Imagine how much better Cap wielding Mjolnir in Engame would have been if they hadn't already done it in Age of Ultron...

I don't give a fuck you retard

Vision never did anything with the hammer besides pick it up and smack a robot. The moment Cap had the hammer he had instant knowledge of its capabilities and how to access its power. I think this says more about how Vision can only lift the hammer because he's not a real living thing rather than him being able to lift the hammer because of his worth.

Thor's first movie already established you can't use machinery to lift Mjolnir, they couldn't move it with a truck, or any of SHIELD's equipment. How can you watch and walk away believing Vision was just an object?

>Imagine how much better Jane wielding Mjolnir in Thor 4 would have been if they hadn't already done it in Endgame with another character and used it as fan-service. Fuck you, Russos

Cap lifting Mjolnir wouldn't have been so satisfying without AoU, It's AoU that first sets up that lifting Mjolnir is something very special, that not even (most of) the Avengers are noble enough to do.

>Imagine a live action adaptation not being 100% faithful to all of the minutiae and trivia of the source material
>Imagine fans reeeeeeeing about the changes because they think Cap lifting Mjolnir was a very important moment in the comics
>Imagine fans having never actually read the comics where it happens and not knowing it was a fan-service moment that was irrelevant to the story
>Imagine the MCU giving them what they were reeeeeeeing for and making it more important and meaningful than it ever was in the comics
>Imagine them still not being happy
>Imagine them seething with hatred for Vision, a character whose fans have had a raw deal after AoU
You got everything you wanted and more, stop being a sore winner.

It didn’t didnt diminish the quality at all. When Cap did it it was fucking awesome

they have been ignoring the first movie for a while now. PLUS those were people using objects to purposely take the hammer for themselves. Tony uses a gauntlet to try and lift it and it also doesn't work either. So yes you are right that YOU cannot USE machinery to lift Mjolnir but we clearly saw self operated machinery lift Mjolnir

Vision lifting the hammer was a quick way to establish that the new robot was trustworthy, it advanced the narrative of the film. Cap lifting it was merely a fanservice moment.

>we clearly saw self operated machinery lift Mjolnir
How do you watch these movies and walk away believing Vision was just a machine? Are you seriously choosing to believe Whedon's elevator joke over what Thor says, over the narrative and character arc?

It wasn’t a joke. It was a quick way to show that Vision was a good guy without wasting loads of screen time. He enters the film pretty late and they had a climax to get to. You don’t want to waste loads of time with the Avengers arguing over if he is a good guy or not but you can’t just have them believe him or they look like idiots. He lifts the hammer and they know he is good. It’s that simple.

I think I justified him picking up the hammer because he had the soul stone in his dome piece

I agree

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I'm simply telling you what we saw in the movie. Sure he was a highly advanced AI with a infinity stone, but he still never actually had a "soul" as far as we know so technically yes, he is machinery.

Vision deserves a win for the shit he has to put up with in CW, IW, and probably Wandavision.

Because trucks and machinery are operated by people with the inherent purpose of lifting the hammer.

Nobody is "Behind the wheel" of Vision

Same
Cap lifting it was the best part of Endgame for me

>tfw meatshits are still arguing and pretending they know everything about us

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Despite the Soul Stone being a thing, or people being killed and resurrected in IW/Endgame, the MCU has not explored big existential questions of whether souls are real or if there's an afterlife. Regardless of that, Vision and Ultron are clearly presented as sentient, sapient life, and IW spends a lot of Vision's time on screen, and time when others talk about him making it clear he's far more than the sum of his parts, and more than just a machine. The only character to treat him like that was Thanos, who was the villain.

Based.

Vision was the physical embodiment of the whole existential moral question raised by Ultron, whether the Avengers were heroes or part of the problem. Vision was built by Ultron to be the form of his Luciferian inverted morality concept of saving the world by destroying it. Through the Avengers influences, they proved Ultron wrong and made Vision into an idealistic and truly heroic being, or Vision just proved their idea of natural altruism right by being good on his own. Either way, Visions existence is supposed to prove that heroism is real and worthwhile

Its just saw how they nerfed the fuck out of him after AoU (civil war gets a pass because he was holding back but christ, him and wanda should have been able to beat thanos by themselves if they were consistent with their power)

Yeah, I agree. The fact they nearly lost to Corvus and Proxima was total bs, especially when Proxima gets steamrolled by Wanda later on.

could babby litf hammar?

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If he was meant to be just a machine, the other Avengers wouldn't treat him like a person. His story wouldn't be about learning to understand humanity and emotion, or having to choose between love and duty. Infinity War wouldn't have people considering him a life worth protecting.
You're choosing to miss the point of Vision as a character just so you can pretend his lifting Mjolnir 'doesn't count'.

and wanda holding off Thanos with one hand in IW and sending him flying in endgame. they really screwed the power of those two over just to have thanos win

>can move mjolnir
>doesn't gain the powers of thor
>is a newborn consciousness that hasn't had time for unworthiness
>probably can't lift the hammer at all after civil war
I'm gonna call a newborn with adult intelligence a fluke that slipped through Odin's magic.
From the real world perspective, it's definitely Whedon needing a way for everyone to trust this new Ultron creation as an Avenger immediately and this was the easiest way to do that. Thor even uses the hammer justification for letting Vision keep the mind stone. Really, Thor should have just said "we got too many stones in our hiding spots in space, you guys are gonna have to hold onto this one I guess."
>thor's aou vision showed him destroying asgard with lightning
>luckily paid off
>thor says they need vision because something something the stones are being gathered
>vision helps beat ultron, but that has little to do with the stone
>vision only delays wanda destroying the stone, not that it really mattered
>vision only made things harder during civil war
I guess giving the stone to a phasing robot man you think is worthy of your hammer seems like a pretty good defense mechanism.

>Cap lifting it was merely a fanservice moment.
it helped Cap keep up with nanomachines Ironman and Stormbringer potential unlocked Thor so we could have the big three fight Thanos for a bit

>So yes you are right that YOU cannot USE machinery to lift Mjolnir but we clearly saw self operated machinery lift Mjolnir
How is pressing the up button in an elevator different from pressing the up button on a crane, you fucking retard?

same

There's a very clear difference between what Vision did, and what Cap did.
Vision HELD Mjolnir". Cap WEILDED Mjolnir.

Dunno, ask wheton and the russos, i'm just trying to rationalize it. If it were up to me, Vision wouldn't have touched the damn thing at all.

Vision wielding Mjolnir actually rules

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Maybe I missed a scene in Age of Ultron, but I'm pretty sure the whole "an elevator could lift mjolnir" was literally just a joke, not an actual explanation for why Vision could lift it.
They didn't actually show an elevator being able to lift the hammer

It's all we have to go on unless you just wanna say mjolnir is retarded and every other person is worthy

Or maybe Vision was just worthy and you're a fag

define being worthy

Being able to lift Mjolnir

That means literally nothing

It means more than a retarded headcanon that has already been directly contradicted by the films