How can such a tremendous level of artistry and effort amount to such a bland and instantly forgettable result...

Paranorman isn't really that great 2bh. The concept had lots of potential but the movie feels like a short film spread to feature length.

Easy, Neil Gaiman did the most of the hard work for them with Coraline. Namely, the writing.

Its no Coraline but its still pretty fucking good all aside. I like a movie that doesn't treat its audience like idiots.

They should have adapted Graveyard Book; seems right up their alley. I'd love to see them try some Discworld as well

>they wouldn't be in such financial straights
They're not in any sort of financial straights, the guy who runs Laika is rich as fuck.

His father is rich and you don't know how long he let his son waste his money on bad stop motion movies

they need to hire people who can actually write good stories

He let him waste money on this:

youtu.be/McWU6N_PdV4

You know, Richard Williams' death got me thinking about the patronage model for funding art. The sort of work Williams wanted to make was so labour intensive and inefficient that I think getting some cashed up patron may be the only way to get works like that made in the future. Starving artists may have drive but they just don't have the resources to do things like The Thief and the Cobbler, you know?

Paranorman was pretty bad m8.

Well, animation (if done right) is an special case. It's like the hard mode of filmmaking

Nah, it wasn't bad. But I think Yea Forums only likes it because of the waifus

I liked the characters but I never saw the villains at threatening.
Also the yeti stuff was pretty disappointing.

waifus? There are only two girls, one is only liked for the THICC, and the other barely has any screentime so is mostly forgotten

it just boils down to bad writing the reason Caroline worked was because it had good writers but for some reason nearly all their other movies were written by Chris Butler

>the other barely has any screentime
When has that ever stopped Yea Forums?

does it get any better after the trailer? i was immediately put off by it.

Drop the creatura in the middle and you've improved the movie already.

Isn't this the other way round? Commercialization is what kills fresh artistic vision because it turns the artist into a factory worker who has to provide a product of specific parameters each time. How is cranking out mediocre movies or furry porn commissions the peak of artistic accomplishment? It keeps you fed, sure, but you're whoring out your integrity. Excellent artists often were poor businessmen who died in poverty and their genius acknowledged long after their death.
Patronage is a superb way of creating fine art. A skilled individual funded and supervised by an educated, refined patrician is most likely to provide a masterpiece for the ages. Too bad the wealthy of today find little value in such spiritual matters and would rather spend their cash on yachts and cocaine.

Do you know when artist stops trying?

When he opens patreon, they treat it as tip jars.

It's odd how we usually hold on to extremes when discussing this kind of thing. It's more about the nature of the people involved than about their roles in the creation "model".

It's very fashionable to rip on Disney as a soulless corporation created by a born businessman for example, but the fact is that the entire medium of animation was developed in a -by all accounts- record time because WD's vision AND business ambition: both the former and the latter were essential. If a ludicrously rich person had simply gave money out of the ass to a bunch of artists it would have taken decades longer to get at the same point (if ever). It's not enough to just trust and put in the money; the person driving the effort has to know (or rather, feel) where everything is going, and leverage the individual talents and drives of the people involved, specially when they are stupid ego machines like the average artist. Artists make poor businessmen because failure hits them on a personal level; a good businessman, even one gifted with actual vision and insight on his field, is a gambler.

Honestly, the modern forms of patronage are an extremely inefficient way of advancing culture and artistic creation: often directionless, wasteful and largely masturbatory. Specially if you consider the chances of an "educated refined patrician" actually being the profile of the average patron of the arts.

After he lost his other son to that scuba diving accident, he’ll let Travis play with puppets as much as he wants.

That's the idea. Rich people used to strive for becoming the cultural elite, they learned their sciences and humanities to be able to recognize true quality. They had a personal relationship with the artist, provided mentorship and resources, gave room for experimentation but ran a tight ship when necessary. The work didn't have to be bastardized to sell, however, because the relationship wasn't commercial in nature. It could mature to perfection.
That's the biggest problem with this arrangement, though. It requires exceptional people to be capable of great sacrifices. It takes character to refuse temporary wealth and popularity in favor of making something remarkable. You can probably provide names of various outstanding movies or series which just didn't do so well but are now regarded as classics. It is indeed a gamble - for miracles to happen businessmen have to stop playing it safe from time to time.

Kubo was decent but cliche. After Caroline and Paranorman one would expect something bolder, but then one remembers that the preceding film was fucking Box Trolls. I liked Missing Link but the script feels like they obtained it by ransacking the Aardman Animation studio, or wanted to prove that they could make a light-hearted comedy-adventure. It's very uncharacteristic of Laika to make a film like this one.

This is why I think that the current crowdfunding market is still incomplete, they are still operating on subscription and basic assurance contract models that simply give money to the creative with little to no accountability or oversight. The dominant assurance contract model; on the other hand, features an entrepreneur who profits if the project succeeds and is accountable to contributors if it does not, so at least the incentives are there.

mason.gmu.edu/~atabarro/PrivateProvision.pdf

>I'd love to see them try some Discworld as well
I had never considered this but Laiki-quality stop-motion is probably the greatest (and perhaps only?) way to do Discworld justice in film.

Fans of old school globetrotting adventures.

They need a writer. They need good stories that match their style and talents.

Laika should have adapted I Kill Giants, instead of the crap movie we got.

As someone who's a fan of Disney's Atlantis and the SEA organization from the parks, I thought it was fun. Not a great movie, but I liked it better then Boxtrolls.

Coraline: Good
Paranorman: Good
Boxtrolls: Well they can't all be winners
Kubo: Good
Missing Link: I have no idea because like most people I didn't see it because... honestly it didn't look very appealing. I think I was turned away by the Missing Link's design, desu.

Disney is currently sitting on the rights to Graveyard Book after they were thinking about doing a stop-motion adaptation by Selick only to immediately cancel it and Shadow King when Frankenweenie flopped.

If I had hundreds of millions of dollars to waste on animation, I would at least try to make something on the level of live-action films: good stories, refined acting and dialogue, mature content, etc. I wouldn’t do the same stuff Disney, Pixar, DreamWorks, etc are doing but with puppets.

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>good stories, refined acting and dialogue, mature content, etc.
>current live-action films

Weak bait, dude, no (you)s 4u...

>m8
Please kill yourself.

We haven't really figured out a way to get this to scale to large teams. It's one thing to feed an eccentric artist, another thing to support a large organization of them.
Like, occasionally a studio type will keep a film or tv show in production because they really like it, but that's pretty rare, is super inconsistent, and depends on the product only falling a little bit short of being profitable already.

Kubo was all flash, water substance. Ironic for a movie about storytelling.

Should I watch it?
I only saw Coraline because I read the book in middleschool and thought it was shit but I liked the film and Paranorman because I like movies about psychics (especially male psychics, there's not a lot of those).

>I only watch mainstream Hollywood movies

Not him, but I don't know of any animated feature to parallel Blade Runner in subject matter, tone, and execution.

That Laika dude should use his millions on something people WANT TO SEE, something with BALLS. Why not fund this movie?

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Disney Fox is doing The Goon movie.

Diminishing returns. After a certain point, the effort you put into something isn't going to create a significantly better product than if you had taken X amount of shortcuts.
Like, I spent years developing the greatest grilled cheese sandwich imaginable and ended up with a masterpiece made from fried onion compound butter and home-processed cheese. It was the greatest fucking grilled cheese sammy ever made by man. Problem is it took about 45 minutes to make and wasn't THAT much better than a grilled muenster with hot sauce that takes 5 minutes.
Laika is a grilled cheese that takes 45 minutes to make. Shit like Dreamworks or Blue Sky doesn't look AS good, but if the writing was the same you wouldn't really care all that much.

Thanks for not answering my question 4 hours later

>Disney Fox is doing The Goon movie.
Nah, they’re most likely going to drop it. Too risky for Mickey to make adult cartoons.

Holy shit you are a faggot.