Should have had more Stark vs. Thanos in EG

Cap got way too much screentime in Endgame. Tony should've been the one who was alone facing Thanos, not Cap

I don't understand the whole "Not the only one cursed with knowledge" part. What was up with that?

Cap having his fight was fine but Tony should have had one with Thanos either before that or before he snaps. Like I said, he has these sharp nano knuckle dusters and he's furious in this final fight. If IW Thanos never died he's have that greater history with Stark and we could have line callbacks too like him saying to Stark specifically 'Nobody will remember you' when monologuing about destroying the whole universe.

They both knew what was coming and couldn't prevent it from happening. For Tony it was the knowledge that an alien threat would come and destroy everything and for Thanos it was the overpopulation of his planet that lead to its end.

Steve's screentime was fine. The issue is that Thor and Tony both got brushed to the side in their 3v1 against Thanos just to hype up Cap with Mjolnir.

Yes, he won't pass up any opportunity to get himself killed.

Fuck off, Stevesucker.

>he still believed in the government doing right.

I think that died with Richard Nixon turning out to be the head of the Secret Empire.

But he knew Tony by name? Well I guess it's not a secret.

Tony's a famous guy with a troubled history tied to him back on Earth. It wouldn't be hard to find out the name of the guy who destroyed your army back in 2012.

Thats stupid

>destroying the stones don't cripple Thanos
>when they arrive only big challenges are Marvel and Stormbreaker
>Thanos is expert warrior so beats Thor, rips Stormbreaker from his hands, Marvel blasts him, he uses the axe to absord the blasts, redirects this back at her and she's injured, then he slices her back so she's pretty fucked up, breaks Stormbreaker (or keeps it, making Thor's depression even worse)
There, Thanos wins and Marvel is still preserved as the most powerful character at a base level.

Thor should have stomped end game Thanos at the end regardless of his 5 years of inactivity. He beat God Thanos in a straight up power fight at the end of IW, That old man making breakfast wouldn't win.

Russos said Endgame Thor at the final battle is the strongest he's ever been

you kiddos keep thinking the characters as characters instead of actors getting paid for showing their horrible faces on screen.
I gave up on the MCU after black widow was chosen as an avenger, i knew this kind of bullshit was going to suck all of the fun, and was completelly right.
Spiderman? get a not-so-young no one to play as robert downey jr apprentice.
Steve? get a fucking idiot that cant act for shit and lets play along with it, "i am outdated lel language" has a pretty face am i right.

Im surprised they let Thanos be a giant CGI monster AND get a win, but of course it didnt lasted long because whoever the boomer that plays Thor needed screen time too.
Literally only watched 5 MCU movies before endgame, and i dont know how they did it but even Tony ended up being a giant dissapointment.

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I'm gonna ask this hear cause I don't want to start a whole thread but why didn't carol use the gauntlet? She had the strength to tank the snap and survive. Also why didn't the avengers wait for her to show up when they (presumably) told her the plan to get the gems from the past? You'd think they'd want here there just in case something went wrong, and they would've had to have told her the plan because that's the only real explanation for her showing up in time at the end

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he doesn't have a G for government on his helmet, user

>I care about comics!
>Spiderman

Civil war makes no sense as a direct follow up to winter soldier. Yes I can understand why there should be regulations on superheros in a governmental level, or at the very least liaisons to share intelligence . But Winter Soldiers main plot point was that the primary governmental body that would do something like that was corrupt from the fucking beginning and there is no guarantee that all of those rats went down with shield.

What the MCU needed and still needs is less Iron Man.

He should've been.
He had both Mjolnir and Stormbreaker. And Stormbreaker. Stormbreaker alone signified his previous peak.

But fuck what they said. They didnt show it. Stormbreaker Thor fucked Thanos up while he had the gauntlet. Then with even more supposed power, he couldn't handle Thanos without the Gauntlet. The scene suggested the exact opposite, that while he had additional resources, he was so unprepared/out of shape, baseline Thanos manhandled Thor.

>why didn't carol use the gauntlet?
Use the gauntlet for what? Carol is very sure of herself, whether that's just confidence or arrogance doesn't matter, I doubt she would think that she needed it to beat the army.
>She had the strength to tank the snap and survive.
no she didn't
>Also why didn't the avengers wait for her to show up when they (presumably) told her the plan to get the gems from the past?
She said she wasn't going to be our of contact for a while right before Scott showed up, so at least a few Earth days from the time travel being a concrete, actionable plan.
>You'd think they'd want here there just in case something went wrong
Punchy McPunch a lot is the last person I'd want on a low key time heist, like I doubt they'd have taken Hulk if he hadn't merged with Banner.
>and they would've had to have told her the plan because that's the only real explanation for her showing up in time at the end
They never really do explain that, do they? Either Carol saw the snap undone and headed for Earth straight away or I guess Strange could have told her, just not letting her use a portal because he knew when she had to show up.

Side note: that part where she flies at the quantum gate in the van makes no sense because she's got no pym particles or time GPS. Maybe it was a pass to Ant-Man, but that wasn't evident in the movie.

Not defending Thor's shitty fatsuit but to be fair he didn't really fight Thanos in IF, he lightning-bolted the guy from off screen as he was putting the last stone in and then hucked Stormbringer at him. In Endgame, Thanos was actually fighting back.

This.

Robert Downey Jr. did a great job with Iron Man 1. He, and the entire cast along with the director, opened the door for the franchise. But his status within the movies is too suggestive of Downey's status irl. Its doesnt seem organic. They lost sight of Tony's arc being about redemption. He used to be an asshole who started thinking of others. In Civil War he became the asshole who lost sight of what was best for everyone, focusing on his own ideas without any open mindedness. Suddenly he isnt redeeming himself for a lifetime of arms dealing and greed, he isnt learning that he cant do things alone, he's just the guy who is always right. Something he was already moving past. Endgame had a lot of character regression, and with oyher characters unseen and unwanted extreme progression, see Hulk.

IF Thanos was practically flicking people away. While he was surprised, the fact Stormbreaker effortlessly broke through the Gauntlet's power was indicative of the awesome power Thor wielded with Stormbreaker. Then with Endgame he also had Mjolnir.
Dont wanna be a power level fag, but it was rather inconsistent.

Wanda had a consistent showing. Thanos without the Gauntlet nearly got killed by her.

Context matters when you used feat-based thinking. Thor wouldn't have hurt Thanos in IW if Thanos just stepped to his right (using his fighting skills like he did against Hulk at the start of the movie), but he was using his new toy that he didn't expect to get deflected by another Dwarven masterwork. EG Thanos was also overtly trying to murder the Avengers when he clearly wasn't in IW (well, except for Vision). I think people forget that the objects that house Infinity Stones in the MCU are there to buffer their raw power and protect the user, not unlock their strength. The tesseract, "Loki's" staff, Ronan's staff, the eye of agamotto, the gauntlet, etc. all serve this purpose. I don't know how the ether plays into that necessarily, but there you go.

>In Civil War he became the asshole who lost sight of what was best for everyone, focusing on his own ideas without any open mindedness.
How is Tony considering all the livelihoods they have and will potentially destroy in 117 nations through their super heroics and him trying to keep everyone together so they're prepared for what's going to come (Thanos) him losing touch of what's best for everyone?

Based. MCU Stark is an unapoligetic piece of shit that is treated like a god, remember when he selfishly created a robot that killed thousands and wiped a country off the map THEN he ended the same film quiping with his pals about chilling with his gf

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>him trying to keep everyone together

user, his aim was control and coordination under his vision. His motivation was guilt.

He lost sight of people as individuals and willfully alienated those he needed.
He prioritized his compliance over preserving the very resource he needed the team. By laying down the condition that: if they do not comply to his vision, they cannot help. Essentially making them pay for what he and Banner did with Ultron unless they served penance along with him. He was manipulated into that position.

You wouldn't have her there for the time heist you'd have her there to watch the portal or at least sent her to one of the past locations in space. It makes a lot more sense to send someone with space experience to the lost planet of voromeir than to send a dude with a bow and a chick with blonde hair. She also tanked a hit from the power stone, which the russos did to physically show that she is stronger than hulk, she was strong enough to do the snap. Her entire addition to the movie makes no sense and her retconning into the lore serves nothing but to add a gaping plot hole where she should've done something about thanos in those twenty fucking years she was in space and to reduce the tension for the finale. Jesus chirst she destroys his ship and brings him to his knees alone, she could've soloed him without the gauntlet easily

Then the following film he asked his teammates to be reigned in and restrained/restricted for what he did. And considering some of his teammates had spent another movie fighting rogue and evil elements within the government, they were understandably apprehensive about being constrained by authorities, specially since the Wakanda incident seemed fishy to begin with. His guilt made him not question anything and go along with his feelings of shame over Ultron.

But aliens dont really interact with mcu earth, so iron man isnt popular beyond earth.

Plus in Avengers 1 The other doesnt even know the Earth has a group called Avengers as he rightly shouldnt, so why does Thanos somehow have that info on a specific member?

Maybe he got briefed by Loki?
Loki was serving him before.

Tony held his own alone in infinity war against thanos, it makes sense that they gave cap the bulk of the fight in endgame. Its a shame what they did to thor but his delivery of "lets kill him properly this time" almost made up for it

Because he had nebula and saw her memories of him

This is so true.
The mcu was supposed to be the joining together of individual stories but it became the story of Iron Man. He has more influence than any other character by a mile. Simply by virtue of the character being popular. But other character would get popular if they were actually given screen time! Look how much people changed opinions on Cap after TWS

She can easily survive the snap since she is supposedly stronger than both Thor and Hulk and she has the power of the Space stone.
Carol isnt retarded she is a hero right? Surely she would at least try to use the guantlet to wipe out the army of Thanos. It is not about her being sure of herself but looking out for all the people getting their asses kicked on the ground

Loki wasnt aware of Stark before the Avengers was he? By the time he knows Stark after Avengers he is in asgardian jail right?

Ultron wasn't made with the intention of going murder bot and killing thousands that was all mind stone corruption. Wanda fucking with Tony's mind and laying down hard on his fear of Earth being destroyed and it needing protecting is anything but selfish especially since it's proven later that they did need some form of it when Thanos came knocking.

Of she has he power of the space stone, why cant she teleport?

She acts more like its the power stone

Its misguided.

However intentional your actions are, you are responsible for what they reap. You are responsible for mistakes you make. Fear may have guided him into creating Ultron, but it was guilt over his mistake which led him to put comply with authorities and demand the same penance from his teammates. It closed his eyes to more subtle, non magical manipulation.

I'm not saying he isn't responsible for it, he ends up trying to take accountability for it later with the Accords but to say he acted out of selfishness when creating Ultron is wrong. When Wanda showed all the Avengers their worst fears Tony was the only whose didn't have to deal with him personally but with the fate of the world at large because he's been having a running Cassandra Complex since IM3.

Bruce Banner warns him about creating Ultron without notifying the Avengers but he does it anyway which is why it can be seen as selfish. He did because he thought it was right and that his opinion was better than the other team members. As for Civil War, he then tried to use guilt for HIS mistakes to say that everyone else needs to be regulated. If he felt so guilty and cared so much about accountability he should have allowed himself to go to prison like Cap in comic civil war

1. she didn't know about the time heist and she was unreachable at the time it became an actionable plan, so it's a moot point about how good (or bad) of an idea it would be to include her
2. she did not tank a hit from the power stone, that's what removed her from the movie until the funeral scene
3. we've never seen the power stone used against Hulk in any movie
4. being really strong doesn't mean she'd be less harmed by the snap, because Carol doesn't have a healing factor like Hulk does that could have been helping him survive
5. when carol "brings Thanos to his knees alone" he's half dead from two snaps and not fighting back
6. I doubt Carol could have beaten blood thirsty, time traveling Thanos without the gauntlet, because he embarrassed the Hulk in a fight for his own enjoyment. She was using all her strength just to keep him from snapping his fingers. Think about that, all her strength just to keep him from moving his fingers an inch.
7. how did Carol showing up reduce the tension? she got rocked so hard she left the movie for a while
>Her entire addition to the movie makes no sense and her retconning into the lore serves nothing but to add a gaping plot hole where she should've done something about thanos in those twenty fucking years she was in space
Yeah, I agree.

>MUH POWER LEVELS
no
>Carol isnt retarded she is a hero right?
kind of?
>Surely she would at least try to use the guantlet to wipe out the army of Thanos
why? no one was talking about using it, the mission was 'keep away'
why would she instantly have that exact plan? she only had the gauntlet for 30 seconds anyway before thanos took it back
Tony only put the stones on (wore, equipped?) to get them away from Thanos, and then having seen the quantum tunnel get exploded (and Carol failing keep away) plus Strange giving him the sign knew he had to snap Thanos away to end him as a threat
Basically, your entire perspective comes down to hindsight being 20/20.

she goes lightspeed, and I guess uses her space powers like a battery to move energy that hits her somewhere else until she needs to use it
remember how Hydra used the space stone to make guns that just sort of tore people up and made them pop? space can fuck your shit up

I always assumed Thanos initally beat Hulk so badly, tanking all his hits and then overpowering him with ease, because he had the power stone. Hulk never stood a chance.

Hulk's healing factor doesnt seem at play here. Hes still as fucked up at the funeral. And word is his injury is permanent.

no but the russos stated that thanos beat hulk without ever using the power stone and was able to stagger hi with a headbutt. Carol staggered thanos in his prime with the infinity gauntlet on with a smirk. She literally could've solved the whole problem with Thanos before it ever began but didn't, I never saw her movie so I don't know if that was due to arrogance or incompetence but I do know that she detracted way more than she added to endgame

I hate this shit where instead of writing it, showing it, writers and directors just add shit to the movie through interviews.
Im looking at you, Rowling.

I don't mind the idea of jobbing the Hulk to Thanos, it was a smart way to establish the threat right away and having him not use the power stone directly was a smart way of fleshing him out a bit more. He and hulk are in the same weight class in terms of strength but Hulks a bruiser (though what was the fucking point of the alleged training he went through with valkyrie if all he fucking did in the fight was throw haymakers) and Thanos is a calculated fighter. The bullshit part was Hulk never redeemed himself, which was intentional not only to build up Carol but to remove the possiblity of ever properly getting a solo hulk movie or more importantly to me a She hulk movie

You entered a thread about children's shows on a mongolian basket weaving forum to express your inability to pay attention long enough to enjoy a cartoon based on a fantasy where adult men prance around in tights and punch monsters.

Evaluate your life decisions and report back.

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Thanos shouldve won the fight. No one can argue that, the story needed it and it makes sense within the stories internal logic.

But the way he was utterly btfo, and then on top claiming he didnt even use the stone, is gratuitous. Then the fact that later on, Cap, Tony, basically everyone else fared much better against an even more powerful Thanos makes matters much worse.

Thanos should have won through superior skill applied with his considerable power. As it is, he allowed Hulk to wail on him without effect and then treated Hulk like he was fighting someone with a child's strength.

Did hulk even land a good punch in his first fight against thanos? Everything there was fine to me because it was the opening scene to a movie introducing Thanos, the problem was not having hulk turn around and push his shit in at the end of endgame. Literally the entirety of Endgame would be better if Carol was never there you have Tony repair the guardians ship to get them home you'd have Nebula be the one to destroy Thanoses ship and you'd have hulk get the last punch em up against Thanos before Tony gets the stones. Hulk really needed one last Hulk Smash but never got one and I don't think ever will again

Thanos let him get a few blows in, Hulk tearing up the ship smashing Thanos around with no effect. Then Thanos grabbed his arms and overpowered Hulk entirely and without effort.

You see that I don't mind in the slightest, it's the lack of any payoff for that. that's complete bullshit

>because he had the power stone
it doesn't light up like every stone does every time Thanos uses one
the 'hulk-power stone' thing has been explained so many times by now, I'm surprised you missed it or never asked someone about it before now
>Hulk's healing factor doesnt seem at play here. Hes still as fucked up at the funeral. And word is his injury is permanent.
that doesn't mean it wasn't keeping him alive during the action though

>no but the russos stated that thanos beat hulk without ever using the power stone
you also just saw that in the movie using your eyes
>and was able to stagger hi with a headbutt. Carol staggered thanos in his prime with the infinity gauntlet on with a smirk.
so two massive problems with your thinking here
First, Thanos's "prime?" There's a four year difference between 'our' timeline Thanos and time travel Thanos. You really think those four years matter in terms of his strength?
Second, I already told you why punching harder doesn't necessarily mean you're better at dealing with the snap damage. You're thinking in some kind of video game terms or something where one character is a higher level. Different characters have different abilities, different strengths. How do you know that withstanding a headbutt has any bearing on handling the energies released by the crystallized remains of the creation of the universe? The movie says gamma radiation plays a factor too, that's why it has to be Hulk and not Thor. Actually that gamma part goes back to the first Avengers movie.
>She literally could've solved the whole problem with Thanos before it ever began but didn't
well I think Thanos was active before Carol got her powers and I don't know that she could so easily beat him or at all, but I agree that
>I do know that she detracted way more than she added to endgame
she was a total after thought to Endgame and Phase 3 in general

it was in the movie

Hulk got robbed in Endgame, both in terms of the Thanos relationship and the Professor Hulk merge happening off screen. He undid the snap by being both Banner (time travel) and Hulk (snap), but I think the movie needed just one moment between him and Thanos during the final fight. Only problem is, time travel Thanos doesn't know he beat the shit out of Hulk. Then again, he didn't know who Scarlet Witch was either and that was a great moment for her. Maybe someone thought it'd be redundant? I wouldn't take away the SW moment, but Hulk deserved one too. Especially so after Black Widow died, which is the only time we see Professor Hulk angry or sad.

Thanos is stronger in Endgame simply because he's going in for kills, Throughout infinity war he was actively not trying to kill people he didn't personally believed deserved it. Because his whole thing was thinking of himself as a natural homeopathy for the problems in the universe that he saw wrong, In Endgame he's just trying to destroy everything because he realized he was about to completely waste his time with subtlety. Carol showed that if she fought Thanos before he had the infinity stones she would've won without taking a hit. Hence why she was able to destroy his flagship and bring him to his knees before he could even think of being able to do anything to her. She's the first major misstep for Marvel and I don't look forward to her "contributions" at stealing other characters stories because she has none of her own.

Listen you can downplay the amount that she detracted from the movie (and as much as I exagerate how terrible she was, there is no denying that she was the weakest part of the movie) All I wanted was tp have the movie consist of thor and maybe tony shit talking banner through the entire film until he finally snapped and got a few solid blows in against Thanos at the end of the movie. Charmless Marvel was bad in this movie and I don't look forward to whatever profitable movies she's going to be in in the future

I already went into the difference in effort between the Thanoses in this thread. You said "in his prime" which has very age-related, physical connotations. Just a misunderstanding I guess.
>Carol showed that if she fought Thanos before he had the infinity stones she would've won without taking a hit.
You keep talking about this time Thanos was brought to his knees but which time? Once as a crippled farmer in the beginning and at the end by literally flying into the back of his knee. The next thing that happens is she reaches for the gauntlet, he grabs her arm, stops it, and throws her away, which is why he even has the gauntlet on when Tony does his little trick. I don't even know why you bring up her blowing up his ship as some sort of sign that she must be stronger than Thanos. Why do you think Thanos couldn't tear a hole in his ship if he wanted to? He was able to think of what to do to her, twice. Once when throwing her and once when thinking to use the power stone.
>Listen you can downplay the amount that she detracted from the movie
Saying how tacked on Captain Marvel is in Endgame is an observation, trying to say she voids the entire movie is hyperbole. When I push back on that exaggerated view, it doesn't mean I'm trying to "downplay" anything. I just saw Endgame for the 2nd time last week, so it's fresh in my mind. I don't think "oh why didn't she just do the snap" or "carol could solo thanos" are valid criticisms, and I've explained why in pretty decent detail by now. Here is the real question, why do you think I'm downplaying something? Why do you think I'm doing that as much as you are saying she ruins everything? I wish she wasn't in the movie. I saw her solo film, it sucked. She sucks as a character. Fury's eye was a space cat scratch. The Coulson cameo was a huge let down too (I'm an AoSfag). I agree anything Carol did in the movie should have gone to Thor or Hulk, tho probably Hulk in my opinion. I'm this post too

>do the spock vs khan thing from into darkness
>then interrupt the call back with a comedy tone shift
jesus christ no