I just realized that the X-Men animated series and the live action movies completely tarnished my perception of Cyclops when I was growing up, and I think I subconsciously avoided reading comics that prominently featured him because of that.
The cartoon and movies made him look sort of pathetic and whiny, but apparently this is not the case in the comics.
Tell me about Cyclops, Yea Forums. Is he a cool guy?
JEAN! JEAN! JEAN! JEAN! JEAAAAAAAAAN!!
Yeah, he's cooler in the comics.
He was kinda' lame by the virtue of being a stoic, no-nonsense leader amidst larger-than-life personalities like Wolverine and Nightcrawler.
They eventually made him Nu-Magneto. He basically became a self-insert beta power fantasy and thus very popular on Yea Forums.
He became a mega chad around the the time of New X-Men, from Astonishing all the way to Marvel Now, Cyclops stayed based.
Yep, I was going to mention the JEAAAAAAN thing in the OP. That's literally the first thing I associate Cyclops with. I'm 27 and started watching X-Men stuff when I was like 5, so I've spent most of my life just assuming that Cyclops is, in fact, a little crybaby bitch.
Basically the X-Men fanboys had two camps:
>The sociophobic weird unwashed kids, who hated the chads, preppies and teacher's pets from their school, and associated Scott with those people. They idolized Wolverine.
>The ostracized-by-most-of-the-class class nerds, teacher pets and do-gooders, who sticked to the rules, and hated the local chads, jocks and bullies, and associated Logan with those people. They idolized Cyclops.
Modern X-Men writers have grown up since then, and try moving away from the boring Wolvie vs Cyke conflicts, and thus also turn them into power fantasies (Logan getting all the bitches, Logan killing all X-Men and being an insane loner, Scott scoring with the hottest blonde and becoming god, Scott going on a nerd rage and becoming Magneto).
Comicbookgirl19, is that you? I agree tho
Fuck both of them. Storm was always the more interesting leader
This show is called, X-"MEN", bub. Not X-"sissies!"
Storm is THE most vanilla X-Men and is a fucking charisma black hole that sucks the energy out of every scene she's in. I've never got why people like her outside of the powerset.
Storm was a terrible team leader in practice. She works better as a mentor, like Charles.
Logan shouldn't ever be a leader because it doesn't suit him. He's more like a union rep.
>why would people love girl with the most character progression in the defenitive x-men run
who knows user, who knows
>"I hated Scott in the cartoon"
Bullies
I didn't say she was a good leader, but reading her questioning herself all the time or even giving up and running away during morlock massacre was entertaining as fuck
I SHALL MEET YOU AT THE MONORAIL
Why are comic book fans so obsessed with their high school years?
Ah, he was all right. I did like it when copped an attitude with the Professor at the end of the Phoenix Saga, though. Boy scout showin' the scrote.
Where was her character progression? She evolved from a nudist to a punk girl?
She had multiple character arks about accepting her emotions, admitting that there are cases where no-kill rule does not apply, learning to be a leader, accepting loss of her powers, dealing with her claustrophobia and moving from being Kitty's "mother" to "older sister". They all gradually changed her behaviour and she was fucking forcing it on the reader by constantly reminding all these events in her thought boxes.
Storm was shit, she coulnt even summon a storm without going into some nervous breakdown both in comics and tv. When editorial decided that they were gonna retire cyclops, they had her beat cyclops one on one to show that she was the natural choice to take over the lead role. Not even two years later, they gave up and brought back cyclops becuase storm leading the xmen was dull as fuck and every attemp to tell a story with her as the cool leader flopped. Heck, even at nu-marvel, when both cyclopes and wolverine was dead and it was the best opputunity to push her as the new face of the x-men, the writers did fuck all, and had her hand the leadership role to kitty.... think about that.......kitty.
By that definition, everyone of the x- men had the most progression. She was dull. This is why even with the 4 main characters gone, cyclopes, wolverine, jean, prof x, Kitty got the lead and not her. You would think she would be the next in line to inherit the X-men, but she's just not that interesting. She's a good concept of a character with nothing else going on.
Because development wise, they're the most formative years for people.
>comic book fans
This is true of most people
She was a leader for more than five years
>user asks how the character is the most evolved
>gets his answer with a list of multiple character arks, each changed the character
>mumbles something about logic and kitty
List me character arks of other x-men that affected their personality and maybe I'll admit I'm wrong
What age did you think the kids who bought X-Men and Teen Titans comics were?
>Most character progression
>Storm
You're literally in a fucking thread about Cyclops character progression. The man who went from Xavier to Magneto. Captain America to Black Panther.
>in defenitive x-men run
Learn to read. The post was about Claremont era
Do you not have any reading comprehension? Look at this thread, it is literally about a man who went from example student to militant leader. Fuck, you're retarded. Get your head out of storm's ass and go google rogue or gambit or kitty and see what they've been through and where they started and where they ended up.
Amost every single main X-men have had major progression. Sure they may also regress but that doesn't discount their story arcs. To suggest that Storm had the most when the likes of Magneto, Cyclopes and Wolverine exist is just plain head canon.
>Colossus
muh Russia muh Kitty, with a little Muh sister in the mix. His only progression was changing love interests and killing marauders
>Gambit
I won't even bother
>Kitty
Turned into tech wiz, got a little tougher after wolverine training
Hmm, i dunno user. But that's if we are talking about Claremont, which I originally mentioned and what you were too retarded to read. And yeah, want to know what biggest character moment of Scott in the definite, most popular, most well regarded x-men run was? leaving his wife and a kid. Now go masturbate to your zoomer Bendis garbage and discount Magneto
Thats the thing user! I was talking about Claremont run, where she was the most developed character. Wolverine got his moments in his solo, Magneto had one very good arc about joining x-men. But the thing is that Scott was not developed well at that time at all. Almost all his character was based on his relationship with Jean first and with Maggie second.
Because Scott is someone who excels in status quo, where he has everything under control.
Dur, I don't know anything beyond storm so I talk out of my ass.
>Storm
Muh pacifism, muh mohawk, my pacifism again.
See user, anyone can do what you do if they just want to sound like a tard.
C'mon man, you can't simply say, well i was only talking about this slice of pie when you're being corrected. The truth is that despite Storm having some pretty good story arc and character progression, the same can be said for most of the X-men. 75 years is a long time, and at times one character may have focused more than another based on who is writing at the time. Writers are also character fags. The thing is, certain characters like cyclopes and wolverine are the main characters for the X- line. They're part of the reason why the story moves forward and so they'll always steal more than their share of story arc regardless of wether we like our dislike them.
>Tell me about Cyclops, Yea Forums. Is he a cool guy?
He abandoned his wife and newborn son the second he saw that his old girlfriend was actually alive so he could go fuck around with his old buddies on the other side of the continent. Nah, he's a deadbeat piece of shit. I'm amazed this isn't brought up constantly to him.
Cyclops' biggest problem was caring about Jean Grey at all.
its almost like being a teenager is a formative life experience and most teenagers in 1st world countries go to high school.
ever since i hit 20 i stopped caring about high school times
I didn't like him in the comics. Always thought he was a cop faggot.
Na, that's all in your head or you read some tumblr post. Protip: don't get your comics from tumblr.
He never left his wife. He was told jean was alive. He had to see for himself. It was his wife who shut the door on their marriage. He actually went to great lengths to get his son back. Now is he a cheating bastard, yes he is. But i wouldnt have been able to resist Emma either, especially if she was my therapist.
>Not liking one of the best mutants of all time
>Being this much of a homosexual
I didn't like either. I liked the more interesting "caster-based" mutants like Storm and Nightcrawler.
I started the X- men by watching the TAS cartoon. Gotta admit i hated cyclopes too. I didn't give a shit about morph, but wolverine did and he was my second favorite character behind Gambit. Then i got older and decided to read actually comics. I realised, cyclopes is actually the cool guy and now he's my favorite xman.
In the context of the Marvel Universe, Scott's is a cool guy in that he tries to be a boy scout and leader to the team. He makes the tough choices and strategies that nobody wants to make.
A lot of people tend to hate that the Marvel Heroes except for Captain America, Cyclops, and Spiderman are all assholes who fight amongst each other over every minor infraction.
>Cyclops is, in fact, a little crybaby bitch.
you weren't wrong.
For fucks sake it's Cyclops not cyclopes. This whole thread is just bunch of samefags repeating themseves over and over again. At least there is a second Stormfag here
>the best mutant of all time.
Marvel tried to make her interesting by marrying her of to black panther. It didn't work. New Xbooks coming out with various cast and expectations, she's relegated to second fiddle behind a Kitty Pride pirate book.
Bwahahahaha!!!!
You are such a retarded faggot.
>everyone posting about the character I don't like is a samefag.
>makes multiple comments about Storm and tries to tell us that it's two people.
What a seething Stormfag.
Thanks, i don't know you cared.
>He basically became a self-insert beta power fantasy and thus very popular on Yea Forums
>He became a mega chad...Cyclops stayed based
The fact that these two posts were right after the other amuses me greatly.
I don't understand the X-Men at all. I feel like they work better as a solid ensemble with a good line than individuals. Storm marrying Black Panther or being Lady Thor just doesn't work because she has no personal connection with either of those two heroes
Read 90s X-Men. Ignore anything else.
just reply to all Storm posts and i'll prove you wrong
That's exactly how they work.
Though Wolverine managed to build a whole identity off a single limited series.
I don't get it. Do zoomers hate Storm or something?
A lot of people just hate how Marvel writes Storm as this supremely powerful black woman who can do anything. She's a good X-Men, but just doesn't have any connections to other heroes. Black Panther treats her more like a trophy wife than anything thanks to Hudlin writing the series.
how low have we fallen
Nobody cares. The X-Men died before 2000. Fucking zoomers can zoom right to hell.
Yeah Storm has been pretty boring for a while now. No hate against the BP relationship, that was the most interesting thing they did with her in the last 25 years. Claremont claiming her in 2001 basically ruined the character for the modern era.
Cyclops, on the other hand, has been consistently good for literally decades. What other X-Man can you say that about? Jamie Madrox, maybe?
Hudlin has been gone for 10 years, get over it. You don't see people still bitching about JMS in Spider-Man threads.
People will get over Bendis before they get over Hudlin
I've been reading through X-men from the start and the only X-men I've really loved are Nightcrawler, Banshee, Rogue and Colossus. The New Mutants are sort of starting to grow on me but it's taken a while. (I'm in the mid-late 80s now, also pre-Giant Sized was really fucking hard for me because of this).
Is it worth reading anything after Claremont steps down? I get the feeling I might fucking hate all of it. I was considering going to a spinoff series he did many years later that continued what he had planned that I heard about, but I heard that was shit too.
Hudlin and Coates keep poisoning Black Superheroes like Black Panther by thinking T'challa should use his vast resources to lift African Americans out of Poverty or Wakanda should be a Utopia.
I hate how Claremont scrapped Nightcrawler's adventures in Europe. And how he was a "team's medic" out of fucking nowhere
Did you actually read the Coates run?
T'Challa was nearly dethroned through a violent revolution that turned Wakanda into a Republic. Women were being kidnapped and raped en masse. 70% of the problems they faced came from other Wakandans How is that a utopia? How is that any different than early Priest or McGregor?