Why is it they have animated movies/shows and TV on lockdown but can't properly make a cinematic universe?

Reminder to report Ladderbro posts
Personally, I was use the Pattinson Batman movie as a jumping off point and start the universe again from there, set in the 90s and early 2000s. Introduce a new Superman who's comparable in age with Pattinson, keep Gal as WW because WW84 is already set close to where a Batman movie would be and that retcons BvS and just gradually phase out the other stuff.

>Thread about the DCEU
>Spamming "Dcuck" faggot appears and shits it up
How predictable

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It's ladderbro, just ignore him and report it.

The other thing they could do is keep Battinson on Earth 2 with a new Superman, then do a mini Crisis and merge those two Earths

>>It's Snyder's fault DC movies are shit
Considering all the DCEU movies that aren't his happen to be well-liked, yes.
>>Why don't they just adapt the shitty cartoons from my childhood
Those "shitty cartoons" were successful, though.
>>DC is still winning in animation even though Marvel has 2 best animated oscars, the only animated DC show is Teen Titans Go, and the last time I saw a DC movie was Under the Red Hood
"The Batman" cartoon show won several awards as did the Batman: TAS episode "Heart of Ice". Also Young Justice is still going and is immensely popular.

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>There's been hundreds of "How do we fix DC?" threads
Those are only concerning the movies. No one argues DC's superiority in TV and anything animated.

>Lockdown
user their animation hasn't been up to quality in years. Hell the only good thing since that shit heap Justice League War was Batman vs TMNT. Their animated shows, save for maybe Green Lantern TAS, hasn't been great either.

their movies reek of corporate meddling and studio executives butting in to the process where they don't belong

It was like a marriage between two juggalo meth heads (Snyder and WB execs) that results in a baby drowning in a bathtub

They should try a new Justice League movie in the future and keep the references like Aquaman and Wonder Woman did but I don't think being so merged like MCU would be a good idea.

MCU universe is so merged that Thor 3 and Captain America 3 were de facto Avengers movies instead of Cpt A or Thor movies, I didn't like that at all, keep the crossovers to Avengers/JL movies instead.

>what is Young Justice
Besides Marvel hasn't exactly one-upped them in that market.

I'm reposting an from Yea Forums that I posted for a Justice League saga
I've always had this idea running through my head of like a 5 or 6 arc JL story about the break down between Superman and Batman over diverging views of how the JL should be handled and their eventually reconcile

The first JL movie would be about them coming together to stop Starro and it would introduce Martian Manhunter, who uses his telepathy to help remove Metropolis from Starro's control and he and the rest of the JL drive him back to space and Manhunter is official a new member of the JL. Batman would be apprehensive of increasing the size of the Justice League.

The second movie would introduce the Dominators, who's numbers are so great, that the JL lead to call in new heroes like Shazam, Black Canary, and others into the league for help. The Dominators eventually set off their metabomb, which activates the metagene a percentage of the human population, which causes new heroes and villlains. At the end, Superman wants to have these new heroes join the JL, Batman however vetoes the idea, fearing that the growing number of JL members would cause conflicts with the world governments At the end, Batman's general paranoia leads him to either his contingency plan or brother eye to deal with the possible threat of metahumans.

They used to have animated films in lockdown, but after Death/Rise of Superman and Young Justice, I'm not so sure. They just need to do a "52" Reboot across all mediums.
Also, when did we start snitching on trolls to create a safe space?
If DC fans are that thin skinned, you really need to go back to r/DC. Seriously, just ignore anti-DC posts. It's easy to do ;)

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>Why is it they have animated movies/shows and TV on lockdown
Says who? Their animated movies have been awful since they started adapting the New 52 shit. It's so bad i feel DC is tarnishing the legacy of their good animation.

Neither have been doing great animation wise, at least not in recent years
>YJ
An unfocused mess

>Why is it they have animated movies/shows and TV on lockdown
they haven't, all that crap is even worse then their movies.

The 3rd movie, the Legion of Doom, who had been recruiting in the movies between these JL league movies, eventually gets a hold of the contingency plans or hacks brother eye and takes the JL to their limits and eventually destroys the Hall of Justice. Eventually, the damage is done, the Hall of Justice is destroyed and it is considered a lose by the JL. Batman tells the League about the contingency plans and he takes responsibility for this, but he's not remorseful, he feels that it was the right thing to do. After building the Watchtower, the Hall of Justice's replacement, he resigned for the team, feeling that they don't want regulation, SM, feeling the LoD incident was a defeat, expands the JL like wanted to. Batman creates the Outsiders in a different movie as his new team. At the end, we see G. Gordon Godfrey on TV explaining that the JL have become a militaristic power that's a threat to humanity.

4th one would be Amanda Waller and world governments creating Amazo to protect themselves against the JL. Amazo eventually is corrupted by Dr. Ivo. It was also kick off something like a Superhero arms race, which would result in the Justice League of China, that one Russian Superhero team that I don't remember. This would also end up with the creation of the Justice League International and Captain Atom

The last two movies is Darkseid's invasion, Batman returns to help the league, and Darkseid's temporary defeat, he'd be back. After much debate, Batman decided to return to the Justice League
I haven't thought out the last 3 movies much, but my general idea would be the ever growing concern of the prospect of a metahuman population run amok and the conflict that is generated when the world governments see a power they can't fully control. This would also allow for a Kingdom Come movie

>They used to have animated films in lockdown, but after Death/Rise of Superman and Young Justice, I'm not so sure
By "lockdown" I mean Marvel has yet to challenge them in that market. You'll definitely hear more about YJ than you will about those attempts at Avengers cartoons.
>Also, when did we start snitching on trolls to create a safe space?
Ladderbro tends to shit up DC threads with the same outdated garbage.

Here's a better idea; Stop doing this shared universe bullshit. Back when DC animated movies were good, they weren't concerned with intertwining them to one another. Like who gave a shit if Crisis on Two Earths was or was not connected to Superman Vs The Elite? Justice League War and onward has been stupid

>They used to have animated films in lockdown, but after Death/Rise of Superman and Young Justice, I'm not so sure.
Batman vs TMNT was great
>If DC fans are that thin skinned, you really need to go back to r/DC. Seriously, just ignore anti-DC posts. It's easy to do ;)
Not really when your autistic ass spam more shitposts the than rest of the thread posts combined, and we all know you were the first one to celebrate when mods deleted Anti Dr doom posts

>Justice League War and onward has been stupid
I personally liked Reign of the Supermen and JL Dark.

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So this is the superiority of DC animation

You've shitty taste. Sorry, but it is the truth.

>they have animated movies/shows and TV on lockdown

They don't. Havr you seen what cartoons they are spitting out lately? There is nothing of value in there. But i understand why for someone stuff like the CW series are a guilty pleasure.

>they haven't, all that crap is even worse then their movies.
Trolling used to be an art.

I haven't seen Reign of the Superman because I'm so over Death of Superman. So obviously I can't comment on it. JLD was dumb and had forced Batman in it. In fact the only good part was probably the Felix Faust fight.

Goddamn. I hate everything about DC animation after 2011.
He's not wrong. I'd watch BvS ten times over before watching any of the recent animated movies.

Eh i thought Lego Batman and Batman vs TMNT were pretty good

>Havr you seen what cartoons they are spitting out lately?
DC Superhero girls and Young Justice, both pretty good

OP here. When I said they have a "lockdown" on animated movies/shows and TV, I meant is that they've reigned supreme in those markets compared to Marvel.

Lego Batman doesn't even feel something DC would produce. Specially in this post-New52 shit reality we live in.

They are doing pretty well even when not compared to Marvel.

>JLD was dumb and had forced Batman in it
It was either him or Wonder Woman. Besides he barely did a thing compared to Zatanna and Constantine.

Speaking of animated movies, DC should more animated movies based on their more lower tier characters.
I think Kamandi, Amethyst Princess of Gemworld, and Metal Men would make for great theatrical movies

>Young Justice
>good
I'm sorry, but what?

It still counts, right?

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Hey, you are entitled to have shit taste.

I mean SOMEONE out there likes YJ. Otherwise it wouldn't be getting renewed.

Do you trust them to handle these properties well? They couldn't even do fucking Hush without making a mess of it. HUSH!

>I'd watch BvS ten times over before watching any of the recent animated movies.
Whoa now lets not say things we can't take back. At least the animated films are shorter. But yes DC animated movies have been VERY disappointing since 2014.
Who gives a shit if the quality is bad? The only reason why Marvel hasn't bothered to up their animation department is that they're content with the crap they have now, and focus more on raking in movie money
I would have preferred Wonder Woman, and him not doing anything is part of the fucking problem. He shouldn't be there at all, and yet is because of branding. That's not a plus.

looks like they also deleted my post cause it had constructive criticism about DCEU - idk what's happened to this place but I'm f'n out, thx for the memories and enjoy the circlejerk

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So you're saying DC wins because Marvel isn't bothering even though Marvel has way more animated shows currently airing and is soon going to have even more with What If and the Hulu cartoons. And as for live action tv Legion, runaways, cloak and dagger are all miles better than any of the CW shit

>They are doing pretty well even when not compared to Marvel.
Yeah but for some reason everyone likes to compare movies when concerning DC vs. Marvel.

YJ used to be good. This will sound crazy, but i feel that CN having a tight control of it was something good, because clearly all the liberty didn't do the show any good.

They wouldn't be made by the people who do the DVD movies. WAG, for the most part, has made some pretty good movies and those would make for pretty good theatrical movies.

I'll take "Things that didn't happen" for 400, Alex. Ladderbro doesn't count

Why would you want a cinematic universe anyway? That shit is already done to death and all it leads to is movies being written and directed by algorithms.

>Lego Batman doesn't even feel something DC would produce
It feels like a Lego movie which is what it actually is

You realize Snyder has credits on both Wonder Woman (two for Wonder Woman) and Aquaman, right?

And Wan directly credits Snyder for Aquaman being the way it is:

cinemablend.com/news/2465375/zack-snyder-supposedly-helped-james-wan-undo-some-of-joss-whedons-justice-league-changes

Why do you have to create starwmen to cope with the fact people have different taste than you? I read lots of comics, from Watchmen to Silver Age Curt Swain stuff to Eisner to Mobieus and really just whatever I can get my hands on, and I liked Watchmen a lot. I'm just not hung up on the fact they changed the ending.

>So where doess DC go from here now that he's finally out of their hair

He is still producing most of their upcoming movies.

All of the ones that are well like are his too. Also good job taking the obvious bait.

Stop these casual threads and go read some actual comics.

>circlejerk
>half of the thread is criticism
Get fucked

>preferring JL:War Wonder Woman
You know what, i'd rather be happy with the monotone Batman.

Married to a higher-up WB exec and after 300 was considered the "comic book guy" in the company.

You should no by now that it's illegal to say bad things about DC. That's why there are no threads about their newest flop movie that's being torn to shreds by critics.

>Marvel has way more animated shows currently airing
That no one here ever talks about and are just god awful ladderbro, especially the animation

>Legion
ending

>runaways, cloak and dagger
We never talk about them

You realize that giving a couple of hints =/= directing a whole movie right?

>and him not doing anything is part of the fucking problem
Well he was helpful in some aspects, but the main focus was on Constantine, Deadman, and Zatanna.
>He shouldn't be there at all, and yet is because of branding
The name literally had "Justice League" in it, a JL member had to be in it either way. Might as well choose the most popular member.

Snyder only has credit in those movies because he got the ball rolling on this shitheap of a cinematic universe. Geoff Johns was the only reason Aquaman was worth a damn.
>preferring JL:War Wonder Woman
I never said nor implied that. In fact this shared animated universe is trash and I want it gone. However having A Wonder Woman would have been fine

I never said he directed Wonder Woman or Aquaman, nobody did you retard.

Re-read my original post and point out where I said that (I didn't).

Nigger, have you seen the thread? Most of it is criticizing the state of DC media

Also no one cares about the Kitchen

What's wrong with Bloodlines? The designs look neat, and they at least show they remember Silver Swan.

Fuck off with that nonsense. The team is literally called "Justice League Dark", and didn't require Batman or any of the JLA

Ladderbro, your posts are incredibly transparent. You're literally the only one who ever post about the Kitchen. No one else cares.

I haven't noticed up until this post, there are people who are announcing it, this is a fucking new low. Someone really has some insecurity problems if a little shade about DC triggers them so much. Pretty disgusting.

Are you a crazy person or just retarded?

Wan, the director, DIRECTLY credits Snyder in that interview. Are you really going to contradict the director?

Also funny that you say Johns is why Aquaman is worth a damn when he only has a story credit, which Snyder has on Wonder Woman. By your own retarded logic, Snyder is the only reason Wonder Woman is worth a damn.

So if Yea Forums doesn't talk about them they don't matter? That's some Yea Forums level stupid.

>The team is literally called "Justice League Dark", and didn't require Batman or any of the JLA
Except Constantine and Co. weren't part of the JL during the movie. They become part of it at the end.

>runaways, cloak and dagger
And how many people do you see talking about those compared to Flash or Arrow?

Do they still even air???

No one talks about those shows in general. Did you know there's a clock and dagger/ Runaways crossover happening? I'm sure you didn't, but you do know that Crisis on Infinity Earths is happening

No, the JLD is independent from the JLA in most cases. The film could have focused entirely on them without Batman or the JLA. Wouldn't make much difference because the script was shit, Constantine was a spell throwing fag, Swamp Thing did jack shit, Doctor Destiny was WAY off, and we had that shit Goth Zatanna

Only the mouse/mcu is allowed a cinematic u thanks to sycophantic critics who have let more than a few slip by them. Everyone else has failed with their's as well. They shouldn't have gone full in with Snyder either.

>Do they still even air???
Yes, but Runaways is Hulu exclusive and C&D on some backend channel so they don't get that much clout.

Since i hate to be all glum and doom about DC, because i'm a huge fan, i'll say this... while i not only fucking hate, BUT FUCKING DESPISE the current state of their animation i've to say that at least they're doing alright when it comes to TV series with stuffs like TITANS, DOOM PATROL, and so on.

But fuck their animated movies tied to the New 52 shit. Simple fuck it. Fuck also their soulless attempt to "Rebirth" it by adapting the classics such as Death of Superman and Hush - while fucking the adaption up by including shit from the previous awful movies. Just fuck the whole thing. Changing the costumes and doing some classic stuffs won't change the fact that this animated universe is made of terrible movies riffled with awful characterizations, dumb changes, ill fitting over-the-top violence, cringe sexual fanservice, and other stupidity. You can't salvage this shit. Abort it. Fire everyone responsible for it. Specially the voice workers. Never seen more uninspired voice work.

But yeah... the TV shows are good.

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I'm surprised how much better Titans has gotten. The new season is looking pretty nice too.

Right back to ya

>Also, when did we start snitching on trolls to create a safe space?

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Heard about the second season? Apparently Robin will have a harem.

I never said that you said he directed, I just said that him being involved does not give him relevant credit for their sucess,saying that "I approve you doing X" is not enough to say that a movie is good because of him, specially when Wan and Patty where getting praised in other projects while he was failing.

>Apparently Robin will have a harem.
Man is there a female character Dick HASN'T fucked?

Catwoman?

Selina "I got a fever, and the only restriction is more BatCock" Kyle doesn't count.

Perscription*

Their cartoon movies were good outside this "shared animated universe"
>crisis of 2 earths
>under the red hood
>Batman year one
>Superman vs The Elite
>The Dark knight part 1
>The dark knight part 2
>Gods and Monsters
>Gaslight
>Lego Batman
>Batman vs TMNT

All this decade

>>crisis of 2 earths
>>under the red hood
>>Batman year one
>>Gaslight
>>Batman vs TMNT
Mein neger.

I hate how underrated crisis of 2 earths is, such a great movie.

Other good films include
>Green Lantern First Flight
>Assault on Arkham
>Justice League Doom

>>Assault on Arkham
Wasn't that just an Arkhamverse advertisement?

I honestly don't understand why they just don't give up on this failure of a shared universe.

It's almost like all those things are run by and created by completely different people who have nothing to do with each other

Eh, it's heavily inspired by that universe but it was still fun thanks to Boomerang, King Shark, and Killer Frost

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>saying that "I approve you doing X"

Except that isn't what he did. He literally has a STORY and producer credit on Wonder Woman, and he was responsible for casting Gal.

He even won an AFI award for Wonder Woman, which means he must have been involved more than you imply.

As for Aquaman, not only does he have a producer credit and cast Mamoa, here is the quote from the article posted earlier in the thread:

"James Wan was showing Zack Snyder - against the studio's wishes - James Wan was showing Zack Snyder cuts of the movie and early test screenings and storyboards to make sure that they're on the same page with what he originally wanted and Snyder gave his blessing of approval, liked everything that he did and kinda brought it back to the character that he wanted it to be all along."

He was involved throughout the entire pre-production and production process and Wan basically ran everything by him.

I've provided sources showing that he did more than what you said, now you provide some evidence to support your theory. Or continue to be blinded by your hate for this man who just had a different vision than you, and keep crying that he had no role in these movies, despite the creators of these movies saying he did.

>>Superman vs The Elite
Absolutely patrician taste.

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Not him but I will say that Snyder is decent at most things except directing.

They hired Snyder because Nolan personally picked him.

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I don't think that's even true, he is a great director, people have problems with the STORIES of BvS and MoS, which he didn't write or have a story credit on.

Well, no such thing as a perfect director.

None of your sources give him enough influence to take the credit over the movie sucess, he's not the main writer or director or producer, the movie didn't suceed because of him

All the movies where he actually directed failed (MoS,BvS,JL) even before DCEU he was already fucking up(Sucker Punch)

so he got the job thanks to nepotism

Man I fucking hate how reliant DC is on their cape properties. They have all of these great characters and stories that aren't just capes and tights. Constantine, Jonah Hex, Sgt. Rock, Enemy Ace, great characters that are never used because they don't dress up in a garish costume and shoot laser beams out of their cock. That is not to say I hate super heroes, I just want more variety in my comic books and comic book brands.

Also he had the same involvement with Suicide Squad as well.

This. DC needs to adapt more vertigo stories.

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MoS and BvS didn't fault.

>he is a great director

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>None of your sources give him enough influence to take the credit over the movie sucess

Nowhere did I say the movies are successful because of him. Go find a part where I said that. I am giving him exactly as much credit as he deserves, which is that he did have a hand in their creation and them being successful, but he is not the sole reason they are. Him being part of their success =/= them being successful because of him. Stop making up arguments no one is making just so you have something to argue against.

Also neight MoS nor BvS failed, they each made profits but people like you spew that BvS failed because you made up some ridiculous goal BvS had to meet that comes from nothing.

You kidding? DC's been shoving that smelly limey fuck Constantine down our throats since 2011.

What a shitty list, he wasn't a screenwriter on BvS.

Also

>Rotten Tomatoes

AHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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You'd also have to have your head so far up your own ass to realize the inherent tonal differences between the movies not directed by Snyder and the ones that are.

Like gee, I wonder what the reason behind Aquaman grossing over 1 billion dollars and being critically financial in comparison to Man of Steel is? Despite the fact that they both follow nearly the exact same basic plot structure and aim to achieve the same basic idea of reinventing an old hero for a new generation. Hmmmmmm...

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>being critically financial

Yikes, you are retarded!

>Despite the fact that they both follow nearly the exact same basic plot structure

Lmao, what? When does Superman go an inflitrate an underwater society and fight in a gladiator match? When is Superman's mom killed when he is a child? When does Superman win a dead king's armor from a monster by talking to it? When is there an underwater war that Superman takes part in?

You sound insane making such a comparison. Jesus christ, I don't even like the Snyder movies, but people like you make Snyderfags seem like genuises.

>Why is it they have animated movies lockdown?
What? What was the last DC animated movie to do anything? Mask of the Phantasm did VERY modestly.
Where is DC's Big Hero Six, or even Spider-Verse?

There's a universe where Snyder made a career as a respected cinematographer. Sadly, that's not this universe.

>Despite the fact that they both follow nearly the exact same basic plot structure

AHAHAHAHAHA WHAT?!??!?! Where was all the royal politics in MoS? Where is the Black Manta scene equivalent? Where is the fucking going through the desert to find a magical artifact? AHAHAHAHA, holy shit you are a dumb muther fucker.

Nice one

Now explain why Shazam bombed and The Kitchen, Joker, and Birds of Prey are giant piles of shit even though Snyder had absolutely nothing to do with any of them

You get the point.

>Now explain why Shazam bombed
It didn't
>Joker, and Birds of Prey
Not released yet

Done

>Where is DC's Big Hero Six, or even Spider-Verse?
2021 will be DC's year just you wait

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t.Mousedrone bringing up Shazam and Joker

I gave up hope on the movie portion of DC the moment goyer came out and shat in Martian manhunter. Now I’m not the biggest fan of MM but it really seems like DC could’ve made him their nick fury and been the guy who brought the league together but nope of course that had to be Batman because no one at Warner has anyone who likes comics involved with production

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Lego Batman

>Hero is from another world but has grown up in a smalltown environment, unaware of his powers until adolescence
>Has a father-figure that knows about his origins who gives him advice on it and is put in danger by a natural disaster
>Hero initially rejects the call to adventure, but accepts upon learning that his loved ones are to be put in danger
>Villain is a twisted foil to the hero, who seeks to restore his society back to its former glory by wiping out humanity
>Hero is faced with the moral decision of whether to kill the villain
Only differences I can see is that whislt Aquaman was great and loved by everyone, Henry Cavill's moved onto Mission Impossible and a Netflix video-game adaptation whilst Superman can't even have his face appear in movies anymore.

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>Also neight MoS nor BvS failed, they each made profits but people like you spew that BvS failed because you made up some ridiculous goal BvS had to meet that comes from nothing.

Nah man, that's just wrong, on two fronts.

First because, when talking about these big franchise movies, it's not enough to just make a profit. Failure at this level doesn't mean not making money, it means not being enough of a mega-hit to justify both the enormous production budget and continue driving interest in the greater franchise. The interconnectedness of a cinematic universe that is the strength of the structure is also its weakness, because it puts huge pressure on every movie to perform like crazy.

Second, the expectations for BvS didn't come from nothing. If you do some Googling about industry expectations leading up to it, analysts were sure it'd make a billion easily. It didn't, and that was a bad sign for such a high-profile tentpole movie.

>Joker, and Birds of Prey
What is out is more than enough to know they're going to be awful though.

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Because they have competent people in charge of the divisions. The movies not only have to deal with all the execs wanting say, but in the end they chose Zack fucking Snyder to make the first ever connected DC cinematic universe. Fucking insanity.

>enormous production budget a

Sorry, that should be

>enormous production and marketing budget

>Why is it they have animated movies/shows and TV on lockdown
Since when? Their TV shows are hot garbage and their animated films have been pretty shit and at best mediocre.

>Why is it they have animated movies/shows and TV on lockdown
You must be trolling.

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The Age of Snyder is thankfully over. Mankind is free. The only people left in his cult are the truly mentally ill who screech about the #releasethesnydercut.

Hopefully DC's movies can some day recover from the shit he spewed on the world.

>Titans
>Swamp Thing
>Lucifer
>Doom Patrol
>Krypton
Are great
>animated films

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>Why is it they have animated movies/shows and TV on lockdown
Is this post from 10 or 15 years ago? DC's been shit in those departments too for ages now.

lmao, you had to boil it down to the BROADEST of strokes to make them work. That isn't even structure, you've reduced it beyond structure to just general themes and character notes.

Like you basically just cited small chunks of the hero's journey, so good job showing how ignorant you are of storytelling.

Also Aquaman's father isn't put in danger by a natural disaster, what are you talking about? The tsunami is explicitly sent BY Orm, which makes it not natural. God you are retarded.

I bet your parents are ashamed of you.

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>here is a made up threshold for how well these movies have to succeed pulled out of my ass
>nah man just google it! Other people on the internet totally made up what they thought the studio wanted, so that means they know! For real!
Thanks for the good chuckle.

>nah man just google it! Other people on the internet totally made up what they thought the studio wanted, so that means they know! For real!

If by "other people on the internet" you mean "the professional industry analysts that studios look to", then sure.

Every movie is analyzed this way and has expectations about performance. At the blockbuster level the expectations for performance is higher. They can't just do okay or break even, they have to be home runs to justify continuing spending at those levels.

If you really don't know that, you're not capable of participating in this discussion.

I don’t think it’s that they couldn’t show his face in Shazam (beyond the fact they couldn’t get cavil) but I think they just didn’t want to be beholden to any actor until they can find another to try to put this shit back together

>Titans
God awful

>Swamp Thing
Canceled

>Lucifer
Ending

>Doom Patrol
>Krypton
No one talks about those

Except they do talk about them. Also just because Swamp Thing was canceled and Lucifer is ending doesn't mean they were bad

>No one talks about Doom Patrol
ladderbro mad as fuck no one cares about the Runaways or Cloak and Dagger

I'll break it down for you. No one buys the books with those characters in them. Jonah Hex only had his solo series, and later All-Star Western, because Didio likes the character and is good friends with Palmotti. You want to see more of those characters? Convince enough people to buy books in non-cancellation numbers.

> you mean "the professional industry analysts that studios look to", then sure.

LMAO, okay buddy. I find your points so fucking funny, because I actually work in the industry and your armchair Hollywood ignorance is astounding, straight out of Redddit.

Point to one of these "analysts" that are actually employed by Warner Bros that said what you are implying. I'll wait.
>they have to be home runs to justify continuing spending at those levels.

So that's why Warner Bros cancelled all of their upcoming superheroe movies? That's why Shazam, despite making a meger profit in the theaters, got a sequel and spin off announced?

Let me tell you something kid, over 1/3 of a movie's profit is made after the box office, due to home release sales and selling television and streaming rights. Not to mention the ridiclous amount of money studios make from promotional tie ins that aren't even counted as being part of a movie's gross or profits.

Funny how that kind of information was absent from your post. If you really don't know this stuff, you're not capable of paricipating in this discussion. :)

Literally no one in the cast or crews of either of those shows gives a fuck about them either
>t. someone who works on C&D

>At the blockbuster level the expectations for performance is higher. They can't just do okay or break even, they have to be home runs to justify continuing spending at those levels.

HOLY SHIT YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOO STUPID.

Let's look at Captain America: The First Avenger

>Production Budget: $140 million
>Total gross: $370,569,774

Traditional wisdom is you double the budget for marketing costs, so First Avenger made nearly no profit (not taking into account that theaters get at least 1/3 of gross).

Definitely not a home run, but yet they still made more Cap movies. HMMMMM, it's almost like you are a full of shit and don't know what you are talking about.

>let's compare a movie from 8 years ago to a movie from a few months ago
Great idea dumbass

their characters are too disparate to make work in a shared universe. Characters like Superman and Batman have their own universes with their own cities, and their stories always work better individually.

>Half the thread replied to dead posts
Marvel should get their own board at this point

Are you retarded? Where, in my post, did I ever compare First Avenger to any other movie? I didn't, and you are a retard.

>LMAO, okay buddy. I find your points so fucking funny, because I actually work in the industry and your armchair Hollywood ignorance is astounding, straight out of Redddit.

Sure, and I'm CEO of Warner Bros.

>So that's why Warner Bros cancelled all of their upcoming superheroe movies?

That's why WB completely changed course on their superhero movie strategy and retooled, yes, which resulted in...

>That's why Shazam, despite making a meger profit in the theaters, got a sequel and spin off announced?

Yes, that's the point. They've abandoned the big shared universe approach, which freed up their other movies and took the pressure off. They can make smaller one-off movies with lower expectations.

If you want an example of the kind of expectations being set-up pre-release:

thewrap.com/batman-v-superman-targets-150-million-at-u-s-box-office-350-million-globally/

hollywoodreporter.com/news/batman-v-superman-inside-warner-878208

And a good analysis of why the movie was a commercial disappoint and an audience disaster:

forbes.com/sites/scottmendelson/2016/04/29/box-office-batman-v-superman-dawn-of-justice-was-a-855m-wash/#110efff72325

But what would Forbes or the Hollywood Reporter know compared to a random poster who claims to be in the industry?

I get the feeling that I could provide all of the sources and hard numbers in the world and you'd still just reply LMAO every time because you don't know shit.

>They can't just do okay or break even, they have to be home runs to justify continuing spending at those levels.
>Except for movies made 8 years ago, they totally can.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOUR BACKTRACKING IS UNREAL!

>Point to one of these "analysts" that are actually employed by Warner Bros that said what you are implying. I'll wait.

Amazing how you still are unable to do that and completely changed your argument.

>They've abandoned the big shared universe approach

Did you even watch Shazam? It had more references to other heroes and being in a "shared" universe than any of the phase 1 MCU movies did.

>Amazing how you still are unable to do that and completely changed your argument.

That was a different user. You're confusing yourself, but that's not surprising given the level of intelligence you've displayed so far.

>>They can't just do okay or break even, they have to be home runs to justify continuing spending at those levels.
>Except Shazam, because, uh, I said so!

Amazing. The mental gymnastic MCUcks employee is just amazing.

You can stop same-fagging and just put it all in one post, user.

You can stop same-fagging and just put it all in one post, user.

I've provided sources and numbers from reputable sources. Feel free to provide your own in rebuttal. All you've done is claim you're in the industry. How about some actual info?

You're making all of this noise to try and distract from your complete lack of knowledge or information.

>i-i-impossible that m-m-multiple people disagree with me!!!

Wow.

>Ad hominem instead of addressing the points

Classic MCUcks!

You literally said

>If by "other people on the internet" you mean "the professional industry analysts that studios look to", then sure.

I said prove to me the studios look to them, you back peddled and instead of doing that you just keep citing internet analysts.

You're making all of this noise to try and distract from your complete lack of knowledge or information.

So that's a no on providing any sources or numbers for your claims, then? And you've resorted to literally just repeating what I'm writing, like a child.

Can you provide anything backing up your claims, user? I have.

Hey faggot, you realize your entire thesis is undone by Captain America right? Funny how you just ignored that movie the other user brought up. Here, I'll re-iterate it for you:

"HOLY SHIT YOU ARE SOOOOOOOOO STUPID.

Let's look at Captain America: The First Avenger

>Production Budget: $140 million
>Total gross: $370,569,774

Traditional wisdom is you double the budget for marketing costs, so First Avenger made nearly no profit (not taking into account that theaters get at least 1/3 of gross).

Definitely not a home run, but yet they still made more Cap movies. HMMMMM, it's almost like you are a full of shit and don't know what you are talking about."

Where were the "analysts" then?

>animated movies/shows and TV on lockdown
What? They've released a lot of stinker animated movies recently. And their animated shows now are what TTGo, Young Justice and that new teen girls show? It's not that impressive even if Young Justice is good. And the non animated shows are mostly terrible from all the CW drama bottom barrel garbage to the Titans crap really skewing the overall quality far to the negative no matter how good Doom Patrol is.

>So that's a no on providing any sources or numbers for your claims, then?

None of my claims required numbers or sources.

Funny how you STILL can't do the one thing I keep repeating.

>Point to one of these "analysts" that are actually employed by Warner Bros that said what you are implying. I'll wait.

>Besides Marvel hasn't exactly one-upped them in that market.
Marvel won an oscar for best animation. Is that not good enough for you?

>Point to one of these "analysts" that are actually employed by Warner Bros that said what you are implying. I'll wait.

>Can you provide anything backing up your claims, user? I have.

You first.

There's no "other user", you're just pretending. You also aren't providing any sources or numbers.

I'd say, though, that the actual other user is right. CA:TFA came very early in the age of the cinematic universe, and also wasn't a tentpole movie at BvS's level. A better comparison would be the first Avengers movie. If that had performed so-so, the MCU would have gone very differently.

I feel like nu Constantine is pretty much a superhero now. He's on the fucking magic Justice League. He's like Morrison's alt-universe Constantine superhero parody in the Red jumpsuit now.

I provided sources, user. You've just slung insults and made claims without evidence. As an industry insider, it should be pretty easy for you to put up something showing what you're saying.

>I'd say, though, that the actual other user is right.
There's no "other user", you're just pretending.

> You also aren't providing any sources or numbers.

The user literally provided numbers on Captain America's box office though you drooling retard.

What other claims did he make that requires a source or a number?

>>Point to one of these "analysts" that are actually employed by Warner Bros that said what you are implying. I'll wait.

Funny how you STILL can't do that, LMAO. Also there was no insult in my post you are replying too.

Stop making things up, you come off as unstable.

>using the exact same "repeat what he says" tactic in both sets of comments

If you're going to samefag, you need to do a little better than this.

>Claims these analysts are employed by studios
>Can't provide any sources that say they are

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

When they make an animated movies/show they are trying to appeal to their core audience. When they tried a cinematic universe they tried to appeal movigoers.

Again, I've provided sources and numbers. You continue to just insult. It would be very easy to show me to be wrong if you had any actual basis for what you're saying.

You're an industry insider. Use your vast inside knowledge to link to something that blows me out of the water.

Ok user. Lego Batman came out in 2017. Let's look at what animated movies DC has made in this time period.
>Hush
>Batman vs TMNT
>Justice League vs Fatal Five
>Reign of the Superman
>Death of Superman
>Teen Titans Go! To the Movies
>DC Superhero Girls: Legends of Atlantis
>Suicide Squad Hell to Pay
>Batman Gotham by Gaslight
>Scooby Doo and Batman
>Batman vs Two Face
>Batman and Harley Quinn
>Teen Titans Judas Contract
>Justice League Dark
>DC Superhero Girls Intergalactic Games
Does this really paint a good picture of DC's animation quality overall to you even with a few good ones? What percentage of those do you consider good?

You're just embarrassing yourself now.

>Ignore the counter point about how other user provided actual numbers
>Resort to ad hominem

Can't wait for you to finish highschool, user :)

I'm still waiting for you prove the following:

>>Point to one of these "analysts" that are actually employed by Warner Bros that said what you are implying. I'll wait.

Why are you so scared of this? You keep just saying you provided sources, but none of your sourced prove this. None of them are employed by WB like you calimed they were right here:

> you mean "the professional industry analysts that studios look to", then sure.

Prove to me that a studio looks to them. Because, guess what, they don't!

WB cannot do an extended universe because they cannot into sequels.
You have to be good at sequels to do a running extended universe, by default.

Superman>Superman II>>>>Superman III>>>>Superman IV
Batman>Batman Returns>>>Batman Forever>>>>>>Batman and Robin

Heat Legend had to die to make a WB sequel outperform the first movie. If Wonder Woman 2 and Aquaman 2 can best the first movies, they might actually go somewhere. Otherwise its just time for another round of reboots.

Don't you dare lump Doom Patrol with the rest of that hot garbage.

I never claimed they were employed by the studio. I don't need to jump through hoops you set. I provided information about the expectations of the industry prior to the opening, and analysis from after, both from reputable sources.

If you have sources showing that these sources are wrong, that the studio considers these movies successes despite general analyst opinion, please share.

Why is that so hard? Again, you are in the industry, so you must know plenty of sources you could easily share. Why don't you?

Ah, I get it. You use one set of comments to spin your wheels but make it look like you're doing something, and you use this set to attack. Interesting tactic.

>WB cannot do an extended universe because they cannot into sequels.

Superman 2: The Donner Cut and The Dark Knight are both way better than their predecessors.

So was Godzilla: King of the Monsters, Two Towers and Return Of The Kind, Harry Potter 2 and 3.

What a stupid claim.

I could have thrown the Supergirl and Catwoman movies into that, but I'm being nice.
Green Lantern has a sequel greenlit but it died before GL was even out of theaters.
Superman Returns killed all appetite for a follow-up.
Man of Steel had to go "Batman HALP!" and still it couldn't generate the hype of even an Iron Man sequel.
Skwad is getting some sort of awkward "not a sequel/reboot with the same characters" treatment. By 2023 Flash will be getting it's 9th director and script rewrite. What a mess.

>I never claimed they were employed by the studio.

You claimed the studios look to them, which you haven't proved. And you are fucking dumb if you think a studio would take advice from someone they didn't pay to give them that advice.

Non-capeshit doesn't count

I assume that user said WB instead of DC because DC doesn't do movies, WB does

Insults aren't sources, user.

I specifically mentioned TDK, which while not a better movie than Begins is certainly vastly more successful (which is what drives sequels).
Superman II is a broken shit-mess that has a replacement director's ending pasted onto it. In it's own way its as damaged as JUSTice League.
And it did much worse in theaters than Superman: The Movie.

I wasn't venturing outside of cape films, but LotR is a single epic story broken into 3rds, Harry Potter had a massive built-in fanbase (and they didn't keep swapping out Harry like they did Bruce) and King of the Monsters factually made $150 million less than the 2014 movie, so you might be functionally retarded.

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It's also worth mentioning that the attempt to turn Harry Potter into an "extended universe" is not going so great.

As time goes on the more it's clearer that the MCU is a fluke no studio can just straight up copy. It was all on Feige being at the right moment at the right time getting the right people. Cape films have been hit or miss and either director or exec driven, but only the MCU has found balance just because they have one steady hand at the wheel who can overrule or defy the execs and get directors who will do their jobs.

You have to sell the CHARACTERS.
The Dark Universe had cunty Tom Cruise, and nothing else going for it.
Godzilla has ho-hum CGI spectacle but all the people are SHIT.
Man of Steel/BvS/Skwad is just a masterclass in awful character writing.
Fantastic Beasts has no one who engages the audience, it asks you to be excited for the SETTING.
Venom succeeded despite all its handicaps because Tom Hardy is fun and interesting in it.

People wanted to see what Tony and Steve and the rest were up to next. It's really not as hard as it seems.

You have to make characters with heart that audiences get invested in, nostalgia/familiarity/spectacle won't let you do an EU, Disney haters can just point to Star Wars as a prime example.

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MarveLadderbros BTFO

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>You have to make characters with heart that audiences get invested in
Then that's DC out from the start. No one will ever care about one-dimensional gods with little to no weaknesses and lame villains.

People bought into Chris Reeves and they bought into Michael Keaton's Batman.
The problem for Wonder Woman and Aquaman is that both characters need to evolve from being dim-witted rubes; and I am seriously concerned that neither actor as the chops for it.

>You realize Snyder has credits on both Wonder Woman (two for Wonder Woman) and Aquaman, right?
>And Wan directly credits Snyder for Aquaman being the way it is:
Yeah, and I think those were shit too. Shazam seems like the only movie I'd want to watch, but even then I'm not paying the price of admission.

Stan Lee has producer credits on the entire DCEU, including the unreleased Black Widow movie. Snyder's producer credits on WW and Aquaman don't mean shit.

*MCU not DCEU, obviously.

Will underperform Deadpool, and CBR can't predict shit months out like this.
I'll be impressed if it breaks $400 million. We'll see.

t.Redditor

>People bought into Chris Reeves
For two whole movies

>and they bought into Michael Keaton's Batman.
Batman is different. While he is a full on Mary Sue being the master of every form of martial arts, a genius in all forms of science, world's greatest detective, and a megatrillionaire. He's still human and can be beaten and killed.

It's really no surprise they want to rush Batgirl the only human heroes they have are the Batfamily

>and I am seriously concerned that neither actor as the chops for it.
There's nothing they can do about that. No actor in their right mind would ever sign on for starring roles in a DC movie at this point.

Ladderbro pls

More people cared about Chris Reeves himself dying, based on that one role as Superman, than cared about the entire DCEU, let alone Superman dying onscreen, which elicited yawns and chuckles.
WB sabotaged Reeves legacy as Superman with Richard Lester and micro-budgets.

The Joke is that Aquaman's opening was fucking awful and if it weren't for China having it an entire monthe before hand it would have made Shazam numbers at best

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Imma file this with "OMFG LOOK AT ALL THE VIEWS OF PIKACHU TRAILER, MCU BTFO FOREVER!!!11, we billion nao!"

>Yea Forums claims it will be the second highest grossing movie of the year
>may not even be in the top 20 by the end of the year
It will never not be funny

Opening weekend estimates for DCEU movies have been all over the place. Way too low for Wonder Woman, way too high for BvS.

DC is for only for children and manchildren

God, the DCEU wishes so badly it could get the kids audience that pushes the MCU to billions.

Nah more like Ant-Man

I think you misspelled Marvel. DC is more for psuedointellectual teenagers and edgetards

Like it or not, the critics are going to determine The Joker's fate.
The spergy Joker fans are an inconsequential audience. There's no Batman, and no Ms. Joker.
It's basically Gotham: The Motion Picture, now with an R-rating!.

Guess it's time to rise up against the Jock critics

They need to cast my wife Sophia Lillis as Carrie Kelley in an adaptation of The Dark Knight Returns.

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DC will never be for men.
Trying to force otherwise it's what happened.

It absolutely won't open in China. If the message is "Gamers rise up against Authority" it won't open in a lot of autocratic states.
It forfeits the Kid/Granparent audience automatically by being R-Rated. Sure a few kids will sneak into it, but it needs a trailer showing more than an emaciated guy prancing in his undies to draw in tweens/teens. No Harley = No Female audience. JP is not some hearthrob, he's a weird method actor.

I feel the projections are super too high, unless all the active shooters are going to see it 6 times for the 6.

I imagine it will do well in Brazil

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Well neither is Marvel, Dickhole

This. She cute.

Rip Anti Janny Batman

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She's a ginger character. Do I need to elaborate?

I think Marvel is just happy being the most successful everything in the history of film

Don't cry for me, I self-deleted, no point in antagonizing the free help.

Oh i see. I'm talking to a mousedrone. Figures

Objectively, he's not wrong.

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The fact that she played Beverly Marsh in IT and not an actress of color shows that it’s possible for her to get big roles as a ginger. And it doesn’t seem like she has to get Weinsteined to get them.

I suppose

>Executive Producer Brian Michael Bendis.

Wouldn't she be black?

see

I don’t know
Might be on to something

Based Lillisposter

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No, that was Sony

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Their animated moves aren't good and there was literally nothing wrong with the Snyderverse.

Marvel is for everyone

Go away, Zack

Especially Manchildren

Specially men with children

she cute

Big Hero Six won an animated Oscar for Marvel.

But mostly manchildren

Having kids means not

You know what i mean't, goalposter

>Aquaman's opening was fucking awful and if it weren't for China having it an entire monthe before hand it would have made Shazam numbers at best
Even without China at all Aquaman still got 850 million dollars

deecee is irrelevant yes we know

Aquaman just made 1,15 billion,CW is making billions, but whatever.

Kek