ITT: Characters whose powers you don't understand

Wanda is an actual witch. She does magic. Her power is basically magical affinity.

Nah. Wanda has always been a quantum reality warper. In a typically limited field of effect she can alter the probably of a desired outcome.

He definitely is Omega now.

He can't be superior to someone who can move ANYTHING, magnetic or not. BUT, he can do more than just move magnetic things, because he's got some control over the whole EM spectrum.

Even if you ignore all his wacky original powers, remember that one time he created a wormhole just before House of M, and then we all forgot about it?

You can move anything with magnetism
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Thats because hax like that is boring and stupid

Magneto can control electromagnetism, to the subatomic level. Nothing hard about it.
He therefore can control metal, create energy/radiation blasts, levitate, create a force field and etc.
What I don't get is what the fuck is Marvel's power cosmic.

Apocalypse

Mr Sinister

Morpheo

Martian Manhunter

Came here to post this
Good man.

>He can't be superior to someone who can move ANYTHING, magnetic or not.
If you could actually control the electromagnetic force that would be the same as saying you can do anything, including the manipulation of anything involving atoms and the control over any sort of chemical reaction.
But in the comics and movies it's usually just the ability to move metal around because trivial toys like kitchen magnets are all anyone thinks of when they hear "magnetism."

The Power Cosmic is basically residual energy from the Big Bang residing inside of Galactus body, and can be used by those who wield it to do pretty much anything at all as it is the original energy that formed all matter and energy in our current universe.

>Nothing hard about it.
It's one of the four fundamental forces that account for all physical phenomena in the universe. If you think it's not a hard topic to understand you don't understand it.

Officially Omega now.

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He’s also fucked around with radiation, electricity, light, heat, etc. His powers are fairly extensive, especially when he’s a bad guy.
The strongest argument for Maggs NOT being an Omega-class mutant was that there were actual limitations on his powers, which before Omega-level mutant titles got thrown around by any writer who wanted a cheap and meaningless way to say the comics equivalent of “his Power Level is higher then Goku’s!” actually had a specific meaning, namely that within the purview of their specific power their abilities were both limitless and utterly inexhaustible.
Previously you could tire Magneto out, or he needed mechanical boosts to do certain feats and shit like that as well as him having a maximum operating distance with which he could reach his powers.

Funny, because repeatedly there has been shown shit he can’t do without aid.
It’s amazing how somehow the 2000’s and 2010’s have shittier and less consistent continuity and writing then the fucking 1990’s.

Is clear that Stan Lee had no idea how powerful Magneto powerset is when he decided to rip off Dr Polaris, he could control matter at an even smaller scale than Atoms, he should be able to do anything Molecule Man(before turning into a reality warper) could do.

>that explanation of what makes omegas
I'm pretty sure most of that list has shown limits or been surpassed. Especially Jean, Quire, and Storm.

Wait. Storm is omega now?

So he got LIMITLESS CONTROL OVER ONE OF THE 4 FUNDAMENTAL FORCES OF NATURE?

Holy fuck, that would make him able to defeat Thanos instantly or destroy earth without any problem.

>destroy earth without any problem
He would be able to do the snap from Infinity War easily.

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Storm need to have her powers properly defined.

Hickman's charts declared a bunch of omegas

Hickman is doing bullshit after bullshit after bullshit.

Apocalypse's base power set is shape shifting and altering his size. Everything else he does is a side effect of Celestial tech.

Mr.Sinister has the same power set as base Apocalypse. He experimented on himself to obtain extra powers.
Storm's power set is weather manipulation.

His power is control over any domain so long as the current writer knows how to win six degrees of separation with magnets and said domain.

ie. bullshit, whatever-powers that the writers come up with on the spot. I hate both of those villains for exactly this reason.

Apocalypse should have just kept his base powers instead of the Celestial Armor hax.

Mr.Sinister should just be psychic.

She was years overdue for it.

Once upon a time his power was basically to just do whatever the fuck he wanted as long as he somehow worked the phrase “magnetism” or “electromagnetism” into the inevitable description of what he just did.

She actually makes sense as an Omega because she HAS been shown to alter weather patterns on a global scale and she’s even more powerful in space.
The main difference between her powers and other Omega-level mutants is that unlike Nate Grey’s telekinesis or whatnot, her powers actually gotta come from somewhere and the more massively she alters the environment the more she has to alter existing weather patterns across a wider distance.

Like when Emma Frost took over her body and began spamming her powers without really understanding how they worked, causing more and more environmental problems as a side effect.

I never figured out why Storm couldn’t just like...fix global warming if she was so powerful.

Because global warming isn’t about holes in the ozone layer or anything like that, it’s just trapped greenhouse gasses.
I guess if she could like control plants on the same level as she controlled the weather and caused trees everywhere to grow more while causing them to consume and process carbon dioxide a thousand times more efficiently then they do now she might be able to fix it.

But that’s more of a Swamp Thing thing.

remember that one time she got a new power form during imprisonment at Doom and it never appeared again?

the same reason why Reed Richards does not fix it

no, its bullshit levels of;

he can manipulate metal

to

he can fucking manipulate anything on a tiny scale due to how MAGNETISM SCIENTIFICALLY WORKS

he was a fucking 60s villain dammit, just make him move metal!

Storm herself said Crystal was equal to her. Magneto at least has no one to really compare him to

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No, she actually has in-universe reasons. Though to be perfectly honest, if Reed ACTUALLY fixed everything he’d cause massive social upheaval.
Make medicine free and easy, and anyone important who has money in the health care industry looses billions as does any economic entities invested in health care. Make energy free and you literally collapse several major economies in such a way that causes violent civil war, and many major energy companies will throw every dollar they have to opposing it. Maximize education and you suddenly have a populace that is very smart and is recognizing that the vast majority of them will not get good jobs because they all have equal qualifications now and the number of decent jobs are limited.

Literally the only economy and resource method that has ever been employee on planet earth is a scarcity economy, which literally has the idea that some people will have less then others built into it as a core concept. You can’t just remove the concept literally our entire civilization is built off of without incredible social upheaval because literally ANYONE who is invested in the status quo stands to loose by such a change.

So you’re saying Reed Richards CAN fix everything, but he doesn’t because the human race is shitty?

>Moira and Omega level magneto get beaten by super heroes and mag gets killed
>Moira and non Omega Apocalypse wipe humanity and possibly beat the sentinel uprising too
Omegas ain't shit

Ultimatum's Magneto is not 616 Magneto.

It’s more like “Reed Richards can fix everything but doesn’t because he’s intelligent enough that forcing such dramatic social changes overnight would very likely end more lives then he might save”.
I mean, it’s not too great an exaggeration to say that making every existing government on Earth obsolete would likely lead to multiple violent wars over a very rapid period of time.

If he had full control of electromagnetism he would be orders of magnitude more powerful than he is. He would be just shy of Molecule Man.

Well, he apparently can't fix our shittiness that gets in the way of fixing damn near everything else. An important thing to understand, he still tries, it's just that seeing him actually succeed at it would alter the world in such a way it'd render it entirely unrecognizable.

Here is a guy that knows his shit.

user, there is no need for justification for Reed's lack of action. I don't believe that smartest person on the planet can create a cure for everything but could not predict and prevent negative social reaction. The reason why Storm, or Reed, or Stark or Beast or literally anyone else doesn't fix global warming is because comics are supposed to represent our world. That is why in universe with super geniuses you still have cape stories about characters dying from cancer even though 50 later that may seem unbelievable. It's just how capeshit works

>scientists prove some GUT
>a year or so later an ultra Magneto wank comic comes out that makes him basically omnipotent and multiversal

Hickman is butchering the X-men universe.

I imagine Reed Richards mind as arguably being the most dangerous thing on Marvel’s Earth, simply because he could at any time undo human civilization over a course of maybe like five years tops simply by fixing all of our problems and then watching us destroy ourselves due to our inability to handle it.

He probably has basically resigned himself to making small, incremental changes over time. Clearly the basic tech level of the Marvel universe is MUCH higher then Earth’s, it’s just that who has access to this greater technology is currently limited.

I bet you there’s a million small but brilliant things in the Marvel U that are commonplace that he invented that people don’t even notice.

>if Reed ACTUALLY fixed everything he’d cause massive social upheaval
That's bullshit, fixing cancer and global warming wouldn't make the world worse, there is no good explanation, if a super genius existed irl and fixed those things mankind would simply focus in other problems because I don't think you know but there is HUNDREDS OF GIANT PROBLEMS TO DEAL WITH

F4 is just just stupid, Richards is overpowered and story always fall apart because of it.

The only way to stop human beings from acting shitty is to remove free will entirely. I mean we now know Exxon and a bunch of other companies spent BILLIONS doing more environmental research then anyone on planet earth and came to the conclusion that we are DEFINITELY going to die of global warming by the mid 1970’s....and they kept suppressing that shit anyway because they were too stupid to believe the science or literally did not care and decided it was their grandchildren’s problem, not theirs.

Ironically, this is probably why in all those timelines where Doom takes over the nations he creates are nearly perfect; he’s got zero issues with taking away free will and simply killing anyone and everyone who disagrees with his ideas of how things should be done.

I have read a truly revolting number of comics.

Spider-Man. What exactly does the spider sense detect?

Can peter see the future? Along with super strength, speed and a mind that creates web shooters.

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Okay, cancer and global warming I’ll give you. Both fundamentally don’t have enough impact on an individuals day to day lives or how governments are run except on an extremely long-term basis for fixing them to cause social problems.

>What exactly does the spider sense detect? Can peter see the future?
Yes. Spider-Man is connected to the web of fate. The spider sense is actual premonition.

>LIMITLESS CONTROL OVER ONE OF THE 4 FUNDAMENTAL FORCES OF NATURE
This has always been the case. Writers just underestimate what "controlling magnetism" would entail. And then you have some of them using to full effect like with Xorn.

What sre the odds a wall of metallic shards turn into a field of flowers

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Apparently it can work as a radio signal of sorts because his trackers operate off of his spider-sense somehow.
Mostly his spider-sense works by detecting danger, sort of “pointing” in the direction and intensity of a threat just as a threat appears. It actually happens faster then his reflexes can compensate for; he’s many, many, MANY times detected danger with it but been hit by it anyway because he was given no time to react, though this is at least in part because of he’s not paying attention he can “miss” it, especially since he never shuts the fuck up and always blathers on and on to people when he should be paying attention.

A reoccurring element of Spidey is that when he STOPS quipping you should be very worried, because it means he is 100% focused on the fight and his reflexes and spider-sense are perfectly in tune, making him nearly impossible to beat.

If mutant powers come from X-genes how can you have an x-gene when you don't have a body

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Did Magneto ever atomized anyone? With this power he can do it to literally anything.

Seriously his telekinesis bullshit is a massive waste of time when he could simply instantly kill anyone.

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Cosmic Awareness. The explanation makes sense but applications and limits seem to be all over the the place. Sometimes you can see through illusions or see the future. Marv and Black Bolt's seem to be like a spidey sense for threats to the universe rather than themselves. Is space stuff actually happening or an effect for readers? Why is it on the skin for some and the clothes for others?

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thank god you posted this because i was in need for miracles.

He doesn’t do it cos he can’t.
Later writers lack of research and shitty writing not withstanding, he has actual limits on his powers, even if they are VERY expansive.

>Did Magneto ever atomized anyone?
No and this is what I mean with not understanding what his powers could be logically pushed.
Truth be told the same is true for the majority of superpowers, telekinesis and energy manipulation more than others.

The important thing about powers that people forget is the degree and potency. Infinite potency on most powers will lead to some really wank results and basically omnipotence.

Part of the problem is with modern comics writers using massive serial escalation to dramatically increase seemingly EVERY superheroes powers over time as a shortcut to clever writing.

That’s kinda what I mean.
Example: a lot of people seem to think “controls/generates this particular type of energy” seem to automatically think that they can do so in unlimited amounts to an infinite degree.
Prior to the 2000’s the number of character who actually DID have zero limitations on their powers were relatively few in number, probably less then ten total on planet Earth.

He manipulated matter at a molecular scale more than once, there is no good reason why he couldn't pull a Dr Manhattan on anyone who piss him off, his genius intellect, decades of intense training plus lack of morals only makes things even more absurd.

Whenever he starts shaping matter like clay it tends to be metallic matter. I’m pretty sure regular magnetism is just “easier” for him.

Dr Manhattan never get tired, thats the difference.

We need more scenes of people like Strange and Magneto being exhausted after big power stunts so people get that they're not infinite power batteries

ok and fixing food, energy and such?
those are bad things? are we supposed to WORK REAL HARD for something we would get in 100 years in 10 with this super genius?

fuck that shit.
you know for a fact shit like wakanda is holding back because they are assholes who are WE KANGS N SHEET, FUCK WHITEY holding back all that tech and shit.

oh, there would be bad things happening with misuse and shit? WELL DUH, THAT IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GIVE IT TO THE RUSSIANS, ASIANS AND NOGS.

Some characters seem weaker than they should be. Like Zatanna, who you'd think would be a super heavy hitter with her power to make anything happen by saying it backwards, but most of the time she is a jobber who casts ineffective spells and proceeds to do nothing while Superman, Constantine, Batman, etc handle the battle. Pic somewhat related

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well, that is a bit unfair, DC's magic dept isn't as good as Marvel's.

I don't get it, how does his powers work?

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the real reason nobody uses their superpowers or superintelligence to fix most of what's wrong with humanity is quite simple
if they did the entire superhero genre is now far-future scifi and human society wouldn't even remotely be recognizable
there's no reason why Reed hasn't turned the world into a post-scarcity utopia other than writer mandate

I mean Crystal does weird shit

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>regular magnetism
regular magnetism is inherent to all matter tho. And when you control magnetism you control electricity as well. Actually he should be able to shoot lightning like Thor

He shoots lightning in MVC

>anyone important who has money in the health care industry looses billions
>you literally collapse several major economies
Why should anyone care? They would have free healtcare, free food and don't need to work. What would they be fighting for?

So how do you hack a power battery from Bolivia?

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The fun thing is that military almost always depicted as advanced, with mechs, lasers and stuff, and yet there is no economical crisis to be seen

the same way you build Iron Man suit in a garage

>teen lantern
BENDIIIIIIIIIIIS!!!

Or build a cosmic cube

explain doom

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a bit of science, a bit of sorcery, a bit of tyranny.

Science+Magic and the occasional omnipotence

>Mister M
Has he appeared on anything over the past decade?

Doom is

Based Franklin

Not really, DC magic is just as explored and developed if not more than Marvel.

The cartoons and video games have Magneto shooting lightning but I've never seen him shoot lightning in the comics.

99% of Marvel magic is copied from DC, Marvel magic is literally poor man DC magic.

He's
ugly

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>Comic magic
>Explored and developed

Nah, DC or Marvel they are just the same bullshit that author pulls out of their ass without any rule or limit

Where's MJJ?

>they are just the same bullshit that author pulls out of their ass without any rule or limit
Ins't that magic in general?

No, it's not magic in general, it's lazy writing in general.

>Isn't that superheroes in general?
ftfy

if i wore no metal things on me would magnetos magnet blast do anything to me? if so why?

What is actually Apocalypse's power, without the ayylium upgrades?

Magneto blast is basically laser

Shape shifting and size alteration.

Cause Electomagnetism is one of the 4 foundamental forces. It's inherent to matter itself not just metal.

This is Apocalypse disguising himself as a normal human, and firing an energy beam from his hand, before he obtained any Celestial tech. His powers were first defined as immortality plus "total control over the molecules of his body", giving him shape changing and the ability to give himself any new power he wanted. Some writers have tried to credit much of his power to Celestial technology or the techno-organic virus, but there are always other stories showing him using those powers earlier in his life. The main thing they do seem to give him is letting his shape changing powers include changing parts of himself into machinery as well as organic forms.

Sinister's powers include telepathy and telekinesis, which aren't part of Apocalypse's normal powerset. Sinister gained his shape-changing powers by stealing them from the mutant Courier, in Gambit's solo book.

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I have no idea how legions works.
Supposedly he can generate powers with seemingly no limit But the catch is he gets a new personality or something?
Never read much legion stuff, from a glance at the wiki it seems the only reason he gets new personalities is because of some trauma he experienced as a child?

>tfw mah boi Nate Grey didn’t get on that chart
Sad.

>tfw muggas picked a fight with the side who has a Reality Manipulator [Universal] when their best ones are quantum, negative and psionic
Hilarious

I think he can have any powers he needs (the manifestation part) but said powers are linked to various personalities that take over while said power is active.

Where the eXternals ever explained?

This has been true forever. Mah boi can’t comprehend how to stop a man with an axe from hitting him. Even though I’m pretty sure Thor has, you know, countered with the transcendent 500 IQ tactic of hitting back with a hammer.

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So you’re saying Darkseid getting the Anti-Life Equation and coming to Marvel would actually improve the place?

The "X-Gene" is the modern explanation for mutants. Was it Morrison who first used the term? In the 1960s it was just blamed on radiation. One gene causing people to have powers, and the same gene causing so many different powers makes no sense, but the books have spent almost 20 years entrenching the X-gene concept into the continuity, making it difficult to change or replace.

The Externals are mutants who are immortal in addition to their other powers. Apocalypse and Selene were retconned into being Externals.

Checking Wikipedia & Marvel Database for the Externals' other powers
>Absalom - extending bone spikes
>Burke - precognition
>Candra - telekinetic, can activate the powers of latent mutants
>Crule - claws, fangs, enhanced senses, strength, speed, agility, reflexes, coordination, balance, and endurance
>Gideon - Super Human Enhancement Assimilation: the power to temporarily endow himself with the super powers of any beings in his proximity and to understand and use those powers better.
>Nicodemus - pyrokinesis
>Saul - magic manipulation, abilities include energy blast, levitation, shapeshifting, and not being burned by fire

seriously wtf does green hand even do

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The X-gene was a way to make Mutants different from Doom Patrol outcasts

His power is to have all powers, limited only by his mental illness. In theory he is the strongest mutant.

Is Cannonball still and External or did that get retconned?

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Similar to that story about Wolverine and Sabretooth being descended from a race of wolf people, it had a low-effort retcon where someone declared it to be lies, Selene in this case, without offering any proof, and it was never mentioned again.

Why are people so obsesed with magic having rules? No one cares when super science guys can shit out super armors and cosmic artifacts with just sole random sciency explanation, but the moment a wizard pulls out a rabbit from a hat without a two page explanation of how that happened nerds go apeshit

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He manipulates and generates electromagnetic fields, allowing him to move and manipulate things composed of metal, create magnetic fields, etc. Effectively it allows him to do whatever he wants with metal, fly, and sometimes generate "beams" of energy (in some versions).

>Everybody is omega now
Christ, at this rate we’ll reach the level of that x-men parody with the guy that can speak every language in a few months.

>and sometimes generate "beams" of energy (in some versions).
Does he ever do that outside of vidya

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Nice quads, satan+.
The list did trim the fat for omega class a bit, mostly got rid of a lot of telepaths.

Cartoons as well

The X-gene has been around since at least the 90s

Why when she says no more mutants some mutant are left? I don't understand her powers either. Plot convenience are her powers?

They changed from "radiation" to "genetics" as the cause of mutants, but if you have evidence of the term "X-gene" being used before Morrison, post proof or issue numbers.

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>No one cares
A fuck ton of people do

bruh that is riding pretty high up he hips

it's such a weird combination
>duplicate matter
>commands life and death
>can cure any disease
those might be related, so those are fine but then you get shit like
>turn water into booze because party
>duck powers to walk on water
so you have some kind of alcoholic duck thing going on too

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But does he know that? He coulld just be doing what he can understand being able to do, since if he fucks up then the whole planet is fucked.
>Let's see if I can disintigrate this one guy
>he disintigrates a lot of stuff behind the one guy, such as a good chunk of Earth's crust and the moon
>I vastly regret everything I said a second ago

Gonna be honest: I’ve read a whole bunch of X-Men and Avengers with Scarlett Witch and never been able to fully get how she works.

So far It's clearly been explained that controlling electromagnetism is a ridiculously powerful ability. Gravity manipulation is of course another powerful ability, but what about the other two forces? What could someone with control over the nuclear strong force do? And what could someone with control over the nuclear weak force do?

She has "hex bolts" as a mutation (or whatever the current canon calls it) and also reality altering I think? Then additionally she has regular magic she learned from various witches and sorcerers over time.

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She has the power of 'making whatever the plot needs to happen, happen,' and magic.

>An Inhuman Royal is as Strong as an Omega level Mutant
Sounds about right to me.

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Her magic ability comes from Chthon, who put part of his essence into her at birth.

Nah he is. pretty much since day 1, could do ridiculous shit like redirect asteroids. He's the one character that had to be nerfed as time went by.

It isn't true electromagnetic force but rather redirect and amplify / nullify already existing magnetic fields.

So he can't rearrange electrons to his whim but can bend their specific magnetic fields to ridiculous extents.

Still have no idea what the fuck Storm and Exodus are doing there.

Technically my nigga Cypher should be Omega.

Doesn't Doctor Manhatten have one or both of those? I don't know whether that's all or if he also has electromagnetism and/or gravity, so I'm not sure about what each thing he's ever done falls under for which power usage.

Storm powers are actually adaptive to the environment. She was able to control "solar winds" when she was space. Apparently she also has this "holding back the whole time" thing going on

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I dunno, it kinda doesn't strike me as consistent. Storm's role was always pretty specific and never really needed to prove she's hot shit.

Controlling solar winds makes sense, but her just flat out being able to flatten earth or deform a sun (something utterly ridiculous by example) is kinda too extreme for her. Doesn't fit her powerset or personality, I dunno how to describe it. It feels... wrong?

He is the SMT character of Marvel. He is a messiah chosen by Steven.

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plus storms in space don't work like storms on a planet. They are not really storms at all, we just call them that to simplfiy things. This is why I wish comic writer would do more research on things, like European and Japanese writers tend to do.

I see yoir point. But then again, other omegas are just as incosistent. Magneto can create wormholes on one day and can't lift non metals on other.

>They are not really storms at all, we just call them that to simplfiy things.
Eehh I guess that's up to what "weather manipulation" entails.

Does she control the characteristics of all gases or does she influences the "macro" of a planet's atmosphere (ie wind corridors)? I don't think that was ever defined.

I know he at least has strong force manipulation, I'm just no sure that alone would be enough to let him do everything he does. This thread just made me curious what a character that could manipulate all four fundamental forces could pull off. I know it would allow matter and energy manipulation, but I don't think it would be in the same league as a straight up reality manipulator.

There are multiple parts of the world where people actively vote against their best interests because of shockingly simple lies and then when things go to shit instead of rioting and tearing their leaders away en-masse they sit on their hands and do nothing.

People are stupid as fuck user.

For now. Now that the mouse owns Fox there's no reason they can't just revert the retcon, one origin is 50 years older than the other after all.

Spider-Sense has always made zero sense to me, half the time you’re supposed to just roll with it without any explanation as to what exactly it is, it bothers me way more than it should

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I DON'T WANNA TALK TO NO SCIENTIST
Y'ALL MOTHERFUCKERS LYIN' AN' GETTIN' ME PISSED

Reminder that low power levels generaly make for more interesting fights.

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This is good though. Fuck all the greedy abominations opposed to ending scarcity once and for all
It's immoral to let people die of starvation, violence or disease then you have power to stop it just so some fat greedy fuck could jack off over power he has

m.youtube.com/watch?v=0UgiJPnwtQU

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If magneto has complete control over electromagnetism does that mean he can turn himself or others invisible?
Can he broadcast his thoughts over radio?
Can he create higgs bosons?
Can he create electrical currents?

How they manage to attract all lobsters and not just the ones with metal beaks.

She's confusing because Marvel is retarded and can't decide what to do with her. Every few months she switches from mutant to witch to whatever bullshit they came up with. Even worse is the MCU, which has no fucking idea what her powers are.

The best character in comics is the best at many things.

Fucking Magneto, how does he work?

This. Folks should stop defending capitalism and the man!

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Depends on the writer

If it were me I'd just say that magneto can in theory do all that shit, but the level of concentration and control for it makes it impractical most of the time. He may be able to affect shit at an atomic level but i mean the dude cant see what hes doing, he just has a hunch and vague sensations of magnetic forces around him. Moving magnetic materials around to make a wall is arguably far easier for him to do than creating a shifting magnetic forcefield around his body, ya know?

>and sometimes generate "beams" of energy (in some versions).
It's fucking plasma. He's literally made of magnets. Making his hands railguns isn't fucking difficult.

Is this still canon?

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There's actually a perfectly logical explanation as to what Spider-sense is and how it works. You just aren't going to like it.

Peter's powers actually come from spider gods which in Marvel have among other things a strong connection to something called "The Web of Life and Destiny" which is the Marvel equivalent of the loom of the fates for the entire multiverse. The spider that bit him was one of their messengers, meant to magically empower champions for them. The radiation was almost completely incidental and has fuck all to do with most of his powers (other than his radioactive spider blood, which he actually has).

Anyway, being connected to the thing that literally controls the future of the multiverse means he can both sense and change the future. So, if he's predestined to experience some misfortune, he'll sense it before it happens and thereby avoid it assuming he doesn't ignore his sense, which unfortunately for him can happen instinctively if the threat is something he would never consider threatening. Also broadly he can determine direction of the threat (he actually uses his spider-sense in reverse to webswing, using it to detect the only directions that WON'T cause him to faceplant if he webs toward them) and the strength of the warning is dependent on the size of the threat and how close it is in time and space.

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He's not only done that, he's put people back together completely fine afterwards, just to prove a point

that chart is full of bullshit.
Omega mutants were those with limitless potential, who could eventually turn into abstract beings with universal or multiversal power.
And jean grey is definitely a omega telekinetik, she could rearrange matter on a subatomic level and destroy and then recreate the whole universe

I haven't read x-men stuff in over a decade so I'm not up to any new retcon.
Originally he was simply a powerful reality warper/manipulator, but due to his mental instability he was unable to fully control his powers, and he manifested multiple personalities, and each controlled one aspect of his powers, or manifested his power in a very simplified manner.

So he could do everything, but lacked the awareness to do anything, and his multiple personality disorder caused him to manifest personalities that could each do just one thing

the legacy virus I think targeted the x-gene?

The moral side of the equation is one we’re never really equipped to judge in all honesty (even in fiction) because there has never been a single individual in the entire history of the world who could alter the basic fundamentals of complex civilization overnight.

In the end one answer is as good as another because the question itself will never arise.

Who was he fighting?

Storm doesn't control the weather, Storm controls the "energies" that make up the weather and combines them to make weather phenomena. Her powers are basically electrokinesis, aerokinesis, thermokinesis and hydrokinesis. When her eyes go white, she sees the world as energy waves which she can then easily manipulate. It's why her bolts often have a 'punch' impact to them, she imbues them with kinetic energy.

The reason why she doesn't solve global warming is because she can't. Large weather phenomena require her to pull that "energy" from another place, a torrential rain in America dries out another part of Africa and stuff like that. If she does let loose, the effects would probably be similar to the movie Geostorm. Whirlwinds, storms and simultaneously flash-freezing and flash-heating halves of the Earth.

>Apparently she also has this "holding back the whole time" thing going on
What mutant doesn't nowadays? Jesus christ!

Vulcan

Vulcan is a shit tier character tho. I hope Hickman can salvage him.

Sounds about right user. U S A! U S A!

>It's fucking plasma.
I have a theory that Morrison intended Xorn "supernova" powers to be explained as Magneto creating and controlling plasma through his electromagnetic power.

As stupid as the web of life is, the spider sense was intended to mimick a spider sensing preys through his web, so the idea of a web connecting Spiderman to the world at large was bound to happen sooner or later.

Molecule Man? How does Matter Manipulation work?

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But high power levels make for more visually impressive fights

Matter Manipulation is usually depicted as the creation or destruction of matter.

This was the one good thing about Slot's spider-man. He used his crime fighting tech to make small improvements in society like using tech to fight people with fire and ice powers to create better containers for long distant organ transplants.

And some people genuinely wonder why comics are dropping like a rock in popularity every single year, who the actual fuck thought this was a good idea?

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I like nailing down what an Omega is but his is kinda bullshit. Also why do all writers suck Quire's dick so much. Who likes that kid?

Storm being an Omega based on that classification makes no sense since she has measurable limits as we have seen. I like her as an Omega but it makes no sense. Should just have simplified it to mutants that could cause an extinction level damage or something. I mean fuck does that make Wolverine or hell Deadpool (not technically a mutant I know) Omega level? Deadpool is essentially immortal meaning his healing factor has no real limit. Wolverine depending on the writer has healed from being nothing but a charred skeleton in minutes.

Give me some examples/pages. I'm really not being a smartass, it's just a power that I dont understand. I've read Ultimates by Ewing, and I liked Owen, but I was confused.

>scientists prove some GUT
>a year or so later an ultra Magneto wank comic comes out that makes him basically omnipotent and multiversal
You don't even need to establish the four fundamental forces are all just one force in order for total control of electromagnetism to equate with omnipotence.
EM already governs anything involving atoms and literally every possible chemical reaction.
It would be harder to think up things you *wouldn't* be able to do than things you could do if you had total EM manipulation power.

Doesn't Deadpool's regeneration gradually slow over the next thousand years? I remember one issue have him get run through the chest in 2700 and die.

A storm was brewing while this guy was trying to sleep at the time and then he told this non-sentient force of nature to be quite and be still. And the storm obeyed. The only way you justify his powers is that he has divine authority over all of existence. He stated "I am" to a bunch of Roman soldiers questioning his identity and they fell to the ground, as if they were bowing. Once you see him having command over reality, all the other OP and frankly absurd things he's able to pull off makes more sense.

What's the difference between rays, bolts and beams?

Most characters are holding back.

Vulcan getting up from that was bullshit. He didn't have regeneration before that. That two times Alex fried him, that alien that kicked his and Gladiator's ass, and most notably when Gladiator punched his eye out, he never healed. He gets most of his flesh obliterated here and suddenly his powers include a healing factor and to make it even worst he still couldn't fix his eye!

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There was this one time he died and then he just came back to life like, what the fuck the writers where thinking ? Broken powers

GRAVITY SQUEEZE

He multi classes engineering, science and magic

Sentry did the same thing. But he couldn't walk on water, so no church for him.

Dr Doom.

In the movies, he has electrokinesis. Other times, he uses magic, is just a normal guy with a robot army, or is Iron Man, or is Iron Man with magic..

Seems to run in Magneto's family. Are this kids powers magic bullshit, mutant bullshit, or gay bullshit.

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Superman + psionic powers and shapeshifting (which includes invisibility and intangibility)

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Isn't he cannonicaly the most op justice league member besides maybe flash?

>Even worse is the MCU, which has no fucking idea what her powers are.

you could argue the MCU is actually smarter, since they took her from being a normal superhuman and pushing her into the magic realm with DS 2

Faithless fool, when your time on Earth is done enjoy nothing.

She's a woman
They aren't very good

who is kid omega?

Yeah, he's usually number one or around that. It's hard to tell since every high tier justice league member is virtually unstoppable

I dunno maybe I'm underestimating what electron control entails because Magnetism and anti gravity powers seem to be within Black Bolt's abilities.

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So Wanda's mutant power, her hex bolts, are limited aoe in which she warps quantum reality by altering the probability of a desired outcome. She was given an additional power boost by her connection to Chthon as a baby, making her magics more effective and powering them to work on larger scales.

The retcon from Robinson's book that her maternal line were also witches could probably be reconciled as a similar affinity boost in which her mutant power makes her witchcraft more effective or vice versa. Although it's kind of a negative stereotype about Romani that they practice witchcraft, so I'm not certain how closely continuity hounds should hold to that one.

The editorially mandated retcon from Uncanny Avengers is lateral movement. Instead of x-gene originating quantum reality warp it's the result of the High Evolutionary's experiments. I don't think that negated the Chthon boost at all and it''ll probably be retconned back in the near future so it really doesn't bother me.

Electron manipulation is extremely op, but gravity is not part of that package.

Quantum shit makes practically anything possible, even if extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeemely unlikely.

DOOM is powerful because he decided to be.

How big is the hat?

Complete control over his body's molecules. Which generally means his body can do whatever the writer wants it to do.

>Was it Morrison who first used the term?
Get the fuck outta here.

Yeah no

Maybe the movies aren't the same as the comics. I'm so tired of having to explain that, why don't you get it?

He, or Xorn version, killed Jean Grey with a radiation burst.

>Technically my nigga Cypher should be Omega.
YES
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S

mfw Legion on TV is only a telepath, and has NO other personalities.

It was harder than I expected, but: uncannyxmen.net/comics/issue/excalibur-1st-series-88
>This particular one however contains the “X” gene that makes mutants.
1995

he was using a special machine tough,he cant just do it at will

He has used electricity in the comics before iirc

Leave Doom to me

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