I'm so fucking tired of this man and his fanboys. It's not funny anymore, I don't even feel bad for him anymore. I just want him to go away.
At least Joel Schumacher apologied for his Batman & Robin movie, but this guy?
Tom King is pure evil. He knows his writing can destroy any character he touches, and he enjoys it. It reminds me to that Bully from School that would torn apart all your things just for fun.
>I'm so fucking tired of this man and his fanboys so here's yet another thread on this man and his fanboys.
Captain Atom only exists to job now, unfortunately.
Let's be real here. Captain Atom is known for jobbing. That doesn't change the fact that Gotham Girl isn't a compelling character if you don't play up the fact that using her powers is literally killing her (because let's face it, she's not going to be dying like her brother did any time soon).
>Character acts smug before being BTFO
Holy shit this is such a fucking cliche.
We know almost nothing about Gotham Girl (and Gotham Man? What's his actual sup name?). so it's not like we can really say what she can and cannot do.
I thi,k the issue is more able making one-off joke characters character that literally are "what If Superman and Supergirl where established in Gotham" more relevant than they need to be to the DC universe.
She will never die while King is writing her. He will retcon her desease or something.
Give her 2 years and maybe she can kill Manhattan with one finger.
He’s right though. It’s not horrible writing. It’s horrible plotting and characterization. From a technical standpoint if these characters hadn’t had been previously established it would’ve been fine.
But that’s Tom Kings problem
This is so bad. It's just King wanking himself.
What I want to know is, why are Gotham Girl and her late brother the only ones to buy the "be more powerful than Superman" serum?
Honestly, the only solution to shitty writing is to just stop buying shitty comics.
If you have to have Batman every month, buy older comics or trades. There are decades of great stuff out there. Go find it.
Or better: try something new. Even if it's from the back issue bins. I'm am finding so many great comics from the Bronze Age at Flea markets that no one thinks twice about. Most are under $4 too. 70s horror was fun as heck. DC. Warren. Even the Gold Key stuff like Twilight Zone and Ghost Story. Charlton E-Man is a blast. Doomsday +1. Jonah Hex.
Look outside of capeshit and you'll find amazing comics, old and new.
Horrible Plot and Characterization = Horrible Writing.
I mean, can you proof the contrary?
Because they are Tom King's OC.
Self-wankery of the highest order.
Genuine question. Why are are so many good western artists so bad at making awesome fight scenes?
Like, this fight right here. You've got two people, both who are capable of punching hard enough to crack a battleship in half (easily).
Why does the fight feel like a slightly exaggerated brawl between humans? Why not make each punch shatter the air around them, causing raindrops to disperse? Why not show the effect of an unstoppable force hitting an immovable object?
Just- why? It's fun to make over the top fight scenes. Why make them so boring?
>Or better: try something new.
These are DC fans we’re talking about, the shittiest comic fan base next to the MCU posers, and living example of sulf-fulfilling prophesies. They rather have 58 shitty to mediocre Batbooks rather than read something new that’s good
Vent or burst, user.
Given that Manhattan is a Captain Atom expy that is practically what she is doing here.
This issue is simply Tom King being a cunt, nothing more.
Oh wait, the intend of the story (and the writer) is to make you side with Captain Atom and show Gotham Girl is in the wrong and acting bad.
The Pavlovian effect of those last years is strong, there, took me a while to realise.
He’s gone crazy after being removed from Batman and is just throwing everything in.
Because somehow superhero comics have decided to focus on the dialogue and not the action
Gotham Girl being victorious over Cap Atom isn't terrible writing.
Gotham Girl beating up Captain Atom by brute strength just because in a story that has no purpose in doing this would easily count as awful, lazy writing.
King is a hack and a attention whore who doesn’t know the first thing about Batman, or mental health. He’s becoming the new Bendis
How fucking dumb is it that after 70 some issues we still dont have full dirt on a character that’s been around since 1?
Who's a fan of Captain Atom? Characters live and die by their popularity. He's not dead. He'll be back and continue in the background as irrelevant as ever.
yes he is always a jobber. Villains defeat him to show how powerful they are, he rarely gets to be the guy saving the day despite of his amazing power.
>Discworld reference
Fuck this guy. You shouldn't be allowed to reference things that many tiers above what you're putting out.
BTFO
I just really don't care about Gotham Girl. Sometimes writers manage to establish villains or groups that feel right, I feel that way about the Court of Owls, and other times I see a new villain and just think: How about no?
Gotham and Gotham Girl fall in the second category. I just hope everyone ignores they ever existed once King is gone.
Everyone wants to beat Superman. Lol it must be lonely at the top for the Man of Steel.
yes if she becomes popular she will become cured and her powers will stop killing her.
Anyone who didn't drop King's run like a plague-riddled rat by the 2nd issue when his OCs easily beat the entire Justice League deserves all the suffering that comes their way.
>It’s horrible plotting and characterization.
No it's not unless you can actually explain how.
dubs of truth. No wonder Tom King's run got cancelled. Is this the BS that did it? Is Didio a big Captain Atom fanboy?
>Narratives should be dictated by popularity
Fuck off with that. It’s that mentality that gave us endless Batwank
Really looking forward for when in 5 years time the next Tom King has Gotham Girl killed in his big summer crossover event to show the stakes have never been higher.
Decades of artists who grow up as huge fans of superhero comics -- just superhero comics -- and the most copied artists of the formative years being stiff and static, combined with the US's strange hangups on maturity that leaves them often dismissive of heavily stylized art. The superhero industry is run by and catered to people who already love superheroes, so visual flair that isn't surface level "look how detailed this art is" means nothing to them. There's plenty of American indie comics with good motion and choreography, but they don't sell.
It's another anti-king circlejerk where people who can't pass 8th grade literature pretend they know what writing is.
Because it can kill you if you use it.
You're not noticing how creatively boring all of the comic is? The concept, the color choice, the lineart, the panelling, the dialogue? Most superhero comics are absolute deck shat out for a paycheck.
There is literally nothing wrong with these pages.
Yeah man, this Batman comic is really giving Steinbeck what-for with its literary might.
Even if you don't have a problem with the power levels nonsense, all this dialog is downright dreadful.
>The concept, the color choice, the lineart, the panelling, the dialogue?
Quit pretending you actually know these things.
Yeah, but there are plenty of people out there that would be willing to pay that price if it meant being able to bend Superman over their knee.
>this dialog is bad
But can you explain why? Do younhave any technical understanding of what makes dialogue good or bad.
Other than the color choice, he's absolutely right.
Not if it kill you.
And you’re the contrarian fuck thinking he’s above everything. Let me break it down for you; King doesn’t understand mental health. This was abundantly clear in Mister Miracle, but dumbasses lap it up because they think merely referencing mental issues is deep writing despite the fact that most of it is surface level or inaccurate. Christ over half of Arkham isn’t categorized as legally insane given that most don’t meet the criteria, especially Joker
>There is literally nothing wrong with these pages.
>Dark, moody scene of a thunderstorm illuminated by a crack of lightning, but the colors are neutral blues.
>Brutal beatdown without a single panel of a blow actually connecting and a ton of closeups so the artist has less to draw.
>Only use of environment is vaguely crashing in the street.
>Rain is just this light, diagonal series of lines, characters look dry as can be.
>Five pages of dialogue that say nothing except "these two don't respect each other."
Sounds like $4 well spent to me.
Since you're the only one defending it why don't you explain why it isn't bad?
What's good about the coloring? It's blank, it says nothing. There's no mood, no tone, it doesn't draw your eye anywhere, it barely even captures the intended setting. It's terrible.
I meant to say that I didn't get the color part, I need to sleep.
That's assuming it works for everyone.
Yes, even if it kills them. Do you even realize how many psychos there are in the DC universe?
>>Five pages of dialogue that say nothing except "these two don't respect each other."
It actually say that Captain Atom doesn't consider the restriction order to be a good thing and Gotham Girl is mindlessly following a bad order and being cocky about it.
No, explain to me how it's bad.
>Garbage action and paneling
There is plenty wrong. That's par for the course with most capeshit authors though.
Are you from /Not/co, user?
>It actually say that Captain Atom doesn't consider the restriction order to be a good thing and Gotham Girl is mindlessly following a bad order and being cocky about it.
She is working for the villains in the first place. She's cocky because her power is a guarantee that the order stands even if an hero chooses to defy it.
The big issue with this is that a flying brick really shouldn't be enough for this situation, so Captain Atom's powers all basically get ignored to make the scenario work.
None of the dialog in this comic feels like it comes from actual people.
Yeah not the best portail of Cap Atom but it's not 100% unreasonable.
Cap Atom has lost to other powerhouses before, like pre52 he lost to Mary Marvel. Granted N52 Cap Atom is much more powerful but his power is vague since he tends to nerf himself in ways.
Also Gotham Girl's power is vague since it is "can call on more power at the cost of shortening life" (normal for life, Superman for a year, a God for an hour, etc). So between her vague buffs and his vague nerfs it's easily to write him as losing.
That being said his N52 self is never shown to be cocky like he was at And I him being in a normal hospital with a fat lip like is just plain retarded.
So it's still poor writing for the character.
This is like one of those "why Doesn't Batman just the joker?" Like why doesn't Lex Luthor just give himself superpowers to fight Superman?
The true answer is that there doesn't need to be an answer. No one else has to explain why other people don't buy Superpowers but if you need an excuse hereIt's an experimental process that doesn't work for everyone and the head scientist guy is probably dead.
My bad, user.
Nah, that's established on the first page (mostly the first panel).
>ignoring what happened in the mini that re-introduced Nate to Rebirth
>making him act like a government stooge yet again
>jobbing that badly
It's not fair, bros.
I doubt you actual care about the technical details or even know what they are. You saying garbage panelling doesn't show any technical understanding.
>making him act like a government stooge yet again
It's actually the exact opposite This page is him literally saying he's disobeying a presidential order.
There is no flow of action between panels and no sense of impact from the blows. It's shit
>King doesn’t understand mental health.
I think you're the one who doesn't understand mental health.
That’s not an argument, King
>retarded manga reader
Sorry all the panels aren't tilted, skewed and distorted, you ADHD riddled dingus. it's depicting the action clearly with consistent forms. You fucks think a page full of scribbles is somehow "good action".
Two nukes wasn't enough
That's not a fucking argument, King.
How? It's a straight forward conversation with both sides posturing. Not enough Bendis-Speak for you?
Well aren't you a special little snowflake who's got it all figured out unlike the silly ignoramuses that is the rest of this board.
How is it lazy writing when her brother who had the same powers as her single handedly beat up the entire justice league? She even got the drop on him and then just didn't stop.
It wasn’t good writing when her brother did it either
Ah, you're of the "it's bad because I said so" school of criticism.
No? You however seem to be the standard moron who parrots “if it was stupid before, we can do it again”
King is great on some books and dog shit on others. His Batman run is unsalvageable garbage. I unsubscribed after the first few issues with that Gotham Supermen bullshit because I figured it would be one of the focus points of his run, thankfully I never made it to emo bruce cutting himself and crying about catwoman rejecting him. King is definitely someone you don’t wanna subscribe to until he’s a few issues in
Saying not an argument is not an argument.
Did I hit a nerve user? You can like shitty action if you want, I don't have to.
>it's depicting the action clearly with consistent forms
Its doing the bare minimum, basically static images from different moments in the fight with very little flow. Boring.
>The big issue with this is that a flying brick really shouldn't be enough for this situation, so Captain Atom's powers all basically get ignored to make the scenario work.
Maybe Gotham Girl's powers give her the ability to counter Captain Atom's ability to manipulate her atoms.
>thankfully I never made it to emo bruce cutting himself and crying about catwoman rejecting him.
no way. No way this happened.
Last I saw Thomas Wayne broke Bruce's back and was dragging him through the desert on a horse. Did that actually happen or was it a dream sequence? How did editorial allow this shit show to progress so far?
Remember when Catwoman took down 3 flashes in a couple of seconds
Which would be fine if the dialogue here didn't suck so hard.
Maybe that should be shown or explained and not come as conjecture from a desperate shill.
This kind of shit made me buy marvel again lol
>Based King dabbing on these obsessed power-level cape nerds
I don't see a problem here. The comic industry is in such a poor state because cucks like Zentel keep buying their products and settle for mediocrity.
Bringing up that Kings Bruce is very abusive to Damian and we shouldn't ignore it .Although it is important to remember that Frank Miller writes Bruce as a pedophile, therefore it's likely he's a pedophile in every universe as he does utilize emotional abuse to control the pubescents and adolescents in his life and keep them emotionally and mentally dependent on him. Especially since, you know, the current Batman run by Tom King is really embracing Miller and establishing that it's the canon that matters. Plus it was implied in Dark Knights Metal: The Resistance and Dark Knights: The Batman Who Laughs that Bruce probably raped Damian before dosing him with the Joker toxin, and probably continued sexually abuse Damian and the dark Robins up until Damian killed his counterpart. Dick's visions implied that multiple Bruces really enjoy violating all the Robins, especially Damian. Since you are saying that Talia in every universe, even the ones where she's explicitly a good parent who keeps her child safe from harm and violence for 24 years, is abusive you should also acknowledge that Bruce enjoys raping kids, especially prepubescent and pubescent boys.
It is very important that people don't forget or ignore that canonically Talia is always abusive and therefore Bruce is always a pedophile.
*and reacted faster than Batman to do so.
Correct, it is a request for you to do better
>Muh suicidal tendencies is ''deep'' writing
Captain Atom's powers have always been ignored.
Batman 76 was dumpster fire of a comic that should make everyone involved in its production ashamed of themselves. Thank heavens this rubbish ends...
These comics read exactly like a series of tweets. You guys are poisoning your minds.
Tom King is a cancer on the comics industry.
Maybe you should do better? Saying Tom King doesn't understand mental health is an unproven claim and if you want to prove it you first have to prove that you do understand mental health.
Get out of here, King.
He’s a symptom, not a cause. It’s all Dan
I couldn’t find the panel but here’s this
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>muh manga
Go read some Ditko and Jack Cole, dick.
Then why isn't she dead yet?
Because characters just beating each other up just because is boring.
>$4
you kids sure are fucked, comic shit used to be 5 cents.
Because she hasn't used it enough to die.
>Basically static images from different moments in the fight
Almost as if those images were sequential? As in COMIC BOOKS!?
Your idea of flow is what? It was a quick beat down, not an issue-long DBZ battle. Shut the fuck up already
And therein lies the problem; it’s incredibly vague and amounts to whenever the fuck King decides she’s had enough
DC can't get shut down fast enough.
it's called inflation
>muh Ditko
That shitter's art was stiff as fuck the hell are you talking about?
Imagine being THIS wrong.
You have not read Ditko's Spider-Man.
The true bullshit of gotham girl is that there is not enough lewd content.
Don't bring Dobson into this!
Nah but for real it's kinda crazy that inflation has brought the USD to half the value it was 30 years ago. You often think of these things as so gradual that they would be beyond a lifetime to be this noticeable.
in a book called Batman and an arc named City of Bane you'd expect Batman and Bane to be doing important things. Except they're barely in it. Batman was sleeping throughout the issue while Bane took a day off. More than anything its King's priorities or lack of that has made me dislike his run. I can ignore the stupid dialogue, power levels f*ck ups, repetition etc if things are actually going somewhere and the momentum is kept stable. King killed his momentum with Knightmares and he's significabtly hurt COB's momentum in only one issue.
>Almost as if those images were sequential? As in COMIC BOOKS!?
Yeah, God forbid making shit look interesting or giving it the illusion of weight or speed.
familiarity makes it bad. "i fear no man but that thing it scares me" makes it bad
Maybe in the late 70s and on, but in his prime Steve had a keen sense of pacing and motion. It could be better, and his poses were often a bit odd or stiff, but he knew how to depict momentum and force better than a lot of comics artists do even now.
I glad somebody finally said it.
Is Gotham girl his op OC donut steel?
Yup.
Remember when Harley Quinn took out Superman, Wonder Woman and Batman all at once?
hey user, I hate Tom King as much as the next /co poster, I was simply being devil's advocate.
The Feline Force trumps the speed force when it comes to reflexes.
Maybe we'll get lucky and a mob of angry fans will run King out of the country.
I don't understand this Thomas Wayne bullshit or why King thought it was a good idea. Just what are Thomas Wayne and GG hoping to accomplish here, and why do they take orders from Bane when they are as strong as they are?
so gotham girl = batgirl + robin + plot armor?
Please Tom King stop, I'm having a headache.
okay so let me get this straight bane has taken control of the entire city and gotham girl has escaped from her tube so much for batman helping her get better and flashpoint batman is running amok in gotham and bruce wayne escape the cave without his cowl and what this story doesn't make any sense its confusing and a complete mess.He's taking longer than anyone ever has for his own badly written ideas. This could've been good, but has changed the characters to whatever he wants. Even No Man's Land didn't take this long to change back to something normal. Even his boss thinks he's taking too long. They cut his run short and told him to wrap it up.
And lo and behold, Selina Kyle is here to save the day!! Useless Batman cant do anything right. Maybe Bruce should retire in the Himalayas and just give her the cowl. I'm sure Tom King would prefer that anyway, considering she's gone from being a thief and an on/off paramour to Batman's soulmate who knew his identity from day one. Batman is a third rate character in his own book.
And do I have to mention how annoying the dialogue is, especially Gotham Girl's?
>what this story doesn't make any sense its confusing and a complete mess.
Seems pretty straight forward to me.
If people need to learn that Tom King is a drama queen and attention whore, and uses pain and wangst to get peoole to pay attention to him.
Just look at his twitter feed, heck the guy fell to the ground while waking hus dog and cut his forehead. The first thing he did was post pictures of himself bleeding and the dog smeared with King's blood on twitter before going to the hospital. That's what attention whores do so stop giving it to him.
So , Batman is getting his ass kicked by teenagers.
Thomas has Gotham Girl as Sidekick and Bane has enrolled whole of Arkham using psychopirate and has Political influence by Luthor.
Till now , they made him lose peace of mind by making him believe his batman was a necessity and had to be done.
Now, They set out to prove that wrong. Prove that Batman is not needed.
After like two months worth of filler issues , we get somewhere. But Tom's complaints include bad fizzled out endings.
May God have mercy on us.
Ugh!! Confusing and lame. Gotham Girl needs to never monologue again. I stopped reading Batman last time they focused on Bane with Batman kept talking about breaking his back every 3rd page.
who is vomiting? raise ur hand `\(^^)
She's just Stephanie....
That dialogue is terribad
Nah, Gotham Girl is psycho cute.
I don't mind Atom jobbing.
But if he's fighting someone that's supposed to be as strong as Gotham Girl or whatever...
Shouldn't that have caused his jump forward bullshit ability?
She definitely stole Steph's look something hardcore!
I came here to laugh at you.
>It’s horrible plotting and characterization.
That's is a part of writing.
The issue is he wants to setup all these mysteries to explain how these things are happening and everyone is expecting it to be a limp, unsatisfying explaination.
And she sucks Duke Thomas cock.
>it's bad on purpose!
That's not an excuse.
Because artists in the big two are not hired out of skill but by their ability to network and their ability to meet deadlines.
Also editors and writers have some influence on page layouts, which is the core problem.
So I don’t even know this character she is a generic girl and just got some serum that poisoned her but made her stronger than Superman with no weaknesses or cool powers?
Why
>Because artists in the big two are not hired out of skill but by their ability to network and their ability to meet deadlines.
Artists at DC and Marvel are hired for having the correct politics, being friends with the editors and meeting deadlines. If you are not friends with the editors or someone in HR, you aren't getting a chance.
Not really. Dan didn’t award him a fuckton of Eisners for his edgelord shit. That was all industry
Much of Tom Kings “genius” relies on how much the reader is completely okay with people making asinine decisions for the sake of more Bat emo moments
>with no weaknesses
Maybe you should read more than the wikipedia article.
Just says she’s crazy and using more power shortens her life
Boring shitty rip off of All Might
Lol this didn't actually happen, did it? Christ.
Tom King is shaping up to represent that photo he likes to show of his CIA days. The fucker was a office manager but here he is pretending he went to work everyday in kevlar and an assault weapon.
He wants to paint himself as hardcore so bad hence all the PTSD to generate sympathy points
>Boring shitty rip off of All Might
All Might didn't create the "the more power you use the quicker you die" thing.
If you're going to bitch about the character you could at the very least know what the fuck you're complaining about.
Any chance on going into detail on how he gets it inaccurate?
Then tell me, how is jobbing Captain Atom for the upteenth time good writing?
>If you're going to bitch about the character you could at the very least know what the fuck you're complaining about.
Tom king is still Shit.
He is, and you complaining about shit you don't know about makes you a retard.
>It's another anti-king circlejerk where people who can't pass 8th grade literature pretend they know what writing is.
Can Tom King just stop. Making Batman a bitch won't bring your daddy back Tom.
All Selina deserves is an anti-crabs treatment after all the time she spent being a prostitute.
What the fuck does that have to do with what I'm talking about?
It actually makes me hate batcat. I was pretty neutral about their relationship before King came with his bullshit and made me wish "Bat" and "Cat" would jump off a cliff.
King has turned Batman into a maniac who's obsessed over his girlfriend and she's the only thing he cares about.
Eyes and the ability to read.
King acts like a teenage shipper.
Didn't Erica Henderson win a best artist Eisner?
HONK HONK
It's not good writing but it's not bad writing either.
What an absolute faggot. I hope catwoman is killed off permenently after King fucks off.
Poison Ivy cured all her STDs when they were in Gotham City Sirens.
but I'm pretty sure Selina will defeat her in the end. Selina has already defeated two Flashes at the same time, Talia, Bane, Batman...
I'm pretty sure she will commit suicide by using all her power at once to save Gotham and become a martyr. Maybe Cat will give an inspiring speech to help GG see the error of her ways and redeem herself though.
Otherwise I don't think they would bother foreshadowing the whole "you have one hour and you're a god" thing if King wasn't planning on using it.
Well for one thing the most important part in the comic creative process is the writing (based Alan explains this point in pic related,) And of course we all know the quality of writer that has been behind the desk for 76 issues.
Sup Tom
I never said to not shit on King because that cunt deserves it, but know what the fuck you're talking about before you do.
Honestly Ditkos artwork is Fucking trash and we only put him on a pedestal for the characters he created. If he went by another name and was working today we’d all shit on him
>how is this poetry bad? all the words are spelled correctly!!
>If he went by another name and was working today we’d all shit on him
Well yeah. Because his weakness is stiff figures and lacking detail. He also drew that shit over half a century ago, standards change as tech changes. Aside from your living gods like Eisner and Crandall, whose art was a fucking miracle in motion, Ditko was pretty average for his time.e in terms of rendering. He's beloved for his compositions and pacing, which still hold up today. He'd likely be a layout artist now.
The same argument goes for Tom King. He does not know Batman. At all. He is just putting shit mental issues on characters as some therapeutic exercise for himself.
He is basically dismantling everything Snyder did for Batman and that was one of the best Batman runs in fucking ages. Tom King's run was good up until about issue 53 and then turned into a big fucking dumpster fire.
Tom King's run stopped being good with I AM SUICIDE. That's when it became embarrassingly bad.
This. He should be the guy who says no and corrects this stuff.
That's what I did. I've literally got a wall of Batman comics in my house and I got maybe halfway through the opening I Am Gotham arc in King's run and just stopped buying Batman. Haven't even looked at a book since, I'm just waiting for Tom King to be off the book. If I need my bat-fix I either reread some of my old comics or buy old ones I don't have yet. It's not that hard, people.
>Implying Fucking Dan Didio would stop him, or any superior force up there.
Both Didio and Lee are probably pals with King, they are not cold blooded enough (Or love the Comicbook genre enough) to dump his ass or keep his fuckeries under control.
Chuck Dixon on the other hand, if he had some power now, King would've been long time gone.
I'm actually afraid of Tom King doing permanent damage to Batman.
He already did. Common people didn't realized this yet.
I mean, how do you fix King's Batman in-universe without taking the Reboot Road?
As someone with ADHD, I take offense to this. Don’t ever compare jap shit to the clearly superior American medium.
i don't get why some people are this triggered over Tom King
sure he is not everyones cup of tea, but even his worst stories are better than most other comic writers
like their is this infinite rage over him that borders on obsession
What, exactly, is permanent about King's effect?
How ironic coming from someone reading capeshit
Does gotham girl still die sooner if she uses her powers more?
>Purple as primary color
>Body conforming lower costume
>Purpleblack cape
>Exposed blonde hair
>Sidekick with sass
Yeah, I don't see how anyone says Gotham Girl cribbed Steph's look...
If this were a C-list character then I'd agree. But this is Batman. If a decision is unpopular it'll just get handwaved away by the next writer. And King hasn't really done anything besides introduce new characters that can be easily killed or put on a bus by whoever writes the book next.
Who the fuck is this Mary Sue and why does she get to wave her dick around by going over tried and true fan favorites? That does the character no favors.
See, my fear isn't that Tom King damaged the character continuity, but that he damaged the character perception.
How many people now must think that Batman is some apathetic and depressed cunt who feels miserable being Batman and hope for Catwoman to save him from his shitty life with her pussy?
I enjoyed it up to the "12 Angry Men" type story where it showed Bruce trying to deal with Selina up and ditching him.
My main issue is that in Snyder's run, it was established that Batman/Bruce needed his family, that they made him better and stronger. Then King comes along and is like, "Nope, he can't have ANYONE or else he can't be batman".
>but even his worst stories are better than most other comic writers
Nope. He's easily one of the worst Batman writers ever. I'm counting people like Bruce Jones in here.
1) I love that pic so much.
2) I've been saying since we saw the cover with Claire as Robin that she ripped Steph off hardcore. :)
You're ignoring the fact that he ruined the Batman/Catwoman couple and tienes Flashpoint Batman into a parody of himself (Which also turned Thomas Wayne into a Villain), Old chum?
>permanent damage to a corporate owned AAA list character
Fucking idiot
fuck off with this hyperbole
if you really believe this then you are truly retarded
Your average person has no fucking idea or interest about the comics. Even within comics Kings Batman is segregated from every other Batman running around in JL or Damned or whatever. You people seriously need to get a grip. It’s comics. Don’t like something? Wait around, it’ll eventually go away
The most shill post of the thread, at last.
Remember you haters are just the vocal minority
Everyone outside your bubble chamber loves and appreciates Tom King. His Batman run is breaking new ground and will be heralded as one of the defining runs.
Grant Morrisons and Alan Moores, natural successor.
1) Ruined Batman/Catwoman. If Jeph Loeb couldn't do that, then King can't do it.
2) Flashpoint Batman was a one-off character from a tie-in to an event. King expanded him to examine Bruce's mission, limits, and potential. And do you really think you can compare Thomas to Bruce in the main continuity line and have Thomas not be a villain? That was the whole point of Knightfall - Batman should not kill.
Not a hyperbole. Few writers have misunderstood a character, or more precisely set of characters and setting so badly, and wrote such dumb and bad stories.
Can i remind you that in King's run Batman has tried to stab the Riddler with a fucking machete? And that because the Joker stopped him Batman feels that the Joker made him a hero? This happened. King wrote it. And the best part? That's not even the dumbest part of the arc.
Even Jason Todd turning himself into a tentacle monster makes more sense than this shit.
>100 people think the same and feel the same about King
No problem, welcome!
>one person dares dissent, saying King isn’t bad
REEEEE HOW DARE YOU
And they say Reddit is an echo chamber. Reddit=hugbox , Yea Forums=hatebox
>King expanded him to examine Bruce's mission, limits, and potential.
What has he explored? The character just showed out of nowhere already working for Bane. There's no rhyme or reason to his presence or anything he does.
Does he want Bruce to stop being Batman and settle down with a nice woman? If that's the case then why did he help Bane break up Batman and Catwoman?
Does he want to bring Martha back to life so he can have his family again, son and all? If that's the case why isn't he doing that?
The honest to God truth is that Flashpoint Batman is only here to act as a shitty dad to serve King's daddy issues, because he hates his own daddy.
Bitch, the same can be said about hoy Kingfags: You see one single guy telling Why King's writing sucks ass, and you people mock him to death.
>1) Ruined Batman/Catwoman. If Jeph Loeb couldn't do that, then King can't do it.
The Long Halloween, Dark Victory, and Hush didn't made me hate Catwoman. If anything i used to think she was hot and interesting after reading those tales.
King's run? Made me actually dislike the character. I just can't look at the character with the same eyes. She has been ruined in my eyes.
That never happens. If someone says something nice about King on Yea Forums he now he to defend himself to on 8 different people. So why bother? The fans are bullied into silence
>The fans are bullied into silence
Good. They need to be shamed.
Wouldn't Joker (Or most versions) let him do it? Getting Batman to kill him is part of the point.
>Ugh why won't he admit that his life's work is shit! He's evil!
Look, Don't Tell me that doesn't happen because I saw a lot of people in comic forums get mocked by Kingfags. That you refuse to admit that your people is like us it's your problem, but I'm sure more people here saw this too in other places.
It's not that he doesn't want to admit It, it's the way he does. A humble person would at least try to defend himself. Chuck Dixon did when he talked about King's writing and some people tried to proof that he was wrong.
I see it a lot in the Bleeding Cool comments section. But i can never take those people seriously, because again they're fans of a trash writer.
I’m talking about Yea Forums, idk why you’re bringing up some random forum you go to
Dixon shit-talked King?
Eat shit
And I'm telling you that you people are like us, but it looks like you refuse to admit It (Even if more anons agree with me).
Have a good day, Kingfag. You have no power here.
It's on his FB. He mocked that Page from #75 with Gotham Girl. Told everyone that such Page was a perfect example of how not to write comics, or something like that.
Nice.
Here you have one if his replies to one Kingfag.
> Two
Three actually.
this is bizarre bc what they're arguing about isn't the problem with the page that dixon was complaining about in the first place
dear god its worse than I thought.
The only character that Tom King can write well is Kite Man
So because people on other websites are twats to kinghaters the answer is to be a twat to kingfans on this website?
Brilliant logic my friend, you’ll conquer the world with it
Dan Slott and Scott Snyder and Greg Rucka all have a lot of fans but are still trash writers.
Just like Tom King.
Holy shit, I've been played. Anyway, you can find a ton of his replies on the post he did of the #75 issue.
Still, He's right here tho.
Why can't intelligent writers who understand comics be working at DC and Marvel? Why are we stuck with Zoe Quinn, Tom King and the My Chemical Romance guy writing comics when Chuck Dixon is still alive?
Implying you're not a twat right now with Kinghaters like me because I'm trying to say that you Kingfags are as toxic as us, you hipocrite cunt
He's not apathetic though.
Because you need to have intelligent people who understands comics to run both places first.
I remember reading the War of the Joker and Riddler and having a sort of brain aneurysm the moment Batman tells Catwoman all sullen and scared that he wasn't a good man or a noble hero because in the past the Joker saved him from killing the Riddler, which makes him a hero now only because of the Joker. This in anticipation that she wasn't going to marry him anymore knowing this secret. I just couldn't believe the absurdity of this tweest. I still can't. Why in the fuck would Batman believe that he's only a hero because of the Joker? Or that Catwoman, a literal prostitute, would not want to marry his autistic ass because of that? DUDE IS HANDSOME AND BILLIONAIRE. The fuck.
op edited the tweet. this is bait and its all people do here.
the original tweet tom king is replying to is this:
"I never tweet but here we go; Tom King, Alfred is one of the only people Damian cares about. I know you don’t read any books except your own, but c’mon. Damian would never let anything to Alfred, that’s just bad knowledge of the character."
>And superhero stories are ACTION stories. That means action THROUGHOUT the story not, as "writers for the trades" will tell you, five issues of yak, yak, yak and all the fighting crammed into the last issue.
HOW DO SO MANY WRITERS NOT GET THIS?!
This is what I mean when I say anti-king circlejerkers couldn't pass 8th grade english.
>Can i remind you that in King's run Batman has tried to stab the Riddler with a fucking machete?
Do I need to remind you of the events that came before that? You're telling me that Batman should have never done because why? Because Batman can't be human and experience anger at senseless death?
>Do I need to remind you of the events that came before that?
The events before that are even stupider. The whole arc is Batman acting like a retard so bad things can happen. Dude had more of a brain-power and time to have sex with Catwoman while people died all around him than actually put his mind to work and do something constructive about it.
I didn't edit shit, this photo was shared between Kingfags with joy and pride. They even call him a Chad for It.
Because Chuck Dixon has lost his fucking mind.
>The whole arc is Batman acting like a retard so bad things can happen
Isn't that just like a Batfag? Batman isn't portrayed as infallible so that means the writer is writing Batman like a retard.
And he's also not that good of a writer.
>Batman can't be human
Always with this sorry ass fuck excuse with you King shills. Oh, this Batman is different because King is finally making him human. Oh, King's Batman is a humanized Batman. Oh, King's Batman is revolutionary because he finally explored the character's feelings. Human this, human that.
Fuck off. King's Batman doesn't act as any human would. He's either a robot that can't stop monologuing about his feelings like as if he was a 13 year old boy who just entered a phase while he mow down an army of faceless mooks with ease, but then when he gets to the main bad guy he crumbles and wait for Catwoman to save him. His views and issues all feel like something a moody teenager girl would have written in her MySpace years ago. It doesn't feel genuine, reletable, and fitting for the character.
Didn’t take you long to show your true colours did it
The problem is that the events were dumb and nonsensical. They were things that Batman or really any sensible cop would be able to put a stop to.
>It doesn't feel genuine, reletable, and fitting for the character
Batfags don't know shit about Batman.
Fuck off.
>They were things that Batman or really any sensible cop would be able to put a stop to.
How?
No u
>Why can't intelligent writers who understand comics be working at DC and Marvel?
When you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.
still not as bad as the Catwoman's wank.
Man, I Don't have nothing to hide: You keep acting polite here to proof that Kingfags are kind people, but if our positions were reversed, and you had more Kingfags with you, every single one of you would make fun of whatever I or other "contrarian" user.
Besides, you really expect not to be insulted on Yea Forums? Really, Young man?
Also Catwoman has killed plenty of people and I'm sure Riddler has fucked with her more than a few times. Selina is not only a hooker but a jewel thief. Why does Batman think she will even care about this "secret" of his?
This is why I stay the hell away from mainstream comics. Shit writing and poser art.
Also, why does the Riddler look like some Irish thug?
When did this shit happen? Im pissed
Wouldn't a stunt like that be the end of her?
Those were King's own rules, she has been using her powers without any restrictions since her first appearance.
Did i miss something? Because i have dropped this shit at least a year ago when she was still shaven in the head.
She hasn't used enough of her power to kill her.
Pretty straightforward as long as you're not a retard I guess.
Heroes in Crisis
Is Tom King a CIA psy op whose role is to destroy DC Comics and demoralize the population by destroying America's most beloved super hero and turning him in to a crying self-mutilating cuck?
>She hasn't used enough
>she had already used most of it during her first appearance
I know you really want to defend your master, but it doesn't hold up dear baboon.
>dude, she just hasn't used it all yet, OK!?!
Good thinking calling the other retards first, now they have to come up with something different to name how dumb and pathetic you are.
It's a reference to captain carrot the superman bunny parody.
>Leaving out Anthony Burch
He was the most jarring for me. Had to be nepotism or something.
The twist is that Gotham Girl is a metahuman and immortality is her super power.
So Gotham Girl is using her lifespan to power her powers-the thing is her lifespan is infinite so her powers are also infinite.
fuck tom king
>All superhero stories must be garbage, always.
>Nobody can enjoy superhero shit unless it's shitty American DBZ.
>If you dare criticize the writing it's QUITE IRONIC /:^)
Fuck off.
That time Tom King's OC solo'd the entire Justice League all at once
DC is in the shithole that it's in now thanks to Dan fucking Didio. He's buddy buddy with King, Snyder, and Bendis, and between the lot of them they're a bunch of assholes living in their own little box, ignorant to what fans are screaming at them. Dan is still salty about old fans rejecting New 52, and basically undone everything Geoff Johns did in Rebirth
this isn't the Tom King who wrote on SpongeBob and Fairly OddParents is it
>retard doubles down
Nobody gives a fuck about Shuster's art or Bob Kane's trace sketches. Nobody cares about Kirby's X-Men art. If Ditko was a shit artist, nobody would even give a shit, they'd just sing Romita's praises the way they do Infantino and Swan.
womp womp
Jim Lee isn't exactly doing jack shit either. DiDio is an idiot still butthurt over the failure of New 52, but there are a lot of cooks in the DC kitchen who helped write the current recipe of failure they are following.
You may as well place a plot synopsis on the page for how stale that dialogue is.
Yea, and he died.
Gotham Girl is a cute. Fuck y'all.
Gotham Girl is an immortal metahuman who bought her powers and now powers them infinitely with her infinite lifespan.
You heard the tweest here first, folks.
I like her. I dunno why people hate on her so much, other than powerladderbros and King Derangement Syndromes.
just from this page I want to go look for r34
she is stacked
not pg stacked but very nice
why is this art such garbage? It's batman shouldn't he be getting some of the best talent around?
....She beat the nuclear man by punching him.
When DC comics is scuttled by AT&T, we should make a note of this.
That “my chemical romance guy” is writing one of the best books at DC right now. He doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with the others.
this is the epitome of cringe.
>why is this art such garbage? It's batman shouldn't he be getting some of the best talent around?
DC can't afford the best talent around to write a monthly periodical.
HONESTLY I DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT YOU OR HOW MUCH YOU ARE TIERED. YOU FUCKS AND ATTENTION WHORES ARE GOING INTO SOCIAL MEDIA AND THINK EVERYONE WILL SUCK YOUR TINY THIN DICKS AND YOU START WHINE WHEN PEOPLE JUST HIT YOU HARD WITH THEIR USUALLY RETARD BEHAVIOR.
Holy keke
>Yea Forums has become this retarded.
>Terrorism don't real
This shit makes absolutely no sense. This kind of thing breaks your setting utterly. There are thousands upon thousands, if not millions, who would trade their lives for 60 minutes as Superman, a chance to "fix" the world.
>Be Catwoman fan
>Think that in Elseworlds or in comics that show the "end" of a particular Batman's career she makes a pretty decent option as the love interest
>King has permanently poisoned the concept and even the character herself to some extent because comic readers are fucking retards and will blame a character for a garbage run and not the writer that made it.
I hate it
Man I'm tired of Cates and his fanboys and enablers, but I don't go around making threads about him. For as much you want to vent, I'd rather do it when the subject is brought up, not devote him valuable time just seething over his bullshit. It's called mental self-care, you should try it.
>It's called mental self-care, you should try it.
Tom King tried that and made the only DC Event worse than Identity Crisis.
If he was, he would've made the mini into an ongoing.
Thats interesting power thing.
But thats so OP and creates so many questioned.
How can you make such an serum? Why doesnt anybody else buy it? Why doesnt any immortal being buy that serum,maybe Rhas Al Ghul? What does it mean "two hours a god"?
>She beat the nuclear man by punching him
NEVER BEFORE HAVE THAT EVER HAPPEN.
It'e the most straight forward answer but I guess you retards just can't handle it. Instead you break down and immediately start whining.
He is not cancelled. He is moving out to work in Hollywood. Doing what Every modern comic writer wants: move away from comics.
Go fuck yourself, Tom.
Who the fuck is selling the ability to become Superman-tier for a couple years, longer if used judiciously? And how did a couple of kids afford it?
it's an interesting idea (stolen from My Hero Academia) but was executed poorly.
All part of Bane's keikaku
Which forms part of Thomas Bigger Keikaku.
Which you all know will be part of Bruce's biggest Keikaku of all!
Which comes from Catwoman!!
That's funny and I commend you on your cleverness, but I was serious... This guy is actually advancing in life so it's not like fussing over him has any results.
And hey he's committed to his 100 issues, so at least you can count the days until he's gone. Consider yourself lucky.
Damnit I wanna be mad but also my cock is rock hard.
Yes I don't get why Thomas is evil and hates Bruce so much. I read Flashpoint years ago, from my memory I remember Thomas being a good guy and helping Flash out in that story-am I wrong? Also Aquaman was fighting a war vs Wonder Woman and Frankenstein was leading a special ops team or something.
Bruce 4D keikaku to get his daddy back? Is that what King was building towards?
It's one thing to make him lose, it's another to make it a completely one-sided stomp just to show how strong she is. It's just shitty writing
No, Bruce's keikaku to make the world a better place by punching bad guys in the face one at a time!
Actually, I'm really curious to see how it works. Because King is trying to write a story which doesn't ultimately have to be resolved through a punchup.
Thomas never wanted Bruce to be Batman and is used to ruling Gotham with an iron fist.
Wait... seriously?
>that was one of the best Batman runs in fucking ages
>after Morrison
or ever
>Snyder
>good
Jesus fucking christ.
No, these guys are just dumb assholes.
better than King, at least. Infinitely better.
Sorry, no. Snyder was a big fat filler.
Thomas doesn't want Bruce to be Batman, because he knows what a miserable existence it is and is applying tough love because Bruce is refusing to quit like Thomas told him to do.
Thomas was literally murder Batman in Flashpoint, so his actions in Gotham are consistent. The only reason Thomas helped Flash was because Barry said he knew his son on another timeline and Thomas was eager to trade his life for his son's.
> Oh, this Batman is different because King is finally making him human. Oh, King's Batman is a humanized Batman. Oh, King's Batman is revolutionary because he finally explored the character's feelings. Human this, human that.
Holy shit you just explained Lois fags right there. All of them cry about how Lois Lane makes Superman grounded and human.
Okay, then. What makes Batman and Superman human?
A "Tom King's tweets" thread, you say?
That's a solid Tom King shoop in the form of a dril tweet, gotta say.
But you know, the real deal is good enough.
"better than tom king" is damning with faint praise
And another one, probably the last one because I don't want to turn this into a twitter dump, but sheesh. He might be legit autistic.
Better screenshot.
user, what could possibly make you think more twitter screenshots could improve the situation?
Stephanie is leagues cuter and also better in every way.
Why is the comic book industry so fucking shitty?
The industry is simply a reflection of the market and fandom surrounding it. Think about that for a second.
Comics are for retards.
>Steph isn't psycho cute
Spoken like a man who's never had his girlfriend stalk him and several of his acquaintances in repeated desperate gambits to unearth his most closely guarded secrets.