Most progressive show in existence

You weren't paying attention to the plot, were you? The whole point is he's not Rose anymore (even though he is Rose)

By the way, your faggot pal Epstein killed himself yesterday after someone mysteriously took him off of suicide watch, made the security guards go away and broke the camera... and the Clintons did it of course. Can't wait for when your pedophile idols get whats coming to them

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Steven’s probably bi

>By the way, your faggot pal Epstein killed himself yesterday after someone mysteriously took him off of suicide watch, made the security guards go away and broke the camera... and the Clintons did it of course. Can't wait for when your pedophile idols get whats coming to them
???

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i read a lot of words there, but i didn't understand half of them because i dropped the cartoon after marathoning 2 seasons

oh but your definition of emasculated is a mischaracterisation of my argument, it is not because he is empathic -- empathy being one of the most noble traits lauded in men throughout human history, showing mercy though they have the strength to destroy, or showing thoughtful concern for women and children

he's emasculated because his agency is withheld from him by his guardians who don't trust him to deal with reality, keeping him insulated from the truth and coddled, thus never growing as a person, and incapable of becoming a man

btw
> not whatever bitter creature life has made of you.

miss me with that ad hominem poop, please -- just because i don't like what you like, doesn't mean i'm twisted with rage over it

how so? i've never watched this gay space rock show

He's basically magic warrior space Jesus, Messiah of the Rock People.
Also a Pink Saviour, I guess.

this show is just western shota shit with lgbt tumblr garbage.

so it isnt really a problem. they just want to do some shota trash

Except he escapes that, and starts seeking his own answers. You didn't watch the whole show, so how the flying fuck can you make a judgement? That he goes behind the Gems back to get his own answers? Frees Peridot because he sees value in interrogating her, then turning her to their side?

You're just a lazy faggot who watches enough to spew bile, and nothing else.

It's not a trans thing.
It's an I-am-not-my-mother thing.
It's really about fixing what the stupid boomers broke.

>showing mercy though they have the strength to destroy, or showing thoughtful concern for women and children

Oh, barf

>he's emasculated because his agency is withheld from him by his guardians who don't trust him to deal with reality, keeping him insulated from the truth and coddled, thus never growing as a person, and incapable of becoming a man

This is literally a huge theme in the show that is directly addressed by Steven himself several times, and resolved. He's 12-14 throughout the show. He's not ready to be a man. But he get's there.

Yeah, they don't understand the difference between empathy and mercy. ESL shit-heel they obviously are.

>he's emasculated because his agency is withheld from him by his guardians who don't trust him to deal with reality, keeping him insulated from the truth and coddled, thus never growing as a person, and incapable of becoming a man

Dude, just watch to the end of the fucking show.
They coddle him because he's a child and they don't really know how to deal with a child growing into adulthood.
By S05 he's gone past all of that. He rebelled against being treated as a child, faced the demons of his mother's past and corrected her mistakes.
He also makes phone calls while he's inside Pearl, like it's a fucking NTR doujin.

Remember, it's important to specifically point out that they are specifically concerned for women and children. That's an important distinction.

In what sense?

This. I mean even Garnet, fucking Garnet, has a whole dam episode dedicated to her realizing that she's been wrong to treat Steven like a child.

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>Steven
>white

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Because that's more MANLY than just having compassion in general, and concern for everyone, regardless of gender or age.

Yeah. He sure as shit ain't white! He's Italian.

Pretty sure he's pink (Also Jewish)

Worse, Italian

how convenient for Steve to have the diamond in the belly so he can do all that awesome stuff while he can still cry for any of his mommies like a little bitch

Also, sort of divorced from his culture, desu. It's not like Greg went out of his way to bring him in on it.

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How it's progressive? What has it made to change the society? Does anyone outside USA even know this cartoon?

The Simpsons is the most progressive cartoon in existence. Unless the cartoon has managed to change something in mainstream culture, it does not deserve to be called progressive.

>Except he escapes that, and starts seeking his own answers. You didn't watch the whole show, so how the flying fuck can you make a judgement?

i gave the first season an open-minded viewing then slogged through the second, noting that same stasis in character development throughout; coming away feeling confident that whatever the writers pulled later would be incapable of redeeming the show for me

> showing mercy though they have the strength to destroy, or showing thoughtful concern for women and children

> Oh, barf

are you unaware of this trope throughout all of heroic literature, or do you have some other objection to men tempering their strength when showing mercy to enemies and providing nurturing environments to women and children ?

> This is literally a huge theme in the show that is directly addressed by Steven himself several times, and resolved. He's 12-14 throughout the show. He's not ready to be a man. But he get's there.

as i'm explaining to another user, i dropped the show after grinding through 2 seasons; but i would like to note that historically young men were considered to be coming of age around that time, and expected to live up to the standard demanded of them -- it is only in the last 70 years or so since WWII that the idea of teenagers and extended childhood into the 20s was ever thought of

You wanna try that again?

>as i'm explaining to another user, i dropped the show after grinding through 2 seasons
Then why are you here discussing it? By choosing to leave the show without finishing it, you are choosing not to have full context. So get out of the discussion and let the people who actually watched it talk. Your opinion is less than worthless.

>Dude, just watch to the end of the fucking show.

no thanks

> Then why are you here discussing it?

i saw enough to form an opinion, and i obviously understand more about empathy than the people who think it's only indicative of femininity

>are you unaware of this trope throughout all of heroic literature, or do you have some other objection to men tempering their strength when showing mercy to enemies and providing nurturing environments to women and children ?
Oh I'm aware of it. And it's tired and overplayed. I'm fine with it in practice, but as a trope in fiction it's pretty dull. It's the most boring way to show compassionate masculinity.
> dropped the show after grinding through 2 seasons; but i would like to note that historically young men were considered to be coming of age around that time, and expected to live up to the standard demanded of them -- it is only in the last 70 years or so since WWII that the idea of teenagers and extended childhood into the 20s was ever thought of
Well, seeing as everyone here grew up in, and is currently living through, the last 70 years, that is the lens through which we experience the world, and that is the criteria by which I'm judging it. You don't like in the past. Get over it.

So you are the single laziest fucking faggot on Earth. You won't even partake in the most passive action a human can do while still being conscious: watching. But because you got some bee in your urethra at the near start, you stopped, and now think you have the context and knowledge to judge the entire piece of work.

My god, your poor mother.

>i saw enough to form an opinion
Clearly not, since you're missing key aspects of the narrative. You can't speak with authority regarding how the characters develop if you don't know how they develop.

Then GO AWAY

Literally nobody is saying that it is.

Guy, I think you would fail to understand empathy if it sat you down and asked you how you felt.

You are just wrong on the word "progressive".
It does not mean "influential", but aiming towards societal progression into a better future.
SU has a very clear educational slant geared towards empathy, acceptance and confident self-determination, focusing on the family as a social unit with all the social pitfalls that brings.
Simpsons is a rather aimless gag comedy that has gone from subversive 90s satire to more unfortunate preaching of the writers' opinions on whatever. But it never had a thoughtful, overarching story that aimed to teach lessons by developing characters through conflicts and crises. As such, very little even within the show progresses in any way.

Also yes, SU is licensed in many countries and there are somehow Arabian and Russian dubs.

Not gonna lie, putting Sapphire in a suit and Ruby in a dress was a delightfully spiteful move towards them.

>Steven
>straight

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>Oh I'm aware of it. And it's tired and overplayed. I'm fine with it in practice, but as a trope in fiction it's pretty dull. It's the most boring way to show compassionate masculinity.

do you also understand that art mirrors life, and that these gender roles that men and women have celebrated throughout recorded history such as the empathic gifts of mercy and nurture, are those which humanity has prized because of how beneficial they are to mankind?

this brings us to your point that we see through the lens of the last 70 years, and i would argue that such a perspective is blinkered to the point of debilitation, since as the old axiom says; those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it

do you really feel secure in only employing the lessons of the last 3/4 of a century to frame one's worldview, because while i hate to bear such bad news; the last 70s years have seen people destroying themselves in ideological wars and mass-shootings the like of which were unheard of in such numbers ever before; indicating that modern/post-modern western society is incredibly sick -- so the physician who only employs its light to cure the ills that pervade it, will be fumbling in the dark

>You can't speak with authority regarding how the characters develop if you don't know how they develop.

i saw how little they developed in the first two seasons, so i'm quite confident i don't want to see anything more the writers might add

> Then GO AWAY

i was here first

>and asked you how you felt.

i feel invigorated by the cut and thrust of the dialogue here, and concerned at the lack of critical thinking displayed by people who don't attack my argument, but aim their vitriol at me personally

I think it was officially because Sugar identified with Ruby and wanted to give her the kind of frilly wedding dress she would like to have herself.
But yeah, dicking over Russia is a very valid point, too.
Just explode their heads in a plot-critical episode! Delightfully devilish, Becky.

>i saw how little they developed in the first two seasons, so i'm quite confident i don't want to see anything more the writers might add
Then do so with the understanding that you have no clue what you're talking about.

>i feel invigorated by the cut and thrust of the dialogue here, and concerned at the lack of critical thinking displayed by people who don't attack my argument, but aim their vitriol at me personally

You just like to hear yourself talk with the false confidence of the half-educated.
Your assumptions are based on half a fucking show. A show that ramps up character development so hard in the latter half it's comical to see your lard ass complain about it being static while knowing it's anything but.
Go eat a pink lasagne.

>do you really feel secure in only employing the lessons of the last 3/4 of a century to frame one's worldview, because while i hate to bear such bad news; the last 70s years have seen people destroying themselves in ideological wars and mass-shootings the like of which were unheard of in such numbers ever before; indicating that modern/post-modern western society is incredibly sick -- so the physician who only employs its light to cure the ills that pervade it, will be fumbling in the dark
Dude, there is no shortage of media that showcases traditional masculinity. It's literally all over. This is one show If it's not your cup of tea, then that's fine. Go watch something that is.

As for your latter point about "Western society" (Not a thing) being sick, I hate to break it to ya, but shit's always been sick. It's just sick in different ways, and better in others.

Our time is no more violent than any other. Hell, the recent crop of mass shootings aside, we're living in one of the least violent times in human history. Ideological wars have been a global constant since humans first began to develop ideologies. Fuck out of here with your Rosie-eyed nostalgia for a time that never existed.

Important notice: Mass shooting are mostly a USA problem, too.
All other Western nations have far lower rates of gun violence and far fewer homicide victims in general as a result.
Guess they don't play the evul vidya in Europe.

Steven is a straight white male because he's based on Rachel Sugarman's brother.

>Then do so with the understanding that you have no clue what you're talking about.

i learnt enough to understand that the writers created an emasculated male forbidden agency by his guardians, being held to a sexist standard that because he was male he would never be able to do better

was i wrong ?

should i point out the irony that you spent most of your words in attacking me personally and thus demonstrating that lack of critical thought i mentioned, or are you fully educated on that matter ?

look i get it, you're emotionally invested in this show - perhaps you feel it represents you in some way - so you feel emotionally wounded when someone says they had to really work hard to sit through that second season; but if i'm wrong in characterising Stephen as lacking agency due to his guardian's over-protectiveness due to low expectations, prove me wrong and really shut me up

and the reason i say that is because if i was a trol, you'd merely be feeding me; whereas you would get a much greater satisfaction in rebutting my strongest points and silencing me thoroughly in that manner

>i saw how little they developed in the first two seasons, so i'm quite confident i don't want to see anything more the writers might add
Lazy. Fucking. Faggot.

>emasculated

And yet he singlehandedly overthrows a cosmic empire, a matriarchy at that, something none of the powerful women he is surrounded by were capable of doing.

...Jeeez. This show is actually pretty subversive.

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>was i wrong ?
Yes.

>being held to a sexist standard that because he was male he would never be able to do better
Him being male has literally nothing to do with how he's treated by his guardians. They're aliens, not Amazons.

Steven is NOT Jewish. It's matrilineal, remember?

You're going to have to elaborate on that, darling.

There is no indication he is bi. In fact, there has not been any indication ANYONE on the show is bi. We have seen two characters who are technically homosexual (two men) and they have been separated for years.

But since Steven is playful, flamboyant and gentle, it is interpreted as him being gay... despite the fact his mother literally sacrificed her life for the cause of heterosexual reproduction (in the show, there are options) and he himself is in a heterosexual relationship so powerful he physically merges with his girlfriend into one being.

This being looks like a tall female, but also has less obvious male characteristics. Google "Does Stevonnie have a penis or a vagina".

While the Gems are arguably lesbians, their species has no genders, or only one gender (female) and their relationships are almost without exception depicted as complicated, tragic or outright disastrous.

Like I said... this show is pretty subversive.

>You're going to have to elaborate on that, darling.
They're shit posting.

cause white pepo hate colored people and most of the audience is wyepepo..

be honest and imagine him being poc. it he were it woloudnt be this popular.

What the fuck are you even on about?
Rebutting your strongest points?
You have been repeatedly and directly told that your assumption is wrong!
What is there to rebutt?!
>No, he grows past being treated as a child. That's the whole fucking point of the show! The final episode has him literally embracing himself for who he is because he grew into a more mature person across those 5 seasons of show. And even the last big ugly villain gets it by now.
There. I don't know how much more direct I could possibly make it to get through your layers of smug ignorance.
Only watching the last five episodes would show you that you are obviously effing wrong.

Spanish, more likely. DeMayo is a name found among Sephardic Jews.

I think I would cry a lot too if nobody could help me with my problems because I am literally a unique being with absolutely insane problems.

>Does anyone outside USA even know this cartoon?

Yes.

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And a ching-chong bing-bong to you too, Chinaman.

>less obvious male characteristics
Facial hair is pretty obvious.

Then what are you whining about, faggot?

It was a bit dissonant. But the Gems showed pretty clearly they don't understand marital customs, and why would they?
So weird. Ruby and Sapphire are far more intimate than any human couple can ever be.

The closest thing I have ever heard that resembles an explanation to that came from Michael Moore of all people: a 'culture of fear' that is deliberately promoted in the USA.

Are you hoping that one dickbag is Chinese and you can shut him down through the Firewall?

More siccing their secret police on them, than anything.

God I hope so. I have come to despise the Chinese through their history, and how their government has developed.

>Dude, there is no shortage of media that showcases traditional masculinity. It's literally all over. This is one show If it's not your cup of tea, then that's fine. Go watch something that is.

i watched the show because people kept saying it was the most amazing thing EVAH -- now having taken those recommendations people are angry that i didn't like it, and want me to SHUT UP, SHUT UP, SHUT UP!!!!11!!!11!!11!!ONE

don't you think that's ridiculous ?

now as to your assertion that Western Society is 'Not a thing' -- i have to disagree because when we look outside the bounds of the last 70 years and turn to the origins of European culture which grew from indigenous groups overwhelmed by Greco-Roman Empiric and their philosophy then mixed with Judeo-Christian thought, latterly extending to the Great Experiment of the United States, we see systems of government and society quite alien to the Asias, Africas and Middle East

i do take your point that mankind has always had ills, though, and it is precisely this reason that we must learn from history outside the lens of the last 70 years, because having survived the human condition through all they faced, we would do well to borrow everything we can from them to cure ourselves

would you please do me the favour of noting that having conceded that humanity has always been at war within itself, my perspective is not so rosy hued as you might have assumed

>Lazy. Fucking. Faggot.

i'll have you know i worked really, really hard to get through that second season

>And yet he singlehandedly overthrows a cosmic empire, a matriarchy at that, something none of the powerful women he is surrounded by were capable of doing.

i'll have to take your word on that

> Yes.

prove me wrong

The only time it grew out was when they were trapped on an alien planet. Normally they never fuse for long enough that it shows.

Also, they shaved... which I never gave any thought to before. Why not let it grow when nobody is there to see it? I guess facial hair is not a part of how they see themselves.

>i saw enough to form an opinion

You've seen enough to form an opinion of whether or not you like the show. I'll give you that. 2 seasons is more that reasonable in that regard. However, have you seen enough to from a nuanced opinion of theme and character development? No.

>I guess facial hair is not a part of how they see themselves.
It's still visible as stubble after they shave, and they seem pretty pleased to have it.

China is a ridiculous concept, really.
A disparate region forced through violence and habit to be a singular nation with a barely functioning bureaucracy keeping it just together enough not to fall into civil war at any given moment.
For the last 2250 or so years.

>i'll have to take your word on that

Look - if you refuse to take in the whole thing, can you please suspend your opinion on it? It's grating.

I wonder how emperor Xi really feels. Does he ever worry that, if he turns the screws either too tightly or not tight enough, the country actually could fall into civil war?

There are still living people who remember the last one and that one ended in a complete transformation... so it's possible. And many countries would love for that to happen.

...Huh. Again, not really something I gave any thought to before.

>TFW China goes into another Civil War in our lifetime
>It falls into chaos and has to rebuild itself yet again
>Just as has happened so many times before

>Steven
>Male

If you had to work at watching a show, you're fucking pathetic. Like, to the point that jacking off is Herculean.
They also can't stop eating eachother.

su for all it's faults, does pretty well with the international crowd, just look at the crowd that showed up for argentina comic con back in 18 as one example, not too mention all the fanart, doujins, piles of fan merch, the fact that it spawned it's own independent con, and having a best selling soundtrack that not only got a part 2 released but a vynl set as well. it's not exactly calculating how each episode does when it gets released in said country from around the world and comparing them side by side, but yeah.

Most of the characters in this show serve their own progressive purpose and of course the main protag is a straight white male, he's supposed to serve as a role model that encourages other straight white males to be just as progressive as he is. The trade off of course is that despite being the main protag, Steven rarely gets involved in any of the action besides being supportive. Let's take a look at some of the other characters for example:

-Lars and Sadie are supposed to represent and encourage switched gender roles, Sadie being the strong provider while Lars is the whiny bitch who knows how to cook
-Garnet represents the kind of woman with a rocking body that you as a man can't have because she's gay, it teaches you that not all lesbians are ugly and shapeless
-Amethyst represents an unwanted body type that she herself has problems with, she may end up in a straight relationship as a message to men to be more accepting of that body type, like with Rose

>i watched the show because people kept saying it was the most amazing thing EVAH -- now having taken those recommendations people are angry that i didn't like it, and want me to SHUT UP, SHUT UP, SHUT UP!!!!11!!!11!!11!!ONE
Dude, no one is saying you have to like it. Negative opinions are fine, as long as they are informed. Hell, i don't even LOVE the show, it's okay at best, but at least I know what I'm talking about when I criticize it. The problem here is that you're trying to comment on complex aspects of the theme and narrative without fully understanding them.

>now as to your assertion that Western Society is 'Not a thing' -- i have to disagree because when we look outside the bounds of the last 70 years and turn to the origins of European culture which grew from indigenous groups overwhelmed by Greco-Roman Empiric and their philosophy then mixed with Judeo-Christian thought, latterly extending to the Great Experiment of the United States, we see systems of government and society quite alien to the Asias, Africas and Middle East
The problem with the concept of "Western Society is that it's somewhat arbitrary. "The West" is not once society. it's an ever shifting collection of very different societies with very different values. And who does and does not count as "The West" changes. Hell, until fairly recently in human history, the Middle East was considered part of "The West."

> it is precisely this reason that we must learn from history outside the lens of the last 70 years
I was never saying we shouldn't. I was just saying that since Steven Universe is a show create din the modern day, for a modern audience, with a modern perspective, it makes sense to treat Steven's character the way we treat modern teenagers of his age within the context of the narrative.

> prove me wrong
I can't do that if you aren't willing to watch the whole show, which you've already said you aren't so this discussion is totally pointless.

>straight
>white
maybe even >male
hell that thing doesn't even fucking look human

>can you please suspend your opinion on it?

i'm genuinely beginning to, because eventually some folks ITT refrained from screaming at me to inform me that the show gets better, with actual reasoned argument

i still feel i saw an emasculated sexist portrayal of a young male in the first 2 seasons, but since several people are saying he does actually grow past the restrictions thrust upon him by his guardians, i'm willing to concede that maybe the show got better

>If you had to work at watching a show, you're fucking pathetic.

i'm having to work at being patient with someone so rude as you, but as you can see, i'm a master at it

but watching television isn't so much a priority to me as being gentle to fellow human beings, so it takes effort to sit through something i normally wouldn't bother with

This is the coldest, most shallow take I've ever seen.

People want you to shut up because you keep making objectively false statements.
You are free to not like the show. You are not capable of claims regarding the show in its entirety, though.
You have no idea what is or is not in all of 3 seasons, half the episode count.
Just accept that Steven's agency, his identity and masculinity are addressed.
There is no room to argue this. That is not a matter of opinion.
You don't have to like it, but you don't get to say blatantly false things about the show and go unchallenged.

>i still feel i saw an emasculated sexist portrayal of a young male in the first 2 seasons
In what way is his portrayal sexist or emasculated? You never explained that.

The saddest thing is that it's so completely true.

>haha
There's nothing "haha" about it. Progress was never about leaving white straight males behind. That's just what propaganda told you to convince you to go on mass shooting sprees.
>but i saw a post on facebook about this one liberal college that blah blah blah
damn sounds like you're a gullible idiot who fell for propaganda then.

He is his mother, though. He's literally transgender.

Not even close. That's what makes it cold and shallow. That's the kind of assumption you gleam from only passively watching a few episodes.

He's not his mother. Her mother gave up her physical form. She's gone, and he's his own person.

>an emasculated sexist portrayal of a young male

HE'S FUNCTIONALLY EIGHT YEARS OLD.

Plus, to him, that is how it works. It reflects what he sees around him: males are caring, females are warriors.

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By your "logic" all males are transgender, since we all start out with a female body plan.

based
We're all trannies

There are a lot of single dads in this show...

>Just accept that Steven's agency, his identity and masculinity are addressed

bear in mind, people wanted me to accept this without providing any evidence that my impression of Stephen was incorrect, and instead they attacked me personally like little children

at this point in this ITT thread, some wiser souls have dealt with my initial points that Stephen is emasculated by his guardians who hold a sexist view that because he is a male boy he can't be any better; informing me that these issues are addressed in the final 3 seasons

but i hope you understand that having watched the first 2 season and seen none of this development which allegedly happened, i was unwilling to press further

and i hope you also understand that i can't 'just accept' what you say, because while you seem sincere, and you are echoing other voices here, i have a hard time believing that the same writers who pained me in season 1 & 2 could progress the story in a reasonable fashion

Greg... Uh... Marty (Kind of)... Kofi... Mayor Dewey (Maybe)... Fryman (Maybe)...

Yeah, if those last two are ever confirmed to be single, that's more than average.

>He is his mother
youtube.com/watch?v=qhsxqTJz23E
really don't know how much clearer this show needs to be, i mean i figured the shell of his mothers physical form literally fucking screaming would get through people's heads.

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>Stephen is emasculated by his guardians who hold a sexist view that because he is a male boy he can't be any better
That is never the case. Their treatment of him never has anything to do with his gender. It's about his age and inexperience. Side note, why are you suddenly spelling "Steven" wrong?

>white
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Greg is a widower, I don't know if that counts.

Mr. Fryman... we have never seen a wife. Divorcee? Who got to keep the kids? If Ronaldo and Peedee are all there is, she must have been a real fuck-up.

Kofi Pizza: same deal.

Bill Dewey... never seen a wife or any indication, but same story as above. Widower?

Sadie only seems to have a mother...

Lars and Connie have complete family units... and are both the single child.

But yeah... odd, that. What do we know of Sugarman's home situation?

Again, his mother was not Jewish, so he can't be.

You're a weird little man.

Of course there's a lot more going on with those characters on a deeper level, such as Garnet struggling to keep herself ever vigilant and strong while dealing with the obvious differences and conflicting emotions between Ruby and Sapphire as well as Amethyst going through the grueling process of learning to cope with her shortcomings. But from the surface, that statement isn't necessarily farfetched.

> Their treatment of him never has anything to do with his gender. It's about his age and inexperience.

i sat through two seasons seeing all the males in the show being portrayed as either inept or irrelevant, and took the view that since in the world of SU the warrior class is predominantly female he was being held to that societal expectation

also; i am spelling Stephen correctly, it's everyone else that is wrong :B
(i'm irish, so i naturally spell it with the 'ph')

But what if his... PENIS get's in the way?!

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>But from the surface, that statement isn't necessarily farfetched.
No, but I wouldn't call it accurate either

The only male whose shown to be inept in this show is Lars, but that changes after he ends up dying. All the other characters who aren't Steven are irrelevant because you're comparing ordinary humans trying to live their lives to amazonian lesbian warrior rocks from outer space who regularly protect the planet from intergalactic threats

I think he is closer to being the anti-christ

>i sat through two seasons seeing all the males in the show being portrayed as either inept or irrelevant
Greg Universe is a pretty great dad right from the get go so I'm not sure what your talking about. As for the rest of the males in the show, I'd say it's more that the humans are all inept or irrelevant. Not just the males. (They get better)
>in the world of SU the warrior class is predominantly female he was being held to that societal expectation
What? The gems aren't a warrior class. They're aliens, who don't even really participate in human society. Most humans aren't even fully aware of them. The gems themselves aren't even really gendered, and not once do they disregard Steven because of his gender. And even when they do disregard him, because of his age, they still seem pretty hopeful, and encouraging that while he isn't ready yet, someday they expect great things of him. That's true from episode one.

Not only did you not watched the last three season, I fear that you never fully absorbed the first two. It seems like you watched them very passively, and didn't retain many important details.

>i am spelling Stephen correctly, it's everyone else that is wrong :B
Don't be obnoxious. You know how it's meant to be spelled.

>It seems like you watched them very passively,

compare and contrast with this

>If you had to work at watching a show, you're fucking pathetic.

i have repeatedly stated ITT that i worked really hard to get through season 2, and been berated for it

>Don't be obnoxious. You know how it's meant to be spelled.

yes, it's meant to be spelt with a 'ph' deriving as it does from the greek, but i did add a little :B face to show i wasn't being completely serious, and i even parenthesised a note to say i had naturally slipped into spelling the name in a form most familiar to me

i had thought that because the conversation had calmed down a little since earlier, i could make a little joke; but if you are so offended by such a slip then i can only assume that at best you are still seething at someone not liking what you like, or at worst you are very petty and more concerned with style over substance

if the latter, that doesn't bode well for someone who partakes in discussions of pop culture, because your blood will boil incessantly at people understanding shows better than you

IT WON'T

Speaking as an aspie, user: are you on the spectrum? You write as I would, as I frequently do, although our opinions differ.

>but if you are so offended by such a slip
Not offended, more like mildly irritated.
>at best you are still seething at someone not liking what you like
I don't even like Steven Universe that much. I just enjoy fruitful discussion, and that's impossible to do with someone who doesn't understand the material.
>at worst you are very petty and more concerned with style over substance
Yeah, no.
>if the latter, that doesn't bode well for someone who partakes in discussions of pop culture, because your blood will boil incessantly at people understanding shows better than you
You have demonstrated, quite clearly, that you don't understand the show at all, and I assure you my blood remains lukewarm.
>i have repeatedly stated ITT that i worked really hard to get through season 2, and been berated for it
You still seem to be laboring under the belief that people are upset that you don't like the show. No one cares that you don't like the show. What people are upset about about is that you insist upon inserting yourself into a conversation you do not fully understand, which slows down (Or in the case, outright halts) discussion between people who actually understand the material.

If you didn't like the show, that's fine. If you found it hard to enjoy, retain, or understand as a result, that is also fine. However, stop inserting your half baked opinions, assertions, and analysations into discussion regarding a topic you don't know much about.

>He's only "emasculated" because he's an empathic sort of kid, not whatever bitter creature life has made of you.
He's emasculated because, despite all his powers, he projects weakness. Steven has no grit, no toughness, no balls.

Why? Because he prefers to avoid violence when he can? He's pretty damn tough when he needs to be.

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>Steven has no grit, no toughness, no balls.

>Confirmed for never watching the show

nope, not on the spectrum -- i just drink good coffee and meet people with the same passion they bring to their favourite subjects

>Not offended, more like mildly irritated.

well i've been deeply offended several times ITT, but being called out for spelling Steven as Stephen was the last straw, for even when i explained my slip you thought i was being deliberately obnoxious, when if i really wanted to trol you would be rocking back and forth in a corner right now; for this mild dispute being taken as the most egregious assault on the sacred cow of SU, is a slight to my dignity and an affront to my art since it doesn't even rank in my top 10 arguments today

It's not about violence or ability, anons.

>well i've been deeply offended several times ITT
Okay
> when if i really wanted to trol you would be rocking back and forth in a corner right now
Ut oh, looks like we got a badass over here.
>the most egregious assault on the sacred cow of SU
Calm down, it's just a cartoon. Why do you still think that we care that you don't like it? We don't.
>it doesn't even rank in my top 10 arguments today
It wasn't even an argument. It was you pseudo-intellectually faffing about for four hours while the rest of us wasted our time.

Anyway, goodnight I guess. I'd say it's been fun but... It hasn't been.

>nope, not on the spectrum
Doubt

u mad

Then what is it about. Share with the class.

Mad..? Nah. I'm just disappointed.

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>it's a /pol/ and tumblr duke it out episode
it's all so tiring

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He was a female alien who became a male human. He's a tranny at best.

Imbecile.