Alan Moore “Lost Girls” interview

he is completely right, paintings of nude children has existed through all human history, plenty of it is "religious". And a painting is not exploiting a person at all. FICTION IS NOT REALITY!

He also said wider varieties of porn stops the murder of children, which is bollocks

Also, the reason people don’t give a shit about kids getting blown up in war zones is because those war zones aren’t near them, and the kids aren’t the same race, don’t live in the same country, don’t follow the same religion, and don’t speak the same language. They’re completely removed from the general western public.

Kids that get murdered in the West get a shitload of attention. Moore is just being a dumbass again

actually there is some scientific evidence that allowing people with sexual deviancies to view the material prevents them from acting on them. Maybe he is talking about cartoons filling that void rather than real people.

Kids murdered in the west get plenty of media attention, but not reeeaal attention. Just look all the kids that are murdered daily in american schools. Sure, there's plenty of media circus around the shootings, but people aren't even bothered enough to change the fucking gun laws. In this country, we care more about guns than we care about children.

To be honest, with a mess of a face like that, I didn't expect any takes beyond lukewarm

Madeline Mccann was taken and is almost certainly dead and they STILL bang on about it over a decade later

What’s wrong with Alan Moore’s face?

Either an award winning, highly influential author of world renown speaks mostly in complete gibberish or user 109168740 is a subnormal reader lacking in vocabulary and comprehension.

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>rich white kids get extra media coverage
gee what are the odds

>it only counts as attention if my personal political views get enforced on the back of it

Nope

>highly influential author of world renown
his sphere of influence is limited to fat neckbeards that self-insert as Rorscharch and masturbate to the thought of the Comedian raping Sally Jupiter

seethe

Alan Moore hates people who like the character of Rorachach though, because he’s a smelly right wing virgin.

>Moore hates fans who like the one character who was right and had moral convictions to the end

Sounds about right from that contrarian fuckhead

>so, children are being murdered, should we do something?
>nah, price of freedom
>k
yeah, sure this country cares a whole fucking lot about children

He also punished a paedo tho so...

>Emotion driven babby repeating propaganda
Here's a hint babby, things the news doesn't report still happen

>"Thoughts and prayers" count as attention
It really doesn't. You sweep it under the rug. Occasionally you'll call a mass shooting at a school a big fake event and construct a conspiracy theory around it.

Do you also think European countries should ban mosques after Islamic terror attacks happen?

I do actually

Freedom over 'safety' is what makes America great

Europe actually has fewer terror deaths now than it used to, while the number of American mass shootings keeps going up. It's almost like whatever Europe doing is working, while "thoughts and prayers" does not.

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Alan Moore thinks that’s racist

That graph conveniently doesn't show any of the massacres since 2015

Did Moore ever say anything about Islam? I mean, he's a filthy communist and all, but I have a gut feeling that he's not a fan of the religion of peace.

Because it's still fucking nothing compared to the 70s and 80s. Lightning kills more people here than the terrorists.

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It has fewer deaths from terrorism because they claim less of the deaths as acts of terrorism. Back in the 00s if a muslim ran over people with a truck he was a terrorist murdered, today if he does the same he's a victim of society, if they even make his identity public.

>this is what insane people actually believe
I live here, dumbo. Whenever something terrorist-ish happens anywhere in the EU, we have photos of the perpetrators plastered in every news broadcast for weeks and both the talking heads and the politicians won't stop talking about it.

People really have no idea how fucked the courts are in Europe for Muslim terrorists now

Check out this story about a Muslim attempting to kill people with a sword outside Buckingham palace

mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/uber-driver-caught-samurai-sword-13756182

Quick TLDR of the court case

>Shouted 'Allahu Akbar' during the incident
>Later found to have multiple social media profiles praising the Westminster attacker and ISIS as well as a long search history looking at beheadings and Jihadi John
>Left a suicide note urging his family to "struggle against the enemies of Allah"

Then he was strangely cleared by a jury of his peers at the old bailey...

12 months later, he’s back in court for another terror offence.

mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/brother-sister-appear-court-over-18323541

Oh, and just for a bonus, his hijabi wearing sister was his main advocate in the first case... and she’s getting charges as well for terror offences in the second case

Yet it still kills people.
And unlike gun deaths, they're not just substitutes, they're deaths that wouldn't have otherwise occurred.

Lack of correlation between gun control and homicide rate? Miss me with that.
Lack of drop on homicide rate before and after gun bans in other countries? lmao who cares.
Propoganda that appeals to emotions? BAN EVERYTHING.

I mean these people are so stupid the term "gun deaths/homicides" or "gun violence" as a statistical measure was coined. A term that assumes any reasonable person has had the exchange "Oh my god did you hear? Nancy's son was killed last night." "Oh my god was he shot???" "No he was stabbed to death" "Oh thank god".
Look at what does correlate strongly with homicide rates. It ain't guns I'll tell you that.

One life is a tragedy. A hundred people is statistics.

Memestermaster2000, I salute you xD!

Sounds like just a normal nutjob who happens to be a Muslim. Not an actual terrorist.

Yikes. I think I see what he's trying to say. I think it's what I argue too. Fictional stories are not real crime. Photos would show actual crimes against actual children. A drawing of some character having sex? It's not real. It's a fantasy. No actual human is being harmed in its production.

I don't know why the fuck Moore wouldn't have lead with that very important demarcation.

A comic book drawing is not real.

Then you get into how allowing fantasy can, in theory, ease away actual crimes. And then how that theory is more plausible than the fear mongering idea that cartoon characters cause crime.

This very week we have a rabid news media saying that the president's angry Tweets caused someone to shoot a bunch of people. (Meanwhile conveniently ignoring that another shooter who was an avid Democrat supporter who posted that he wanted Trump supporters dead.) Then our idiot president responded that he thought violent videogames could be responsible for the shooting as if we're somehow in 1999. Surprised he didn't star complaining how Marylin Manson music drove the kid to murder.

Violent video games don't cause crimes. Sexual images of cartoon characters don't cause crimes. Actual criminals abusing actual people create crime. We need to stop worrying about cartoons and video games and focus on actual criminals.

Well. Video games that sell loot boxes to underage kids with no clear warning to them and parents... okay.. maybe there is some criminal activity there. Just like how in comics.. Dang. If kids actually bought comics, maybe I could have some comparison to something in comics.

You can't use sectarian language like that. He's not Muslim. He's Asian. Calling him a Muslim is racist hate speech. You could be arrested for that, mate.

Has he ever commented on using Wendy Darling despite her not being in public domain?

>On 23 June 2006, officials for Great Ormond Street Hospital—which was given the copyright to Peter Pan by J. M. Barrie in 1929—asserted that Moore would need their permission to publish the book in the UK and Europe. Moore indicated that he would not be seeking their licence, claiming that he had not expected his work to be "banned" and that the hospital only holds the rights to performances of the original play, not to the individual characters. On 11 October 2006, Top Shelf signed an agreement with GOSH that did not concede copyright infringement, but delayed publication of Lost Girls in the UK until after the copyright lapsed at the end of 2007.

Wow. After all his grandstanding about “muh intellectual rights” he shit all over previously established ones

All Muslims are nutjobs.

Nothing new, he whines when people mess with his beloved "creations", but those "creations" are pretty much edgy fanfics of existing stuff already. With poor characterization, too.

Yes, moore, nothing bad ever happens to kids in Japan, I bet.

>Yes, moore, nothing bad ever happens to kids in Japan, I bet.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
Reported rape rate in Japan is 1.2 per 100,000. In the US it's 28.6 per 100,000. Not sure about child-specific numbers but I'm willing to bet they have less of that than us too.

In the US, rape is whatever the woman wants it to be. If she has sex with someone and regrets later, it's rape

Cute, cute, but the point is there is a distinction between mental illness and terrorism. That's what you say whenever a white boy goes on a mass shooting spree. "Lone wolf" and all that.

What does it matter? The issue is always going to be preventable deaths. It's not like they're a choice, The US was a white country till recently.

>The damning, daunting fact is this: As of 2016, there were well over 100,000 cases of child abuse reported in Japan, up 100 times since 1990. In the US, that number is something like 67,000. And before Yua, there was Riku and Takumu and many other children of pre-school age who had been beaten, abused, starved or outrightly murdered by their parents. In spite of the government’s pledge to build more day care facilities and put families first, Japan is a place that’s not very nice to kids.

>Reported rape rate
I'd say "reported" is a key wording here.

And until recently, iirc, they didn't even have actual proper legislation banning hitting your child.

Wasn't it one of those franco-belgian countries that had the massive child sex trafficking scandal?

>Sure, there's plenty of media circus around the shootings, but people aren't even bothered enough to change the fucking gun laws
Because changing the gun laws won't stop shootings you dumb fuck.

Yeah, the only cure is more guns, less regulations!

That is for all child abuse not just sexual abuse, it doesn't really tell us anything relevant. Asians are stricter with their kids, this is known, I guess sometimes that crosses into abuse. You'd have to find the rate of child sexual abuse specifically for it to be meaningful.

Are you suggesting that American girls are lying, or that Japanese girls aren't reporting? Either way, we work with what statistics we have, it's impossible to be sure how many rape reports are false or how many actual rapes go unreported. Really seems like you're nitpicking when I'm just going by the best data we have.

Based.

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>Sure, there's plenty of media circus around the shootings, but people aren't even bothered enough to change the fucking gun laws.
Holy fuck lmao "why don't you let the lugenpresse dictate ur laws"

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux#Allegations_of_cover-up

At least they had that. Britain """accidentally""" deletes a database of paedo ring testimonies and nobody even bings a bong.

Again, there's no correlation between your gun regulations and homicides. Your cheap attack slogans only work on brain addled simpletons who will believe whatever feels right, no matter how much you repeat them.

I mean, he's not wrong, especially on his last point. You can write snuff porn, bestiality, include graphic scenes of child torture, whatever, but the second an adult grabs an underage girl's ass, it's all over. It's an insane divide, and it's hypocritical as hell (and it doesn't reflect the law in a lot of countries).

Also, he's literally right about the Victorian period aggressively redefining youth in the West. Say they 'invented children' is hyperbole, but the way we have weird obsessions with the dividing lines as a whole culture was absolutely Victorian.

Well I can think of other things that were aggressively redefined recently, is there a point to your post? If X makes Y redundant than X makes Z reduntant.

>You can write snuff porn, bestiality, include graphic scenes of child torture, whatever, but the second an adult grabs an underage girl's ass, it's all over.
Agreed, they should keep a closer eye on those writers and consumers.

>He was a Muslim and a terrorist, but he's not a Muslim terrorist you bigot!

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>while the number of American mass shootings keeps going up
It's almost as if there were a certain population of Americans, concentrated in urban areas, who keep getting more and more violent.

Unless an "asian youth" does it, then it goes down the memory hole.

so you think rape and murder increased around 2014 when sjws started to censor comics? definitely does seem like it in my country

you mean rotherham in the uk?

cool, now compare number of crimes committed by race

S-social constuct hehe sorry amigo

>but they also have far less children raped and strangled and thrown into a canal,
What does he mean, per citizin or in general? The UK has 67 million and netherlands has 17 million citizins. Its statistical normal that they have a difference in crimes.

>What the FUCK did he mean by this? Seriously

He's just talking about how America loves violence but are sexual prudes and something about how loli porn is ok...

I really dont know man my brain is screaming to hit the eject button and stop thinking about it so I'm out have fun with this.

There is a distinction, yes. Just like being a white christian guy who shoots up a school doesn't automatically make him a right wing extremist, unless he happens to beforehand publish an online manifesto explaining his motivations.

I'm pretty sure we live in the most peaceful time in human history

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>Shouted 'Allahu Akbar' during the incident
>Later found to have multiple social media profiles praising the Westminster attacker and ISIS as well as a long search history looking at beheadings and Jihadi John
>Left a suicide note urging his family to "struggle against the enemies of Allah"
"lol! It wasn't islamic terrorism"

>I'm pretty sure we live in the most peaceful time in human history
[Citation Needed]

We've been on a downward trend for quite a while, mainly due to tv and vidya and especially the internet in my opinion, stands to reason if you spend more time dicking around with electronics you'll murder less, attitudes aside, I know the idea is somewhat common but I haven't done that much research so I couldn't be 100% on it. I definitely wouldn't be surprised if we've seen an uptick in the last couple years though because my theory would have "completed" its effects by a few years ago at saturation.

He was radicalized, sure, but that doesn't make you automatically a terrorist. And considering how he told in court that he wanted to be killed by cops and just ran around with a sword, and how bizarre the entire debacle was, it sounds like the guy is just nuts. So it's no wonder they acquitted him on that account, he didn't meet the necessary criteria for terrorism.

He means drawn Loli is not pedo.

It worked for Australia...

What he did was a book definition of Islamist terrorism.

Reminder : Alan Moore thought having his GF move in with him and his wife was a good idea. Except they fell in love and left him
And now he's all alone writing erotic fan fiction using public domain characters

>change the gun laws
Almost nobody who says this shit can actually tell you what it takes to get a gun in their state, what we should specifically change the gun laws to, and how that would actually cut back on kind of planned out fairly sparse killings the media has them obsessing over. They're just being breadcumbed along the anti-gun path until they inevitably reach the "What do you really need a gun for, anyway?" mentality.

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Terrorists try to kill people, they don't sit in their car and wait for the police to arrest them

Dude's pretty based. Drawings/and or lines of paper don't have a age. What would you even judge them to be 'children' by anyway? Breast size? Waist size? Height? Canon age?
>Yes, moore, nothing bad ever happens to kids in Japan, I bet.
Lmao, hit a nerve?

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>Europe actually has fewer terror deaths now than it used to, while the number of American mass shootings keeps going up.
Police in several major European cities have been busted for smudging the definition of "terrorism" in their statistics to prevent discrimination against immigrants. Meanwhile, a "mass shooting" in America is defined as any shooting in which there are 4 or more victims, which on any given year is always overwhelmingly perpetrated by black/hispanic shooters against members of their own race and almost never by the pasty white kid with an AR, indiscriminately killing strangers the way you're probably picturing like the braindead follower you are. "Mass shooting" statistics might as well be propaganda against letting minorities own guns, and it's fucking hilarious that the people who throw them around don't even know it. When there are certain minority groups who have a problem with guns that most other groups in your country don't have, your country doesn't have a gun problem. It has a problem within the minority group. Maybe you should start there.

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Thanks for the unfounded /pol/ propaganda. "Nuh uh they don't have less terrorirsm there's just a giant conspiracy to redefine terrorism just to make things unsafe!! Please read this Breitbart article to learn more!"

Dunno about the rest of the world, but crime in the US has been on a downward trend since the 70's.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

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>Lmao, hit a nerve?
Sure looks like, your kind gets defensive of your shit easily.

>t. Carlos

>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

That charts cut out quite a while ago one of them is 2003, more recent stats here my good man.data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5?locations=IE&name_desc=true
Still think charts are cool?

Child labor was a big discussion in the XIX century, you were expected to help your family the moment you have the strength to carry a bucket of water for most of human history unless you were born in a privileged class.

>FBI statistics are /pol/ propaganda
If you're going to try to act like a smug bitch, you should try actually being correct first.

Exactly, his reasoning doesn't hold up in the slightest. There are plenty of logical reasons we have the line we do. Some of them are cultural, but with good reason, for example, due to the education/employment system, young people are generally forced into codependancy in some form due to the system we live in being built around that, which would make any relationship with a self sufficient adult inherently predatory. You could argue that plenty of people don't shake that codependancy even into their 20s but that's not state enforced. In my country at least the minimum wage is lower until the age of the majority, and that's just the state, the professional world is built around a certain age.

He's on about news censorship in European countries I'd say lad but they've been caught in the act plenty of times and some places have even banned racial descriptions of criminals/logging crimes by demographic and the like so he's still being a petulant child but he's the one who'll suffer for substituting actual reality with the reality inside his head sooner or later. You can talk about tolerance till the cows come home but fact remains people who stay outta Detroit live longer.

>And considering how he told in court that he wanted to be killed by cops and just ran around with a sword
Yes, you retard, that's what Islamic terrorism is all about.
Sort of like how Christians have confession, where you get a free pass to heaven if you say you're sorry, in Islam you have Jihad, where you automatically get your 72 rape slaves in the afterlife if you die fighting "infidels".

>ome places have even banned racial descriptions of criminals/logging crimes by demographic
That always boggled my mind. Like, what do they do when they're searching for a certain criminal?
>Please be on the lookout for... a man. We're not allowed to tell you his name, or his ethnicity, or even what he looks like, but it's definitely a man. So yeah, be sure to contact the authorities immediately if you see a cis male.

That's not so bad... yet. Soon that won't be an option because you might get sued for "misgendering".

I didn't say that that certain races were inferior, did I you drooling mongoloid? I explicitly said that there were problems within those groups that needed to be resolved. YOU ARE NOT A GOOD PERSON FOR IGNORING THINGS THAT MAKE YOU UNCOMFORTABLE.

What part of this am I supposed to disagree with?

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Also, yes. In Europe there is a very open, unashamed attempt to smudge statistics to prevent discrimination.
independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/swedish-police-are-not-allowed-to-give-descriptions-of-alleged-criminals-so-as-not-to-sound-racist-a6810311.html

Everything about Lost Girls was where I felt respecting Alan Moore should have stopped. Everything he'd ever said about creator control over characters was revealed to be self serving bollocks, because I highly doubt Caroll, Barrie, or Baum wanted their stories read as sexual allegories.

they are literally committing genocide in parts of the middle east, asia and africa right now

in europe crime as a whole as decreased by violent crime like rape, murder and extreme assault have all gone up since 2014

Even Lovecraft would probably be pissed.

It uncovered the fact that Moore is lacking the creativity to come up with something completly original. Most and best books of him are "what if character x is different and y".
And if you consider that he worked and was friend with veitch, and veitch works really are similar with watchmen, it looks like that veitch helped moore very much there.
Its seems Moore needs a good sparing partner.

Sorry I meant America but forgot to clarify.

I know that you were trying to turn me off this dude with this thread OP, but actually reading the interview, Moore has a lot of interesting shit to say. This is fun to read.

The Walmart that McLovin shot actually sold guns like they were brooms.

Well, he's certainly not Christian or Jewish or Atheist or Buddhist or Shintoist, etc.

That is also true. The number of purely Moore-created characters over his 40+ year career is remarkably thin. I think the most long lasting/popular is probably Constantine, and even he is "What if Sting was a wizard"

But he's right, they own copyright on the JM Barrie book and play, they don't own copyright on for example

"Alice crashed through the window of user's room and beat him to death with a tire iron, while comparing his manhood disparagingly to that of Peter Pan"

Their copyright expired a year after he published his nonce book

not my point anyway

I've spoken to David Lloyd and Veitch and they both said the same thing about Moore, if you do something he doesn't agree with? Even if it has nothing to do with him? You're out of his life.