Everyone can be Spider-Man

Everyone can be a productive member of society you fucking obsessive retards

Some writers just really want to devalue Peter as a character. Apparently the mask is more important than who's underneath it. Perhaps that's true. No one would care about Miles if he wasn't Spider-Man.

>So if I like a e.g. singer and want to be like them, I should change my name to theirs, dress like them, wear a mask of their face, and sing only their songs? That's the message?

I wouldn't go that far, but they are some singers that would remix and carry their idols legacy.

Bane?

The point is not anyone can literally be spider-man but they can take responsibility in their own life, which is of course anathema to the incels on here who blame everyone else for their problems.

Riddler?

To make Spider-Man even more Everyman.

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How? By implying he'd be a school shooter if not for the powers?

You are too reasonable,why are on /co ?

The fuck you on about?

Was becoming a meme part of your plan?

Nothing implies that in the movie. However Miles, like Lee/Ditko Peter, finds purpose and confidence through becoming Spider-Man.

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Miles doesn't want to be productive, he wants to be a famous hero without all the effort that goes into making a name for yourself

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To make money by repeating the same plot points to cater to idiots?

Not only are you movie-only casuals, you're casuals about the movie you defend so much

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The only superhero who cares about branding is Batman, and he's passed around his mantle like a joint.

3/4 of all Spider-Man are peter parkers

Curt Connors isn't a school shooter by any stretch of the imagination, and neither is that version of Peter.

That's writers being retarded, in real life letting others use your brand name usually requires an extreme vetting process, and even then you don't know how they'll act in the future. Miles acts out once and Peter's persona is done for forever.

Try again casual

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>not reading some shitty 2010s AU makes you a casual
Okay. Still what isn't in the movie isn't in the movie. Nothing in the actual movie implies that Peter went school shooter.

But Peter earned that purpose and confidence. He started from nothing.

Except the scales on his dead body

Peter's cool with it. Don't be a child user, it's not your brand.

It's more being a bitter fuck who gains powers is the first bit of Parker's backstory

That only implies he was The Lizard. You can be the Lizard and not a school shooter. Besides he looks like he's 30, that's a bit old to shoot up a school.

Remember when Marvel was good?

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Didn't Miles start from basically nothing too?

>okay miles before you save the world, you need to sign a couple of contacts in order to get my brand. Remember to say SPIDEY GO before going in and punching kingpin.

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Plenty of bitter fucks don't shoot schools.

No? He had a mentor in Peter, super special unique spider powers and an existing mantle to take up.

It's not my brand but it's my favorite brand, just because some hack writer working with the characters that particular week decides to bring Peter in through some convoluted means in order to give Miles his blessing, doesn't mean it's not hack writing.

That's contradicted in fuckloads of AU before Miles comes around.

Peter had a mentor in Ben, powers that were unique when he got them and I guess no costume.

no, he got everything handed to him because he happened to have the same powers as the guy who died

Anyone can be the hero if they're ready to accept their circumstances and make the choices. It's a simple moral using Spider-Man as the reference.

And you not liking your favorite character being implied to be mortal doesn't make it hack writing.

you're an idiot

Nah, but it does have undertones of it, though Pete chose something less immediately harmful by instead trying to get fortune and validation via stardom

If they didn't explicitly mention how Gwen's backstory in the movie differs from the one in the comics, we can assume they're the same, especially given the evidence. He looks like he's 30 because they reused Peter B's model.

>everything
Not really, no. His actions are his, just because Michael Jordan tells you he likes you doesn't mean you suddenly can join the NBA.

I'm fine with him being mortal, I'm not fine with him handing off his secret hero persona to the first guy that asks, especially when it means less Peter and more someone else.

as an outsider to this conversation til now, user, i'm afraid you might just be retarded.

>ITT : Yea Forums doesn't get or (hopefully) ironically discusses the simplest and oldest capeshit moral

Good argument user.

So your version only makes sense if we ignore that something that is explicitly shown in the movie (that Peter is older than HS age) and make the baseless assumption that it's not significant, while making the assumption that something that isn't in the movie is implied.
I mean, sure.

What about when Nick Fury tells you he likes you, gives you a costume and promises to train you?
And when you get dead Peter Parker's web shooters?
What about when the "main" Peter Parker from a different universe gives you his blessing and shows you the ropes?

The first guy that asks has Spider-Man powers and Peter sees him as a good kid. Nothing wrong with a hero being trustful of the youth.
>less Peter
Doesn't he have 3 or 4 titles right now?

Ben was taught him life lessons, yes, but he didn't teach him how to web swing, or how to fight, or how to use his powers. Peter had to figure those out on his own, had to make his own name, had to make his own costume. Peter started from nothing and grew into Spiderman.

Miles comes out and has super unique spider powers that no other Spiderman has, gets a direct mentor, gets a mantle passed and all that. He didn't remotely earn it.

Read my post again.

The issue isn't not getting it, user. The issue is it doesn't work with what people like about Spiderman.

Has the spider ever biten a bad person instead of a good-doer? Even the "evil" spidermans like assassin spiderman were nice persons before they broke. Has the radioactive spider choose someone that was bad from the start?

Also, why the spider always bites some sort of genious? They never bite dumb or mediocre people.

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I don't think anybody implies Miles is a self-made man, that doesn't mean he doesn't earn it through his actions.

Flashn thompson
Norman osborn

Yes because everyone hated the movie, not just a couple of vocal autists.
>inb4 they liked it despite Miles
No.

Yeah, and people like Iron Boy in the MCU. Doesn't mean it's proper Spiderman.

Huh? Isn't his moral code that he gives himself up to save others? Like that whole of you have power your responsibility lies in using it for the greater good thing.
I don't know what the problem is in admiring that in spiderman and feeling inspired by it.
That doesn't mean everyone literally can be spiderman but everyone can act like spiderman if they think its right

Spider-man isn't an important mantle. At least that's not what made him a good hero at the start. What made him good was Peter Parker. People liked his angle as an underdog, people liked his realistic struggles, people liked his friends, families and enemies.

That's what made Spiderman great. And that's why Miles sucks.

retard

Wasn't it "anyone can be Spider-Man"? Which is obviously quite different than "everyone".

He literally has scales

Superheroes passing the mantle seems like a logical thing to me; Its nothing like actually racelifting a character or some stupid shit like that. It just seems weird because capeshit is static as fuck and heroes are expected to be immortal.

Still doesn't make any sense. The more appropriate hero for the message would be Captain America.

Passing the mantle is not the same thing as assuming someone's mantle after they die without their permission

He did, peter parker literally going to teach him.

I guess one of us is heavily projecting then, because I remember being very impressed by the "power= responsibility" moral, and others too.
Sure people like spiderman but people like many fictional characters, yet they can learn from their abstract morals.
Just because people like spiderquipper doesn't mean they don't care about his morals. He's a good mix of both which makes most capeshit characters popular, not just how they act and live. Miles has only the moral thing going so of course he won't be that appreciated. But to say spiderman can't be a good picture of the hero moral just because most people like his quips and wacky life is a retarded thing to say. If anything his charming relatable life just makes it easier to bring mantle morals in the story

Wouldnt that be what Peter would have wanted? Again if comics werent so static and actually advanced the plot like a normal story instead of rebooting every few years it wouldnt be so much of an issue.

That was tacked on afterwards, the origin of the character has him steal it

oh, its one of these retards

>Peter Parker is the only person allowed to be a do-gooder

Which Peter parker came back to life and gave him permission.

I think Peter would've wanted not to be killed off so some sick writer's fetish can take his place

So they fixed it but you are still complaining?

Like I said, tacked on afterwards

If that's an acceptable fix for you, you might have brain damage

When is a character allowed to die?

Why can't other do-gooders find their own identities like the hundreds of heroes before them have?

Oh it's the Milesfag who thinks calling someone a retard is an argument

It's literally just a backdoor MILES BAD thread.
OP actually thinks someone with equal powers to spiderman who's trying to make the city a better place after his death would make Peter roll in his grave, but OP is the only guy who has a problem with it

Because Miles was bitten by the same type of spider and got the same type of powers Spider-Man has? What was he supposed to call himself, Arachnid Boy? Sounds fucking lame

Why do you assume Peter Parker or anyone for the matter thinks this is problematic?

So all the X-Men should be called X-Man and X-Woman because they got their powers from the X-Gene?

miles would have become some variant spiderman even if peter didn't die because he isn't retard like 99% of Yea Forums

>guy shows up with your exact powerset
>ignore him instead of showing him the ropes

yeah that's completely out of character, cry more

For the same reason Peter isnt allowed to just die. Idiots like you who just must have Spiderman forever.

your faggot argument was debunked within the first 5 posts

Not sure why you're resorting to the opinions of idealized fictional characters, we're talking about the quality of writing in modern comics.

To be spiderman

it's not that anyone can be spiderman, it´s anyone can be a hero.

>Like I said, tacked on afterwards

Its was written by the same guy. Even back in the day, he would says Peter would have accepted miles if he was alive.

They don't all have the same powers, retard.

this.

in the movie he literally would have become spider-boy if peter lived and trained him, ultimates peter would have helped him as well

So why are they all called Spider-Man then

And keeping a character forever doing the same storylines isnt poor quality writing?

>be male
>have spider powers

hmmmmmm

Neither do Peter and Miles

You are resorting to your personal opinion rather than concentrating on what actually fits the source materials writing. The miles plot fits. It has a neat message that fits into the narrative of spiderman. Your reasoning why this is bad hasn't even scratched the level of quality
just say you hate niggers

No, there's no reason a fictional character should ever have to die. Also 1610-Peter was a relatively new character.

That's just comic accurate

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Because calling him arachnoboy or whatever would look like an ironic joke or a bootleg and wouldn't sell and feel like completely retarded writing.
Now close your retarded thread.

They have the same set of powers with Miles having two additional ones.

Listen dude. He got bit by a radioactive spider, can crawl up walls, has spider-sense, and has super strength. Peter offered to train him before he died, then older Peter came along and literally trained him to become Spider-Man, and Aunt May even gave him web shooters.

Who the fuck else was Miles supposed to be

>You are resorting to your personal opinion rather than concentrating on what actually fits the source materials writing.
No I'm not.
>The miles plot fits.
No it doesn't.
>It has a neat message that fits into the narrative of spiderman.
No it doesn't.
>Your reasoning why this is bad hasn't even scratched the level of quality
Yes it has.
>just say you hate niggers
I would've disliked an aryan white boy Peter replacement made in bad faith by an aryan fetishist. I'd say I already dislike Gwen but you'll just say I hate women.

The thing is that you want to make an argument of quality when its not really what you want if you are arguing in favor of characters never dying. Every good story needs to end if you cant accept that then you are effectively clinging to lowbrow schlock.

It's pretty funny how peter was just one good push away from becoming a supervillain

Or how about you don't make a new hero if there's no point to them.

>Who the fuck else was Miles supposed to be
Non-existent.

>no I'm not
Haven't seen one objective argument from you
>no it doesn't
Explain why
>no it doesn't
Explain why

>They have the same set of powers with Miles having two additional ones.
So Steve Rogers should've called himself Black Panther and not Captain America because he has the same powers as T'Challa

This. It's just microdick faggots nitpicking things and not finding any good points

>Explain why
You first

They wanted to bring fresh wind into a dusty outrun story, and + that it seemed like a good way to get more sales and deliver a new moral.

This has literally never been the case in the entire span of human history and literature. Also a character doesn't need to die for their story to end.

>year of our Lord 2019
>55 years since Spider-man was created
>retards still don’t understand the point of the character
Spider-man and Peter Parker have always been a story of an ordinary person being gifted with powers he didn’t specifically ask for and learning the hard way that despite his desires he has a moral obligation to help people with his newfound powers. Peter Parker wasn’t some Chosen One, just a normal guy who was at the wrong/right place at the wrong/right time. Moron.

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holy fuck, no way you are actually this retarded and not trolling

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This post would have you believe Spider-Man's story and character are outdated and unpopular. Since the exact opposite is true, it's best to ignore it.

>the miles plot fits
>It has a neat message that fits into the narrative of spiderman.
Spiderman has always been a hero of moral and an average relatable guy for all his fans. It only makes sense to bring his moral of helping where its needed into a mantle story with the message that everyone can do good. "In the name of spiderman" is just a metaphor embodied by the miles plot.
To use the argument that spinoff characters in general are bad seems to be just a personal opinion.

Bringing in a new character to tell the exact same story another character already told is objectively bad writing.

Which mantle did spiderman pick up and through that learned the lesson that everyone can do good?

This cracks me up every fucking time

Like three or four of them are alternate versions of Peter Parker. 99% of the Spider-People involved with the Spider-Verse stuff in the comics are also Peter Parkers. And the ones who aren't usually have some kind of connection to him, so either way he's still at the center of the Web of Spider-Man.

The only similarity is that both get bitten by spiders

Spider gadgets

If anyone can be Spider-Man, aren't there some fucking callous monsters with total disregard for all people below them out there with spider powers out there?

If you hate miles so much, why you guys gave him so much attention, instead of making black heroes thread that you like.

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When has ignoring problems ever worked?

A lot of times

Many heroes die off because they were avoided.

Miles was avoided, he sold and still sells like shit.

/copol/ is so stupid, I'd buy and/or read runs they hate from the get-go just to complain about them

Spider-Man became successful because he was the Everyman hero, the entire argument is that introducing a mantle to tell that same story is bad writing

You can still keep on doing it, idiot.

No wonder you like characters made in bad faith

So you agree ignoring problems does nothing.

Having him being unable to be a mantle hero even if there were youngsters with his powers just implies he's exceptional and not an everyman. See it only makes sense for his arc to take this direction.

That'd be like saying he's not an Everyman hero because others don't have spider-powers

No, you think you need to laid off the miles morale topics.

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What is bad faith about a junior mantle character?

Usually, nothing, but Miles and Gwen are not usual mantle characters

No
Saying no one, not even someone with the exact same powers, can do good in the name of spiderman is pretty much saying that only Peter Parker is entitled to do it. And that he isnt a symbol or a hero but a protected brand.

Remember the funeral scene where everyone gathered, and MJ said to the congregation that everyone there could be Spider-Man and one of the guys points out to Miles that she's speaking metaphorically?

They're not literally saying "Go out, get bitten by a spider, and start swinging on webs." That just happened to be what Miles went through.

They are no different to batgirl, superboy, spiderwoman, supergirl, nightwing (who literally did what miles did) and many more
Why are they exceptions?

Not everybody can be Spiderman, the person must be choosed by the Spider-Totem

Saying the only way to do good in the name of Spider-Man is by getting his powers, dressing up as him, and calling yourself the same is even more retarded.

Anyone can be Spider-Man*

*as long as you're bitten by a spider and pushed heavily by the gods that control your life to take over the spider-man brand for a small return on diversity points

That's just a very obvious metaphor my autistic friend.
It gets even more obvious when the civilians put on the masks at the end of the miles movie.
What I'm also trying to say by it is that saying someone with the exact same powers can't take on the mantle is retarded as well

>thinking race thing was anything but a side gimmick

Miles is redundant for the point being made

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>Yea Forums missing the point of Spider-Man
I'm conflicted between feeling shocked and not at all surprised

Would've unironically improved the movie

Just admit you don't like black people already

Just admit you don't have an argument

Retard

Get better material

You're missing the point; it isn't specifically about Spider-Man as a brand, it is about what that represents.
Spider-Man is the quintessential "everyman" hero. He wasn't chosen by gods or born into royalty, his powers were an accident and he had to learn from his mistakes to become a hero. The movie shows us how this narrative and moral core can exist in various permutations throughout various circumstances.
The Spider-Man "brand" is a surface level element that symbolizes how they all learned the lessons, and became a hero in the spirit of the original.

All I know is that it's not easy being or becoming Spider-Man when there aren't radioactive spiders just crawling around mid-Missouri.

It's all brown recluses up in this bitch.
And their bites hurt like several mother-fuckers.

By that point every spinoff character is my man.
But as I said, he's a metaphor, at least in the movie

If anything the movie dilutes the point by saying you NEED the powers and the costume and the name to be Spider-Man

That's a very subjective argument. He has his own point to exist.
Do you not get metaphors? Do you also think fables are literal?

>He wouldnt be treated as the fucking hero on whose back the entirety of civilization was built upon

This comic is bad and you should feel bad

Why is Wally popular for usurping his mentor's mantle after death yet everyone hates Miles for doing the exact same thing?

Two reasons: Wally was around before Barry died, and Wally was white. Depending on who you ask, one of these reasons is a lot more important than the other.

Into the Spider-Verse and Spider-Man PS4 both do it right by establishing Miles as a character on his own, and THEN having the spider bite him after we've already made the connection with him while also giving him a significant connection and bond with Peter before Miles himself officially becomes Spider-Man.

For most of Spider-Verse, Miles is just Peter B's sidekick and apprentice, and the PS4 game does the same thing.

So the real problem with Miles in his original comics may have been the rushed way it was done?

It was back in the eighties and fans aren't vocal back in the day.

This and only this.

Wally wasn't made in bad faith by a ginger fetishist

>everyone bitches about Miles being Spider-Man
>no one blinks an eye at the loli or talking pig
Really makes you think.

>"The Spider-Man "brand" is a surface level element"
>but they strictly and extensively only use that brand because otherwise no one would care about the characters
Big think

They use the brand because retards like you instantly pay attention to anything with spider- in the title, ready to sperg our in free advertising.

“The brand” is the most surface level element possible in universe

What game?

There’s a static thread going on right now. Miles just gets more support from editorial than characters created by black people so there’s more to talk about with him. Fuck the little Boggs is getting a 250th issue next month because he directly stole 2/3rds of his numbering from peter even though we’ll over 150 of those issues have no bearing on the plot of the book

The funniest thing is you’ve listed characters with decades of their own history. And are you actually trying to compare dick Greyson taking up the mantle of Batman almost 70 years after both of their creations to miles a character thought up DURING bendis writing the death of peter Parker because Donald Glover never heard of static?

Are you talking about movie Miles? Because he was blatantly unhappy about getting powers in the first place, motivated to use them by the death of Peter, and spends the whole film staying out of the public eye until the point where he catches Kingpin.

>always liked gwen more than mj
>gwen is sexy as fuck when she dons the costume and does hero stuff
I never expected nor really asked for this, but I am pleasantly surprised anyway.

How old are you?