What the fuck was his problem? The explanation made no sense, was he just insane?

He was being gaslighted.

I think the idea was that they'd basically kill one another? I mean they were both torn apart pretty bad by the oval office fight to the point some guys with .50 cals crippled him further and let Butcher crowbar his brain pan.

That's the point Voight is run by complete dumbasses who's entire product is not only defective but actively harmful. The sad thing is Homelander/Noir are actually pretty fucking weak since a barrage of 50 cals can fuck him up (even if he was severely injured at the time)

Nobody says "based" except for three autists on this board who think it's cool.

>fucking random chicks and leaving them up the After re reading the boys I'm pretty sure it was Noir that raped Butcher's wife now

>like fucking random chicks and leaving them up the duff like Butcher's wife.
That was Black Noir too. the worst he did before he saw the pic was messing up 9/11.

and Black Noir gave no fucks. He wanted Homelander to go nuts so he could kill him. It was stated that was his entire mentality and he only shadowed him because he was told that was what he had to do. Except the time he thumbed an anus for the lulz.

moreover there's the whole "they look identical" thing that's kind of a problem too...

really it's kind of one of the bad parts of the whole series... the whole corporate messaging thing.. would've been better if there were more companies around doing superhero shit.. like if G-men was a competing franchise...

He honestly seems somewhat mentally deficient, with all the silence, acting retarded and shooting bullets from the plane, and the heeeeehns and weird speech pattern once he reveals his deal.

Black Noir was the one that raped Butcher's wife, the worst thing that Homelander did was fucking up on 9/11.

I hope this is what the show does. Market research and focusing on trend would see other companies trying their own superhero teams.

I think the worst thing is that they openly show that there are tech based heroes so it's not like V was the only way into the market. The V powered heroes being Vought only due to their marketing and legal stuff makes sense but the TekKnight guy was just some guy in a suit that was a big enough hero that he was being considered for the Seven. That means there should have been more than a few of them around and a competing company of only Iron Men style guys who were ultra competent but getting corporate sabotage by Vought so they could sell their heroes to the military would have been a great theme. But then it's The Boys and anyone bar Butcher's group being competent would have been too hard to write.
Got to have that plucky ex-squaddie beating Superman thing in an Ennis comic.

Black Noir only had strength and invulnerability. That makes him far easier to deal with than a guy who can melt tanks from two miles up the sky by looking at them.
He was less powerful than the Homelander in that sense. He may have been much less strong strength wise anyway, since Homelander took off his limbs with his heat vision. The whole idea of using him to deal with the Homelander was that he could get close to him and stab the cunt in the back. And if he survives, Maeve alone could deal with him presumably - and since he can't fly or do range attacks, so could a couple of mercs with DU ammo.

>Homelander/Noir are actually pretty fucking weak since a barrage of 50 cals can fuck him up

They were using depleted uranium armour piercing rounds and had multiple platoons plus some tanks shooting at him at the same time. That's not just a random barrage from some guns, that's a Normandy's worth of bullet hail using ammo tailored specifically to penetrate his skin.

AND HE WAS STILL WALKING afterwards, Butcher had to go close and do a fatality on him.

what has the show done with black noir?

I don't think the same twist would work

Nothing yet aside from him kicking The Female's ass in a fight. He's just sorta there at meetings otherwise. It seems to be going in a seperate tangent as well since the ending of the season never happened in the comics and there's still no super powers for Butcher's crew aside from The Female.

I kinda hope they go a different route with Noir.

Maybe even make his identity a red herring of his comic origins or something.

Babies are delicious.

Ironically, Homelander inadvertently wound up saving the world by mortally wounding Black Noir in their final fight. Sure he got killed in the process but who knows how much of a threat a legitimately batshit insane Black Noir, who is literally Homelander but even stronger, could've posed to the world?

The Black Noir plotwist sucks because it doesn't really enhance the story in any meaningful way. Seriously what does this reveal change? Homelander is still a bastard even if not he isn't responsible for Butcher's wife, and its already been well established that that Vought is run deranged nutjobs.

I guess this reveal could have given Homelander character depth, but he is killed off moments later so its a moot point. All the Black Noir reveal does is rob us of a climatic fight between Butcher and Homelander, and make the main villain a one-dimensional character that the audience has no investment in.

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it wont work, homelander already went off the rails with downing the first plane on purpose and creating super villains. Noir should have activated a while ago

so I guess I'm wondering what should Nior's identity be?

do you think they'll up the batman references and have him be Teknight? (IE obsessed with fucking things)

It fixes a couple of holes in the story, primarily the one where if Homelander was really that fucking psycho evil why wouldn't he have gone full fascist coup way earlier

But he killed the homelander, he's clearly stronger than him and there would be no point to him if he wasn't stronger since being a homelander-killer was his whole reason.

Thats the point in the comics, Homelander was never really that fucking psycho evil. He was a fuck up. A very powerful and apathetic fuck up. The plane thing was caused by going in without a plan, training or contingencies.

In the tv, its set up for the coup now. Homelander's handler/lover/mommy figure is dead, there's no checks on him and he's lost confidence in Vought. Up until he learned abiut his bastard he was serving the corporation's interests, even when creating the supervillains. He'll wonder why the fuck serve the meatbags anymore.

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>a climatic fight between Butcher and Homelander,
That would be glorified capeshit as fuck, and agaisnt everything this comic is about. Yea Forums would still be bitching about it to this day.

>would've been better if there were more companies around doing superhero shit.
the ussr had those russian supes like love sausage.

>That would be glorified capeshit as fuck, and agaisnt everything this comic is about
you mean like the fight against the nazi dude?

The amazon series is so fucking awful, dumb changes made by no reason and worst of all Hughie is an unlikable amerimutt instead of an affable scotish lad

That'd bring him to about the same level of moral reprehensibility as your average Hollywood personality or presidential candidate, not really enough to justify siccing Black Noir on him.

>amerimutt
you've been too much on /int/.

Yeah. Yeah. I think I'm done here. Goodbye all and enjoy the comics and show, I'm gonna call it quits here

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did this happen in the show?

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why does billy always look so funny in the comics.

look at him.

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Basically dangling his purpose / ultimate desire right in front of him yet he is not allowed to act upon it unless certain conditions are met

Those conditions weren't happening so he made them happen.

In case it wasn't obvious, VA were hilariously incompetent and short sighted. They were just REALLLLLLY good at the legal and connections game.

Which he only did after Black Noir's gaslighting had successfully convinced him that he was crazy.

No, they gave him a heart attack instead.

they already mentioned teknight I believe so he can't be him

The point is that he was already fucked up but BN didn't act on him until the very end.

That doesn't really mean much. Vought only sicced black noir on him when homelander and co went full genocide mode. Basically when the public learns of "his" atrocities is when Vought says they've had enough.

When did they say he wasn't fucked up? He was always fucked up but was always smart enough to keep it behind closed doors and subdue himself from going stir-crazy. He even gets pissed at A-Train for trying to outright rape Starlight and beat the shit over him for it because of the potential bad PR it would've caused. He only goes from morally reprehensible asshole to outright supervillain because Black Noir pushed him over.

Better question. Would you take Starlight back after seeing her suck off the seven?

this, comic homelander cares alot more about "the money" and keeping up appearances.

Why'd they give him an overbite? Isn't he supposed to be a perfect american Adonis?

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Doing stuff behind the scenes was against Vought too though. Sure he might think it benefited them but it was reckless

did anyone read herogasm?

>Doing stuff behind the scenes was against Vought too though.
Like they give a shit. All that matters is public perception. It's not like they told people that Homelander murdered his mom and the doctors that gave birth to him. Or the fact that he and his superhero buddies rape women when they feel like it. Or that they fucked up 9/11 and made it worse than it was gonna be. etc.

Well is it really murder? He was just a baby after all.

Black Noir was stated to be a clone of homelander except stronger so that he could be kept in check. So he most definetely had all of his powers and more, after all, he beat him.

based

He really does look like simon peg. Seeing him not do his english accent was really weird.

>He really does look like simon peg
He was modeled after him and in fact Simon himself said he would have played him in a live action adaptation had he been younger.

I know but I never really noticed until I read that and then it suddenly became blindingly obvious.

and billy is modeled after jay fucking leno apparently. look at that chin.

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how is it not sketchy af that all of a sudden supervillians appear and Vought is the only one that can take care of it? Letting V loose as well to the point some senator found out about it does affect public perception

What were you doing in this thread, that's the first like 5 pages of the comic and the beginning of the show

>how is it not sketchy af that all of a sudden supervillians appear and Vought is the only one that can take care of it
kinda? I mean, it's more so the US army than vought themselves iirc. also this is a cynical as fuck caricature world since vought goes right back into superheroes after nearly all of them went rogue like nothing happened. admittedly though Stillwell realizes that the new supes are dogshit and shows the first glance of real emotion he's ever had, at the very last chapter of the comic.

Wait you're talking about the planned supervillains before the end of the story when the real supervillains appear? The thing is that the whole superhero thing is part of an in-universe comic book plot, and that's the face that people see, more so than Vought handling things. The planned supervillains are handled by the superheroes in the public's eye, there's nothing sketchy about that.

Black Noir participated in that, so he was probably fine with it.

He was sexually exploitative, but claims that he never outright raped anyone, and he was probably telling the truth, going by his reaction to the Black Noir photographs.

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the supervillians weren't planned by Vought. There weren't any supervillians pre homelander taking things into his own hands

>He was sexually exploitative, but claims that he never outright raped anyone, and he was probably telling the truth
He raped the girl, that's crystal clear.

That idiot is still talking about the peepeepoopoo show. He doesnt know dick about comicbook's plot and Stillwell's role in it.

>going by his reaction to the Black Noir photographs.
I'm pretty fucking sure he was more shocked at everything else in those photos that wasn't just casually having sex with a girl against her will.

Oh that explains it.
??
bro are you talking about the comics or the show?

Is poopooman in the show?

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They mention in thhe first episode that he's retired (or left for other reasons, dont quite remember) and that's why theyre auditioning Starlight. And Butcher&co might have had something to do with it as per comics. But nothing is actually said. Perhaps a second season reveal using Mallery for more backstory stuff?

show man, the differences why noir isn't activated yet

well, this post and the convo preceding it were talking about the comic.

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Wait so he wasn't even thinking about the photos when he raped her?

In some panels, Billy and Homelander looks like the same person with different hair dye.

The only rape in the photos was "him" skullfucking someone. I don't think homelander skullfucked anyone because of that.

This reminds me of how they never actually did anything with the resurrection thing.

The only thing resurrection does is give you poopoomen. They resurrected another dude in a different hero squad and he was braindead too.

Maeve’s son

remind me.

He skullfucked Vic the Veep.

The Teenage Kix guy that Hughie killed with a fist through his chest. He was Legend and QM's son

wait he was maeve's? I knew he was Legend's

oh you were talking about the guy I was referring to, thought you were talking about a 3rd resurrection.

Blarny Cock from the Teen Kix

Well yeah that was after he had lost his mind. The point is that even prior to acting out the photos, he was already a rapist without skullfucking kinks.

yeah, Mallory and later Butcher mention it.

yeah Mallory straight up says that Blarney Cock was Maeve and Legend's kid

It was insanely expensive to get TekKnight tier stuff. He's Bruce and Tony combined. Even Swingwing walked to save on fuel once he was on his own.

There were heroes not managed by Vought like the russian ones.

I'm more concerned about who cuts his hair to look exactly like Homelander's.

and how he managed to make it stay the same despite wearing a skin-tight mask seconds prior.

Black Noir had to wait for the go word. Either the coup contingency was already there or once Homelander went through with his plan, the kill order was given.

It doesn't matter as Noir's plan was just to be able to kill Homelander.

Garth Ennis

Wasn't Nubia also resurrected? Or did she only go vegetable due to Silver's powers?

Anti-tank rifle?
Physics still work.

Ennis read Watchmen and liked the subplot about Ozymandias gaslighting Manhattan into thinking he was giving everyone cancer, so he tried to do his own version here

He failed

He's definitely an asshole but he comes across as being halfway decent here.

Unequivocally based

...

Yes, I know. Like I said, Ennis tried his hand at his own version of 'gaslighting Superman' and failed to make it good

I don't think he had flight and laser powers, he was just stronger and more invulnerable.

What girl?

I think the same. The fight starts and Homelander goes straight with the eyelaser, whole Black Noir just dodges and rips his jaw off with a punch. He is superior at combat and enduring magic but probably lacks the other powers.

No you're right.She was rezzed

Nothing that kicked ass in the comics happened in the show, and what few things did happen were completely nurtured

Why do you think its not good?

> we do'nt know what we will do if he stop obeying us and go rogue
Homelander and Black Noir pretty much destroyed eachother, in the case of Black Noir they only needed a few bullets to finally put him down.

Bad product.

I really felt bad for Homelander after reading M.M.'s description of Black Noir's relationship with him. How Homelander actually liked Black Noir because he was someone he could always depend on being there for him. And how they did Chad things together.

based

I just assumed it was there to be some backhanded joke about how superhero comics constantly revive dead characters.

It was.

I wonder. There's virtually no chance that Homelander wasn't gonna turn out a cunt. But if Noir is the one who raped Butcher's wife, an event Homelander doesn't recall or feel remorse for, I gotta wonder if he even WAS doing all that much fucked up shit before those pictures surfaced. Like maybe he fucked around like a fratboy, maybe he was woefully underprepared for 9/11, maybe he was just a general asshole behind the curtain, but I wonder if he actually took his role as a role model and American symbol seriously before those pictures surfaced. I mean once you have irrefutable proof that you murdered women and ate babies, it makes sense that you'd say "well shit maybe I am just fucked up" and just lean into it. Not to mention how hard Homelander used to take things like killing people, crying and being afraid of things getting out of hand. I mean maybe he would've asked for a promotion blowjob from Starlight since The 7 are basically just a "boys club" but he might not've been just going around raping women like Butcher's wife at all because he knew he could get in trouble. In that vein it almost makes it so that HomeLander wasn't the only person that Black Noir manipulated. Everything Butcher stood for, his entire reason for hating Supes and Homelander specifically was just some crazy asshole's scheme to drive his double crazy.

That was probably deliberate; he was created for a sole purpose after all and making him too smart could just lead in him deciding to team up with Homelander instead.

If anything it strengthen Billy's resolve to kill all supers.
If Homelander wasnt involved, and it was a another super, the plan to keep killing anyone with compound V sounds logical in the mind of a mad man.

You know Freiza does this on the regular when at his Galactic prince...lair.

I don't think Freeza has a dick. I mean I don't know HOW his species reproduces. He probably gets pampered by his thicc old hand maiden BerryBlue

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He has a long thicc tail he could suggest leaders of conquered city/planets to suck in front of their subjects.

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Go back to red.dit

He was a halfway decent dude at least publically for a while, or at least as decent as someone who basically thinks of Stillwell and Vought as a father could ever be. The whole 9/11 and BN gaslighting him fucked him up.

Give him an imperfection to make him seem more relatable to the common man
You have to think in marketing terms and ideas user

Wasn't it implied that Black Noir being an identical twin was unintentional and that it just happened from fucking with Stormfront's DNA?

>"Is that a dickhole in the back?"
>"Well, you know how it is."

Interestingly, Nubia was different than Lamplighter and Blarney Cock. She didn't seem retarded, she spoke clearly, and she had just enough self-awareness to realize what had happened to her and that she wanted to die.

people used to do that thing where they introduce animals to get rid of pests but they become an even bigger problem
at least with this they lucked out and both of them died

The thing about Homelander was his as an abusive prick and narcissistic asshole, but people have a hard time realizing he wasn't an actual psychopath. There was some amount of humanity in there, which is why he went insane when all the shit began piling up and he had to reconcile the fact that he thought he wasn't that bad but there was all this evidence that he was.

Even super assholes, that aren't completely fucked in the head here to be clear, have some basic amount of humanity in them. They may cross lines, but only by convincing themselves that it wasn't actually crossing the line. Like he does here with how he justifies making Starlight give him a blowjob. Sure, it's not catch them in an alleyway, tying up your daughter kind of rape, but you'd be hard pressed to argue throwing your professional weight around to convince a girl you have on your super secret HQ brought there under the impression she's being offered a legit job opportunity doesn't cross lines. Yes, I wouldn't throw this around as a hardline principle, but it's these sorts of grey areas that are the reason we have courts, to sort out the legal implications of things.

Point being, Homelander is able to convince himself coercing people into sex is one thing, but has also been led to believe he's done a lot worse. He still has a moral code, if flexible, that he believes he can live by. So this nags at his conscience and he spends pretty much the whole comic trying to reconcile it. Ultimately he decides the only way to reconcile this is to just embrace the belief that he is that bad and begin talking himself around to things that justify it, as seen here . His entire coup attempt is just him trying to play the part he believes he's already been playing, in order to keep himself from going mad over the idea that he's actually a super evil person. Remember, it wasn't just rape, there were images of him eating fucking babies.

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He was about to say he never forced himself on anyone but then he remembered seeing the photos of Black Noir impersonating him, literally eating babies and raping people to pieces, so he stops himself because he believes it was he who murdercocked innocent people.

i wonder what it would be like if supervillains existed in the setting

the heroes are so awful, but actually keep everyone safe instead of just being corporate propaganda

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Where The Boys really abandons reality is the idea that there'd be people out committing violent crimes/physical thefts in a world where superhumans have an open license to fuck you up with little/no regard for basic legal rights.

>Except the time he thumbed an anus for the lulz.
What was that about anyway?
They were alone in the sewers and Noir decides to just ram his super thumb far up the guy’s ass and just leave him there?

it also abandons reality in that israel isn't doing anything about VA unless they're being paid off by having them grow them a personal squadron semitic to protect their borders

I would've liked a decent sendoff to Homelander. Just a panel of them about to fight then cutting to Noir dragging Homelander's half torso around just felt like wasted potential.

HEEEEENNNNHHHHHHH

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I’ve been wondering, that Heeeehn he does, what would it sound like irl? Is it a laugh? Heavy breathing?

>implying Israel wouldn’t fund that shit to fuck with the goyim

>Black Noir just dodges and rips his jaw off with a punch
jesus, poor homelander

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like a Peter Lorre impression.

I always heard Peter Griffin's laugh.

You sound like a rapist.

That makes sense. Completely different from what I had in mind.

Ahh this is what I had in mind, but continuous Eeeee instead of broken.

I kind of imagined it like a drawn out version of Beavis' laugh.

I think what people missed was that Black Noir actually died in 9/11, and gets revived with that Vought technique. Of course, his original goals got wiped with the death, so Vought just re-programmed their Homelander zombie clone and thought 'eh, good enough' and left him to his own devices.
So yeah, whether Black Noir was nuts before 9/11 or not is moot, he's definitely nuts enough afterwards.

He wouldn't have been as useful if he had been rezzed. None of the others shown were capable of the shit Noir did

>I DID THINGS
>LOVELY THINGS I ENJOYED SO MUCH

The dude's fucking insane. That's what it was about.

Black Noir survived the fall completely unharmed, just nobody knew how because they didn't know he was a homelander 2.0. Also when his jet exploded and he walked out covered in flames completely unharmed.

I really dont get it why Black Noir was there during 9/11. Maeve said he was supposed to be the pilot to take over the plane, but later on it turns out Black Noir has no idea how to use an aircraft and that everyone but general audience knows that. And the Noir Jet was for selling toys.

Well of course this was the best rez Vought had ever done, Lamplighter was a test run. Couldn't have their watchmen's watch man broken, couldn't they?

When his jet sploded he was already rezzed and maybe jacked up with new V stuff Vought developed or something.

BN was supposed to keep watch for Homelander going apeshit, so he's in the team. And supers being the idiots they were on the comic, of course they have to bring the team together. And maybe the pilot persona the corp's been marketing had been taken seriously by the other members of the team.
They drank their own kool-aid.

So is the concept of manufacturing thousands of nuclear warheads, when it's guaranteed that a few across a multi-national exchange would do us all in. But they still fucking did it.

Black Noir was grown from a fetus the same way as Homelander except pumped up even more, he has every ability Homelander does (hence his rape baby having flight and laser vision when it killed Butcher's wife) he's just not allowed to use them until he has to kill Homey.

I think the plane incident happened before lamplighters death

Which plane? 9/11 or Black Noir's plane training gone wrong? Because I remember Black Noir getting his new plane order cancelled by Vought was way after Starlight joined, which is after Lamplighter's death.

9/11

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can we all admit that Top 10 and Marshal Law dealt with the similar themes much earlier with more substance, nuance and grace – and that the Boys is a pale hack job imitation built for tv cash grab at best

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I like that her mouth is open when she speaks, unlike in The Boys where every characters facial expression does not match their dialogue at all.
I like the idea of the Boys but the art is such a turnoff

Yet inbetween 2 pages offscreen. He kills homelander rather fast

that isn't her speaking, but yes, the Boys is hideous tasteless drivel, you're right there

What, is Reddit filtered?

>not enjoying edge played so straight it becomes a parody of edge

Ah yeah, so Noir was the first to get rezzed, then Lamplighter.
No wonder he's loopy.

He didnt die.

They probably should have made Black Noir not look exactly like Homelander

which version is this?
the dialog is censored, but the colors look so much better.

He was a science project raised in a military lab. He wasn't given any affection or acknowledgement as a child and was taught to be a weapon.

There aren't many ways something like that can go well. There aren't any, actually.

It's vague as fuck what happened to BN, but I believe it if he's been rezzed.

I hate the ending to Season 1.

and hope it's a fucking hallucination/dream sequence

seriously NO go fuck yourself YOU DO NOT PASS GO, DO NOT GET $200, WALKING OUT ON YOUR HUSBAND TO BE SOME LAB-RAT EXPERIMENT IS FUCKING DISGUSTING AND SHE SHOULD FUCKING BE KILLED HORRIBLY JESUS FUCKING CHRIST I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER BEEN THIS MAD AT A TV SHOW BEFORE

Yea Forums is flooded with amazon shills
how the fuck is the show good, and every answer is "the comic is edgy" no shit, but it still has lots going for it and it's still better than the show

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the show could be good but it's too determined to go a middle path that I think it missed the point.

that point being:

>Superheroes are almost entirely shit unless they're a QT blonde waifu4laifu or a club of misfit toys.

He just fell back to the earth, he's durable as all fuck, but they made sure he couldn't fly or shoot eye beams. The sheer amount of carnage it takes to kill him makes falling from a airliner, a feat a few very lucky regular humans IRL have preformed, makes the idea of him dying from it seem far fetched.

He had flight. The boys wonder out loud how the fuck black noir survived falling out of the airplane on 9/11, the answer is he can fly he just kept it hidden, just like everything else to keep the fact he was a Homelander clone secret I mean fuck even Homelander didn't know they had the same face

You can't kill Superman with an anti-tank rifle lmao.

krypton bullets

>"Impressive"

That is my reading too. If Homelander was at his core a decent guy who got manipulated by his crazy double, it makes it almost like some greek tragedy. A third rate one that got played for coupple of seassons in a no name mediterranean colony and was lost within a century, but still a greek tragedy.

What happens here?

one good thing about the series was

A-train getting his leg broken by the Female with a crowbar.

that was really really satisfying/along with the other stuff that the not-homelander supes had to put up with...

He brings them to a restaurant and apologizes for forgetting that normal humans can't handle the cold in the upper atmosphere

>what the fuck was his problem?
Who cares? Now to the important question: Homelander vs Superboy Prime: who wins?

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I mean... Homelander definitely isn't a decent guy, but he probably wasn't in danger of going full-psychopath until after the blackmail photos. At worst he would have continued to be an asshole with powers.

That’s so nice of him

Marshal Law didn't get nearly as far along as The Boys before it turned into utter, utter shit.
It just keeps getting progressively worse with each limited run.

I'M THE PANTS!

Prime on low ends can contend with Superman who can bust Solar Systems casually, he would fart and Homelander would die

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The show could have been amazing. The central message of the comic, that super heroes are really stupid and kind of horrifying if you think about it, would have been courageous and powerful at the height of the capeflick craze. There are commercials for Avengers Endgame even today. But I guess you can't get away with that sort of thing in the year of the mouse 2019. Now the conflict is less 'the supers that the public adores are actually stupid and appalling' and more 'incel lashing out over his ex.'

>The central message of the comic, that super heroes are really stupid and kind of horrifying if you think about it, would have been courageous and powerful at the height of the capeflick craze.

But it still does that? It shows supes as manipulative and exploatative assholes? Just because its not superedgy doesn't meant it doesn't deliver.

This is the kind of think that doesn't make sense in the book, I get the writer is trying to make the point that some guys in tights don't have the training to save lives. But in the context of the story wouldn't the company that is trying to sell the supes to the military would want to train them a little to make the contract valuable? Are you telling me they are willing to buy a flying base but can give them a 45 minutes lesson on how to handle a hostage situation?

It would make sense if the 7 where some independent group that just decided that being strong gave them the right to save people but they are backed by a powerful company that wants them to succeed.

Yes. Because at the end of the day, VA are fucking morons that only think of money and doing the bare minimum to sell what is a bad product.A lot like several real life corporations and businessmen that people defend despite their shitty behavior.

If you'll forgive the tangent, there's this old song by Suicidal Tenancies about the willingness to say what needs to be said even if society disapproves. The singer goes on this long rant about it, ending the rant in the loudest "FUCK YOU" he can manage. When they play it in concert, the entire audience screams it. But in the music video, they bleeped it.
youtube.com/watch?v=nxcJW6bs5os (around the 4:30 mark)
It's still sort of an anti-censorship song, I guess, even though it's been censored, but it's still hte most retarded fucking thing you've ever seen. And that's the Boys. It's the series about how awful superheroes are, where they removed a lot of the awful things the supers do, and where the costumes look good when they were supposed to look stupid.

Remember, you can be an absolute asshole and still be a good person. They actually aren't mutually exclusive, lots of people just conflate "good" with "nice".

Except when your assholery comes from abuse of power and status and you seem to have no moral qualms about your attitude either then you aren't good.

What is "good" in your opinion?

Well, not forcing yourself on women, messing with a hijacked plane and then lying about it or killing your boss by melting her brain for start.

True but as far as we know he only did those 1st and third things after he was convinced he'd already raped women and eaten babies. And the middle thing almost feels like something a dumb teenager would do if they tried to play Hero. It's shitty but it's what they were told to do and they were all woefully unprepared to do it. While it's shitty of them to just leave those people to die, what're you supposed to do when you realize your big triumphant "save the plane" mission which should've been a fucking slam dunk got this cocked up?

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What about lasering the plane during Herogasm? No fucking remorse, no fallout, Homelander is a sociopath without a moral compass that only doesn't go all out monster because there's the public image, but once that melts away he just turns vile.

The whole point of The Boys is a cynical reversal of superhero tropes, the assholery is part of the whole reversed image and there is no way it can be construed as anything else.

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"being an asshole" doesn't mean "rude" it's a less strong version of being evil
at best you could say that perhaps somebody is an asshole some of the time but more than makes up for it at other times with very good behaviour
but you can't be an asshole and be a good person simultaneously, that goes against the definition of asshole

The comic makes them so edgy that their assholery starts to beggar belief. The show treats them with more humanity which I think is the correct way to handle the material. The message shouldn't be "superheroes are so awful lmao so deep." I much prefer the approach that they are just fallible humans who have been corrupted by their power, which is exactly what the show delivers. It may be a bit toned down from the comic, but the show is hardly a "censored" version. The supes are still morally reprehensible boobs, I don't know what more you want from it.

the first marshal law book is fantastic top 10 stuff but beyond its critique on superheros they deal with very different things, Law is about the corruption and death of the American Dream and The Boys is about how violence and hate will only breed more.

But of course you probably only used Law as a example to try and sound smart and show of your oh so niche taste

Did Yea Forums talk about The Boys this much before the show?

No. Also, The Boys has never had a very good reputation. It's usually been considered low tier overly edgy Ennis, but now that the show is getting so much praise, Yea Forumsntrarians feel the need to claim that the original comic was so much better in an effort to be appear superior to all the normies who enjoy the show. Despite the fact that the show is legitimately better than the comic.

no they didnt but this user is a fag

Well he was a weapon. And I think its implied that VA purposly made him retarded but just capable of killing his one target. So that they could get rid of him after without a problem. What would be the point of taking out homelander just to replace him with someone else you cant kill.

They were using depleted uranium armor piercing shit. And its stated multiple times in the comic that the kind of invulnerability supes have cant be avoided if there are holes to use. Like eyes mouth open wounds. So the fact that he is pretty damaged at the start helps.

black noir had only superhuman strength and durability slightly greater than the homelander. and he was mentally conditioned to obey voight's commands and be incapable of disobeying them. that's part of the reason he went nuts and starting framing the homelander. he was programmed to want to murder the homelander but couldn't until he went nuts.

imagine wanting a pizza for 20 years, always having one within arms reach and being unable to take because your arms are shackled to prevent you.

now you understand why he went insane

Wow I didn’t remember that the plane accident was all the Deep’s fault.

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it's not 100% his fault, he fucked up about as much as any of them

even IF he hadn't punched the windshield out, black noir was already falling to the ground by this point, and he was supposed to be the one to pilot the plane back down (even though we know with hindsight that even that wouldn't have worked....because he doesn't know how to fucking fly an aircraft even by long after the 9/11 incident), so even if homelander killed the terrorists with ease, they would have no way to land the plane whatsoever

the only mostly innocent person was Maeve because she didn't do anything to cause the operation to fail, although she did painfully kill several civillians in a panic to escape the plane when it all went wrong and she was freaking out

Yeah, it's kinda the whole point that it doesn't matter what the Seven did because no one had actually put any thought into the rescue beyond "it'll look good and we're fucking perfect"

The people in that plane were dead the moment the hijacking began, the only difference between the Seven and the B-52 taking care of the problem is the plane crashing into the Brooklyn Bridge and the false hope they gave the passengers

Idk So any ideas on what Amazon is doing for Black Noir this time? He's quiet and likes knives but that's kind of it

They're going all sad and deep with homelander so noir will just be an ebul guy who's out of controll

Ok, I take my comment back. I had underestimated how difficult it would be to land a plane with help from control tower.

I dont think so, I just dont think there's any room for that.

Like how though?

The comic has always been Crossed-tier, I feel like it was storytimed ironically in the past, though I feel like most people that like Preacher liked The Boys

I liked it more than crossed.. which was just misery porn. Mostly because there was some sense of a conclusion that wasn't stupid

I think they might have him be legitimately one of the 7 or like some kind of robot or cyborg or something..

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*derp he might literally be what his "backstory" purports him to be (like Teknight)

Teknignt is unironically based and heroic

Excelent analysis, dear user.

At the end of season 1 he has a drug induced heart attack and Starlight and Hughie try to resuscitate him but we don't know if he lived or not

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My guess is he's the mole this time.
He's chummy with A-Train, apparently competent, and he's just above street level as Kimiko damaged him.

His kill Homelander spot has also been taken over by Homelander Jr.

His entire existence was a constant state of blueballing. He was designed for one single thing and he was forced to bear being unable to do that thing and buddy it up with the fuck he was supposed to serve as a deterrent against. His murder boner could only be held back for so long.

Homelander would have been harder to kill than Black Noir due to being able to fly, Black Noir was intentionally made grounded so he was more manageable but stronger physically than Homelander so that he'd be able to kill him quickly.

we could probably get more clues if they'd give us more "in-world fluff" to look at... like some fake film synopsis and like a timeline dating back to the early 1990's, so we could get an idea about "what VA says about Black Noir" and then piece it together from there.

the question is though, how does one drink tea in a mask like that.

(and what if she's the female's brother?)

Yes but does it have mindless amounts of violence ? I thought so

>butcher hates capes because he found his actual soulmate and a cape murderraped her
>how do we convey this in the adaption?
>i know, lets make butcher a cuck
This alone is enough to make me hate the adaption with the force of a million suns, and I don't even care about Yea Forums adaptions.

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they literally spell it out

>have only one purpose in your life
>can't fulfill it
>take make it worse you're stuck with the guy you were made to kill
>you have godlike powers but can't even use them
>proceed like this for at least a decade minimum

His rape could shoot lasers from his eyes and fly. All you stupid retards saying he couldn’t fly or shoot lasers need to read the fucking comics.

I'm going to hope that it's all a hallucination and/or nightmare butcher is having after getting a concussion or something.. after all what's the worst possible dream you could have?

it's "the wife you thought was dead was raising your enemies kid the whole time, your quest is meaningless and without purpose and you really should've just moved on"..

imagine if on top of that it's confirmed it was not rape and she actually cheated on him

and she truly believes Vought's whole mission-statement or plan.

mostly I imagine homelander acting puzzled "you got what you were questing after, why you still mad?"

This is why the comic is retarded, the entire premise falls apart if you look at it too hard, even with the logic of its own setting

or if she did it because her genetics were declared the most compatible and she wanted to climb up the corporate ladder or and whatever didn't give a fuck in the end about who she hurt.

This series already looks like hope is long gone so why stop there.

IMO thats why the show is better, they are still incompetent but not to the point where it makes no sense how they are still around, same with being evil/immoral

idk, other than that butcher-plot-thread ending, season 1 ended pretty well.. wish there were more episodes though.

I really like some of the threads they got going, think there's a bunch of interesting directions, but that whole "oh your wife was alive the whole time"-thing stands out as a potential derailer and might signal another "Westworld"-tier waste of a property/setting/storyline.

>50 posts remaining for your weekly amazon shilling quota

Oh completely, I think with that little piece at the end can make this whole show go up in flames.

Ennis villains also tend to be idiots as well, especially if he wants to make a point.

Yeah, Homelander (and by extension Black Noir) may be his setting’s primary flying brick, but he’s not a particularly potent one by most flying brick standards.

, , Honestly, he seemed the most competent of the Seven in the show in terms of addressing threats to the Seven; the rest were too busy dealing with each other or having their heads up their own asses to really properly get shit done, then Black Noir ninjas out of nowhere and murders the fuck out of The Female, at least temporarily.

Basically yeah, he's nuts. Homelander is enough of a cunt that you'd want a back-up plan in place, but not so much that they actually needed to use it by Supe standards.

Apparently Black Noir's original idea was to try to make it look like Homelander was so over the edge that they needed to officially activate him but then BN discovered that he liked doing them.

Not really “halfway” (since using leverage as a woman to force her to suck you off is still a major crime in most states), but you can definitely see he’s MUCH less sure of himself and much less stable then he seems.

It shouldn’t be a crime

Its kinda implied they fucked with his brain. I mean, the dude's fucking obsesed with homelander

it's entirely entirely dependent on season 2,
which is apparently a whole year away.

which is just fucking great.

there needs to be a word for the "bad sort of cliffhanger"... like the kind where it's less "I don't know where they're going with this" but more "I don't know where they can go with this" (+"and still remain halfway watchable as a show"), or like a development where it basically leads to "okay so is this show going to be saying XYZ?" and have a sudden shift in terms of what's going on?

I mean I can easily foresee a whole bunch of things going on where "we're made to feel bad for Becca even though she left no fucking trace and just disappeared from her family's lives and ooh isn't it sad that mean Vought did this all on it's own through it's absurdly powerful ability to do whatever, leaving not a fucking note or anything"..

or they're going to have it be that it was all a big lie and she valued vought more than her husband's relationship, but that doesn't make sense since it gives no point to her 3 hour thinking session.

or the 3 hour thinking session was something else, aaaagghhh.. it only makes sense if this was a dream-sequence but that's supposedly frowned upon, especially for endings like this...

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Saying "Suck my dick or we won't let you be a part of our club" is not coercion.
She could have walked out at any point.
There was no threat of losing her life or livelihood or being put in a place where she was ruined on any real level.
She sucked their dicks to get ahead.
Really fucked part?
She more then likely got off on it on some level but feels bad about it.

Cliffjump

It worked out though, he was only slightly strong enough to kill HL, and came out damged

Yeah, it was bad writing.