Character is evil because... he is evil

>flop
>made three times it's budget back
I'm sick of this forced meme.

>A villain is only as good as their motivation!
>Not considering their personality, challenge they provide the hero, their actions and deeds, and their affect on the characters around them

A villain who's "right" can still be shit, and a villain who is evil for it's own sake can still be great

Do people genuinely not understand that, or is it something to parrot for guaranteed replies?

Incorrect. Cry harder Ladderbro.

>So what if it turned a profit?
>It didn't break box office records, so it was shit! Sequel never ever! Fans BTFO, how will they ever recover?

I like when a villain is just a real piece of shit. I mean you can give him a reason for being like that, but still just let him revel in his bastard nature. Like Sivana in Shazam. Or Mysterio in Spider-man FFH. Or Cobra Commander in the second GI Joe movie.

Mr. Mind wasn't the villain in that movie.

Also, these guys:
youtube.com/watch?v=whNU0ReguUQ
>I like the way they pop

It works.
youtube.com/watch?v=RKOErq1-okU

Porridge? They’ve beaten me with PORRIDGE?!

>Character is evil because he wears dark clothes and antagonises the hero for reasons that aren't important
>Character is evil because he is driven by some sort of flaw or vice (greed, lust for power, vanity etc.) at the expence of the well being of others
Simple isn't bad but shallow is.

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I'm going to explain the obvious and point that tbe 1st was shallow, and the 2nd simple.

>skaven are evil
Mmm those are lies lies manthing

>reasons that aren't important
Being a petty asshole is simple, not shallow.

Not every villain needs a tragic backstory to justify the way they are, especially in children's media.

PERFECT.

It's fine to be an unrepentant asshole when you lead a genocidal, ever expanding empire...and you can't be a genocidal, ever expanding empire without an unrepentant asshole as your leader.

Yeah but Clooney's a Portugese rat, and we all know the Portugese are a bunch of pricks, albeit slightly less prickish than the Spanish.

That's a good thing, backstories/twists/etc. can kill a villain, see Zoom from CW Flash S2.

You can do both though. Sivana had a shitty childhood but he still ends up an evil, irredeemable bastard.

I like it when a character ends up being an evil asshole not because, but DESPITE having a tragic past .

This was fun.
youtube.com/watch?v=vRIUSVwI3X8

Post villains being bastards.

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>Villain wants to cause chaos because the world is a little too peaceful and might dull people's minds

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You say that like it isn't real, have you seen political discussions? This god awful world is filled with monstrous, murderous maniacs.

SUfags btfo

>canine fucking shit

Friendly reminder that personality is ultimately what makes a good villain, not necessarily backstory.

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Exactly. Hurting other people is both fun to do and funny. Most people don't need a reason beyond that.

Quick question, what's a Yea Forums character you can think of that's Good, but for evil reasons? I'm making a chart right now.

Brian Jacques always wrote good as good and evil as evil. It made the conflict so much better because there was no ambiguity, both sides wanted the other dead and gone for their own sake. Nowadays it's all mock ethics and melodramatic grey area characters. There aren't nearly enough writers like Jacques.

>egomaniac
>treats everything like a game because she is objectively one of the most powerful people in the universe and has presumably been winning for so long that nothing has any urgency to her anymore
>virtually never brings up GIRL POWER ever, doesn't really give a shit about gender in the first place besides a bait and switch and as a tool for her own gain (uses masculinity to make herself sound hard and on her buff-ass power suit, uses femininity to seduce Hater)
>near-total autist that's only really good at doing bad guy stuff; couldn't carry a normal conversation with most people to save her life and doesn't understand the concept of friendship or relationships in general, and is incredibly lonely as a result because
>99% sociopath with a small amount of humanity to her that is so overshadowed and repressed by the rest of her horrible self-centered personality that it does nothing but bring her down on her off-time
>has a good handful of funny moments

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She isn't doing anything good for evil reasons.

waifufags can't read...

This is why you clarify "doing good" in the post so you don't just sound like you're asking about examples of well-written shitty people

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user what he said is pretty fucking clear. You're just retarded.

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The post was very clear, user.

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>good as in well-written or
>good as in good moral character

FUCK OFF

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Rebirth Lex was kind of like that, he was half trying to honor N52 Supe's memory and also trying to show up Superman.

It was capitalized dude, that always refers to Good as in Good and Evil.

>Needing exposition for everything
Brainlets like you belong on a cross.

You are why we get endless prequel films where we find out how a main character from an older, more competently made film got his boots from. You are why we are bombarded with asinine connections to unrelated media, with franchises of comic book and superhero films that just have to insert as many interrelated plot threads as possible, regardless of whether or not they go anywhere. Stories are about messages. If your message is "Aren't I clever?" fuck you.

Brian Jacques is a treasure and created characters which stood up against evil. You cannot convert the barbarian to enlightened Roman sensibilities while he is driving a battle axe into your fucking sternum.

good was capitalized, as in doing Good.

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>Outcast of redwall

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Fuck that weasel and fuck that book.

What's the best redwall book?

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Alright good to know, next time you still just fucking say "doing good"

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I liked the Marlfoxes and Martin the Warrior.

ESL

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The Bellmaker was good.

Good is never capitalized to reference the concept of good, in the same way that west is never capitalized to reference the concept of west.

You are one of those hideous people who Randomly capitalize Words In their Writing.

"though I cannot be said to be a flattering honest man, it must not be denied but I am a plain-dealing villain. I am trusted with a muzzle and enfranchised with a clog; therefore I have decreed not to sing in my cage. If I had my mouth, I would bite; if I had my liberty, I would do my liking: in the meantime let me be that I am and seek not to alter me."

>Still died in the end.
>Died hating his own existence because he could not change who he was at heart because of his species.

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Anytime the word good is written capitalized it is referring to the concept or the start of a sentence. You are either esl or poorly educated.

these tend to be the best types of characters they're just so much fun

Not just good but any proper noun at that.

This is not a widespread thing people do all the time buddy get a grip

Okay, guys cease the autism for a second, I still want some characters that fit what I asked for help with.
(I thought capitalizing Good would make sure this confusion didn't happen)

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Buddy you fucked up accept it.

Good is not a proper noun.

A word is not capitalized to reference the concept, see cardinal directions, flora, fauna, philosophical concepts such as consciousness, and so on.

It may be capitalized for authorial effect, but grammatically it is not necessary to capitalize a word to distinguish it from a concept.

Source: actual English teacher.

...

>It may be capitalized for authorial effect, but grammatically it is not necessary to capitalize a word to distinguish it from a concept.
So someone not familiar with the way people use things fucked up. Got it.

chicagomanualofstyle.org/qanda/data/faq/topics/Capitalization/faq0038.html

esl.fis.edu/grammar/rules/capital.htm

Literally no one does this, broham.

What did you want help with?

>Character is evil because... he is a lizard.
Lizard rights fucking when?

Non native speakers go home.

see

>Character is evil because... he thinks good is boring

>live in the most comfortable, worry free life imaginable in a middle ages society
>have basically a personal handmaiden who's determined to coddle you no matter what and deflects any rightful blame headed your way
>still be such a little shit you try to poison an elder for yelling at you

Fuck off Bryony

>Good, but for evil reasons

Was it that bad?

>good character for evil reasons

Like in the mercenary "Sure, I'll save you, but only for the gold" sense pr the "trying to do evil but actually doing good" sense?

>"Villain" isn't really evil, just criminally incompetent because they defer all of the real work to a bunch of scummy advisers.

>Heros confront "Villain" and they are genuinely horrified at what is actually happening beyond their walls.

Any other cartoons/comics that do this?

Closest thing I can think of is Big Weld from that Robots movie.

Are you saying that doesn't happen in real life?

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I was thinking something more like "giving away tons of free bikes so the bike store goes out of business" type of evil. They have an evil goal, but the way they go about achieving it is good, in a sense.

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>Villain has a luxurious, moe mustache

That's how it works in real life though

Lord Brocktree or The Bellmaker. I had a crush on Mariel as a kid.

Earth King from Avatar

O R A N G MAN B A D

What`s the most petty villain in /co?
Is there anyone who can challenge Black Manta?

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>a little asshole as a child
>betrays his race to Darkseid
>mind-rapes J'onn's wife, hoping to find the Anti-Life Equation in her mind
>kills his own mother when she tries to stop him from mind-raping
>kills THE ENTIRE MARTIAN RACE because they stole his telepathy to stop all that mind-rape
>comes to Earth just to fuck with J'onn
>kills one of J'onn's ladyfriends, just to frame J'onn for the crime
>tortures Jemm, Son of Saturn, so that he can frame J'onn for it
>goes Josef Mengele on a bunch of innocent people so that he can frame J'onn for it
Ma'alefa'ak is the petty dickhead that most villains could only dream of being.

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As long as they're stylish enough it's fine

Mao Mao seems to only like being a hero for his father's affection and too feed his unbelievable ego
He even gives a bunch of straight evil laughs in the show

>Villains' motivations are unironically better and more justified than the heroes'
What's their name Yea Forums?
DANTE MUST DIE MODE: It's intentionally written like that

Holy fucking shit. Clooney the Scourge was probably the last character I'd expect to see on Yea Forums in fucking 2019. I just assumed that i was the only one that knew that cartoon existed and everyone else who watched just died or something.

>When it's easier to pretend the world is a cartoon with over the top super villains than to actually understand the motivations of others.
Man, I just love liberals.

That's fine though. Some people are just cunts. It's honestly more realistic than absolute every villain having a sob story behind them.

I watched that ages ago

>The wealthy elites like trump
>Commies like trump
WEW
>All those clowns
Just what exactly are they supposed to represent?
Also, why are people so fucking obsessed with trump's tweets?

Being a petty asshole is usually driven by sadism or a power trip.
A story just has to show somehow what the villain is getting out of it.

>When you completely misunderstand someone's motives because they give a rousing rally speech with the angry words you want to hear, and willfully ignore their well-documented past behavior.
Trumptards, played like a fiddle.

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You know what? I'm more for evil people being evil due some tragic sequence of events, but a character who at least is an evil asshole because he likes it is also needed and honestly I'm missing those types as long as they are also an entertaining type.

He even shat in Barry's pants. He's pure asshole evil for horribly petty reasons.

actually getting tired of "they're not bad, they're misunderstood" characters

Kuvira.

Some people in real life actually do just get off on bullying others, some people are habitual liars and scammers, and some people want the success and power almost everybody else wants but have zero empathy or compassion holding them back, so yes, a lot of real people resemble "evil for the sake of evil." Obviously they have reasons for it that I just gave, but they are very simple reasons. Every bad person isn't just troubled and hurting inside.

BRAVO JAQUES

1992

Seconded. Characters that just love being evil are the best.
You do you man. Keep living your best life.

HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS
AND HE LOVES IT

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>allegedly a Portuguese rat

So who were you gonna vote for? The shriveled up lying harpie whose long political career is stained with American blood?

Or the even more shriveled up retard who wants to try a fucked up system of governing that has been responsible for MILLIONS of deaths because "lol free shit dude"

Talk about a well documented history. Also,

And we all know who to thank for that trend...

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