Hey...

its just massively unlikely that they happened to join up later

Was he cucked?

I WAS YOUR SON THE WHOLE TIME BARRY!!!!

>All this shit
Go back and watch the damn episode again.

>voluntarily getting flu shots or vaccines
that's what he gets , wake up sheeple

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>Dude genetic cuckery to force familial relations between characters isn't weird or awkward at all lol
What a cope. The whole thing sounds like the plot of one of these really weird Japanese interactive novels.
Bruce Timm isn't perfect user, remember farting Harley Quinn?

Not the most contrived thing in comics, but pretty up there. I'm still ok with it, always liked Terry even though I prefer Grayson.

wait so did he fuck his wife, or is he the baby? Was he the wife?

>It was later retconned in the DCAU itself so it didn't work like that anymore
When? This was a revelation in "Epilogue". The only DCAU material after that was the final season of JLU and, if you want to count them, two recent DTV movies that have nothing to do with Beyond.

Both

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>Peter explained what happened to MJ, Harry, aunt May, Kaine And Ben and everyone else who knows his identity.
>"So how many are there?" Flash asks.
>"...40. He put my DNA in a sperm bank." Peter answers.

>"40 Tiger? Knowing Norman I expected hundreds."

>not wanting to get cucked by batman
what are you a bunch of fags

Truth be told, I think a lot of the outrage over this revelation was overblown. Throughout the show we see how different Terry is from Bruce (e.g. when Terry chose to provoke Joker instead of attacking him head on like Bruce would), and Waller even gives Terry advice on how to have a better life than Bruce by caring for the people important to him — moments like these showed that Terry was completely unique from Bruce, and that Waller's genetic shenanigans does little to undermine that.

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Do you think they got divorced because both of his ((sons)) came out with black hair? The only issue with that reason is Terry was living with his dad. I don't see why he'd agree to that if he's divorcing over infidelity.

By that point Terry had, what, 15 years of defining his version of batman by his own actions, differentiating himself from Bruce with an ability to love and have a family, and an entire movie about how he’s not Bruce’s Batman?

I don’t see the the issue with him being Bruce’s biological son as a footnote after all Terry accomplished on his own

The whole point of the episode was that you can't make Batman. The failure of it all was to showcase this in its most pure and ultimate form.

Terry choosing to become and stay Batman was even lampshaded as being different, because he didn't do it for revenge like Bruce did, as he later admits to doing it because he wants to help.

This is still the most absolutely retarded thing in the whole DCAU and I try to forget it exists. God, what were they thinking?

>Spend an entire show on Terry's character and how he's completely different from Bruce in his approach to being Batman.
>Take Terry's established backstory and just MAKE HIM BATMAN'S SECRET SON

What a stupid fucking asspull, it cheapens everything that makes Terry cool in the first place. It's fascinating seeing this random street punk mature from amateur superhero into Batman with guidance from Bruce. He makes a lot of legitimately boneheaded mistakes in the first season or two but he eventually comes into his own on the role. Nobody needed Terry to be blood related to make him work as a new Batman. God, what a stupid convoluted reveal, did they ever say which writer came up with this idiotic idea?

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They wanted to make a seperate movie about this with Catwoman trying to replicate Batman like that book where they tried to clone and recreate Hitler but it never happened.

Terry's parents had to be cucked in some way though. He biologically couldnt have had black hair through his parents. When they realized that they redid their idea it for this episode.

his dad had brown hair, red hair is recessive, and so the odds that the kids would have red hair would be pretty slim

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Oh shit youre right Zod cucked Superman's dad in Gods and Monsters

Fucking gross dude

It was probably Timm himself because he clearly has a cucking fetish.

How does it cheapen everything about Terry?

Hes not better because hes Batmans so, not smarter, not anything than he would be if his dad hadn't been killed by the Jokerz.

Hes still the same punkhead that through guidance became Batman.

This twist is here to showcase just how meaningless it was, and how it was all Terry the entire time.

Terry was a failure as an experiment though? He just became batman anyways through chance? I forget. I remember there was a weird twist.

The twist was just that, Bruce is his Dad.

Everything else was all him and blind bad chance.

The show is better off pretending it never happened.

If he was so different what was the point of even doing it? Everyone already knows kids are different from their parents anyways.

>e it implies that only a literal genetic copy (or a direct descendant) could take up the mantle of Batman.
It's the literal fucking opposite conclusion, you asshole. IT END UP THAT IT DOESN'T MATTER. And Terry don't have to be just like Bruce.

Does little, but still undermines. The fact remains that it's a ridiculously contrived plot point that needn't exist and the continuity would be better and the themes stronger if it wasnt.

See:

>Hes not better because hes Batmans son

But since there's no way to prove that someone can make the argument that he's only a good batman because he's got bruce genes. I don't believe this to be true but It'll always be hanging over the characters head for no other reason than a dumb unnecessary twist.

You totally can, this is just meant to be the cherry on Terry being Batmans true successor.

That even with Bruces blood, he'll turn out to have a much better and happier life than the old man did,

If it was meaningless whyd they even do it?

Because thematically, its a very powerful message for kids?

Your blood doesn't decide how your life goes, neither does your parentage, only you do.

because then, there is no story to begin with to make that message.

Same ol thread on Yea Forums.
Phew lads.

Who cares? The episode is about Waller and is amazing.

>Dad was batman
>Son becomes batman
It defeats it's own point right from the start.

>blind bat chance

Wait, this is actually a thing that happened? A guy got his genetic material changed so they would conceive a Batman heir? Hahaha, goddamn it DC.

Because it shows that family is what you make of it and that Bruce ISN'T an egotistical asshole who thinks Gothan needing batman was not based on the continuation of his personal legacy.

It showed that by Amanda's admission that she was mistaken.

Which is then done when Waller tells Terry he doesn't have to be like Bruce, and the mantle of Batman doesn't have to be a curse.

Not to mention, y'know, Terry wasn't forced into the role, its something he chose for ultimately different reasons than Batman.

And the episode ends with Terry finally tying the knot with his girlfriend showing that divergent paths do occur.

The entire point is that Son becoming batman is not the defining end. That Terry can live his own life no matter how contrived and controlled his upbringing was.

but the son is still batman. He's just a happier batman.

Because he choose to become and stay Batman.

That's the big thing man. Choice. Bruce gives him several outs in the series, but Terry still chooses to be Batman because he likes to help others and do something worthwhile with his life.

You fucking idiot. Being batman isn't the point. That's the whole fucking point of the episode.
Being the legacy character is not what defines him. He has other shit going on. He's not crazy old man who escapes hypnosis because he doesn't refer himself by his born name.

There were 2 recent DTV movies that were DCAU continuations?

>The fact remains that it's a ridiculously contrived plot point that needn't exist and the continuity would be better and the themes stronger if it wasnt.
Divorced from the context of this thread, you could be complaining about literally any or every multi-title comic event from Crisis to Civil War II.

If you really don't like contrived, unnecessary plot points, then comics is the wrong medium for you. Unless you just want to bitch about something for the sake of hearing yourself bitch.

Yes because Waller thought there needed to be a Batman, she even hired someone to kill the two parents just to recreate the batrauma.

The twist is that the person she hired was the Phantasm/Andrea, so they ended up staying unkilled

As a kid I remember thinking that this episode's point was that that Terry became batman because he was destined to, but he didn't become a perfect duplicate because only one parent died and too late in life for him to not feel loved growing up. I never thought anything in this episode suggested the way Terry turned out was actually his choice, but rather the opposite; it was his fate to become batman and he's only any different than Bruce because of the random events in his life. If they didn't want that to be the message then the whole "we planned to engineer your life to be like Bruce's, decided against it, but then by astronomically unlikely chances you became batman anyway" aspect really confused things.

>she even hired someone to kill the two parents just to recreate the batrauma.
Hahaha what?! The batwank is so strong, holy shit.

And then the dad still died years later in an unrelated incident.

He didn't choose, his dad got murdered and he had the insanely improbable luck of stumbling upon the actual Batman's hideout just as he was feeling the most vengeful. Had he never met Bruce he probably would've just become some delinquent like Jason would've been.

>then comics is the wrong medium for you
Yeah but this was in a cartoon. Cartoonfags generally don't like when comic stupidity leaks into their stuff

Is this shit why so many people are allergic to shit like peanuts and sesame seeds now?

That's retarded 4d chess on Amanda Waller's part, emphasis on retarded.

Bruce's genetics aren't anything special anyways.
It would have made far more sense to have them inject McGuinnis with a tailor made cocktail to produce an ubermensh Gattaca style.

Waller wanting to reproduce batman via social engineering? A bit of a stretch, but great idea.
Waller puppetting everyone to make the literal son of Batman? Fucking retarded.

QRD?

DCAU comic books count as DCAU continuity.

>Cartoonfags generally don't like when comic stupidity leaks into their stuff
>Cartoonfags
>dont like...stupidity
This just isn't true and even if it was anywhere close to being true, it would just be a case of one shittaste calling another shittaste shit. Just admit that anyone bitching about craziness in comics just enjoys the sound of their own voice.

>No, of course not. That would be pretty crazy.

god that's so dumb and undermines everything I liked about the series.

Terry should be his own person and really his own person, not some fucking son bullshit.

I fucking hate that shit

Revenge is a choice, yes. Terry choose to keep being Batman after the man who killed his Dad was brought to Justice, yes. Bruce told him he doesn't have to be Batman anymore, Terry says he wants to because he likes helping people, yes.

Everything is a choice, the only thing that was chance was their meeting.

no it's more that comic book writers need to move units and write themselves into corners all the fucking time, precisely because they've got this stupid "let's print floppies" mindset that's divorced from the reality of comic distrubtion .

Yeah and the epilogue let us know he chose revenge because he was 50% I AM VENGEANCE all along

>>no it's more that comic book writers need to move units and write themselves into corners
>implying cartoonists are somehow excempt from capitolism
>implying that writers for cartoons and writers for comics aren't hired from the same pool of failed novelists and shiftless English majors
Lol you're so desperate to draw a distinction that simply isn't there. Any difference between the thing you like and the thing you don't is simply bias, you fucking idiot.