Why are there a lot of Season 10 Apologists in the Simpsons fanbase?
Like every time someone on a forum or something says "seasons 1-9 were the classics", oftentimes someone else will butt in with "Hey man, include 10 too." Is it merely because 10 is a nice round number?
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Honestly, I hadn't thought about it before but season 10 was rock-solid.
nah it just season 10 has some good ones some bad ones its pretty 50-50 so some lean more on the bad for there opinion and some lean more on the good.
Many of those were total shit though.
Because most people only hate on the simpsons because it’s popular to do that online
S8 was the last good one desu
S9 still had a lot of good episodes. Fans who hate s9 are just kneejerking because of Le Principal and Le Pauper.
if your theory is that it's psychological, that 10 is a round number, I propose a competing psychological theory.
The reason that season 9 is considered the end of Good Simpsons is because of the episode "The Principal and the Pauper", a horrific episode that everyone can point to as the point at which the show's entire staff pissed on our heads and told us it's raining.
If we include season 10, which does indeed contain some rock-solid episodes, then we must forgive, or at least ignore, The Principal and the Pauper. And we are motivated to find a new episode to point to as the start of the downhill trend.
what's the new shark-jump episode, then?
From what I’ve seen, even 9 is stretching it. But I do consider 9 and 10 decent, transitional seasons before 11 comes and shits the bed.
>season 30
>have used pretty much every other character for the dvd box covers
>resort to a character who has not only been dead for 20 years, but isn’t even mentioned once in the entire season they’re on the cover of
Who the fuck could they choose for season 31 to stoop even lower?
>what's the new shark-jump episode, then?
Here's ones that I've seen from fans
Trash of the Titans
The Trouble with Trillions
When You Dish Upon a Star
Homer Simpson in "Kidney Trouble"
Sunday, Cruddy Sunday
Monty Can't Buy Me Love
Beyond Blunderdome
Take My Wife, Sleaze
Saddlesore Galactica
Alone Again, Natura-diddily
Bart to the Future
Kill the Alligator and Run
Homer vs. Dignity
Large Marge
Barting Over
I think I know who they could use...
I still can't believe Sheri and Teri are dead.
Those episodes are good though.
Honestly, I think people underrate seasons 9 and 10
They'll be back.
For me the show died with the Screaming Caterpillar sexually attracted to fire.
I think that was season 11.
It was 13
I'm just going to fucking say it.
The Great Money Caper is the best episode of The Simpsons.
Why do the only good Simpsons porn artists have such shitty fetishes?
Alone Again, Natura-diddly was the death of the show, in my opinion. There were still a few hidden gems afterwards, but they were hidden in a pile of steaming dog shit.
Also, if you don't like Large Marge you're unironically a low-test.
yes
if anything i can HANDLE simpsons until ABOUT season 14. then it wavers
>thinking everyone in the world has the same taste and opinion on the simpsons
Most, if not all of them, are.
Is Bleeding Gums Murphy already on one?
>I can't believe everyone was in on it.
>WILLY WASN'T!
Solid gold.
You probably won't agree with this assessment, but I'd wager that until Season 12, the good-to-bad ratio of episodes is still larger than what came afterwards. 12 less so, perhaps, but starting from 13 there's way more skippable episodes, and 14 is just unsalvageable in many ways. A few gems here and there (mostly just scenes within episodes really) but nothing remarkable.
However, yes, Season 12 had pretty good episodes. My personal selection:
Season 11:
>Beyond Blunderdome
>Brother's Little Helper
>Guess Who's Coming to Criticize Dinner?
>Treehouse of Horror X
>E-I-E-I-(Annoyed Grunt)
>Hello Gutter, Hello Fadder
>Faith Off
>The Mansion Family
>Alone Again, Natura-Diddily
>Pygmoelian
>Days of Wine and D'oh'ses
>Last Tap Dance in Springfield
Season 12:
>Skinner's Sense of Snow
>HOMR
>Pokey Mom
>Day of the Jackanapes
>New Kids on the Blecch
>Hungry, Hungry Homer
>Simpson Safari
>Trilogy of Error
>I'm Goin' to Praiseland
>Simpsons Tall Tales
Which episode made you feel the show was irredeemable?
The episode where Homer is absurdly bigoted towards the gay dude from the store and doesn't remotely change his mind at the end.
>Kill the Alligator and Run
Good heaven, this is one of the worst episodes of the series, period.
The Mansion Family is honestly one of my favorite episodes ever
>Beyond Blunderdome
6/10
>Brother's Little Helper
3/10
>Guess Who's Coming to Criticize Dinner?
7/10
>Treehouse of Horror X
5/10
>E-I-E-I-(Annoyed Grunt)
5/10
>Hello Gutter, Hello Fadder
3/10
>Faith Off
1/10
>The Mansion Family
7/10
>Alone Again, Natura-Diddily
6/10
>Pygmoelian
5/10
>Days of Wine and D'oh'ses
5/10
>Last Tap Dance in Springfield
5/10
>>Faith Off
>1/10
C'mon, that was a funny one.
>Skinner's Sense of Snow
4/10
>HOMR
5/10
>Pokey Mom
3/10
>Day of the Jackanapes
3/10
>New Kids on the Blecch
3/10
>Hungry, Hungry Homer
6/10
>Simpson Safari
0/10
>Trilogy of Error
3/10
>I'm Goin' to Praiseland
6/10
>Simpsons Tall Tales
4/10
that's what nostalgia does. kids who grew up with the bad seasons are gonna grow up and argue for it and then it becomes truth. I will bet you in 10-20 years, kids will argue for season 15. it's happening with spongebob too,
Lisa goes Gaga. It was the first episode I saw after a very long time not watching the show, and holly fuck it was bad, it didn't even make me smile and was just about how Gaga was awesome.
No.
Do they have to be? Can they please just...go away?
>Beyond Blunderdome
4/10
>Brother's Little Helper
3/10
>Guess Who's Coming to Criticize Dinner
6/10
>E-I-E-I-D'oh
5/10
>Hello Gutter, Hello Fadder
2/10
>Eight Misbehavin'
3/10
>Take My Wife, Sleaze
7/10
>Grift of the Magi
3/10
>Little Big Mom
5/10
>Faith Off
2/10
>The Mansion Family
7/10
>Saddlesore Galactica
3/10
>Alone Again, Natura-Diddily
6/10
>Missionary: Impossible
5/10
>Pygmoelian
5/10
>Bart to the Future
2/10
>Days of Wine and D'oh'ses
5/10
>Kill the Alligator and Run
1/10
>Last Tap Dance in Springfield
5/10
>It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad Marge
3/10
>Behind the Laughter
3/10
>A Tale of Two Springfields
-1/10
>Insane Clown Poppy
6/10
>Lisa the Tree Hugger
4/10
>Homer vs. Dignity
0/10
>The Computer Wore Menace Shoes
1/10
>The Great Money Caper
-1/10
>Skinner's Sense of Snow
4/10
>HOMR
4/10
>Pokey Mom
4/10
>Worst Episode Ever
7/10
>Tennis the Menace
2/10
>Day of the Jackanapes
3/10
>New Kids on the Blecch
3/10
>Hungry, Hungry Homer
5/10
>Bye Bye Nerdie
5/10
>Simpson Safari
0/10
>Trilogy of Error
3/10
>I'm Goin' To Praiseland
6/10
>Children of a Lesser Clod
1/10
>Simpsons Tall Tales
4/10
>Why do the only good Western porn artists have such shitty fetishes?
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Cream of the Crop
Seasons 4,5,6
Great
Seasons 3,7,8,9
Good
Season 1,2,10
Decent
Seasons 11,12
Meh-Shit
Seasons 13 and up
They're gonna use Krusty's father next.
>Insane Clown Poppy & I'm Goin' To Praiseland are the highest one
yeah its bait
Nah.
Here's the ones I disagree with.
Beyond blunderdome - another wacky Homer celebrity episode
Hello gutter hello fadder - some good jokes (Not lenny), but the plot was scatterbrained here with Homer committing suicide and Maggie becoming a super-baby
Alone again natura-diddily - Maude's death was handled poorly, with jerkass homer killing her. The tone in this episode was all off with the barrage of sex jokes, when it should've been more reserved/emotional.
Faith off - again, scatterbrained plot
Other ones are debatable.
People only liked Large Marge because they fapped to. It was retarded Family guy humor that didn't tonally match the Simpsons.
Would move season 2 up to great tier, but other than that nice job
it sadly gave marge more character than she knew what to do with. so they got rid of it, her wonderful breasts.
could have kept them for the rest of the season at least...
>Who the fuck could they choose for season 31 to stoop even lower?
Frank Grimes, to really hammer the "zombie Simpsons" message across.
That episode was fucking hilarious and progressive for its time, what chu talkin' bout Willace?
Should add. Bye, Bye Nerdie would be 3/10 but it gets boosted some by some god-level Lauren MacMullan animation.
When they killed Maude just to spite her VA for wanting a decent salary
>DVD commentary
Mike Scully says "[Maggie Roswell] took some time off from the show for personal reasons" because Fox wouldn't let them say the real reason.
The amount of sociopathic things Homer does starting in season 10, right up to actual manslaughter, makes me think that Mike Scully is at the very least a huge douchebag and at the most has bodies in his basement
Trash of the Titans won an Emmy...
Problem is, he wanted the show to be more accessible to his kids and they could not into something like Sideshow Bob Roberts or Bart Sells His Soul, so he figured they'd rather see Homer go on wacky adventures and get injured 250x every episode.
He also made his own wife and brother writers.
>progressive for its time
No it wasn't? Get out of here.
Yeah that. So basically he turned the show into a personal pet project for him and his dumbass relatives.
Mike Scully didn't go to Harvard like many of the writers, he had a blue collar upbringing in New England and moved to LA in his 20s where he worked shitty wagecuck jobs and worked as a writer for Yakov Smirnoff and eventually got hired by Dave Mirkin on the Simpsons. So he had a more humble background than someone like Al Jean and it probably explains his plebian tastes and love of crude humor.
the tony hawk episode or the bart rapping episode but lisa goes gaga gets a special mention for being the worst offender.
That episode where Rachel Maddow guest starred.
Opinion
>The amount of sociopathic things Homer does starting in season 10
It started in season 5.
And guess what parties joined the writing staff in Season 5?
Most of those episodes were fucking dogshit mate
Season 9 was in no way part of the "classics"
Probably the same reason there's a lot of Seasons 4-9 apologists in the SpongeBob fandom. People that grew up are more biased for it.
“Fans” who hate any of it are doing that.
Some people watched Simpson because it was a cartoon, not because it was a sitcom
I put the end of classic simpsons at s12 because that's as far as I'd expect people to remember the episodes. Katy Perry did some yvan eht nioj reference way after the fact, don't think Angry Dad would have worked.
>Cream of the Crop
>Seasons 4,5,6
WACKY HIJINX
Season 5 is Scully Done Right. A shitton of wackiness and almost non existant focus on emotion, just like the Scully seasons, but the characters remain likable and the jokes are so witty everything works.
An user of culture. S2 is superb.
Real talk, I prefer the best of S11/S12 to S10. It feels like Scully was mastering his own brand of fast paced, wacky humor by then. S10 has this awkward vibe of trying to marry the Simpsons of old with Scully's style and in several episodes it doesn't fully work.
Like I recall laughing much harder at the best of 11 and 12 than anything from 10.
I watched season 10 exactly once. It was unfunny and all the plots were nonsense that broke established characterisation and setting.
simmer down chucklehead
Honestly I think the show was okay until 12.
It's seasons 3-8 or arguably just 4-7 tb h
Mansion Family is unironically the last real Simpsons episode. It's so good.
>no 2
Morons who can’t see how good Principal and the Pauper is were never true fans in the first place.
Season 2 was pretty dull tho, it has like 3 or 4 good episodes but the rest was forgettable
don't you hate it when you see the same picture in every fucking thread
Simpson's Safari, pure garbage from the moment they land in Africa. There were many bad episodes before, but I found this one so offensively unfunny I could no longer defend the Simpsons from that point on.
You must have been watching your own ass because that does not describe this show.
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Yea Forums truly is dead
Season 10 was a definite tone shift, those episodes are very funny, but they feel loose, there is a kind of surrealism to them that makes them feel incongrous to the earlier material, so if you're a fan of the older material I'd understand why you'd make that distinction.
I think that's the same reason some people don't include season 1, but for the opposite reason, season 1 is very grounded and sentimental, and while funny doesn't deliver the same laughs as what came later.
>S10 has this awkward vibe of trying to marry the Simpsons of old with Scully's style and in several episodes it doesn't fully work.
Yeah I know what you mean, although I personally find that "transitional" vibe rather fascinating for its historical value in the show.
Some s10 episodes feel "late classic"/season 9-ish (Lard of the dance, Wizard of evergreen terrace, Bart the mother, THOH IX, Wild barts can't be broken, Lisa gets an a, Mayored to the mob, Homer to the max, 30 minutes over tokyo) while other s10 episodes feel more "early modern"/season 11-ish (Dish upon a star, Kidney trouble, Sunday cruddy sunday, Make room for lisa, Monty can't buy me love).
sneed
Season 9 still had a lot of good episodes, people mostly dismiss it because of Le Principle and le pauper, and most of the episodes, even the Scully ones (Cartridge family, This little wiggy, Das bus, King of the hill), still had the classic era vibe.
Season 9's not even a debatable classic like some say (that's season 10). Season 9 is, imo, a stone cold classic.
9 was still partially Oakley & Weinstein episodes. The worst stuff in there are mainly Scully ones.
Yeah it was pretty awful
ok, you listed the bad episodes
now tell us what the good ones where
More like Yea Forums is alive and Yea Forums is dead after they caught the guy who's been samefagging sneed this whole time and banned him
I think Prince and the Pauper is more gimmicky than bad. Or well, it was outdone horribly by Lisa Goes Gaga. Fuck that.
But even most of the Scully s9 episodes were good
Susprisingly, I did posted Sneed the other day in a Rocko thread. My post got deleted but all tranny bitching reached bump limit, the thread died with like 600+ posts.
How is this stooping low?
He’s part of the shows library. This isn’t a Madden game
>Simpson's Safari, pure garbage from the moment they land in Africa
I know, I hated the episode. I don't know why I included it in my list above, I must've forgotten to remove it while going through the list of episodes.
What does everyone think of the episode where we find out what happened to Smithers' father? What season was that?
>10 was rock-solid.
No, just no.
Season 13 is where it really starts to go to shit. I think the last episode I watched live and called it quits was when Bart befriended the old western movie star.
When they go to Brazil or when they meet Tony hawk. I remember those killing my interest on the show.
Homer getting raped by a panda
In case ppl don't remember, Homer finds his skeleton.
You are in every thread saying this.
So did Pickle Rick.
Emmy winner =/= good episode.
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Pickle Rick was an amazing episode and you only hate it because it was annoying as a meme.
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i am
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On forums people will often say that the classic era ended/decline began at season 10, but then "race to the bottom" fans frequently show up and say something like "No, the show was already a wretched shitfest by season 7", which boggles my mind.
only the shorts were good
>Yea Forums has a thread where in the replies it talks about how if you want real Simpsons threads go to Yea Forums
>sneedfags go to the Simpsons thread here and post Sneed in it
Pathetic
Why?
>Yea Forums makes sneed threads on Yea Forums just now
>all 404d immediately
>that one user is a representative to all sneedposters
>doesn't remotely change his mind at the end
Also kys if you don't watch the series.
based
dave and rose
Seasons 2 and 3 were fucking garbage.
Based
and
Gummipilled
That one wasn't the worst.
>The Parent Rap
2/10
>Homer the Moe
1/10
>A Hunka Hunka Burns in Love
3/10
>The Blunder Years
5/10
>She of Little Faith
3/10
>Brawl in the Family
5/10
>Sweets and Sour Marge
6/10
>Jaws Wired Shut
0/10
>Half-Decent Proposal
5/10
>The Bart Wants What It Wants
5/10
>The Lastest Gun in the West
6/10
>The Old Man and the Key
5/10
>Tales From The Public Domain
7/10
>Blame It On Lisa
6/10
>Weekend At Burnsie's
7/10
>Gump Roast
1/10
>I Am Furious (Yellow)
6/10
>The Sweetest Apu
4/10
>Little Girl in the Big Ten
6/10
>The Frying Game
-1/10
>Poppa's Got a Brand New Badge
7/10
The one where Homer buys a gun is an all time great
That message is and always has been retarded af
The Great Money Caper is the best episode of The Simpsons.
Eat shit. Bart the Mother is objectively the show's worst episodes ouside of Zombie Simpsons, though
Bart the Mother is pretty funny though.
Nah, I get more out of a LWIAY than that
Not even.
He didn't. He was still a jackass.
>Also kys if you don't watch the series.
Say what? I'm currently doing the unthinkable, rewatching Season 15. I actually hate this one because Homer doesn't learn a thing either.
Homer is not a man that learns things.
Madness. If anything is the opposite, 3 or 4 are weak (if not devoid of their moments) and the rest is gold. S2 is reeeeally witty.
at one point theyll go for hutz and ill be sad :<
wake me up when al jean + matt selman are dead
Maybe season 10 wasnt as great as the golden age, but It was still pretty great.
That was the first Simpsons episode which I found nothing to like. Al Jean’s seasons have a lot of episodes which land like wet sand.
Like half of those were good
I was still pretty young when the show got awful. I think it was The Italian Bob when I just thought the show became a mix of being too absurd while also being too boring.
The real answer is there isn’t one.
i usually tell folks 1-12 are a must see. everything else was throwaway
wow you must be interesting to talk to
>Inventor Homer
Not bad. Better than Zombie Simpsons ep, but weaker than eps before it.
>Talking pie
Same as above, but I really liked it
>Homer Jay Simpson
Meh.
>the REAL comptroller
Good.
>Bi-Mon-Sci-Fi-Con
I forgot about this ep, but always remembered BMSFC. Good episode, though.
>Las Vegas
Neat.
>Curfew episode
Fantastic.
>Super Bowl
Hated it, personally.
>MAX FUCKING POWER
Meh outside of memes, but they were great memes.
>Greenhorn
I liked it. The doorbell subplot was so stupid that I can't help but love it.
>Simpsons Bible Stories
>Le Grille
Good.
>MENSA
Not bad, it was fun.
>Japan
Good.
Its either incest bait, Sneed or the toddlercon fucker, this is what shitsons discussion has devolved now!
>Steam hams had a good run until FUCKING SHADMAN
>SHUDDERS IN CHILLS
Everyone has their own cutoff for when they stopped enjoying the show. Personally I feel the quality started dipping around season 9 but the show stayed good until season 14 and after that it becomes barely watchable and enters its zombie state.
I’m pretty sure they already used them.
>109290963
Underage report
People underrate all of it
Part of 13 including most of the worst episodes were Scully leftovers.
I believe Al Jean wanted to undo some of the damage caused by Mike Scully, but he didn't have good writers anymore and most of what he did have were people influenced by Scully.
I never liked 10 that much desu.
Season 9 is where Simpsons had a constant stream of bad episodes. Halfway through the season the episodes just turn meh.
>Marge sells homes
>Annoying Xmas episode
>Singing Clipshow
>Carnys
>Insurance Fraud
>That Ralph Episode
>King of the Hill
>nudist episode
>Lisa Episode
Half of season 9 is either bad or meh. While the rest either have great jokes or overall better quality.
So? What would be wrong with that?
>Boco hating on fictional females
never thought i'd see the day
I know, but that one is an Al Jean episode. He has demonstrated over his long reign that the number of episodes is more important than the quality.
I hate s. 7-8 more than any other seasons. Suddenly we get these weird drama-focused episodes that just feel so out of place. Lisa falling in love with Nelson, Flanders has a breakdown, Milhouse parents gets divorced, Mr. Burns has a son etc...
Homerpalooza is the worst, and then there's that ep. when BART drives a car and he, Milhouse, Martin and NELSON goes on a road trip. What the fuck.
>Flanders has a breakdown, Milhouse parents gets divorced
But these two are fucking great. God the Milhouse Divided one has that amazing ending.
That’s not what happened.
sneed
Bart on the Road is probably my favourite episode but doesn't seem to get mentioned a lot.
>I hate s. 7-8 more than any other seasons.
Pleeeeebbbbb
>The doorbell subplot was so stupid that I can't help but love it.
Just by reading this line, I heard the doorbell in my head. This was funny.
It's a really good episode. Glad to see it getting some praise in a literal Simpsons hate thread.
Does anyone else feel like there was a stretch, like s15-19, where the show wasn't funny but still a decent way to kill time? Grandpa summer house stack of comics type of feel.
Yep. When Spongebob seasons 4-5 came out they were widely considered abominations on fan forums. But now zoomers on Twitter are arguing that s4-5 are actually good and better than season 1.
>>E-I-E-I-D'oh
>5/10
well lad dee dah mr garaaage
Who died and made the Internet the leader of opinions?
The only true statement here is the porn artist one.
>Le Grille
What the hell is that?
I like the way you put that, and yes, I do
S11-12, for their faults, do have better/more fluid animation than s10. Episodes like Saddlesore galactica look great despite everything else.
I always say season 15 is the point of no return - there are no redeemable episodes beyond that.
There really aren’t any bad ones