The great debate

In pretty much any fight that does not involve World-Breaker Hulk, Supes literally pastes him all across the continent. And WITH World-Breaker, it just means Supes has to put the bare minimum effort in.

Why? Only Hulk's brain is super-dense

Even Devil Hulk still can't compete. Supes isn't particularly weak to magic. He just has no specific immunities to it. So you can scorch him with a fire spell instead of doing literally nothing to him like 99% of cases

And DC magic is stronger than Marvel magic 1-to-1, anyhow.

You’re arguing with people who only jumped on the hulk train with Immortal Hulk.

Didn’t he get blown apart by a sunpowered satellite?

First off he is, second why would he need to be stronger? Superman can fly. What's the Hulk gonna anchor himself against to keep himself on the ground? The ground itself? Someone with any amount of super strength and flight could beat the Hulk by tossing him into the atmosphere. A strong enough psychic could do it too, though Superman could outright brute force the Hulk. Spidey and Cap have beaten him too after all.

Yup, making marvel's magic some sort of super science means that Superman is not particularly vulnerable against it.

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Not to mention Devil Hulk just got his ass kicked by a wannabe Abomination.

Can't Superman just fly Hulk into space?

>Even Devil Hulk
He would actually need to go either Savage or Green Scar since Devil Hulk's strenght doesn't seem to be amplified by anger.

>DC magic is stronger than Marvel magic
No? What are the argouments that back this up?

>just got his ass kicked
He ripped Abomination apart

Not really a debate when you think about Superman being strong enough to lift the Hulk. Clark grabs Hulk literally from anywhere the Hulk can't flex from and off to space Hulk goes.

Hulk versus Batman - now that's a fight.

>marvel's magic some sort of super science
t. guy who only ever watched the movies

>He ripped Abomination apart
After Abomination killed him.
Well, Betty killed him, but he had reverted to bawling bitch Savage Hulk at that point.

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Eh. Doubtful actually.
Superman would be all over the Hulk at first with the Hulk having no chance. But Superman being Superman wouldn't make quick work of the Hulk, instead trying to subdue the Hulk relatively peacefully. Which would just enrage the Hulk.
It wouldn't be like Superman fighting Doomsday, because unlike Doomsday the Hulk wouldn't relentlessly seek out to destroy fucking everything around him even if Hulk's temper would cause damage. But even when enraged the Hulk is more focused on who / what made him mad and this would allow Superman some leeway to control scenario and basis of the fight, enabling Superman to take the fight away from civilization.
While a relatively docile Hulk wouldn't compare much to Doomsday, a sufficiently enraged Hulk would be on a whole other level from Doomsday and it'd be something Superman really wouldn't be able to subdue. Superman's mistake in this scenario would be to take it easy on the Hulk, which is something he absolutely would do since he tries to see the good in people, even something like the Hulk. This approach would inevitably allow the Hulk to grow ever more mad until it'd be too much for even Superman. However since the Hulk wouldn't go on a murder spree, it would allow Superman to eventually retreat and leave the fight. And honestly, that'd likely result in the Hulk eventually calming down however long it'd take, after which Superman would most likely return. Having been keen on investigating just who this green hulking monster actually was, only to find Banner. Where they would likely be able to talk things out peacefully, albeit perhaps with some difficulty at first.

Superman is like.

Also really, really fast.

It's something he forgot to use against Doomsday too.

Hi I know Yea Forums doesn’t read comics so here you go

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>Abomination killed him.
And look how good that has done to him.

Oh, I know. Pretty much this entire thread is retarded bait for people who haven't read a single Supes comic.

>No? What are the argouments that back this up?
Literally everything we've ever seen DC magic do in comparison to Marvel magic, but since you'll likely sperg about that, the Marvel/DC crossover literally had the Scarlet Witch flat out say that DC magic was stronger than it was back home.

Cool, did Superman has acid especially made to burn gamma monsters as a new power now? I stopped at the solar flare.

The real question is how fucked the Marvel Universe is once this guy discovers it. Before one week he would have Dr. Doom cleaning his lab coats and Kang eternally splatting himself against a wall of suspendium

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>dude, i just heard it, don't sperg ok?

Fucking retard.

>Scarlet Witch flat out say

which was a statement especially made to point out the plot holes that happened back then. Hardly a medal i would wear with pride.

Buddy I get it, you like the current Hulk run. I like it too. Even the moronic Bendis Superman could smack Hulk around. Hulk got stomped by the Sentry, who is basically just a slightly less powerful Hulk with a personality disorder.

He wouldn't even get past fucking Pym.

Technically the solar flare power ability alone would revert Hulk to Banner so

>waaaaa
You can literally cripple Strange by breaking his arms. The Scarlet Witch has been punked by all kinds of shit.

Now let's take a look at DC where magic literally has no fucking rules or limitations and it only took five Lords of Order to make good progress on destroying the entire Sphere of Gods.

Don't even bother. Marvelfags have been getting more and more desperate ever since it got revealed that TOAA isn't actually omnipotent.

>you like the current Hulk run
And what does this has to do with the fact that Superman doesn't have acid?

>Hulk got stomped by the Sentry, who is basically just a slightly less powerful Hulk with a personality disorder.

You know what, nevermind.

The Sivana team from Multiversity could take on Marvel

Nah. Lex wouldn't, but Sivana absolutely would.

Good point - if day and by extension solar radiation reverts Hulk back into Banner or Joe then Superman's natural solar battery status would have an effect like Sentry's calming aura. If his electromagnetic aura can like expand it or whatever techno-babble they're using now.

>mathematically proves the impossibility of the Living Tribunal and The One Above All, un-making them
>sends Galactus to feed on the Negative Zone
>knocks some planets out of orbit to make the Kree, Skrull and Shi'ar empires fight over them
>uses his natural charms to seduce Death and have four children with her, making Thanos commit suicide

What’s annoying is I’m a Marvelfag and I can acknowledge that Supes is just broken in terms of the power he has, that’s just his character.

Who would win?

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A single Sivana could probably solo Marvel.

The Green Lantern is a massive jobber but so is Hulk. They both lose.

>Sivana taps into the Odinforce, Phoenix Force and Punch Dimension and makes it the Sivanaforce.

>Wields the All-Black like a cheap suit and slaps Knull around with it.

>Takes control of the infinity gauntlet and uses it to open the Heart of the Universe to take control of the entire Marvel continuum in a week.

Dude can’t even take over his own universe.

Basically EVERY hero in DC is broken. Even the ones that seem like jokes on the first glance, like Plastic-Man or Booster Gold.

DC is a setting that doesn't give a shit about how ridiculous it gets, and is constantly escalating. Meanwhile, Marvel tirelessly works to downgrade literally everything it has time and time again.

>how fucked the Marvel Universe is once this 3rd rate villain discovers it?
Not at all?.

Because Billy is there to stop him every single time. And Billy could also solo pretty much all of Marvel.

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>makes Ben Grimm human again, convinces him that Reed also knew how to but didn't want to
>makes the compounds in the super-soldier serum inert
>tracks down the power source that turned Donald Blake into Thor, uses the channel to send a metaphysical flu that turns all pantheons into cripples

Carol isn't shit compared to literally anything that Billy can do.

There’s over a billion things she can do that he can’t.

>doesn't know Chaddeus Sivana true power level

Name one.

Menstruate and being an alcoholic are only two things.

Hal murders Hulk. Even Immortal couldn’t do shit.

>fucking cuts franklin richards' throat

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See

Holy shit.

Even Hal at his jobbiest murders Hulk.

>chad
>constantly cucked out of his title of DC's smartest character by Lex, Brainiac and Metron

Billy's enemies are surprisingly vicious

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Lex and Sivana are about equal, Brainiac may as well be a god, and Metron *is* a God. Try again.

Sivana speaks math out loud in order to walk through walls
Pym,, a hero, builds genocidal robots by accident

Question: Would Lex be a good guy if he came over to the Marvel Universe considering there’s no Superman?

>implying he doesn't play in his own league

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Somebody post the Virgin Lex / Chaddeus Sivana pic

No. He's utterly insane by default. He just latched onto Superman to create an elaborate excuse for his crimes.

He'll probably go about rebuilding his corporation whilst using the general stupidity of Marvel civilians to his advantage in removing any threat to his rule.

Real question is
Cops who arrested Thanos vs Thugs that mugged Darkseid?

This. You’d have to be crazy to think otherwise.

Better yet

Thanoscopter vs.Omega Crowbar

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Except save her tanking sales

Kek.

At least she’s had more then one title this decade.

Except Billy's current series is in perpetual delay limbo and hasn't done all that well in sales either.

>marvel's magic some sort of super science
You haven't been reading Doomsday Clock

Billy's current series has had direct synergy with its own movie and will likely have such eith the upcoming sequel. Not to mention that its general sales are FAR more stable thsn Carol's current sales.

Yes. Because each one KEEPS. GETTING. CANCELLED.

And neither should you.

You mean that scene with Manhattan? He literally just took a bunch of spells, combined them, and waxed poetical regarding his personal understanding of it as a new element to him. It's not Marvel's "lul magic is just de science hurrhurr" bullshit.

I think a better debate is how does Shazam do against Thor?

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Yeah, because the head writer has a boner for Billy and didn’t want anybody else writing him.

Compare that to Marvel trying to push Carol on its audience, only to cancel each and every run because of low interest for the character.

Thor’s pretty tough but I think Aaron's sorta depowered him. Probably Billy.

Has literally lifted infinity, pushed galaxies, and even crazier shit. Unless you give Thor the Odinforce, he literally dies from magic Superman flicking him in the head.

The lifting Infinity was the Billy from Earth-5.

Doesn't really mean much, given I highly doubt Billy changes all that much in terms of raw strength.

I mean it’s not really right to give him feats other versions have done. It’s like giving Ultimate Thor 616 Thor feats.

It means everything because Earth 5 is the original Billy Batson. In other words, the “Pre-Crisis” Captain Marvel that moved an entire galaxy and stopped a universal destroying event.

Silver Age Thor had feats in par with SA Superman. I think most incarnations of Thor are stronger than Billy

You don't seem to realize that Billy is Stardust-the-Magician tier, which raises the question:

Stardust or Billy?

Not even Marvel believes this, the delusion is unreal

Didn't they have a crossover already where Superman dabbed on the Hulk?

This
As a marvel fan I always hated the Hulk, he is by far the least cool of all of Marvel's power characters. Thing should be strongest their is but instead we get with loser with a bowl cut and purple pants

Hulk has lost to superman at least twice now, and their first match up Supes tanks everything hes got and doesnt even budge

It would take zero effort

In the avengers JLA crossover Scarlet witch just straight up says he magic is super amplified by being in DC's Univers. Also for some reason Marvel's universe slows down the Flash?

I think an important factor we're glossing over here is WHICH Hulk is fighting Superman? Each persona has a different level

See Stardust is good, but he never quite reaches Billy's levels of madness.

Why does Marvel let everyone shit on the Hulk? Batman, Spiderman, Captain America, Superman and probably Carol

Crossovers are meaningless. Only the most popular character wins, not the strongest. Remember that time when Wolverine defeated Lobo?

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That was due to a vote

This is a cool scenario but it relies on the Hulk's rage making him way stronger than Marvel has ever shown him to be

HULK POWER LVLS ARE NOT CONSISTENT, DEVIL HULK, PROFESSOR GREEN, JOE FIXIT, CLASSIC, HULK, RETARDED HULK, NOT SO RETARDED HULK, GREEN SCAR ALL HAVE DRASTICALLY DIFFERENT POWER LVLS AND EVEN EXTRA SUPERPOWERS POWERS

fucking casuals

I literally just pointed this out too

Well yeah because the Speed Force isn’t a thing in Marvel.

Oh god Sivana would ruin Marvel, they have literally nothing on par with the Marvel Family

God I wanna read this comic

Hyperion held 2Earths and survived a universe destroying attack. Default Superman ain’t that powerful.

In a normal scenario: Hulk
In any scenario where Hal is forced to use his unending willpower: Hal

Hulk destroys the sun. Superman is now powerless.

Superman broke out of Hypertime and the Inifnite Planet.

I'm pretty sure that's a reference of a scene where Superman hold 2 planets apart for a time.

And that same Superman was getting overpowered by Venom of all people.

You'd think Marvel fans would pick up on this kind of thing and just ignore these stupid "who's stronger" threads

>Implying he’s anywhere near strong enough and wouldn’t be vaporized
Good one!

She's not even on Mary's level

Al Ewing made Hulk weak to sunlight tho

Probably because they keep getting cancelled and rebooted, this is not a good thing to brag about

Xavier paid Lobo to let Wolverine win.

Thor has not done anything on par with what you claim, lifting that big snake is still his greatest achievement

Still makes me made, they didnt even bother to come up with a scenario where Wolverine wins, like I'd be willing to buy it but at least put the effort in

>Ewing Hulkfags showing themselves to be ignorant morons the thread

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Hulk destroyed Kronos. Which should be impossible, but Hulk did it anyway. Through anger. After getting pissed from Kronos destroying Sakaar.

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Just admit you have no arguments and move on with your life.

Who would win? Legion of Sivanas or the The Council of Reeds?

Didn't he get so angry at the end of WWH, that his footsteps were threatening to crack the planet or something?

One Sivana could take the council of Reeds before breakfast and have the council of Ricks as a light supper.

See, the Reeds and the Ricks are characters created to have human emotions that resonate with the public. Sivana is pure, unhinged Golden Age madness. Against that, you cannot allow yourself one moment of self-doubt or introspection, because then you're toast.

The Hulk can get infinitely angry. Which is kind of weird since it's taken literally and presented as a unique trait to the Hulk. With others somehow having a limit or a roof to their anger, while the Hulk has no limit and can get infinitely angry.
With his power scaling to said anger.

Yes and he was holding back, this same hulk form was able to destroy a planet just with a shockwave from a punch.

World Breaker Hulk is clearly above kryptonian lvls

Can he get so angry that he can beat the concept of anger itself?

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>Getting BTFO-ed by everyone in the thread
>You have no argument
Nice autism dude.

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Probably.

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It's uniquely specific to the Hulk because he's the embodiment of Gamma Emanation and thus pulling power from the multiverse and creation itself, and is destined to become the next Eternity once this universe ends.

So Betty will become his Galactus to eat him up?

The Hulk is honestly more interesting in Cosmic Marvel than on Earth.

Found the incel

HULK LIFTED A STAR WHICH IS MORE THAN THE PLANETS SUPERMAN PULLED IN HIS SILVER AGE
THAT NIGGA IS IN THE QUINTILLIONS WHILE HULK IS IN NOVEMDECILLION RANGE, LOOK UP THE BIGGEST NUMBER LIST AND FIND OUT HOW MUCH A STAR WEIGHTS AND CRY

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Actually there's a bunch of science behind it. And normal people can only produce so much of the chemical that induces anger in the brain before they run out, Hulks healing factor is what allows him to continuously pump out anger brain-juice but his healing factor has limits which is how Wolverine always manages to beat him

Please read a superman comic if you think that shit, that's absurd

Marvelfags still delusionally believe that Marvel can keep up with DC power escalation. Its sad, but thats how it is.

>google "how much a star weights"
>only got results for websites talking about the weight of tv and movie stars
Fuck America

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I don't know if Carol got a round 2 yet.

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>which is how Wolverine always manages to beat him
But the Hulk usually just grows bored or tired since Wolverine just recovers.

>actually thinks struggling to lift a Star is impressive for Superman
>when he blows out stars like they’re candles

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what the fuck is going on in every single panel

>Wolverine always manages to beat him

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Supes propelling a sun to destroy a horrific eldritch terror, apparently.

but why is that thermo's coffee so important. God, I wanna read what happens next

Superman killed a Space Ghost by literally flinging a Star at him with his super breath

last time i checked a star weighs more than a sun
ANY person with super breath can do it

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>When Wolverine could still smoke before Joe put a stop to adult themes in adult aimed comics.

A sun is a star.

Superman has literally lifted infinity.

>last time i checked a star weighs more than a sun
And last time I checked, you were a retard. Good to see that hasn't changed.

Last marvel comic I read described Wiccan as a "reality warper"

>last time i checked a star weighs more than a sun
A Star IS a sun, retard

alright you know what? i'm ending this debate.
superman can't move a sun, or blow a star away, or carry a chain of planets, or sneeze away galaxies, or be faster than god speed.
why? BECAUSE NOBODY CAN AGREE TO THEM ALL.
superman can one day life galaxies, then the next he can lift a boat, then the next version he can fuck his dog, it doesn't matter anymore. no writer can choose a consistency on him.
at max his true strength lies within quintillions, the max we can get from people to agree on a BASIC superman.
.
the hulk doesn't need to smash your asshole every issue. in one he can level a city with a stomp, lift a star in another, lift thor's hammer in another, the problem is the same but the writers know one thing: he's the strongest there is.
he holds back to not destroy the earth in a punch, he's not always the bad guy, writers grasp the hulk template. they don't make him god like, he doesn't break the metals like a can.
.
.
and to prove hulk is stronger:
they don't have to make hulk black like they did with superman: the black superman is the strongest because he's black.

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Doomsday killers Superman and he is a second rate Hulk

>last time i checked a star weighs more than a sun
CONGRATULATIONS user! This has one the dumbest post of the day award

Superman would win.

As much as I like Shazam his childlike mind, and inexperience always end up being the deciding factors against him in a fight. Thor on the other hand is a warrior who has fought for thousands of years.

the question everybody should be asking is how sharp are hulk bones
cause the only thing superman is TRULLY week against is sharp bones

thats so fucking bullshit it hurts

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>his childlike mind, and inexperience always end up being the deciding factors against him in a fight.
Usually they work for him in a fight also "wisdom of Solomon".

Fairly certain this guy here is the same dumbass.

Wisdom of Solomon and superior strength result in him splattering Thor across ten galaxies.

Doomsday keeps killing people because after he's killed in a certain way, he can't be killed by it again.

Cool, I honestly never thought Marvel let Hulk win these kinda matchups. He's lost every other one I've ever heard of regardless of wether hes fighting a marvel character or a DC one

Are you.... your trolling right?

Death battle had Doomsday beat Hulk. Check m8, m8

>a star weighs more than a sun

I came here to laugh at you

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This sounds about right.

Sentry is fucking bullshit tho. The guy carries Celestials arround. Supposedly fought Galactus and all that shit.

Its Wisdom, not intelligence.

Yes and no.
Yes Superman would win a round to two billion BUT surprisingly Hulk's ability to endure and recover is significantly higher than his strength. Some time before the end of time Superman will eventually die, but Hulk....

Hulk will be there after the last star in the sky goes dark and witness what awaits at the moment time ends.

>actually taking anything from the Ultimate universe with an inferior Hulk and Wolverine seriously.

Neck yourselves you faggots.

The outrage, can you believe this guy?

So sad that Ewing Hulkfags are just as stupid as their favorite character.

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>Not know about Superman Prime or Strange Visitor Superman
Congratulations Ewingfag. You have once again proven yourself to be even dumber than Rick & Mitty fans.

Yeah, that’s Hulk got his ass handed to him by fuckin Captain America.

>Sentry, who is basically just a slightly less powerful Hulk
Sentry is easily more powerful than the likes of Hulk, Thor, Superman. Hulk at his strongest barely stalemated against Sentry that wasn't even going for the kill or crazy. Default Sentry said to be capable of stalemating Galactus, lifting Exitar whose weight alone is capable of easily destroying the Earth, and overpowering Molecule Man.

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He is not even in the same league as Lex. And Lex is vastly inferior to the likes of Richards and Doom.

You cant become the next Eternity, that's not how any of that works. A new Eternity is born from the dead Eternity once the old Eternity is retired and goes to the next place beyond the far shore. The next universe's Galactus is already taken by Franklin Richards. Hulk and Mr. Immortal are probably the next universe's Elders of the Universe if anything.

No he just has to be strong enough to lift and throw him. And I don’t think anyone is arguing that Hulk is too heavy for Superman to lift.

When did hulk lift a star?

For some reason she chickened out on fighting the Hulk twice in Immortal Hulk. Her excuse was that she needed to help evacuate people... which still gives the impression that she was seen as less valuable in the fight than Black Panther.

Hulk loses but he's still one of the better chances Marvel has without going into cosmic entities.

Sentry. Sentry, look at me.

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>this made up science beats your made up science
not to mock you really but this is what it all comes down to.

Man this is stupid

wait how does this not destroy earth at the same time?
none the less, Hulk is immortal now. If Immortal Hulk is now cannon ...

this kills Carol Fags

depends who is writing but this was all done by popularity contests

Are we talking about Superman, Thought armour Superman, Prime or PRIME TIME!, ?

Nice try, he only lifted half of infinity.

Billy very specifically changes in raw strength a lot. Whenever Superman changes he changes as well, for one, but he changes a lot even beyond that.

You only watched the cartoon didn't ya?

Yeah, but he'd need a red lantern ring.

>The next universe's Galactus is already taken by Franklin Richards
That timeline already collapsed.

The same way Superman doesn't cause sonic booms when he breaks the sound barrier. Perfect muscle control, and training.

>He is not even in the same league as Lex.

Correct, he's way above all those losers.

In other words he's a goofy cartoon character, much like the entirety of Monster Society of Evil and Captain Marvel as a whole.

While I have nothing to say about the Superman vs Sentry part of your post, I love that artwork.

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It's also the same reason why he doesn't rip Lois apart the instant they try doing the dirty.

And that's what makes them better than the rest, no pretense of being 2deep4u, so that 20 year olds feel better about consuming entertainment originally aimed at children.

Timelines are just alternate universes with minor to major differences to the main universe. Next universe is when the current multiverse is retired and a new multiverse take its place. And with a bunch of new universes inside the new multiverse. With a new Eternity and a new Galactus running things. What Moira did is just hopping to another existing alternate timeline/universe within the same multiverse when she dies.

Sentry made Molecule Man his bitch. Forager ain't shit compare to Molecule Man.

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yeah after just what breaking through another reality and just dents the earth? ok

Lex is widely considered by DC as the smartest man on Earth. Sivana is impressive but he ain't smarter than Lex.

That's indeed true.

Guy who is strong and tough vs. guy who is strong and tough, fast, can fly, and has energy attacks to disable and debilitate.

If you look at who they've overpowered or matched strength and their feats with both end up looking pretty good, but the reality is that Superman can throw literally millions of punches before Hulk can throw one, and has many more avenues of attack due to his flight and more variable offensive options. To say nothing of his really weird usages of power like tuning his super vocalizing to cancel out Hulk's vibrational frequency and erase him like he did Darkseid in Final Crisis.

Lex would be Sinister/High Evolutionary tier crazy in Marvel

Tell me what half of infinity is.

>I think a better debate is how does Shazam do against Thor?
Really REALLY terribly. Thor literally contains a living storm and Shazam can be forced back into Billy on contact with enough electricity. We're talking OHKO.

Back when Marvel remembered Asgardians are supposed to have sufficiently advanced science on top of magic, he built a robot significantly smarter than Reed Richards.

Honestly that's more terrifying than anything most characters have done.

>lifting that big snake is still his greatest achievement
He did crazy shit all the time back in the day. That's by no means his greatest achievement, and neither is picture related.

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>Thor has not done anything on par with what you claim
Read this. It's a rather interesting list of comicbook feats with cited sources and everything. Gone from the internet, but archived on the waybackmachine.
web.archive.org/web/20110830143251/http://www.startrekphase2media.com/The_Power_of_Thor.html
>The following list contains, probably, the most comprehensive analysis of Thor's powers ever posted.

The list is old. But at the time it was shockingly thorough and complete.

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as much as I love hulk superman can win easily
he could throw hulk into space and just follow him shooting him with his heatvision until he dies, making sure hulk never gets close enough to hit anything

this works for every superman that is strong enough to throw hulk into space, and some supermen are just stronger than hulk

Pym, a hero, drink tea with the beings that bring ordet to the whole multiverse.
But hey, the wall thing is a good trick.

One of his powers is the ability teleport between dimensions. Time travel in Marvel is dimensional travel. Why in the heck would he need to swing his hammer at twice the speed of light just to time travel? Fucker's just showing off.

That's like posting Batman beating Superman with the Doomsday's virus and saying that for that reason, Hulk would beat Clark.

∞/2

Isn't Hulk a magic based creature now? Technically he should win.

Sivana, a villain, held hostage three different pantheons at knife point.
Then again, he did love his wife and didn't beat her. Nobody is perfect.

Not really a debate, but Hulk would give Supes more trouble than Thor, I'll give you that.

Is this supposed to be sone big feat? Kek

no, that was tuesday

Oh gee so epic my dude, upvoted xD

>bUt SuPeRmAn CoUlD jUsT tOsS hUlK iNtO tHe SuN
when was the last time Superman ever defeated someone by battlefield removal?
and superman normally wouldn't toss someone into the sun. hulk isn't a killer either, if morals are off, hulk could go all out and rip off clark's head from the start

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Hulk takes a bike to the ass and shrugs it off but God help him if Batman kicks his gut
>Btw I fucking love these things

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I love how this fight confirms Thor will always be the 2nd strongest character in DC.

even if hulk was as strong as superman (wich he isnt) superman is still smarter

At least the Hulk isn't gay.

Based

Goku

Thor exists to job though.

> Lifted a book with infinite pages
> held a black hole in his hand
> punched through infinite dimensions to hit Myxzptlk
> can move faster than light

How can Hulk even compete?

Superman states he could rip the Phantom Zone apart and later on shook the entire dimension apart in a fight.

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>Lifting Stars
That’s adorable, literal 12 year old Supes did thay

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>Star weighs more than a Sun

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Okay Superfags, wanna play?

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Posting a higher quality scan because this guy apparently communicates with ants.

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>Infinite Dimensions
Superman was being felt in every dimension ever just by flying fast. He also once reset the entire Multiverse by punching a dude

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>Stronger than anyone I've fought against!

Hmmmmm.

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Adorable

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>Sound
In space?

>Stronger than even himself

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>Sound
>In space?
It's easier to just roll with it rather then think too hard on it.

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It’s just referring to have fast he is. Ergo Sound is too slow to catch up to him

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>the character that has been consistently dealt with by simply throwing him away
vs
>the character with superspeed, super strength and the ability to fly

Superman takes him. Like he already has.

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This entire post implies Hulk is strong enough to do so, Ewingfag.

Pretty much all of DC's cosmics are greater than Marvel's. Marvel's multiverse and its cosmicsxare weaker than wet tissue paper, and can get torn apart by anything that either disrupts the cosmic balance, or flat out doesn't originate from within it at all.

This is true. Marvel is alot about home field advantage.

The gauntlet doesnt work outside its home universe.
Illyana is supreme being while in Limbo.
Mephisto is unbeatable in his own hell.

And it doesn't really have a lot of reliable answers for shit that doesn't come from its cosmology. That's the whole reason why the Beyonders tore it apart so utterly when they came in.

This also makes the crossover comics funnier in hindsight, since that whole problem with the Flash losing his access to the Speedforce would mean little when he could basically tear the setting apart due go originating beyond it.

The Presence has been beaten by a sword

That was made non-canon by later material. Now we have the Source being omniversal and shit continuing to escalate ever higher.

Meanwhile, Marvel still canonically got assraped by a bunch of greys.

To be fair anybody can move Faster Than Light if you’re more powerful than a herald of Galactus. Nova and Captain Marvel are both guys who can fly to distant solar systems in a few minutes and Hulk can snatch them off the sky just fine. Supes still wins though.

Current DC is limited to 6 Dimensions thanks to retcons. Before Scott Snyder got his dirty hands on the DC Multiverse, Morrison had Captain Atom of Earth 4 say there were 8 different dimensions. Maybe even more. Zero Crisis named more a hundred.

Current DC Universe is limited thank’s to Snyder. We need to see if Doomsday Clock fixes that

Techinically 7. Because of Dimension Zero.

Until American animators can animate a fight worth watching both would lose to Goku.

poor hulky :(

Nice feat. This recent? I want to see what he fucks up with all that energy, if anything.

He oneshotted the Worldforger.

Still a fuckload of Dimensions less than before. I hate dimensional tiering and I think it’s bullshit, but DC used to be stronger.

I like Hulk better but Superman will win every time unless there is some weird "gamma radiation mimics kryptonite on a molecular scale!" Bull-shittery

Superman uses his heat vision and the Hulks optic lens to focus the beam into Hulks brain and cuts out the portion that causes his rage.

You think that's bad you should see the next page.

Superman practically INVENTED anime fights

And I’m pretty sure One Piece owes its entire existence to fucking Popeye

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You do know that dimensions in DC are ENTIRELY different from what most other settings use the term for? The Fifth Dimension is literally all of imagination itself, and the Sixth is just a highly elaborate control unit.

This isn't shit that Snyder retconned. Hell, he even has Mxy outright STATE the nature of the Fifth to thrm and what's been going on there. Stop using VSBW-tier logic on a setting that gives absolutely no shits.

this almost reads as if they fucked behind the counter

No. It’s literally the same shit. It’s not VBW shit, they’re using brane logic. Every layer of a dimension is higher than the other, and their control unit stops at number six.

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Except the Fifth Dimension isn't what any setting would call a 'dimension' in any traditional sense. It is literally imagination. Not to mention that the Bleed and Hypertime contain entire multiverses within them, and are anchored by the overall metaverse of the DC cosmology. The Sixth just acts as a central 'brain' from which all this development can be directed.

Stop proving that people don't actually read comics on this board beyond whatever they can cherrypick to scream over.

>Not to mention that the Bleed and Hypertime contain entire multiverses within them, and are anchored by the overall metaverse of the DC cosmology.
Yeah but those universes are contained within the 3rd dimension to begin with.

I’m not arguing that the Snyder retcon adheres strictly to the membrane theory. Just that this new shit throws a wrench into that

>Except the Fifth Dimension isn't what any setting would call a 'dimension' in any traditional sense. It is literally imagination.
Yeah, and the same guy who established that, Morrison, also established that there were more than Six as recently as Multiversity. So this new shit establishing that there isn’t anything beyond it is bullshit

>Yeah but those universes are contained within the 3rd dimension to begin with.
They're actually entire infinite multiverses. Being contained in the third dimension (which again, isn't like how other settings use the concept) means little.

>Yeah, and the same guy who established that, Morrison, also established that there were more than Six as recently as Multiversity. So this new shit establishing that there isn’t anything beyond it is bullshit
We've had more than the Fifth for a stupid ass time, user. There was the 10D Imp, Ultimator for example. Morrison only brought that back into relevancy.

I doubt the Sixth is literally supposed to be the only thing there with nothing else. Calling it the 'Sixth Dimension' just makes for easy shorthand for the place that acts as the brian of existence. Kinda like how all imagination is under one dimensional space called the 'Fifth'.

>"s-superman could throw hulk into the sun!!!1!"

then why didn't he throw doomsday into the sun?

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The plot required him not to.

>They're actually entire infinite multiverses. Being contained in the third dimension (which again, isn't like how other settings use the concept) means little.
This is what I mean tho. Still the third dimension.

>We've had more than the Fifth for a stupid ass time, user. There was the 10D Imp, Ultimator for example. Morrison only brought that back into relevancy.
that’s the fucking thing. We’ve had more than 6 and now it’s supposed to be only 6, along with the Zero, as the limit. It completely contradicts the lore.

Morals, which you usually don't count in a fight
Speed, doomsdays fast enough to react to being grabbed to superman before he gets launched into space
It would be an unsatisfying story if he did

Name one character that can beat DR. SOLAR pro tip: you can't

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Steven Universe

He tried to lift him up to orbit.

Doomsday has superspeed and bone spikes hard enought to tear into Superman's side all over his body. Mearly punching Doomsday hurts.

And thats what happened, as Superman lifted him up from behind he nearly got gutted by Doomsday's elbow.

But other have successfully gotten rid of Doomsday by blasting him into space, just not my phtsically doing it themselves, before Planet Hulk, the Khunds did it when he landed on their planet by luring him into a rocket.

There are plenty of future timelines that show superman simply continues to exist loooooong after the earth has ceased to be

Kys I dont read enough marvel to know what fits into what universe

>That was made non-canon by later material
It wasn't, this is the most generic lie you could come up with, as things arr now the Presence got replaced by a human, that's how important he is.

>bunch of greys
Beings without a form, that the eye see as grey aliens to not go mad.
And the creation survived, because unlike the Presence, TOAA actually does his job.

Anyone who thinks The Sentry is stronger than Superman doesnt know anything about comics and its kinda sad

>It wasn't, this is the most generic lie you could come up with, as things arr now the Presence got replaced by a human, that's how important he is.
It literally was. The newest Lucifer series completely ignores any events that happened there, and in terms of the greater DC cosmology, Ellaine is a literal who.

>Beings without a form, that the eye see as grey aliens to not go mad.
So literal greys.

>And the creation survived, because unlike the Presence, TOAA actually does his job.
You mean his job of not being omnipotent and literally getting absolutely cucked by Thanos? Sure.

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Damn. he was strong and also a physics genius

>So literal greys.
Are you sure you want to play this game? The presence is literally just a guy who keep gwtting fucked over and over by its offsprings, he isn't even Odin-tier

>cucked by Thanos
>stuff that never happened

That's what you get from getting your knowladgw of comics from random pages posted out of context on Yea Forums.
That was literally just Adam saying "why don't you do it yourself"

And asking someone to do something for him is more than that parody of a god called the presence ever did.

I know you are going to sperg about it so i'll end my argoument here since you are clearly a raging autist, but the Presence is universal tier AT BEST, acting like stuff never happenef won't change shit. The fact that a character isn't getting referenced doesn't mean it isn't there and so you can act like your headcanon is true, even if DC doesn't have a continuity and keep shitting stuff and retconning it issue after issue.
Best of y luck with whatever you have in your head.

>Are you sure you want to play this game? The presence is literally just a guy who keep gwtting fucked over and over by its offsprings, he isn't even Odin-tier
Given that if you take the Source to be one and the same, it literally becomes an omniversal godhead, then yes. I'm entirely willing to tell you shut the fuck up.

Anyway, it's quite clear you're some kind of Marvelfag desperately trying to cope with it actively making itself weaker by projecting said weakness at DC, so I'm just going to tell you that you can get fucked. Go bakc to trying to tell people that TOAA literally isnt getting fucked up the ass by a giant prune.

There is no debate. Superman is orders of magnitude stronger.

Hulk is the strongest one there is - on Marvel-Earth.

HOWEVER... as I have argued with Superman versus Goku, the local natural laws may be so that, were he in the DC multiverse, Hulk's power may be proportionally magnified to something like Doomsday, or, were Superman at Marvel, he might find his powers curtailed to, say, Hyperion.

>Marvel is stro-
Lol

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...so few people realize the glorious madness that is Sivana

"Ggguuuurrrhhh! Voices shut up! Hulk head hurt!"
"Just surrender, big guy! You may be strong, but willpower is one of the great seven forces of the - wait, what;s happening?"
"What voice say? Hulk can't... Blood and rage of crim-son red...torn from corpse that freshly dead... together with hellish hate..."
"Oh crap."
"Hulk burn you all! That your fate!"

Due to how Marvel's cosmology has been revealed to work, anything that origiinates from beyond it can utterly break it. Or if you remove even one of the Regulators, the whole thing will just fold in on itself.

If you put Superman in it, he'd probably shatter the whole thing because it's not built for handling something like him.

>Ends up marrying Sivana

Few people realize the Sivana Charm is a superpower.

I don't go by Starlin rules. Sorry.

God only knows what Jim's going to do in the finale.

But I bet it's going to be goofy as shit, served up in measured, nigh-Shakespearian dialogue, probably with Thanos a sadder and wiser being at the end with some pithy saying to put a bow on the whole thing.

"So it would seem."

Thanos' story should have ended for at least twenty years after 'Infinity Gauntlet' so it would be an actual big deal when he did come back.

God, I want this.

It would be especially satisfying to see Atrocitus attempt to induct him into the Corps.

It's a better version than my first one, which went
"Bruce Banner of Earth. You have great rage in your heart. Um... immense rage... TOO MUCH rage - "
>Ring explodes

Conversely, what would happen if a ring attempted to attach itself to Orion, who not only is the angriest guy in the DC multiverse but also already red?

Unfortunately for you, Starlin is canon and whatever you go by isn't. Too bad, so sad.

Nice, you literally have nothing else to say

Starlin's "Infinity shit" cycle is very clearly not in canon with current Marvel, for better or for worse.

For one thing, Thanos is currently and finally dead.

Hopefully they'll keep him on ice for a few years, please God...

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>36) INTELLIGENCE: Thor's former alter ego Dr. Blake was a highly intelligent, skill physician, who specialized in surgery; plus, he knows the way of this mundane world since he lived among the human race for some time. In addition, Thor is part of a superior advance alien race. This was manifested in Journey Into Mystery#95, where Dr. Blake constructed an Android that could withstand the blows of Thor's hammer; and provided this Android with, almost, unlimited intelligence. Also, in the same issue, Dr. Blake, by duress, helped a scientist with an apparatus that could duplicate anything or anybody; including Thor and his hammer. Talk about instant cloning!!! Also, we must not forget that the Asgardians had, in the past, used highly technical advance weapons against the likes of Surtur, The Mangog, Seth, etc; including, when Odin provided Thor a Star Ship for the purpose of finding Galactus in their second encounter. Furthermore, Thor knows most of Earth's languages- Thor-#290.

>No? What are the argouments that back this up?

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(You)

Unfortunately, nobody has issued an official word on it being non-canon, so until then it's about as canon as everything else at Marvel.

Hulk fought Superman in the Spider-man/Superman crossover comic where they had to stop Doom.
Superman won.

Mr. Immortal can beat both. No one can beat time and both will age and die while Mr. Immortal will just out last them both

>No one can beat time
You underestimate comic book characters

If morals were off Superman would drive his fist into Hulk's eye a million times before Hulk processed a thought.

Hulk is slow.

Slow compared to Supes but he's pretty fast.

Superman.

I like Hulk way more though

>For one thing, Thanos is currently and finally dead.
>Hopefully they'll keep him on ice for a few years, please God...
Doubtful. He will definitely comeback within a year. Remember when Wolverine, Steve Rogers, Cyclops and etc "died"? They all came back like within a year. Marvel just can't help themselves. Last main character with a prolong death was probably Thor.

Yeah, I thought so. You know I’m right when I said that the 6 Dimensions contradict established canon. Especially considering you provided more and more example on how it clashes.

I think Superman can win but Hulk is not fucking slow.

Compared to Superman he might as well be frozen in time.

The Hulk has infinite regeneration. superman doesn't. hulk is just like doomsday, only that much stronger and with better healing factor. superman would only beat hulk until hulk got pissed enough to break superman like a pencil

That's the problem with Superman, that is, why he's a bad character.
They gave him every known power and ability, which the origin story falls far short of explaining:
>he's from another planet.
Soups is a stupid character and the fans are the worst.
I've refrained from posting here thus far, fearing a Souper fan was going to have a bit of a wank.
Sure enough, WANK EVERYWHERE.
DC is dying.
It's over.

Superman being significantly faster than his opponent rarely gives him the advantage. We have already seen this multiple times when Superman fought either Orion, Darkseid, Doomsday, Metallo, Brainiac, the Fatal Five, Damage, and several others.

Super-Speed, Super-Reflexes and Super-Intelligence are the least-used Superman powers in comics. They only come up as a plot contrivance, they almost never figure into a fight unless Superman is against someone else with ridiculous speed.

>You know I’m right
You aren't. The fact that you think DC gives a shit beyond just doing whatever the fuck it wants is quite telling of this. You're about as bad as the Ewinfags in this very thread, if you aren't one yourself.

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Fuck off, Ladderfag. Go shove more fat Mouse cocks up your ass.

SOUP IS LAME.
DC IS DYING.
IT'S OVER.

>Huh duh Supes bad cause to op
>But my super awesome magic Hulk wank is a totally cool character you guys!
The absolute state of Hulkfags. I think Ewing might’ve rotted what’s left of your brains.

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>THUS BEGINS THE STORY OF ROGAL ZHARR!!

Hulk's got struggles that make him interesting. Superman is just a retarded power fantasy created for 7 year-olds

>Brofessor Hulk literally saves half the universe and is a cool guy with extra tacos in the highest grossing movie of all time (unadjusted)
>Superman is reduced to a headless costume "cameo" in a resounding flop.

I think the world knows the answer to the great debate.

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Whatever you say, Ewingfag.

If you’re 6

Exactly
Really puts it into perspective
>Ewingfag
>Mouse cock
Whelp, there ya go.

Hulk by KO.

>a complex character, that struggles with his troubled childhood, with his repressed anger, multiple personality disorder, loneliness and his wild godly power vs some faggot that saves people and is really really strong

makes one wonder

Superman, it's literally already happened

Beyond based

That’s not earth right?

Hulk can evolve new powers and has do impossible things, so anything is possible.

Essentially, he's Doomsday and we all know how that fight went.

Unless Superman is willing to toss aside morals and fight dirty, it's not so simple. If Superman is willing to do so and go the Injustice route, then all bets are off.

And yeah, Thor's no match for Supes or Shazam.

>Thor's no match for Supes
Thor could trap Superman in another dimension and there isn't shit Clark would be able to do

But Superman wins against Doomsday a lot since after that. He killed Superman like once.

He looks gay

The second time Superman fought Doomsday was barely a fight, the guys a joke after the first fight.

You're really not good at this whole samefagging thing.

Superman obliterated Doomsday the second time around. You're literally clinging onto old news.

Superman could just break through. Like when he broke out of Hypertime.

You are an actual idiot, aren't you?

>NO U!
Pot meet kettle.

You are soooo hurt by Superman sucking...
Get used to it.
It's been going on a long ass time.

It's not reflected anywhere else. It's Starlin's pocket universe, which he is allowed to keep in deference to his past work - mainly, creating Thanos.

>hulk is just like doomsday, only that much stronger

Nnnnno.

DC just has higher levels of raw power.

>TFW Grant Morrison does exactly this

>Superman obliterated Doomsday the second time around.

Nnnno. The second time they fought Waverider ended up sending him into the future.

Superman could just phase through the Hulk's punches like he does here to Doomsday.

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>Casually throws a proto-black hole into a distant galaxy potentially killing billions of innocents
God I love silver age bullshit

I love when Superman goes god mode

>The fact that you think DC gives a shit beyond just doing whatever the fuck it wants is quite telling of this
That’s the complete opposite of what I’m saying. I’m saying DC has shitty continuity, retard.

What is the essential Sivanacore reading?

>Superman's got struggles that make him interesting. Hulk is just a retarded power fantasy created for 7 year-olds
FTFY

>WAAAAAAAAAAA

>It's not reflected anywhere else. It's Starlin's pocket universe, which he is allowed to keep in deference to his past work - mainly, creating Thanos.
And yet it's still canon until otherwise stated.

Just like how Identity Crisis and Heroes in Crisis are canon!

Identity Crisis and HiC, for all their shit, never made it so the literal supreme God of the entire multiverse is getting fisted by a giant prune.

Stubborn little cuss, are you?

It IS canon - to his little pocket universe, and nowhere else.

>Waaahhhhh Superman can beat up characters I like

Don't be such a fucking pussy.

Hulk only has "infinite" regeneration in his current Immortal incarnation, who can be immediately be depowered by placing him in sunlight. Superman could easily knock him to the other end of the planet to bring him back to Banner. Or, he could just beat the living daylights out of him until dawn, either way. He can't kill Hulk, but Hulk can't even hit Superman if he doesn't want to be.

Superman only presses the speed advantage when he "needs" to. Doomsday is explicitly also a speedster, and some like Damage didn't require speed to beat, he just held him in place for an hour instead of just punching him into a bloody pulp at superluminal speeds.

But then you have characters he has blitzed, like Mongul Jr., several Imperiex Probes, Zod and Ursa in Last Son of Krypton, and instances where he doesn't blitz, but is confirmed to be fighting at super speeds like recently against Rogol Zaar in the Phanton Zone.

By comparison, Hulk has almost no notable speed showings, not on the level of Superman or some of the people he fights. Not even close.

>calms down
>morphs into Banner
>Vacuum starts to kill Banner
>Turns into another Hulk
>Repeat until the resulting Hulk is Maestro (Stonger than Hulk, Smarter than Banner, final form of the Hulk. Also evil)
>Maestro uses intellect to return to Earth via calculating a perfect slingshot around a large celestial object.
>Maestro starts emitting Kryptonite radiation and destroys Superman
>Rules Earth forever
Okay

Ah yes, Marvel vs DC. Where Lobo loses to Wolverine and Wonder Woman loses to fucking STORM.

Nah. It's entirely canon for all of Marvel. Enjoy your little delusions tho.

Don't forget the Immortal Hulk is also a bestseller that beat even Batman!

Nah, FireStorm already 1shotted Thor.

Either character is as strong as they are written to be.
Hulk is a more well-liked and popular character now, and has been in a successful string of movies. Movies featuring the Hulk have grossed what, 8 billion dollars worldwide? Superman fizzled out, the actor wisely bailed, there is nothing slated to star Superman for years on out. He's washed up.
His comic book son, the last interesting aspect of his solo comic book, was aged up and thrown in amongst the space-transvestites of the 30th century.
In animation and vidya gaems, Superman is only interesting as a twisted, evil parody of himself, which really says a lot.

His franchise is more badly damaged than Star Wars.

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I love how you started with "either character is as strong as written", and then you go talking bullshit about popularity.

The general intelligence of Marvelfags is really something.

>oh no no no no no

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Not sure how this shitty post proves that you aren't a whiny little bitch sucking Mouse cock and sperging when people earnestly talk about Superman instead of acting like a part of your hivemind.

Yes, comparing power levels are pointless, as both characters are written up to the point of absurd hyperbole.
They are exactly as tough as the writer wants them to be, with no upper limit whatsoever.

Thus, they can only be compared in other aspects. Which Superman objectively loses in pretty much every case. Cry Moar.

If you bothered to read all my replies, you’d notice how none of it mentioned Marvel, Disney, or bashing Superman, retard.

Hell, If you trace it backnonly a few replies further, you’d notice that I said that Superman beats The Hulk. So don’t get your panties in a twist over invisible speeds. This seems to be between you and the Hulk fag.

invisible spergs*

That’s a bit of an overstatement. If you include Silver Age Superman? Then yes. If you mean Post-Crisis Superman? Then no. Especially with the amps he’s getting in Immortal Hulk. I still think Supes might win but it really depends at times.

Hulk does not have a single solo film that was particularly successful or well-regarded, whereas Reeves' original Superman film was groundbreaking and is an icon unto itself, and even Man of Steel performed better than Hulk or The Incredible Hulk while getting similar mixed reviews.

Hulk is a side character in a larger product that is successful, he himself has never carried a film and that's a fact my man.

What amps in Immortal Hulk make him faster to compare to post-crisis Superman?

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He got amped in all stats because he’s currently stronger than even WB Hulk. He slapped away an avatar of the one below all, didn’t he? Or did I get that wrong?

Leave this to El Hermano

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Jimmy Olsen (Hombre Tortuga) >>>>>>> El Hermano

>implying

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>base Jimmy one punched Silver Age Superman
Tortuga is overkill

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El Hermano de Jiren can fight and even defeat Shaggy Blanco

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It was an artificial future universe.

This is an idiotic fight. You wanna throw someone from Marvel up against Supes? Pic related.

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Superman will be crushed under the weight of irrelevancy.
Screen cap it.

>Hulk is like Doomsday

No he is not. Doomsday is as fast as Flash. He has no internal organs or systems. He has super senses and instant evolution.

Hulk is really strong, the madder he gets the stronger he gets. Nowadays he doesnt stay dead and sunlight makes him revert.

But he doesnt return from the dead with newly evolved defenses for whatever killed him like Doomsday does. Doomsday isnt intelligent like Hulk is, at least as intelligent.

Doomsday meets Darkseid and he beats him within an inch of dying. Thanos slaps Hulk around on the regular.

The Avengers recently beat Hulk. The JL gets their ass kicked by Doomsday.

I mean, if youre making DC comparisons, current Hulk is Solomon Grundy except green.

Literally got one-shot by Sun God, one of Marvel's numerous Not-Supermans.

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Poor guy.

He deserved better.

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The MCU reconned Hulk into being a limp dicked cuck who can't get shit done.
Even rage hulk was made into a pussy who was too scared to come out and play after getting bitch slapped by Thanos.

MCU don't like men or masculinity.

Leave this to me

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>Doomsday is as fast as Flash
that sounds retarded

He should have enough cognitive speed to react to the flash, but not to run the same as the flash. Kinda like how Thanos can dodge Silver Surfer’s telegraphed tackle, despite not being able to fly/run as fast as him

Eh, stupidest speed feat I've ever seen is Inheritors outrunning spider-sense (precognition). They can get to places before they would have gotten there had they not already been there. They can outrun the future.

He's not actually as fast as Flash, just compared to his speed to illustrate how shockingly fast he is by Booster Gold.

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Superman is stronger but he can’t dish out anything that the hulk won’t survive. They fight literally forever so it doesn’t matter.

Hulk is a punk-ass bitch who consistently has trouble with Spider-Man and Captain America. The mere fact that "World Breaker" is a unique description for his max unleashed power should be telling.

this isn't really in relation to anything recent but I got high and scrolled this thread and saw a pet peeve of mine mentioned a few times so I'm gonna vent for a sec regardless of the current conversation

DC vs Marvel was a fan-voted series, was pretty garbage, led to Amalgam, is not canon in any way

Avengers/JLA is four issues of solid gold, is debate canon (less so post nu52) and should absolutely be used as proof that DC magic is stronger, Superman beats Thor, Hawkeye is better than Green Arrow, Aquaman's aquatic mind control wouldn't instakill Namor, ect

It all depends on which Hulk and which Super Man. We needs some rules here honestly.
I go with: The strongest version vs strongest version. Dropping any version that is more or less a different character. Be it totally different power set, or personality, ect.
In my case i'm almost certain Super man would win if he didn't hold back. Especially if he is quick about it. Hulk is like a train, powerful and fast, but has to build up momentum. Superman is like a ICBM nuke. Fast, packs a sudden punch in comparison, and doesn't need to build much momentum to explode but can go far if need be

Lex only uses Superman to justify himself. He's a insane megalomaniac by default

Hulk always says he's the strongest there is, but what's the strongest thing he's ever done in a comic? Has he ever benchpressed Earth?

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Hulk. Supes won't kill, Hulk will.

Supes has killed whenever he's had no other option. This will turn into a Doomsday 2.0, unless he somehow figures out about Banner, at which point he'll try his best to revert Hulk back to normal.

As someone just stepping into the thread, and more than a little over all the company wars bullshit, who honestly gives a fuck? Powerlevel wank is just fun discussion. Bringing in populairty just reduces it to a shit flinging 'my thing is more valuable than your thing because more people like it this year'. It's pointless. All these characters are timeless. In a few centuries kids will still likely know these characters, even if it's only through history class and they are relics compared to whatever they are being entertained by, but there will still be fans/'scholars' who like them. Both Marvel and DC could cease to be in any given month. The tides of popularity can also turn year by year. In a decade we could have the opposite situation.

Marvel and DC are both in an odd place at the moment, and so are the classic characters. I would actually argue that since after Reeve wore the suit Superman has struggled to appeal to an increasingly nihilistic and self-absorbed couple of generations. Smallville is probably the last time he had any great success on screen.

We can't even really say the Hulk himself is doing great. His own two films basically crashed and burned. They have also treated him with little to no respect in the MCU movies, heavily downgrading his powers and strength, and by Endgame turning him into an uncool nerd whose only contributions were science based and having his arm almost burned off. He deserves better.

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Imagine getting ivested in a fucking battleboards thread for chrissakes.

Doesn't The Age of the Sentry does everything it can to imply that the Sentry is actually the fractured and broken essence from a Superman of a timeline in which Crisis on Infinite Earths ended really badly and the serum just grounds that essence into it's host? The "million exploding suns" thing being a warped memory of the crisis, "Destroyer Darkmass" presumably being a warped memory of either Darkseid or the Anti-Monitor and the Void (and some of Sentry's other supervillains) being some violent kneejerk reaction by the Marvel multiverse attempting to balance itself out?

I'm usually a DC guy and even I think that's some horseshit. This goes beyond memes. This is literally saying the mere vestiges of Superman's broken essence channeled into an imperfect vessel and further consumed by the counter-force sent to match him can bend space-time enough to retroactively enforce his existence as the strongest superhero. Worse, the most recent Sentry comic ended with /the "Sentry" as Bob Reynolds merging with the Void/ and AotS' Robert Reynolds ACTUALLY SHOWED UP in Contest of Champions.

So that guy is 100% canon.
Fuck.

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So i read this and wouldnt that mean he killed a lot of fucking people? or was that thing forger showed just not real?

>he even looks like Darkseid mixed witht he Anti-Monitor
Well, I was skeptical, but fuck if you aren't right. Headcanon accepted.

If it's weak ass 90s Superman Hulk wins but it is a long and hard fight.
If it is any other Superman Hulk loses without any real effort being expended on Superman's part.