I've been rewatching ATLA and it occurred to me that I've never watched Korra. Many people here like to shit on it...

Fucking hell; there are things that are better left unexplained. It ruins to mysticism to do otherwise.
Do any ATLA characters show up in Korra? If so, are they treated well?

I'd say make your own judgment.

Season 1, for me, was terrible. By the end, it felt like a shaky foundation had been set for everything else.

I did not dislike season 2 as much as pretty much everyone else did because I enjoyed what they tried to explore as it relates to the Avatar cycle. They did do some weird things with characters here though which gives it a point deduction.

Season 3 is solid. Good concept and, at this point, you've more or less understood what kind of characters and show quality you're dealing with, so this will be a pretty nice ride. You'll likely find your favorite ideas from the show here.

Season 4 was my personal favorite bc of the nature of the antagonist, but you may find it just below season 3 in quality.

The romance in Korra ruins all the characters. I don't think you'll truly love any of the characters but you may find something to enjoy in the plot itself.

>Do any ATLA characters show up in Korra? If so, are they treated well?

Several do and no, they aren't.

then why do you spend your time on Yea Forums?

Katara, Toph, and ghost Iroh, and no.

Yes, Katara, Toph, Iroh, Zhao and Zuko make appearances. Some are more significant than others, some are better than the others.

I think the only enjoyable ones were Zuko, Iroh and Zhao, Zhao's appearance is delightfully morbid if you understand what it implies.

Toph is not bad, but fucking hell, her family life is such a hot mess that you'd think her appearance would make sense of it but they never really use it up, they used it just to shit on Lin more who is literally only sane person in Beifong family, no wonder she fucked off to fucking swamp from her family, it's literal trash. She also gets one one liner and it's her worst one.

What about the backstory made it seem like you don't need any focus, practice or patience for bending? That's not what I got from viewing it. How else would you have wanted the Avatar to come into existence? Clearly it's a title and ability that's passed down in a way that's not hereditary. Ofc it'd be some spirit world shit.

Torph had several kids with several daddies and she is old and unmarried when you see her, turns out aang was a cunt to all his non air bending kids, and I forget what happens to the rest.

Don't forget flashbacks revealing that Sokka never had kids and died alone and Aang's kids spending all of seasons 3 and 4 complaining about how he raised them.

>Bumi felt like a disappointment his whole life
There's not getting what you expected and then there's getting pleasure in shitting on your own creation

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Bumi felt like they wanted Sokka back but forgot that Sokka wasn't just dumb comic relief.

Don't want to make new thread, has anyone read the Rise of Kyoshi? Is it any good?

The way LOK treats bending as a whole is a bit shit. Factory workers bending lightning 9 to 5 in their days at the power plant? The avatar backstory episode felt similarly cheap.

It’s less about genetics and family lines and more about turning into an OP aimbot with wallhacks because you asked a lion turtle to do so, without spending even a little time trying to git gud which was a big deal in the original. Which makes the whole “Buddhist living their whole life in a way to achieve Nirvana” type thing that was around for Aang trying to learn all of the bending styles before summers end and Korra with her lack of airbending and thus spiritual connection for a bit kind of redundant. Basically bending went from a sacred mystical thing to something everyone and their grandma can do with ease. It also kind of makes the whole Equalist thing dumb since clearly bending isn’t as special or even rare as it was thought to be and is about as difficult to achieve as getting a drivers license.

Because I'm an idiot. I've found out that the less I use this site the happier I become, but only if I keep coming back here once in a while.

Zhao's back? That's pretty cool. Do you mind telling me, or do you think it'd be better if I saw it for myself?

I always got the impression Bumi was full of shit. Like he was one of those kids who went through the standard rebellious phase as a teenager but never grew the fuck out of it and made mountains out of molehills to create reasons to be mad at his parents

It was a quick cameo in S2, there's really nothing to it and you won't be spoiled too much, but Tenzin stumbled upon him in Spirit World where implication was that he was there since S1 of Avatar and is in fact stuck in Spirit World never to die for all eternity

How many kids did Aang have and how much of a cunt was he? He was impulsive as a kid, but wise for the most part, and Katara would be there to set things straight if he fucked up (I'm assuming that he married Karara considering the ending of ATLA). So, how bad is it?

This thread about Korra sucks. Post sexy pictures of Korra instead.

Sokka died alone? Man, that sucks; he deserved to be together with Suki or Toph-

He had three kids. The alleged problem with his style of parenting is only the youngest was an airbender.

Using lighting at factories sort of makes sense, but what a way to demystify something that felt so important in the original series. If it was building up to a message of how industrialization makes the world smaller and changes our perception of it, I'd like it more.

Are you stroking out?

The alleged problem with his style of parenting is that he neglected his non-airbender children.

Damn, that's awesome. Guess that's what you get for murdering the Moon Spirit; I suppose that the Ocean Spirit took him there? He probably regretted not taking Zuko's hand when he tried to save him.

Yeah, that's what I was implying.

But again, his non-airbender children SAY they felt neglected. They might just be assholes. And considering their personalities in the show I'm gonna go with that explanation.

He had three kids but only third one had airbending. It made Kya lesbian and Bumi be a swashbuckling general and neither have kids, while Aang spent of his time with third kid to make him master Airbending and set his mind on breeding, which he was most efficient at. Like, REALLY good, his wife is a knockout and pumped out like 4 babies. So far.

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That's kind of weird. I mean, wouldn't it make sense to assume that Air Nomads would have non-bender children too? No other nation has a 100% rate of bender citizens; you'd think that not being an airbender wouldn't rule you out of being a part of their culture.

I liked LoK. The only problems I had with the show were relationship drama/ love triangles and the 2nd season.

Yea Forums felt that the ending was controversial but I didn't mind. Mostly because I don't care about shipping.

Personally, I thought that LoK and Last Airbender were both equally good despite their flaws.

So there's only 5 airbenders left? Do they ever address what will happen when the Avatar cycle returns to them?

The kiss wasn't the problem of S1's ending, the problem was that she cried a bit and Aang removed all consequences of season 1.

In season 3, Korra does some spirit world shit that by complete accident causes randos to spontaneously become airbenders.

Some deus ex bullshit makes a ton more airbenders in s3

>Personally, I thought that LoK and Last Airbender were both equally good despite their flaws.
Good one sempai.

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They mumbo jumbo some bullshit later in the series about spirits and suddenly there are thousands of airbenders around the world.

It's as stupid as it sounds.

S1 is really fucking cool up until the absolute trash Amon reveal. His ending with his brother is great and the Korra relationship stuff should’ve never been in

>the problem was that she cried a bit and Aang removed all consequences of season 1.

This is where the show lost me. I don't care how much most people hated season 2 more, that s1 ending was outrageously bad. That's where the line was crossed.

Not after season 2. Spoilers.

There was this thing called Harmonic Convergence it's hurf dee durf durf so this evil spirit Vaatu wanted to do evil things so Korra's crazy uncle decided he wants to be Korra too and made himself Dark Avatar after durf de durf when he managed to bind himself to Vaatu and literally dubbed himself Dark Avatar, seriously. Then by doing bing bang whoom he cut off Korra's connection to all previous Avatar lives but by doing durr de durr durr Korra gets to still be Avatar then she sit around and decided moping is not helping anyone and turned into giant blue woman and with help of Tenzin's sexiest (and oldest) daughter who durf durf durf she somehow defeated Dark Avatar. How is that related? Harmonic Convergence opens portal to Spirit World because durf hurf durf and Korra decided to keep it open. Opening the portal restored balance to the world and the nature just made some people airbenders to restore natural balance of the world as compensation for Airbenders eradication

Reading that made me mad and I hate you for reminding me of it

The ending would have been so much less controversial if they hadn't JK Rowling'd it.

Well, that's a very odd choice. I sounds pretty stupid; I hope the execution was somewhat salvageable.

That's a surprisingly accurate summation of what happened.

Of all the new characters, are there any that you particularly liked? Do they measure up to the original series' at all?

It gave us the series' best villain, so a little.

I like A few of them but their characters are ruined by the end of the series honestly

Like an evil airbender or do you mean something else?

A lot of them are likable, it's just the entire show is watching Mark Whalberg's acting in Happening. You know he's a good actor and funny dude, but MAN.

There's kind of a wacky Howard Hughes inventor-type guy in the supporting cast who's amusing, but for the most part there are only two types of personalities in the world of Korra, obnoxious people and bland people.

There's a reason that the vast majority of threads about the show have only two kinds of content: still complaining about stuff that happened years ago, and posting lewds of Korra herself. Her body is literally the only fucking positive.

All of their characters? Christ, I've never heard of a series whose entire cast gets ruined by the ending which didn't involve killing them all.
Is that what happens?

You want to watch because TLA was great.
Dont let the Avatar name fool you. Korra is Garbage to the point that it might ruin whatever experience you felt with the avatar franchise.

I personally recommend not watching it at all. Just gonna give you a very tiny spoiler with it's bullshit in that lightning bending, a once elite technique requiring perfect focus, is now learned by any fire bending hobo who wants a sandwich used to move machine cogs around.

Yes, the villain of season 3 is an evil airbender. He's the only good villain in the four seasons.

So some dude who gains airbending and turns evil? That's pretty cool; watching ATLA I always wanted to see airbenders fighting each other or in group the way every other bender does. Do we get any of that?

The two good villains end up dead, the other good villain is written into being retarded and the rest of the cast is flanderized just as bad by the end

Well he was already in prison and used the airbending to break out. He has some kind of history with Aang I think, like he was a former member of the White Lotus? I don't remember exactly, but he has bender friends, an armless lady who waterbends tentacles to fight, a chick who has Combustion Man's gimmick, and...I think there was an Earth dude whose gimmick was lava? I don't know the teammates were all jobbers. Combustion bitch might've been his girlfriend.

The mains were a little flat compared to ATLA, but many of the side characters are pretty good. I liked Tenzin in particular, he's low key amusing and the scene where he fights Zaheer and completely dominates him is my favourite in LOK.

Lavabending, combustion man's explosive powers and airbending. If the armless lady can also bloodbend we'd be getting every weird "unique" power the original series showed us.

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Naw, she doesn't bloodbend because they'd used it already in season 1.

Who's Zaheer?

That's the bad airbender's name.

Neat. Did Katara teach Korra how do to it or is someone following the that old lady's teachings?

I see; thanks. So airbender vs airbender; I might look it up on YouTube even if I don't watch the show; this thread is really discouraging me.

>this thread is really discouraging me.
The show discouraged all of us. The reason threads complaining about it are still a regular occurrence half a decade after the show ended is because of the sheer amount of disappointment and heartbreak

It's all of maybe forty seconds. It only plays so well because of all the set-up: the bad guy has been kicking everyone's asses all season because they're not used to fighting airbenders, so it's satisfying to see him go up against an actual master and get schooled.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahshahahahahahahahaha

Sounds like Yea Forums's rape experience that made it hateful and bitter for the rest of its life.

Yeah, Katara wouldn't teach anyone that; that was stupid of me to assume. So Hanna had like a child or something? She was old; she could have.

It's a "there just happen to be other people in the world who figure it out" thing.

it's kind of dull and frustrating at worst. worth a watch there are a few highlights.

POST KORRA LEWDS!

>Don't forget flashbacks revealing that Sokka never had kids and died alone
Never happened.
>Aang's kids spending all of seasons 3 and 4 complaining about how he raised them.
Only in the first half of s2, s3 and 4 throw in a few lines that make you think they were overexaggerating things in the first place.

Not only this both his sons were trained how to do it, all of them could do t without the moon and one of them could do it psychically. It was beyond retarded and annoying

Do they explore the relationships of the Fire Nation and the rest of the world after the war is over? 100 years worth of fighting must surely have caused some tensions even in peace.

Enough about bad things, post good things.

This is honestly one of the most entertaining fights in animation

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well op, I enjoyed it.

Infact though ATLA is better, Korra herself is probably my favourite character between the two series. Anyway, season by season:

1: good start, dropped the ball
2: meandered, bad animation for half of it
3: as good as you'll find in ATLA.
4: good start, dropped the ball

Generally speaking, they didn't handle grey areas well, which was the show's main downfall.

The main setting is a big multicultural city created from the old Fire Nation colonies as a sort of UN capital. National tensions aren't a major theme until the fourth season, when the Earth Kingdom starts wanting their lands back. Yea Forums has the hots for the Great Uniter.

This is a good breakdown.

Damn, this animation looks pretty great.

The Fire Nation is the biggest ally of the United Republic, built on the former colonies. The FN had sent their forces during several attacks on Republic City, the capital, that happens in the series.
Otherwise, the FN does not appear in the series at all. S1 focuses on Republic City, S2 on the Southern Water Tribe, Republic City and Spirit World, S3 on the multiple places in the Earth Kingdom, and S4 on the Earth Empire and Republic City.
The second half of S2 has a surprising amount of good going for it, most issues I've heard of is usually contained to the first half (except the climax of the finale. I'm more lenient towards Korra than most, but fuck that shit. Seriously.)

I found it enjoyable, but the best thing out of it will probably be the fourth part of FET centered on Korra

Aang shows up as a spirit to fix all her self inflicted problems and then get erased along with the rest of the past avatars.

Seriously, fuck korra.

this is actually a neat concept. hanna could totally have raped the people she kidnapped

this was fun

I ended up liking it more. Like, ATLA is better, but TLoK was more entertaining. Especially seeing the reactions on Yea Forumstumblr/reddit. There were some things that Korra improved upon though ATLA was just tighter overall.

If you want something that feels like it captures the "spirit" of Avatar in terms of characters you can like and the feeling of a journey, go watch The Dragon Prince I guess. Korra just kind of feels like it has nowhere to go because she's just exploring a city and trying to correct failures/misgivings.

The big issue that causes it to surge back every now and again is that it ends in a gay romance. And that in and of itself is not a problem. BUT it resulted in a bunch of fangirls, tumblrites and reporters to declare it the best thing ever and to claim any complaints about it to be based in bigotry.

So basically it was a completely terrible show that some people will constantly and irrationally stick up for while shouting down any other viewpoint. So not only was it hugely disappointing, but attempts to vent and then get over it are constantly stymied and turned into another argument where their views are undermined or ignored.

Not even the fights are as good as the original because they took what were unique characters with unique styles and homogenized the hell out of them.

A dead eyed sociopath who does nothing but cause problems, get people killed, and use the people in her life for her own ends, bounces between romantic partners constantly is your favorite character?

Korra is fucking horrible and if you consider her actions for even a minute you'd see that.

Not that user but Korra very clearly matures over the course of the series and few of those points apply in the first place.
Where did you even get those points from? Alphaalapcapack, who flat-out says he had to take her behavior out of context in order for his criticisms to even work?

Can't help but feel you're just looking for things to hate rather than giving her character a fair shot, user.

But hey this is Yea Forums afterall, so you do you.

LoK is ATLA and here is garbage.

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I feel the main two issues are it's major characters and its plot. Nobody on Korra's Team Avatar are as likable or interesting as the original. They also spend large portions of the story separated from each other so they're relationships aren't as well developed. Also the story isn't planned out from the beginning like TLA was resulting in some seasons being good like Season 3 while Season 2 is an absolute mess instead of the series being good overall.

>Many people here like to shit on it, but I'd like to know if I'd be losing my time were I to give it a chance.
just fap to korra porn the show is shit

I like Tenzin and Varrick. Everyone else was pretty much irredeemable trash or forgettable. I suppose it’s worth noting Korra herself is hot as hell.

He’s just waifu’ing her, logic has nothing to do with it

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TLK is TLJ of western animation. It doesn’t have the legion of mouse shills and shit-eating SW “fans” to defend it, but it does have plenty of tasteless white knights who’ll argue there’s something redeemable about it

You just watch it if your curiosity kills you, go ahead. Then get back to us and join the hate train. Win win eh?

It did give us a pretty fun airbender villain, so that at least was good

>Season 1 is a mixed bag. It starts out really good and kept the hype going, but then it falls apart.
Season 1 was never good. Not even at the start.
The finale never "ruined" Amon. Amon didn't have a fucking character before the finale, and Amon only had like a sub minute total amount of screentime throughout the entire season before the finale.
We didn't even get other people talking about Amon, beyond Korra repeating how afraid she was of his ability to take away bending. And that's all Amon ever was. A plot device to suddenly drop in and take away someone's bending, and then drop out of the scene as quickly as he entered it to begin with. And even then, even this only happened a couple of times and it was all we got of Amon.
We got practically nothing of the Equalists either. Fuck they didn't even sell Amon's role within the Equalists convincingly. We saw him make one speech in front of one Equalist audience, once at the beginning of the show. Then he was part of like two terrorist attacks. Sato was surely more important to them than Amon ever was.

Season 1 was fucking terrible, and Amon was never good. The idea of having your antagonist be fucking nothing, without even any screentime, in hope that your audience will give your antagonist the benefit of the doubt and imagine him to be a good character through sheer fanfiction in lack of official material. Is just horrendous writing.
Amon was an utterly terrible antagonist, and your delusional headcanon where he was somehow a good character before being proven wrong, never had any basis in the actual show itself. You just wrote in the blanks yourself because the show was nothing but blanks and you chose to believe he was good because you wanted to be even though you got nothing because all he ever was was nothing.

I like it but then again I'm not an edgy neckbeard

When people say “Amon was good”, they usually mean “the mystery surrounding Amon was interesting and engaging to me”. They’re not praising what he was, they’re essentially saying they liked him based on what he might have been

Korra is a dumbass, but she's a good fighter. Don't expect a good story, stay for the quality action scenes.

I think bending becoming more MMA and less eastern martial arts made for worse action scenes. Sure, the music and motion looked nice enough, but I’d rather watch Katara and Aang performing intricate movements to water bend as opposed to Korra just throwing hands

The season 3 villains legitimately had more chemistry than the main cast, and the prison breakout scenes for each are really good character introductions (even if Zaheer's is overwritten).

Kuvira is also good for those of us into femdom

>they’re essentially saying they liked him based on what he might have been
Which makes it complete and utter fanfiction consider the show did fucking nothing to feed said speculation.

Unfortunately, Aang's family tree probably won't keep growing at the same speed once Tenzin and Pema get too old. I can't really imagine Jinora or Ikki being okay with constant pregnancy like Pema.

The only canon sequel to ATLA is Four Elements Trainer, try that instead.

I completely agree. There are a whole lot of people who praise media not based on what’s actually on the screen or page, but what’s in their head.

I feel like there is something to be said for settings and stories that inspire their audiences to imagine what else might be going on in the world, but yeah it doesn't make the main story actually interesting

For sure. Personally, Harry Potter is a great example of this for me. Fascinating universe, dull story.

The best analogy I can give is the Star Wars prequels - in that while everyone universally agrees that they are an inferior series and ruined some things from the original, almost everyone agrees nowadays that while not perfect, there are things that they do like and that do work well in each film.

Same thing.

>entire series takes place in 1 location
>avatar already mastered 3 elements by the age of 3 so they wont travel the world
>doesnt have the mindset or spirituality of the 3 elements so she sucks
>instead of travelling the world and improving her skills Aang just gives her the spirituality and she instantly becomes in touch with the spirits
Why didnt they just give us team avatar aged up to adults?

>it ends in a gay romance
No it doesn't. Hell, I remember loads of watchers on Yea Forums HOPING it would end in a gay romance, and it ended with the showrunners SAYING there was a gay romance after the fact, but they didn't have the balls to actually include it in the show.

It’s The Last Jedi, a horrible fuck up the likes of which shouldn’t have occurred, defended by retarded fanboys

I tend to agree with most complaints about Korra, but I never understood the hate for the Wan episodes. Easily some of the best episodes in Korra, personally. They're completely unnecessary, but I enjoy them.

A meaningless distinction, honestly. Especially as far as tumblrinas and the media are concerned.

>saying it's so is the same as it being so
Riiight.

>Why didnt they just give us team avatar aged up to adults?
those ppl are not adults themselves so they cant give what they dont have

They don’t make a lick of damn sense if you’re actually thinking about them. They’re pretty enough and mystical enough, but frankly Wan comes off as an idiot and sociopath. That’s in addition to what it does with the lore of the series. I have no idea who though gigantic kites of light and dark were a good idea

It's not The Last Jedi, not by a fucking long shot, and to suggest so completely and utterly undersells what a colossal fuckup TLJ was. Korra was Revenge of the Sith at best and Phantom Menace at worst.

Not him, but let's take an example from the canon comics (that Bryke himself endorses).
First off, Korra leaves the spirit portals open. This is an awful idea in every sense of the words. By doing this, she:
>displaces hundreds for no apparent benefit, creating a massive homeless problem stacked on top of those homeless that already exist and placing even more strain on the RC government during such an uncertain, volatile time
>allows spirit vines to continue growing everywhere, destroying the city's infrastructure and possibly leaving thousands, not counting the aforementioned displaced, without necessities like running water or sewage removal
>leaves WMD potential for every Tom, Dick and Harry to pick up as they please
>runs completely counter to Wan's entirely justified segregation of spirits and humans, which came about in the first place because Korra spirits are apparently nothing but sadists who move into human territory and malform them for shits and giggles, only not killing one particular human because he joined in on their murder-party
>ignores the will of the spirits, the group she LITERALLY TORE OPEN THE FRONT DOOR OF UNANNOUNCED, to close said interdimensional glory holes, pissing off a whole dimension of intangible psychopaths
The fact that Korra does this shows that, at her centre, she has not changed much at all. Her decisions are irresponsible and by no means consider any sort of greater good, the Avatar's primary purpose. She was a self-absorbed, arrogant little shit more concerned with her own opinions than those of the people and spirits she is sworn to maintain the balance of, and remains such to this day. And don't get me started on the whinging to people who don't deserve it, i.e. her own parents.

Oh don't get me wrong, I actually really liked Wan's episodes, especially designs, stylistic shift and the animation, it looks gorgeous, if you rip them out, slap it on a disc for direct to video movie you'd be wondering why they hit the breaks at direct to video and didn't go further to give it a full theatrical treatment like Bambi 2.

But it is kind of Phantom Menace-esque in how it tries to rationalize bending. So a case can be made that it's all style over substance. It's the definition of "just turn off your brain bro" experience, because if you do, it's a very entertaining experience with production values way too high.

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b-but spirits and humans coexist now

You are completely incorrect. LoK had zero right to be as bad as it was, it actively damages the universe, and it seemed as though the writers were purposefully tearing down aspects of the predecessor series. The prequels, for all their idiocy, actually brought something interesting to the Star Wars universe. Every single thing offered by Korra is actively deleterious to the world of avatar

They did a better job showing why the spirits shouldn’t co-exist with humans than justifying why they should. The spirits in wan’s time actively fucked up humans and once the portal is open again we see nothing has actually changed. Korra’s motivation for opening the portal is also practically nonexistent

You are projecting a lot but I will say that the final season and the comics would have both done well to show us at least a little of the potential benefits of open portals
And yes, potential benefits exist if you have any amount of creativity, but the series fails to explore any of them.

>displaces hundreds for no apparent benefit, creating a massive homeless problem stacked on top of those homeless that already exist and placing even more strain on the RC government during such an uncertain, volatile time
Except she and Asami organize and pay for a construction project to create new homes for those that were displaced. We even get a panel of them overseeing construction of these new homes. Raiko was shown to be the incompetent one, pulled along by his corrupt campaign manager.
On top of that most of those destroyed homes were collateral from Kuvira's weapon and army, not something Korra did.
>allows spirit vines to continue growing everywhere, destroying the city's infrastructure and possibly leaving thousands, not counting the aforementioned displaced, without necessities like running water or sewage removal
Korra can't do anything about the vines. She didn't put them there, Unavaatu did, and in S3E1 we get a scene of her directly dealing with the vine issue and being unable to do anything about it because they persistently came back.
>leaves WMD potential for every Tom, Dick and Harry to pick up as they please
Tom, Dick and Harry don't have Kuvira's team of genius inventors and engineers or her vast resources to facilitate research on the vines.
>spirits are apparently nothing but sadists who move into human territory and malform them for shits and giggles
That's how it was in Wan's time, in Korra's time spirits keep mostly to themselves and don't bother anyone. The one time they attacked was when the portal itself was threatened, and Korra immediately came down to stop that.
You leave out key details that explain the context and her behavior, and shift blame onto her for things she didn't do or actively tries to fix.

You're just being hyperbolic for the sake of it. LoK was not TLJ, it was not Baby Geniuses 2, it was not Son of the Mask, it was not The Love Guru. LoK didn't destroy anyone's career, it didn't bankrupt a studio, it didn't cripple a multibillion dollar franchise... it was just a mediocre followup to a much better show. So let's stop pretending it was some unholy abomination that ran over your dog.

Every single good moment is basically erased by Korra's season 2 finale. Don't do it to yourself user. Don't hurt yourself.

None of those things are true of TLJ either, dumbass

>because they persistently came back.
Wan tells the spirits to get lost and the spirits listen.
Korra tells the spirits to get lost and they do not listen.

Vines aren't proper spirits.

Solo tanked and everyone knows TLJ is the reason why. It didn't outright kill the franchise, but it definitely have audiences second thoughts.

I'm sceptical of that argument, plenty of the same people I know who liked TLJ didn't want to see Solo. Actually, plenty of people I know just didn't want to see Solo full stop, pretty much since it was announced.

>Korra Matures
No she doesn't. They say she does and she doesn't act as blatantly childish, but she still does absurdly stupid, self destructive, short sighted, idiotic shit just as often, if not more so. If by mature you mean "Act less like a spoiled brat and more like a manipulative teen" Then yeah, mature as fuck.

>Where did you get those points from?
Her goddamn actions? Have you watched the series? Do you remember how the problems in season 2 and 4 were literally and directly her fault? Do you remember how she just displaced thousands of people and let god knows how many get murdered by spirits because she just decided to leave the portal open? Or how that open portal resulted in death star weapons being fired in the goddamn city, killing god knows how many more? Did you forget her stealing Asami's boyfriend? Her using Asami's property as bait? Her constant complaints toward tenzin, her destruction of ancient historical relics because she got angry? Her petty ass abandonment of her duty because she lost like 15% of her power from magic metal? Her goddamn destruction of the fucking avatar cycle.

She is a fucking trash fire of a human.

>Looking for things to hate

Not at fucking all nigga. I was hard core defending the series at the time it came out because I was in denial. Season two shocked me out of blind fanboyism and from that point on, and during a rewatch, my opinion got worse and worse as I recognized, with hindsight, increasingly stupid writing, plots that go nowhere, bad characterization, butchering of the original's world and lore, terrible ideas in general and just....bad stuff.

I desperately wanted Korra to be good. And I tricked myself for a while thinking it was. But after a while I just had to admit it wasn't.

It has a more updated feel than ATLA, better animation/background art etc. A bigger budget really. But I genuinely think it's a great show. All these people shitting on it are the over exaggerating. It's good, not as good as ATLA but it's good enough to watch at least.

They had the same shit in the original series...

There were fire benders propelling ship engines.

Anyway I think the evolution of culture and civilization portrayed in the show necessitates these ancient powers losing a bit of their mysticism as they become even more mainstream. It reflects our own society.

>portals
Unalaq tricked her into opening the south portal by saying that it'll quell spirit attacks that were going on at the time, and it actually did so he was justified.
The north portal was opened because Unalaq had Jinora at gunpoint.
Otherwise see .

I'm not the other user, but I never got any of that sense from the show. They did emphasize the skill required to bend in avatar but you also saw just as much of it being used for mundane purposes and just as easily as you see in Korra. It's always been an innate skill that requires some practice to use at all and then years of practice to MASTER. I don't think that changed at all here, maybe they just de emphasized it.

And yet, aside from The Swamp, the Wilds from Wan's time were gone allowing for humans to build and gain territory.

Sounds a lot like Korra to me

>decided to leave open
Can you read

You really are attributing stuff to her that is more the fault of others dealing with opportunities she's created in bad faith rather than actually being her responsibility, and on top of that you seem fine ignoring every effort she tries to make to learn from her mistakes, all to punish her for not being perfect.

Like, why on earth are you blaming Korra for something Varrick made? How was it her fault for the avatar cycle being destroyed when it was Vaatu-possessed Unalaq who did that to her? Do you curse Einstein for every nuke and Henry Ford for every car accident?

I think you need to let go of some of this hatred user, it really doesn't seem healthy and I can't believe you reached this level of it on your own; there will have been some echo chamber or worldview that has helped this on its way and you really should step back from it.

Those problems stem from the portals being opened in the first place, not because they were left open. Portals being left open have no effect on the vines, which were the cause of the issues mentioned in the post.
Spirits themselves caused almost no issues in the series.

>"KORRA IS SO STUPID SHE'S A RETARD BABY MORON"
>"wtf why didn't Korra figure everything out and was constantly one step ahead of everyone else?"
Somehow Korra is so incompetent but at the same time she's responsible for everything.

She’s incompetent because she creates or exacerbates problems, then doesn’t take responsibility for them. How is this hard to figure out?

>You are projecting a lot
Please elaborate. As far as I can see, every one of the concerns I listed was both realistic and immediate.
>potential benefits exist if you have any amount of creativity
Such as? Vacationing is out of the question since the Spirit World is incredibly dangerous. Seriously, the human-hating mountain spirit, Koh, fruit-bees, man-eating plants and so much more? For the average Joe it'd be like taking a holiday to Catachan. Resources and energy? Maybe, but stuff in the spirit world is highly fucky and any attempt to take/change shit might incur the wrath of spirits like Hei Bai. Spirits have always been much, much less welcoming of change than humans since it seems to directly affect the spirits themselves, not just their landscape.

Huh, you bring up a lot of valid points I can't really refute. Fair play to you. However, I don't see why Kira still couldn't just try closing the portal. For all we know it would sever the vines' connection to the Spirit World and kill them off for good, opening back up land and also appeasing the spirits who want that shit under lock and key to prevent idiots from going on ill-informed tours through a magical death world. That's at least two birds with one stone since we know for a fact the spirits would be happier and nobody could use the Spirit World for their dumbass schemes, on top of other possible benefits that we don't know for certain would happen but likely will.

A character being stupid is great in a comedy, especially if they are a side character or co-star. The same can't be said in an action adventure show that tries to take itself seriously.
Korra sees what is going on around her (Wan's past, Amon's resourcefulness, Zaheer's determination, and Kuvira's robot being controlled by the main control room in the headpiece.) And yet she still goes into the spirit world to close the other portal rather than just wait for Harmonic Convergence to pass, leaves the portals opened, thinks that by saying that Amon is a waterbender in front of a crowd of his followers is going to destroy their faith in him, thinks Zaheer won't double-cross her, and doesn't just have the group converge on Kuvira and remove her without putting everyone in jeopardy by attempting to split the group and destroy the mech,
And that's just a few things. She, and a host of other characters in the group, are blind to what is happening around them and don't even bother to put forth an iota of effort into thinking.

No it is not.

Season 1 packed full of filler, revolves around a stupid mystery that ends disappointingly, and has an overarching threat that just gets handwaved at the end.

Season 2 butches the established lore and the latter half descends into nonsense culminating in a finale that is practically experimental with how dumb it is.

Season 3 is...fine. Its alright. Its not amazing or anything but its the best of the seasons because it actually deals with some interesting ideas and has a villain whose actions and motivation make sense and who poses an actual threat.

Season 4 has fem-hitler using tree cannons and platinum mechs to unite the earth kingdom by blowing shit up.

Even without ATLA's shadow hanging over it, the show is subpar.

I hate when people on Yea Forums pretend their time is precious. Just watch a couple of episodes and make up your mind, faggot.

The characters don’t act like human beings, they act as though they’re being moved by an invisible hand. Aka the plot. It’s frustrating as a viewer.

>For all we know it would sever the vines' connection to the Spirit World and kill them off for good
Most of the vines Kuvira used as fuel came from the Swamp, not Republic City. Since the Swamp remained even when the portals were closed, and were shown to have a connection to the RC vines, it's more likely that the closure of the portals would have had no effect on them.

Life's too short to watch shit.

Yeah you wanna focus on the
>Opportunities she created
Part there. Because a lot of those opportunities were caused by her refusing to listen to people who it is established have her best interest at heart.

Varrick only got those opportunities she created because she flat up ignored other people pointing out that Varrick is a giant obvious villain. And she does this all the fucking time. People keep telling her to knock it off and she keeps blindly making problems for herself.

Technically its not her fault the avatar cycle was destroyed, thats the fault of the writers and brain damage. But it happened in her goddamn show and under her goddamn watch so I'm blaming her because otherwise I have nothing to blame but the nebulous concept of contrived writing.

Also no, fuck you. I watched this show myself, I experienced what I experienced and think what I think. You can't fucking gas light and brainwash me into accepting subpar garbage.

>Korra is so bad that even Platinum games wasn't able to salvage anything from it.

Watch the first season and pretend the rest don't exist and you're good.

Except that Varrick started to experiment with the vines due to what happened in RC. The reason they used the Swamp was because RC wasn't letting Kuvira's military in to get the vines.
Closing the portals has to affect the vines somehow otherwise the world would still be filled with them like in Wan's time.

Ah, damn. Do you think the military-grade weapon equivalent of pesticides would have worked? The nuke of weedkillers? The Tsar Bomba of Wet And Forget?

Chainsaws seemed to work. The vines might be able to be destroyed by machinery instead of bending. Kuvira's army cut out the great tree in the center of the Swamp for the core of the mech. Do we know if the tree is growing back like the vines did in RC every time they used bending on the vines?

>The universe is able to make Mech Suits and Wave motion cannons
>Somehow nobody has come up with the idea of putting black powder in a tube, putting a metal ball in it and lighting the black powder.

>I have nothing to blame but the nebulous concept of contrived writing.
I blame that and it works fine. It's what they call a diabolus ex machina, there's like three ex machinas in that finale and I hate every single one of them.

But the first season is bad. The setting makes no sense, Korra is an unlikable jerk, the characters are pale imitations of ATLA, the central mystery is resolved in a dumb way, and every big threat or consequence immediately gets solved without effort. Aang literally shows up in the last 40 seconds to fix everything with no effort AND HE'S FUCKING DEAD.

>Vacationing is out of the question since the Spirit World is incredibly dangerous.
Yeah, for the average tard human family sure.
There would be plenty of more monk-ish humans who would love to go now that the portals are open. Hell Iroh took the trip before they were open, and he's been loving it. And what about Bumi, who learned he was good with spirits? Someone like him could make a new living not even there, but in the places where spirits now live in our world. And others could just seek knowledge, or even companionship? How long before we see someone with spirit friends, or a whole new group of spirit-lovers?
Aside from them, there'd be the thrill seekers. I could just imagine an Avatar world Steve Irwin broadcasting himself messing with spirits (until he gets killed by the one you'd least expect, just like ours).
They would also be a valuable point of transit. Risky sure, but if you could get planes strategically into enemy territory by going through one portal and out the other where you couldn't over the planet's surface, you might take that risk.

>Resources and energy? Maybe, but stuff in the spirit world is highly fucky and any attempt to take/change shit might incur the wrath of spirits like Hei Bai.
Hei Bai already got here with the portals closed. Maybe now with them open someone could revolutionize the medicine or energy industries with spirit water or vines.

Again, it takes an unbelievable lack of imagination to be able to think of any good stories to tell with open portals. Which was why I was so excited when she decided to keep them open, and so disappointed when nothing interesting came from it.

>The setting makes no sense
What part of the setting makes no sense? Do you really think technology couldn't have progressed that much in 70 years?

>the nebulous concept of contrived writing.

You literally just defined it and yet are still choosing to blame the events on a fictional character. Beyond this, you've got this bizarre false equivalnce that just because people have her best interests at heart that also means they know what's best for her, and if that were true she may as well have let the villains roll over her.

It seems you're not good at handling that she wasn't perfect, but I get the feeling that even if she was you'd pick at her for being so 'above' everyone else. Maybe you just have a problem with how headstrong she was and how she wasn't inclined to just blindly follow authority figures- it seems likely with how you talk about her.

I ain't asking you to review your opinion of the show, but if it's caused this much of a vitrolic reaction in you I would suggest you to reflect on how it's managed to affect you so badly.

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Is there powder in the Avatar universe? It seems that they haven't invented it.

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Yes, something I've noticed with people who hate Korra (not just her regular critics) really don't like *anything* about her. They hate her because she was a sheltered 17 year old girl who lacked grace in expressing her frustration with the authority figures in her life, and in general. They hate her because she was bending three elements as a toddler, even though she still had to spend the next 14 years training to master them. They hate her when she loses, they hate her when she wins. They hate her when she skirts her training and they hate her when she actually tries to step up to the plate as the Avatar. They hate her when she has a personality and they hate her when she's become an empty shell of what she once was.

And I get the writing in Korra wasn't great, and there were multiple occasions when it felt like the entire cast was wearing dunce caps, but it's been five years since the show ended and I can't believe people still hate her the way they do.

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Bumi spent his whole life in the military trying to do good and impress his father because he wasn't an Airbender (Until later). He had a hard life.

>We even get a panel of them overseeing construction of these new homes
So it's only in the comics.

>On top of that most of those destroyed homes were collateral from Kuvira's weapon and army, not something Korra did.
Kuvira attacked because Korra kidnapped her boyfriend.

>She didn't put them there, Unavaatu did,
Korra refused to close the portals or remove them.

>vast resources to facilitate research on the vines.
They already know how they work. no research needed, just the facility to build another machine.

>in Korra's time spirits keep mostly to themselves and don't bother anyone.
In season 3 Korra was kicked out of Republic City because the spirits caused problems.

>The one time they attacked was when the portal itself was threatened
The portal Korra didn't close.

>Kuvira's army cut out the great tree in the center of the Swamp for the core of the mech.
It didn't look like the trunk of tree, just a huge tangle of vines. It's likely the tree is intact.
And we don't know what's left of the Swamp, we never visit it again.

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I miss when she drew porn.

It’s pretty goddamn obvious. It’s because she truly is a flawed character. Which is great. But she’s not treated like one. This makes her personality become grating, her actions difficult to parse, and it causes people to react negatively to her character. Besides, you can’t act like the character and writing are two separate things. The writing IS Korra. Bad writing, bad character. You wanting to fuck her doesn’t change that.

>Kuvira attacked because Korra kidnapped her boyfriend.
Are you fucking kidding me right now?

Yes, I really think that technology going from like 1300-1500's ish tech where the vast majority of tech was powered by men or bending to 20th century tech in the space of less then a century is rather absurd. Also it makes no real sense because a lot of the tech are "Islands" of sorts. Ie the other tech that should come with it or the societal effects it should have are not seen. For instance, they have an extensive power grid and devices that use electricity but apparently no one has figured out how to generate the electricity outside of having a bunch of fire benders stand in a room and use what was -till very recently- an extremely advanced fire bending technique that was almost entirely monopolized by fire bending royalty to shock a generator.

Also, despite this giant influx of technology that should have pushed bending towards extinction in many ways and stripped it of its mystic and martial arts connections, radically redefining the place and nature of benders in relation to the world, everything seems to basically be status quo. Which is too bad because an actual examination of the place of bending in a modern society would have been cool but nah, its just an art choice because a show runner like gangsters.

I blame her for being adjacent to the shit writing and the focus of the shit writing and the cause of the events that lead to the shit writing.

And I am effected badly only when shit heads come around and tell me that my opinion is wrong and force me to remember the betrayal that the entire series was.

I never said anything about wanting to fuck her.

Wonder if all four of them shared a bed.

I struggle to imagine any other reason you'd be defending her or the show.

>Yes, I really think that technology going from like 1300-1500's ish tech where the vast majority of tech was powered by men to 20th century tech in the space of less then a century is rather absurd
Why? It happened that way in our world.

They are young and hot and the girls are BI, why wouldn't they.

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Korra literally tried to use the Republic as base to build military weapons for the Water Tribe Civil War for her industrialist girlfriend. Best Avatar ever.

>There would be plenty of more monk-ish humans who would love to go ... whole new group of spirit-lovers?
They could just do an Iroh instead, meditate their way inside. Za here managed it. If they're monk-like and not just tards then they'll definitely be willing to expend the effort on safety, etiquette, spirituality and everything else that ensures another interdimensional war won't ignite because Joe Shmoe and his family easily bypassed the spirit border because someone left the front door wide open, went inside, pissed some big spirit off and promptly got murdered.
>Aside from them, there'd be the thrill seekers
That falls into the "offensive idiots" category, surely? Steve Irwin messed with animals, lower, non-sapient creatures that had no concept of etiquette and so could be fucked with. Spirits, on the contrary, are not animals. They have human - or greater - tier intellect and are extensively long-lived, creating an entirely different type of creature to any other. It's like the difference between Steve Irwin catching a crocodile as opposed to Steve Irwin harassing a crime family on their holiday. One's educational, the other's a prank video that will surely end in mangled corpses and a death threat to the producer's immediate family.
>Hei Bai already got here with the portals closed
That's not the point I was making. My point was that spirits, for whatever reason, seem to really dislike change, and any large-scale human operations on their turf that change things around too much would probably be met with violence.
>someone could revolutionize the medicine or energy industries with spirit water or vines.
Like I said, mass harvesting wouldn't go down well with the spirits there. Besides, there's plenty of vines in the swamp.
I agree that the possibilities are fun to play with and offer plenty of unique storytelling opportunities, but there has to be a level consideration for what would realistically happen in the setting as a result of the plot.

>The setting makes no sense,
On the contrary. ATLA already had late 1800's style fire ships and WW1 zeppelins. Early 20th century style city is not that far fetched.
>and every big threat or consequence immediately gets solved without effort.
On the contrary Korra gets her ass handed to herself more often than not by Amon and others. The only really retarded part of the plot was the forced romance subplot that was ripped off from every cheap dollar store romance novel in the existence.

We get instances like this , among others.

Getting the shit beaten out of you isn’t much of a consequence to be honest. You get back up, you move on. Sometimes after a drawn out and pointless PTSD plot, but ya know. Losing your bending is. But we know how that went.

the team that plays together stays together

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You still seem to be glossing over things that don't fit your hate-boner, but whatever.

>And I get the writing in Korra wasn't great, and there were multiple occasions when it felt like the entire cast was wearing dunce caps, but it's been five years since the show ended and I can't believe people still hate her the way they do.
I don't hate her. Its more like frustration for the main show which had potential in the first season. I don't have to hate White Walkers/The Others to hate what GoT final season did to them. Its the same kind of frustration. They had something good in their grasp and they fucking botched it.

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Such as?

season 1 is bad. season 2 is TERRIBAD.
season 3 is ALMOST good. season 4 is bad.

they took everything that made ATLA good and curbstomped it in a volcano.

Also, I reached 2000 characters too fast and forgot to continue. I was about to say how our little argument here could be a season's worth of plot in itself, solely about the conflict between portals being kept open or closed. We both have valid arguments, thus do both sides. It's as you say, maybe groups of more benevolent spirits like their new homes and have set up with groups of humans, thus opposing the closing. Opposing them might be those displaced by the xboxhuge portal that broke the city block they invested their entire life savings in who want spirits out for good. I think that'd be pretty cool.

its not that people hate her because shes and asshole character, its because she faces no consequences for being an asshole despite being THE avatar, that and the series is fucking boring,with too much filler and not much happening, you cant replace travelling around the world and an kid seeking redemption with his uncle with generic forced love triangles and petty drama all the time. imagine ATLA if it was just those firenation kids on ember island getting into petty drama and being whiney schizo's but for the WHOLE SHOW, arguable it would be kino but more than likely it would be shit

What, really? I feel it's the inverse for me. Engaging story and characters but the setting is pants-on-head level of retarded, which makes sense if you assume Rowling made everything up as she went along.

I liked it.

I think the simplest fix for this would be adding even one named, recurring spirit character to the story.
A friend, a rival, a mentor, a potential love interest, a kid to look after.
Anything of those that we could look to for the spirit perspective in the story.

No, that's Bolin.

Then you are one of the rare few who enjoyed the story, but doesn't desire to buy a wand, or get sorted into a house, or spend a day in Hogsmeade?

Bumi was supposed to be another goofy genius, but ended up just being goofy. I really liked Bumi and was disappointed with how they used him, to be honest; his first scene held a lot of promise for a fun character.
When I first saw Bolin my immediate thought that he really was the replacement for Sokka, and I didn't warm up to him until I stopped trying to see him as such.

Why the love triangles, for the love of God? Avatar's romance was always crappy, why make such a big focus out of it? It's insufferable.

Maybe because, despite being such a small part of the original show, it ended up being about 70 percent of any discussions about the show.

should of had no love triangles

Should of had Korra being alpha as fuck and had her tapping both her bodyguards.

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Add Asami and make her the dominant one and I agree

Not that guy, but I’m the one who brought up HP. I’ve heard two very strong reactions to that. Some people really want the HP experience to be exactly what they saw in the movies or read in the books. So when you go to HP world, they’re fine getting Hermione’s wand or whatever. But for me, I care more about the world. I want my own wand, my own Ollivander’s experience. Why the fuck would I care what Sirius’ wand was? That was my problem with Diagon Alley and Hogsmeade too. It was all the same shit merchandise in every store, almost zero attempt to make it feel like an actual store from that world.

Of course not everyone would watch Solo, it's merely a spin-off. But compare the differences between TLJ and Solo to the one between TFA and Rogue One. I know it's hard to compare the two due to one having an iconic main character, but it's clear something has happened to the franchise.

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$20 this is the same user making this same thread over and over
>I've watched ATLA a ton but never watched TLOK before! Should I watch it?
sure sure

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Appealing to your fanbase is a death sentence.

you ignorant fool. if you're an sjw who's all about "impulsivity" and retarded flip flopping storylines, then yea, you'll like it but if you're a rational human being who actually has quality tastes in entertainment mediums, then you'll hate it

it's better than 99.99% of the shit western animation puts out

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I mean...in terms of animation quality maybe...some of the time. Its kind of all over the place when they hire the animation out to cheap koreans over....normal koreans.

Can't you write the same without being so mean, mister?

you fags are still crying?

Ok, here's the thing though: Korra getting beaten up DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER! It has no fucking consequences. Yeah she gets punched a few times big fucking woop. It doesn't matter because none of it sticks.

Actually think about it. Can you tell me one single negative consequence that remains from Amon?
>Equalists
Disbanded and utterly vanish from the entire series, no long term effects.
>Asami loses her dad
Asami is a fucking non-character and her relationship or troubles with her father are such nothing aspect of the story that his imprisonment means nothing other than that Asami can now act as the group's personal bank. A positive, if anything.
>Benders that lost their bending
Korra just gives it back.
>Korra loses her bending
Aang just gives it back, letting her give it back to other people. Keep in mind that this makes ZERO FUCKING SENSE because unlike the spirit bending that aang used, the bending taken by Amon was taken using bloodbending. So her being able to spirit bend shouldn't fix shit.
>Korra getting in trouble with the authorities/unknowingly aiding a man trying to take over the city
No consequences, tenzin gets her out or...they kind of just don't think of it or cover it so it disappears.

Now lets consider all the shit just handed to Korra, either via plot or literally just handed to her.

>Airbending
Gets it for no reason, because plot dictates she has to.
>Avatar state
Gets perfect mastery over it because Aang just hands it to her.
>Spirit Bending
See above.
>Asami's seemingly endless cash and stuff
>Love of bolin and nu-zuko despite two-timing and sexual assault

So no, there are no consequences. None of it matters. At the end of the series she literally has nothing except a big ass bag of new powers, money, and peons following her.

>he bending taken by Amon was taken using bloodbending
I wish they had fixed this by having Katara wait for a full moon to try to figure out how to return their bending. Not only does it make sense and doesn't feel like an honest to God Deus Ex Machina, but it also gives her something more to do, which would be nice, and explores the idea that something she once found so abhorrent could be used to do some good.

>On the contrary
No, fuck you. A zepplin and a Radio are not the same goddamn thing. A big ass drill and a fucking bipedal sky scraper sized mech are not the same thing.

I'm not saying that they'd have NO technological advancement. I'd be fine with cars or car like things since they had tanks. I'd be fine with Blimps and subs and trains and various mechanical things that could be seen as natural evolutions of the tech of the fire nation. However, we get not only that but a ton more AAAAND an evolution of culture and ideas that is NIGH IDENTICAL to that of 1920's america? Thats just fucking lazy. They didn't bother to actually world build, they just ripped an existing setting and slapped some wall paper over it.

>Gets perfect mastery over it because Aang just hands it to her.
Weird how she could just walk into the Avatar State no problem. You'd expect that someone who has that much trouble with her spiritual training would struggle more unlocking the seven required chakras to gain proper control over that power.

The fact that the show turned so American always bothered me. Why would a world based entirely on Eastern Culture end up resembling a Western Society? Japan started resembling the West because they realized that they either caught up or they'd be fucked over like China, therefore, the Meiji Restoration took place.

Lasting consequences are very good for the narrative and is often mishandled by most stories, which is why B3 has the best TLOK finale no contest, but it doesn't automatically erase the struggle. Korra didn't just casually defeat Amon she struggled throughout the season which is part of the reason why the season was enjoyable at points; i.e. Korra losing that bravado and being genuinely terrified of Amon was a nice plot point. The B1 finale tried really hard to tie everything in a neat little bow to the detriment of the show her mastering the Avatar State specifically should have been held off.

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I liked how the result of defeating the villain in B2 led to the B3 villain and that led to the B4 villain. I really enjoy how those people of different interest and ideologies are connected; maybe it reminds me of real world history in that sense.

It baffles me that someone can hate the Legend of Korra, a quality show albeit with some flaws, with such a passion, and then at the same time love shows that also have major shortcomings such as Steven Universe, Star vs, Samurai Jack, Adventure Time, the Dragon Prince (which I see so much shilling for when its worldbuilding, action, mysticism, and humor are abysmal compared to Korra), etc

Yeah but you have to remember that this is right before the season where they retcon that entire system and say "LOL JK actually its got nothing to do with chakras or the spirit of the earth or any of that dumb bullshit. You're actually just being haunted by a sentient tribal tattoo who we've never talked about until now because....whatever, fuck you."

Japan modernized mostly because we dropped two nukes on them then came in and helped them rebuild, shoving a bunch of modern american ideas into them.

MY WIFE

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>It baffles me that someone can hate the Legend of Korra, a quality show albeit with some flaws, with such a passion, and then at the same time love shows that also have major shortcomings such as Steven Universe, Star vs, Samurai Jack, Adventure Time, the Dragon Prince (which I see so much shilling for when its worldbuilding, action, mysticism, and humor are abysmal compared to Korra), etc

One of the problems with Korra is that it came after ALTA and everyone was expecting it to be just as good. If Korra was a brand new show with no association to ALTA, there would still be some gripes about it, but there wouldn't be nearly the same level of disappointment that it didn't live up to its potential.

>Korra loses
>Amon comes out
>Has the chance to block her bending or kill her outright
>Lol, nah

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You're ignoring other reforms prior to WWII and even WWI; Japan was a rising start at the beginning of the 20th century and proved itself as a potential great power by defeating Russia in the Russo-Japanese War in 1904. Thanks in part to the western styled reforms that, for example, got rid of the caste system that was in place, introducing modern economical and political liberalism, a European styled army, development of industry and such.
Either way, it doesn't make a lick of sense that the world of Avatar looks like 1920s America.

You didn't watch S1 or the first half of S2, I take it?

>unlocking the seven required chakras
Was it ever stated that was a requirement? I thought it was a method that worked best for air nomad avatars because it was directly in line with their philosophy, and the other cultures had other methods.
Look up Escape from the Spirit World on youtube, an old flash game that takes place between book 2 and book 3 of ATLA and is supposedly canon. We get a Roku flashback there, where a sage is teaching him to access the Avatar State but not through the chakra method. He even uses a special stone to deactivate the AS when Roku slips into it by accident.

I'm going by what the series told us; the Guru said that if Aang wanted to enter the Avatar State and control it he'd need to unlock the chakras. I always figured that was universal for all Avatars.

I've never seen most of those shows (Besides samurai jack) but the things that make me hate Korra are:

1. Not as good as ATLA
2. Bad portrayal of former Gaang members.
3. Setting that feels forced and out of nowhere, and which we are basically stuck in for 90% of the show.
4. Bland characters that never reached the levels of the original ATLA group. Hell, even minor characters like King Bumi were better than major characters like Bolin.
5. Writing that is generally somewhere between passable and bad. Worst of all though is the fact that it does have some interesting ideas but then utterly fails to deliver on them.
6. And this is the biggest one: The rape of the established lore. Season two is the biggest offender but there are smaller issues spread through out the entire series. Frankly, they just strip all mystery and mysticism out of it and the stuff they replace it with or the stuff they do with that new stuff is terrible. Then they kill the avatar cycle in what felt like a deliberately calculated attempt to divorce ATLA from Korra and kill all connections to the past.

All of these together, with 6 the most, are why I hate korra.

I did. Twice. Explain what you're alluding to or leave.

Lets assume its not needed. That pe

You okay, user?

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Lets assume its not needed, at least not that exactly. Lets assume that getting to the avatar state simply requires the right mindset and regardless of how you reach it, you can use it if you get there.

The whole spirit of light thing is still
1. Dumb
2. Out of nowhere
3. Inconsistent with other aspects of the lore
4. Uninteresting
5. Dumb.

Yeah, for some reason when I connected a different keyboard it caused my page to reload and submit an unfinished post. That or it was candle ja

2) Who was done bad? Aang was badass, Toph was the same character, and Zuko and Katara didn't really do much. But it's not like anyone's character was ruined

3) what was wrong with the setting? You're only in Republic City for all of Season 1, the rest of the seasons have the characters exploring the rest of the world, especially in Seasons 3 and 4. And some of the new locations were great and creative (like Zaofu, the renovated Air Temples)

4) Yeah the main characters weren't as memorable or strong compared to ATLA. But a lot of the side characters were fantastic, and better than ATLA's side characters. Compare, Lin, the Beifong family, Verrick, Zhu-Li, and the good villains like Tarlok, the Red Lotus, Kuvira compared to characters like Suki, Jet, Teo the wheelchair kid...

6) There are extensive videos on youtube that are great at delving into the lore of Korra. Raava does NOT contradict what was shown in ATLA, just expands. I recommend watching "Dear Future Me" videos

honestly people look back at ATLA with way too fond of memories. Don't get me wrong, I love it, it's one of my favorite shows of all time, and I like it more than Korra. But it definitely has it's fair share of problems as well. Both shows have their strengths and weaknesses

Amon said it'd just make her a martyr, his position wasn't strong enough that he could just take out the Avatar without repercussions. Same logic as:
>Hou-Ting: [Furious.] Who told you that we have the Avatar?!
>Zaheer: How I know is not important. But if I found out, others will too. And that could put you in a difficult position.
>Hou-Ting: Is that so?
>Zaheer: Your Majesty, imprisoning the Avatar will cause the other nations to turn against you and demand her freedom. Before long, we'd be in the midst of a sticky international incident.
He was later pretty much forced to put an end to her after she revealed she knew the truth of who he was, and his position was much stronger / poised to take Republic City.

Also plot armor. How much you buy this sort of logic is up to you.

The show told us the Guru was wrong a couple times, he wanted to take a shortcut for Aang's development. We have never seen another Avatar need to "unlock their chakras" to master the Avatar State, we got Roku's journey on-screen without any hint of him doing that; travelling the world was what developed his character enough to enter the Avatar State.

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>travelling the world was what developed his character enough to enter the Avatar State
Korra was a very unstable young woman, short-tempered and inexperienced. How did she access the Avatar State that easily then?

Because they didn't think they'd get more seasons, Book 1 was suppose to be her complete character arc.

>who was done bad
All of them. Aang existed as deus ex machina until he was murdered. Toph showed up and did jack shit, Zuko did nothing, Katara did nothing etc. They existed only as cameos and had no meaningful purpose.

>Whats wrong with the setting
Republic city is bad.

>Good side characters
Maybe, that depends. I found them not as good because unlike ATLA they weren't in as good of a setting or story so they couldn't shine. Lin is fine and all but... god she has nothing to fucking do 90% of the time.

>It does not contradict.
Fuck
You.

So I'm supposed to sit here and accept that this dumb glowing kite bullshit exists and not a single avatar would talk about it in ATLA? Aang was always talking to his past lives and they never mention it. Iroh never mentioned it. None of the other fucking spirits mentioned it. Fuck, not even the lion turtle WHO WAS THERE AT THE TIME mentioned it. That dumb kite should be central to the entire fucking being of the avatar and YET no one says a goddamn thing about it? Bullshit.

ALSO

I'll thank you to remember that Roku specifically tells Aang that the Avatar state is the result of the combined power and skills of past avatars. Thats what the glow is. Despite this, Korra can still enter the avatar state even after the entire cycle is broken and all past avatars are erased.

AND even if I were to swallow you and your equally retarded apologist youtube propaganda by fags desperately trying to be relevant, even if I were to think that its an expansion not a retcon, it would be TERRIBLE. Everything about Raava is goddamn stupid and reads like 12 year old fanfic or World of Warcraft lore.

Thats a complete lie and bryke themselves have said so. They were greenlit for a full four seasons by the time the first was airing and they were under no requirement to complete a full arc in one season. Also, each season was (for the most part) a stand alone story arc regardless so that excuse doesn't hold up.

I mean, she was able to enter the Avatar state already in Book 1, wasn't she? Am I remembering wrong?

Cringe

>Zuko did nothing
Got to admit, I liked his old man look the most out of all the original cast. It's also kind of dumb, but seeing him as an old man with his scar still there (not that it could go anywhere) was strangely satisfying, just remembering how he got it so many years before.

ALSO

The lion turtle WHO WAS THERE AT THE TIME told Aang that in the era before the avatar they didn't bend the elements, the bent the energy within themselves. Yet, low and behold, in the time before the avatar we have a bunch of protobenders and not a single energy bender.

ALSO ALSO- fucking hell this is fractally stupid- what the fuck happened to the animal or nature based origins of the bending? The dragons, the badger moles, the moon and sea? Nah nigga, turtles just handed that shit out to whoever asked.

I am full of nothing but hate.

The season was already complete when they were told to make more, it was originally suppose to be a 12 episode mini-series. It's not an excuse I already said in the thread they should have held off on this. She specifically needed to go into the Avatar State to heal everyone for their big resolution.

That is a myth, a prevalent one, but a myth none the less. Look up the interview where they talk about being at work on 40 episodes at the same time. They talk about how they knew they'd have more seasons before anything even started.

korra-fags absolutely seething

The villains in Korra are terrible. Combined with how they kinda shit on the characters from TLA.

>Amon
Hey, maybe non-benders don't have it as well as benders? NAH. He's an evil blood bender.

>Unalaq
Hey, maybe in this new fast technological world the spirit world is being ignored? NAH. Dark Avatar.

>Zaheer
Hey, maybe he has a point, the world is out of balance? NAH. His big plan is to kill the Avatar.

>Kuvira
Hey, maybe the world is in need of vast change? NAH. Literally Hitler, look at the helmets.

Their villains could be deep and interesting. Instead they always turn out to be literally moustache twirling evil.

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Pretty much, I am willing to bet there is fanfiction better written then LOK or harry potter at the very least, am I ever going to look? Fuck that noise I am not digging through that shit pile for the possibility of gold nuggets.

You say that, but they are pretty much fucking fucking in the comics while everyone and their mother is saying how fucking progressive it is in the comic, it is a shitshow.

I want to fuck Korra's tits.

Look it up yourself. Korra was greenlit as a 12-episode mini-series on July 2010 and was in production with that in mind, with possibility of another block of episodes. Only when Studio Mir shipped back the first episode, Nick decided to make it a full season (Book 1 + Book 2) by adding 14 episodes on March 2011 because Judy McGrath was so impressed she thought it could surpass Spongebob.

>A weapon to surpass Spongebob

>Zaheer
>Hey, maybe he has a point, the world is out of balance?
How in the absolute fuck does a non-bender come to the conclusion that might makes right in the avatar universe? That's what I want to know.

Maybe he looked at all the benders sitting on top for literally all of recorded history and thought "hey, maybe there's something to this."

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In the interview Bryke literally said that while they were officially only greenlit on 12 episode mini series that nick basically told them that they would have several other seasons as well. They said that nick was expecting the show to be big so they basically had the ok to plan for the future.

Even if they didn't, you're working at this backwards. This idea that they need spirit bending and avatar state to reverse the block can easily be written around or written out. Hell, like I said before, it doesn't even make sense. Aang blocked people via spirit bending but Amon did it with blood bending. Spirit bending shouldn't be needed and wouldn't be effective because its not the cause of the problem.

Its dumb and the more you defend it, the more you are as well.

>Hey, maybe non-benders don't have it as well as benders? NAH. He's an evil blood bender.
Yeah I fucking hated that, it fucking ruined the character completely, instead of having this really interesting threatening character who has no magical power of his own but commands respect and shows he has the will to do what he believes fully in, nope he is a bloodbender and he wants revenge because muh father. Fuck that it fucking killed the series for me right there.

He is a spiritual guy who spouts a lot of nonsense, essentially. How does killing the Avatar bring any kind of balance?

Having him start revolutions and be the power keg was fine. Having his master plan be kill the Avatar? Gah.

there's a great video on why Zaheer wants to kill the Avatar youtube.com/watch?v=OWcetuR3Jv0&t=2s

The problem with these kinds of youtube essays is they are making conjecture without looking at the way the character was written and presented to audiences.

They read into how the character SHOULD BE and not how the character was presented to the audience.

This post:
You could sit and do an essay on any of those villains and make them better than what they seem because conceptually they all could have been interesting, but look how they actually turned out in the show.

Reading between the lines so much is basically ignoring how badly the show messed up potentially good ideas.

Exactly what I was thinking while watching it.

>In an interview that doesn't exist
Alright
There's a reason why B1 was so much more of a full-stop conclusion than the other seasons, and there was a further delay in production after McGrath was canned which is why Mir couldn't do the first half of B2 they were already doing The Boondocks in 2012. Not defending but this is just a thing. B1 finale was meh regardless Aang giving her cheat codes to unlock the Avatar State was just the cherry on top.

I'm not watching that essay, but we didn't need a 5minute monologue to understand why Zaheer wanted to kill Korra.
>Where man's only allegiance is to himself, and those he loves.
The Avatar was pretty much a super world leader with the power to throttle the world in whichever way they chose. Looking at Zaheer's beliefs it's easy to understand why the Avatar is bad for the world and not only because they could easily ruin his plans.

Kind of out of nowhere, but was there any reference in Korra to Sokka's meteorite sword? I can't help but remember that it was mentioned somewhere, either in LoK or maybe in the comics?

nope
it's gone forever

though the official TLOK artwork for Team Aang has Sokka with a sheathed sword on his waist that you can say resembles it?

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How it was presented in the show was so shitty and reduced Zaheer's character.

>This character is actually really good for reasons I inferred, assumed, or pulled straight out my ass

Begone.

Well I don't think so, the B3 finale was one of the most memorable moments of TLOK. Having a villain that wanted to straight up murder the Avatar in the Avatar State was pretty much peak intensity and ultimately made Kuvira feel like a complete chump coming after.

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It damaged all his rhetoric that this was the conclusion to his story.

>Having a villain that wanted to straight up murder the Avatar in the Avatar State was pretty much peak intensity
See this is much of the problem. Is this badass? Sure. But this isn't exploring the characters philosophy. It is reducing his philosophy down.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=EaGmgXR9iFM
8:53 in. Straight from their mouths.

Korra apologists on life support.

>But this isn't exploring the characters philosophy. It is reducing his philosophy down.
I didn't see it as contradictory though and more like the inevitable conclusion to his "philosophy."

Before it AIRED. Legend of Korra book 1 was already completed by 2010, B2 wasn't finished until 2012 early 2013. Literally right after E;R talks about how Bryke wasn't sure there would be more while they were in B1 production though they were aware they could which I already said.

Did you miss the voice clip after that where Bryke said that nick basically told them that the first season wasn't all there was gonna be? Mini-series of 12?

Also how the hell does B1 being finished in 2010 and b2 in 2012 change this? If they knew they were getting more it shouldn't matter the gap between.

Yeah and if they had the foresight they would have changed their ending to include if/when they got more seasons, but they didn't they were fine with what they had. Bryke also talked about how B1 didn't have filler to them because they wrote it as a concise mini-series in mind and yes that is reflected in how resounding of a conclusion it has where everything is in a neat little bow Korra has her romantic partner everyone is saved she's completed her Avatar training yadayada. Looking at what they did next season with Raava they don't care about what ATLA said the Avatar State regardless so changing the way B1 ended was further unneeded.

>Book 1 didn't have filler

Nigga like 70% of the book was filler. Pro-bending was a huge part of it but amounted to nothing and was dumb.

Possibly. Damn it; I remembered it showing up, of all places, when Korra was looking for Toph as a background detail. I must have dreamed it.

>Pro-bending
It was an interesting element of world-building, but it really felt kind of like padding. I guess the most that came out of it was that it gave Korra a chance to meet her two best friends, but the series felt kind of aimless for a while. ATLA had a clear objective from the start and the characters had somewhere to go and something to do at the end of episode 2 (and you could argue that, being a two parter, it was one episode) while LoK needed a few more episodes to set out for a course of action. And that's extra weird because it had way less episodes than the Last Airbender, so it should have been more tightly written.

not to dear ol' Bryke
>And on this series because it's a tighter stretch of episodes–just 12 episodes–but Mike and I wrote all of them, there's really no filler. We told almost as much story as the first series packed into these 12.

It's pretty good. Season 3 is only a little worse than avatar season 2 and the beginning of season 4 is great. Season 1 is really good and really bad mixed together. Season 2 has a few good episodes and most aren't good.

The art and music is gorgeous and I'm mostly fine with the plotline. The problem arises when they pull a phantom menace and try to explain how the mystical superpowers work. The existence of more Yin Yang spirits aside from Tui and La is annoying, especially because they left the whole "balance" thing for general good vs evil.

Don't even get me started on how it would've basically been no trouble for Aang to die in the avatar state, just for Raava to reform in like 80 years and emerge from Vaatu again like normal during Harmonic Convergence. All Raava has to do is find another human and bond with them to get back to normal. Also, if the avatar state is just the combined knowledge and power of all previous avatars, why doesn't every avatar immediately know of Raava's presence upon activation? How do you miss half of your soul being an extradimensional alien?

The Air Nomads had a 100% bender population due to there highly spiritual nature. Similar reason for why the Earth Kingdom has the lowest ration of benders to non-benders, they are the least spiritual nation. Thing is, bending can skip generations, so Aang really has no excuse anyway.

This. Neat idea, falls flat on execution. Basically sums up the show in a nutshell.

Zaheer is easily one of my favorite parts of season 3. Some of the things he does with air makes it seem plausible that one old dude could kill a bunch of comet jacked firebenders back in season 1 of atla.

It can and it is.

pic related is a better follow-up in every way

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