Marvel and the Vietnam War

There was a page with a panel about how the Howling Commandos freed a bunch of concentration camps but never got to Max Eisenhardt and his magnetic powers

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So what is the Dragon's Breath and why is it the source of the notVietnam War?

>Vietnam-era
>Army Air Force

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This has been around for decades tho. John Byrne retconned Iron Man's origin to be in the fictional Siencong back in his Iron Man run in the early 90s.

And what year does that take place?
But we got a confirmed canon sliding time scale

>And what year does that take place?
It's kept intentionally vague. Probably around 20 years ago though, and it ended around 13 years ago.

Not sure there's much of a point if it's to just make it not!Vietnam complete with cold war era block struggle. You can make it a fictionnal war but if the context still screams "before the 80s" it's just the same shit.
This is stupid, self-defeating and useless.

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Y’know, I’ve always wondered what’d have happened had Frank rescinded Stark instead of Rhodes. Could've made for a nice What If.

They've retconned the location of Tony's origin story between Vietnam and Afghanistan so many times now that I'm still just gonna refer to it as Vietghanistan.

You're right, it doesn't change much, but that's the point. All they need is the added ambiguity so autists don't screech about "BUT HOW IS IT POSSIBLE" sometime in the future

He'll be from the undefined country that was invaded by undefined soldiers that he was from in the animated series.

But it's still not possible. The cold war ended 30 fucking years ago and shit like proxy wars ended even before that. In 10 years Castle should be 58 at the very youngest so it really doesn't work "in the future". Shoud have gone with some sort of Ambiguoustan. Or hell, even Ambiguousnam would be fine but don't make it about gommies because that's the part that dates it.

But is Magneto still going to be a Holocaust survivor in spite of how increasingly impossible it is to keep that backstory intact?

>In 10 years Castle should be 58 at the very youngest so it really doesn't work "in the future".
4 years in real time = 1 year in comics, this is how it has always worked. He's not going to be 58...

Then just keep it the damn Vietnam war, all it changes is about 2-5 years in your calculation of Marvel time.
>his is how it has always worked
No, it's not, that's why it's a *sliding* timeline. In a few years it's going to be 1=5, then 1=6, unless they retcon every mention of historical events.
They need to pick between sliding timeline and vague enough events that it could be any era. This is trying to have your cake and eat it too, but it fails on both levels.

>In a few years it's going to be 1=5, then 1=6, unless they retcon every mention of historical events.
Well it hasn't, so there goes your theory.
Seems to me you're against the idea of the sliding timescale in principle even though it does make sense, once you apply some math. I don't see anything wrong with any of this.

Are you brain damaged? I'm saying a sliding timeline makes changes like the OP worthless. Either sliding timeline or vague history are fine, both together is stupid and pointless.
And yes it has. Sliding timeline wasn't originally a thing, when F4 debuted it wasn't supposed to take place 5 years after WW2 because that would be retarded.

And if you paid any attention to the world around you, you'd have noticed the whole US vs communist countries thing seems to be starting back up again.

So the only way to explain Magneto is either freeze him like captain american, or time travelling

Ah yes, all those modern proxy open wars between the US and Communists like uh.... and hmmm.

Or actually stick with the sliding timeline shit, which has WW2 happen about 15 years ago.

Retconning Frank for the sliding timescale is like trying to fit a square peg into round hole. Unless you do a period piece, it just doesn't work. Having him be a vet from a made up war in a made up country dilutes the impact even further.

What's this from?

History of the Marvel Universe #2

>US vs communist countries thing seems to be starting back up again.
Cuba & America's détente hasn't been derailed anywhere near that point, POTUS is fawning over North Korea, and the PRC hasn't actually been communist since Deng.

i thought magneto's name was Erik

They retconned it in that dumb Magneto's childhood mini-series like ten years ago.

China is capitalist. It did away with much of its former socialist features in the 80s/90s.

Marvel was always supposed to be Heroes in our world so the people had backgrounds that people could relate to. If they are just going to make up countries, events, and history then you aren't all that much different from DC comics now. You might as well rename New York to Marvelopolis and that way you can just fudge things about the city when it's inconvenient.

Yeah, China's been basically Fascist since the eighties. The CCP is Communist in name only.

Or actually remember that Magneto has been deaged multiple times? It's not his fault people are too goddamn stupid to remember details.

I would say "sounds good. I like when comics make fictional countries," but this sounds and looks like it still takes place in Viet Nam times so what's the point of the retcon?

Let's see..
The US president is a Russian plant.
The US is in a trade war with China
All of Syria
China snatching up territory with artificial islands
The latest grab for african resources
It's admittedly not as violent or as wide a scale, but that shit is believable if the circumstances in the comic with dragon energy being a viable resource to fight over happened.

>Russia
>communist

Eh. It's not like they have new people in charge and it is back to being a dictatorship in everything but name.

Communism isn't the only form of dictatorship.

Russia is just fascist, they exhibit none of the soviet traits beyond Putin being ex-KGB.
Syria and China aren't communist either, Syria is just vaguely socialist if anything.
The only communist country that would be in conflict is North Korea, and it's pretty clear Trump openly admires the guy, he has a thing for strong leaders.

>he has a thing for strong leaders
I think it's more that he has a thing for leaders that say nice things to say about him. And it just so happens that dictators/strong leaders are more than happy to say nice things about Trump because they know it'll be good for them, while leaders of Western democracies are far more critical of him.

Yeah, China and Russia are both fascist these days, but no less dictatorial than they ever were. Just a slightly different flavor of dictatorship. North Korea is more like a monarchy than communist. Though again, the difference is fairly trivial to the man on the ground. True communism has been dead for a generation.

>North Korea is more like a monarchy than communist
It's funny because it's true, and it would be the same case for Cuba if Raúl Castro wasn't too old to lead (not like Díaz Canel is any young, but yeah).

that works

I like this not!Vietnam way better than modernizing it to the middle east.

The whole point of this goofy shit it to recreate the Cold War aspect but with US vs Asian Supervillains instead of US vs USSR.

He got de-aged in the comics, they can always fall back on that