So wait! hold the fuck up! Strange said there was only ONE universe where they are winners...

Thanos being dead doesn't make them winners. It's the whole point of the movie, Did you even fucking watch it?

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strange is only viewing the future from when they are on titan. he's not rewinding and looking at alternates, most likely because that would cause bad time shit to happen like destroying the entire universe. sure, there's an alternate timeline where thanos is dead, but only because he came to a different timeline, and without them doing the time heist thanos wouldn't have a reason to jump to the alternate timeline

>So you're telling me that you couldn't find the scenario where we defeat Thanos and everybody survives?
>Look, what do you expect from me?

Is there a universe that Thanos is defeated in a high stakes game of basketball?

There is another timeline where Thanos is dead already and Dr. Strange didn't have to look for ways to defeat Thanos.

>Yet there are two victories right next to each other.
And fyI Faggots there are at total of 14million 605 outcomes. So you are say if he looked 2 seconds longer he would see two wins right? It's stupid and you fucking know it. Plus he said "there was NO other way." Which causes another problem.

Damn...

>Total
There is no "total", you moron. What part of INFINITE POSSIBILITIES AND REALITIES don't you understand? 14 million is a drop in the bucket. He's lucky he found one that worked the way he wanted. Because the criteria was
>Thanos is defeated
>Stones are no longer on the table to be exploited
>Minimal casualties
So with all that in mind, there's a lot to sift through

We don't know how long it took for him to check all those realities. From his perspective he might have been at it for years.

Someone should edit the hand so Check em

Thanos dead does not equal winning. This was the only scenario where he died AND everyone came back

You are dumb and I bet anyone can tell within 4-5 minutes of meeting you.

There's a Universe where Peter gets the gauntlet off and dies wishing Thanos to dust. The rest of them die in space.

>tony looks over to me
>do nothing
>lose
>hmm this time I'll hold my finger up knowingly
>win
>THAT'S IT, THIS MUST BE THE ONLY WAY
Brilliant

Did Strange actually live through the realities that he saw, or can he just watch them at super speed? Seems like something that would take a long time regardless

So why did Dr. Strange tell Iron Man "if he tells him what's going to happen, it won't happen"...and yet by doing this gesture, he is telling Iron Man it is the "winning" timeline, basically telling him what's going to happen

>But there are TWO universes where Thanos is dead.
Yeah, about that. Let's look at how the 2014 timeline turns out.

>Peter was knocked out on Morag and Gamora is gone, the Guardians of the Galaxy don't form
>Ronan probably gains the Power Stone after Steve returns it, Xandar gets destroyed
>Ego activates the seedlings, and with no one to stop him, numerous worlds are destroyed including Earth

2014 timeline is fucked.

They returned the stones to the moment they were taken to avoid this

fpbp

Are you serious? Maybe talk to someone smarter and have it explained to you.

uhhh that was in the past

Well the GotG story still would have gone rather differently considering Gamora, and by extension Thanos and Nebula, are gone. The guardians may still meet up, but they won't have the moral center that gets them to do the right thing, chances are they'll try to hock the stone for as much money as they can get.

Also Loki is somewhere with the tesseract (though I assume he'll be the focus of the Loki tv show maybe? Gives an excuse to undo all the character growth he received that turned him into a heroic character.)

It's possible that most scenarios he saw were just them dying sooner/later than usual or in different ways, or not even happening at all. His entire plan did rely on a fucking rat.

the branched path for that timeline had already happened in the past and they missed it

So there's a universe where they rape thanos right?
Like he's beaten and they just take turns ruining him over and over

He spent thousands of years bargaining with Dormammu. Living millions of existences is nothing for him.

>what the fuck is he pointing at?
>looks up, gets stomped

Its weird that he's won multiple times by 'brute forcing' all the probabilities since most times he's shown to be rather impatient.

>a universe where thanos convinced the avengers that his way was the only way
Nice

He doesnt tell him so that everything sets up as it's needed. Only at the right moment was Tony to know.

why are you fagggots having legit rages at this shit? talk about needing sex.

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thats the universe thanos decided to turn into a fucking.

Thanos probably had tons of ways to cause devastation over the entire galaxy, but none of them were his pure 50/50 and he was anal about the method.

Whoever he left behind in the other galaxy probably just activated their "Fuck Everything" device

The Barkley Shut Up and Jam Gaiden verse. The Space Jam verse came close but Taz fouled out by breaking the rim.

H-hello?

Is this referencing a specific post, it's ringing a bell

Not an argument cunt. Fuck off. The plot makes no sense. So stop being a desperate mouth breather coming to save it.

Not an argument shithead. This is what the movie did and said. Stop adding your "headcanon" to write the movie.

>Based Strange finding the one universe where they defeat Thanos and save the universe AND Tony stark dies

That's for leaning on the Cauldron of the Cosmos you fuck.

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The argument is that there are infinite realities but you can't seem to wrap your mind around that dumbass. He saw 1 in 14 million. There's a lot more he didn't see. You're too dumb to talk too.

>yfw he made sure to find an universe where Tony Stark explicitly sacrifices himself just so he could be the only one in the MCU with awesome facial hair
Absolute madman I'm telling you.

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Where in the movie did it say that faggot?
Oh wait...That's your autistic headcanon.

That's how infinite timelines work faggot. He can't check them all because they're infinite. It means it doesn't end. Maybe have someone explain it to you.

Once you start to consider the snap could've taken different people (different combinations of the Pyms), that the rat doesn't activate the quantum tunnel at all, or that Scott is pulled out of the quantum realm many more years, decades maybe, you can definitely see how the "million possibilities" thing happen. You don't need "headcanon" for that because it's all butterfly effect from the possibilities that are triggered by pivotal events. But I think you're not even considering that stuff and are ignoring the entire point of the movie.

>Literally one of the first things that Strange learns in his movie are that there are an infinite number of realities
>WhErE DiD IT SAy ThAT

Because telling him far ahead would alter his decisions prior to that point. Telling him just before wouldn't.

Shit even your initial argument of 2 winning universes doesn't make sense since 1 of them was in the PAST and was made by someone else in the future. Considering they're not in that timeline currently then obviously he's talking about the one in the future. Anybody who's not braindead can see that you nincompoop.

If someone tells you that you're gonna die at the start of a fight then you're probably gonna hesitate and be unsure for the rest of the fight but if someone says you're gonna die when it looks like everything is about to go to shit then you kind of just accept it and go for it

>Peter was knocked out on Morag and Gamora is gone, the Guardians of the Galaxy don't form
Yeah that sucks
>>Ronan probably gains the Power Stone after Steve returns it, Xandar gets destroyed
Doubtful, Ronan only went after the orb cuz of Thanos and he's dead
>Ego activates the seedlings, and with no one to stop him, numerous worlds are destroyed including Earth
Only discovered Peter because of the events of GOTG 1 and since that never happens its doubtful that he'll ever find him

The main timeline, their timeline, you ninny. "How many did we win" means the avengers of the main timeline succeeding at saving the universe. It's only one "possible future" from where Strange is looking anyway, because it's one course of the characters' actions: the actions that the avengers take in Endgame. It just happened that the Avengers created alternate pasts in their mission.

This
Thanos died in the beginning didn't mean they won.

Doctor Strange never said only one possibility of killing Thanos or killing Thanos is how we win.

IDK if Yea Forums is being retarded on purpose or not.

>he's shown to be rather impatient
It was less about overcoming impatience with Dormammu and more embracing defeat. Over, and over, and over again.

>lived for basically millions of years
>starlord is being a piece of shit for 5 seconds

I'd be mad too.

And destroy than damn planet?

The timeline where thanos snuck out from was a time prior to their fight in infinity war, so its moot.

What is really weird is that he foresaw that they would kill thanos and then bring back thanos trying to undo his damage.

Ego doesn't necessarily have to find Peter, just a compatible offspring, although if Peter survived he wouldn't have the connection to the guardians that helped keep him joining Ego, should Ego ever find him. I imagine.

Korath would already have been on his way to collect the power stone for Ronan, so Ronan probably would still end up with it and destroy Xandar (especially since Quill got knocked out and they originally got to the chamber at the same time).

What's gonna happen with the new loki timeline? The universe is basically dead without loki helping out in thor 2 to stop the dark elves.

What I wonder is, they didn't offer an alternative solution to the problem Thanos was desperately trying to fix. They just undid his extreme solution and claimed they saved the universe. But they didn't?
Isn't the original problem still there?

kek

OP I’m a huge Doctor Strange fan here and you’re literally being the most retarded dipshit ever. So let’s try and break things down for you.

>In Doctor Strange the Ancient One shows Strange “infinite universes with infinite possibilities
>this means there are INFINITE numbers of alternate timelines. The same infinite that is never ending.

>Fast forward to Titan in Infinity War where our heroes are formulating their plan
>Strange is interrupted while looking to these Infinite possibilities of outcomes
>we do not see how long he’s actually doing this for, but when woken up he says he’s seen 14,000,605
>out of the 14,000,605, there was only 1 victory

So let’s look at this Titan scenario. Let’s say for the sake of the time crunch it took Strange about 30 minutes to view 14,000,605.

If he was never interrupted and kept going for another 30 minutes. He would have gotten to see 28,001,210 timelines and maybe some other ways they could have one.

But he didn’t and considering how there was only 1 Victory out of 14,000,605 the odds of another Victory popping up is EXTREMELY low.

So please stop being a fucking moron and use critical thinking skills.

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There were a lot of Sakaarans in 2014's Thanos army during the attack on Earth, and they got dusted.
No way to know if they were all of the forces Ronan commanded in GOTG (or if him and/or Korath were in that battle), but at the very least a large part of Ronan's forces are gone in that universe. And without Thanos, he's got no reason or means to go after the Power Stone.
So Ronan is either powerless or very understaffed, it's unlikely he'll be able to do that much damage to the Nova corps.

Starlord may get the Power Stone, and with Ronan out of the picture, the Broker may buy it after all. But, without Gamora, at best Starlord will bump into Rocket and Groot who'll try to capture him for his bounty. Even if they end up arrested by the Nova, Drax now has no reason to join them.
So the Guardians never form. With no Xandar incident, Ego won't hear about Starlord and may never find him, because we know Yondu won't give him up.

Forgot to say, anything that happened in GOTG gets changed anyway, down to Korath going for the Stone at the very start of the movie and finding Starlord, because Thanos probably called the Sakaarans back after the Nebula Dropbox malfunction.

How would the 2014 timeline play out on Earth ?

yeah, that's the worst part, every villain has a valid point of view but they use wrong methods (genocide, etc.), but the "heroes" act worse than them, only Black Panther saw the error and I look for a solution, The Avengers do not seek solutions to real problems, they simply go to throw lightning and lasers against the Villain without analyzing the problem that the "Villain" tries to solve (in a wrong way, like Killmonger) but T. Ch'alla saw the problem and looked for a solution, Tony, the Cap, Shield, nobody looks for a solution, not even Peter against Mysterio, they were all unfairly fired like Toomes, Tony is the worst character in the whole MCU, just quips and lasers to destroy everything

>they didn't offer an alternative solution to the problem Thanos was desperately trying to fix
The universe didn't need saving, Thanos was a genocidal maniac who wanted to kill people. At no point it was shown the universe collapsing or having issues due to overpopulation simply because he made up the problem and the solution. I don't get why people think he needed to be refuted in his nonsense.

>Damn it Stark, I meant you have to take the stones and fly away with it. Thanos is already overwhelmed and has no way to follow you through large distances. But no, you had to sacrifice yourself because your ego couldn't let anyone else to take the spotlight.

There was a 1 in 14 million chance of Thor aiming for the head?

Imagine getting confused by capeshit

Trips don't lie
>because your ego couldn't let anyone else to take the spotlight.
Sums up 70% of him in the MCU

Ego destroys it with the seedling because the Guardians won't have a reason to form.

The first post is already the most logical answer.

The movies outright never tell us if he was wrong about the problem.
Our heroes don't even consider if he's right or wrong. They don't even acknowledge the problem presented. For fucks sake, just assuming that he's wrong and it's just an excuse to kill people like you did would've been enough, but they don't even do that.
They just go "we have to stop it because that's the right thing" and forget everything about his motivations and goals for the rest of the arc.
You know, the motivation of villain is a very important piece of information for the heroes to solve the conflict because it offers alternatives and new possible solutions from second sources.
But no, it's always the same with this type of villains because the writers never know how to answer the question they've just created and your average viewers go "fuck yeah, they beat him in combat!! that automatically means he was wrong about everything because he looost!"
Bah.

>The movies outright never tell us if he was wrong about the problem
Why do you need to be told about this? Gamora questions his sanity and he openly says "I'm the only one who's right". Why would anyone need to disprove an obvious lie, when even in our current reality the problems we're facing have absolutely nothing to do with overpopulation and everything to do with redistribution (or lack) of resources.
>They just go "we have to stop it because that's the right thing" and forget everything about his motivations and goals for the rest of the arc
Because it's NOT a real problem, he made it up, that's his thing, he wants to kill people because he's a genocidal freak. That's it, there isn't anything more to it.

>Gamora questions his sanity and he openly says
Oh yes, I'm sure the kid angry at her father who doesn't even realize he loves her for real is a source of wisdom in this matter.
>Why would anyone need to disprove an obvious lie
Because it may not be a lie, you don't know if it is a lie and you're risking everything under the assumption that it is a lie.
>when even in our current reality
Real world =/=fictional universe.
The fact that we don't have a problem in our world doesn't mean it can't be used on a fictional one. This is retarded.
Oh and by the way, as much as the media wants you to believe otherwise, we DO have an overpopulation problem on top of the redistribution one.
>Because it's NOT a real problem, he made it up, that's his thing, he wants to kill people because he's a genocidal freak. That's it, there isn't anything more to it.
Proof?

>he loves her for real
That was a top tier, twisted and sick kind of love. Guy even replaced her body parts (although not as much as Nebula) to enhance her

The whole conversation Thanos had with Strange on his home planet showed that his entire belief was based on his experience with his own home. On the surface this might seem biased and pretty but when the results of being ignored when you are sure something bad will happen is the complete destruction of your entire planet that might set some convictions in stone.
Also originally once he completed his objective he was content to spend his days powerless and being a simple farmer. Someone who just wants to kill things would not retire like this.

>not wanting super cyborg daughterfus
some people, I swear

It was against their will, you dumbass

>The fact that we don't have a problem in our world doesn't mean it can't be used on a fictional one. This is retarded.
Retarded is to think it was a problem AT ALL in the movie, holy shit.
>Oh and by the way, as much as the media wants you to believe otherwise, we DO have an overpopulation problem on top of the redistribution one
Oh look, an actual idiot.

Also you want proof Thanos is a genocidal freak? Did you watch the fucking movie you imbecile?

Much like the Ancient One he can not see past his own death, so he can't see future where they won after he died. Plus this was the only woutcome where both a Thanos came from another reality, and they won. Their Thanos going to another reality and getting beaten was never a possibility.

>dr. Strange was actually pointing upwards hoping Stark would bring out one of his many killer drone satellite systems that he just has.
>asshat just goes for the gauntlet instead
I mean it worked.

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>resorts to insults for no reason
Already out of arguments, eh?
>Retarded is to think it was a problem AT ALL in the movie
Please, do tell me where and what exactly is the definitive proof that the overpopulation problem does not exist in Thanos' universe, and that the heroes don't outright ignore the subject.

That's not the point dumbass. The point is, is the fact Strange Said their was only ONE timeline where they win and live. But the movie shows TWO. It show TWO universes without a Thanos. Meaning two groups of Avengers are victorious.

>Please, do tell me where and what exactly is the definitive proof that the overpopulation problem does not exist in Thanos' universe
The fact that it was never brought up before Infinity War. It's that simple. You'd think that if it was such a big problem that led to the conclusion of the Infinity Saga, we'd have seen its consequences all over the place before Thanos arrived, and yet we never did.
I know you're a brainlet who needs everything spelled out but yes, Thanos only wanted to kill people and had a warped philosophy to justify it. Newsflash! That's his modus operandi in the comics too.

>But the movie shows TWO. It show TWO universes without a Thanos. Meaning two groups of Avengers are victorious
Thanos being dead doesn't mean a win, didn't you watched the beggining of the movie?

Strange exact words were:

"I went forward in time to view alternate futures. To see all the possible outcomes of the coming conflict."

It's very clear that Strange was looking to see timelines in which they emerge victorious against the danger that is coming straight for them in their own time. The Endgame scenario was the only one he saw that was possible. The other victory scenario depends on Thanos when he's just about to start collecting the stones to warp to another universe. For their own universe that opportunity has long since past since Thanos is still there in their time so even if Strange did see this scenario it's utterly pointless because it's no longer a victory scenario they can use for the "coming conflict".

>The fact that it was never brought up before Infinity War. It's that simple
Pffffff.
You realize the places we've seen through the movies up until IW are a ridiculously insignificant portion of an UNIVERSE, right?
This is the equivalent of using personal isolated experiences as ""proof"". What an awful reasoning.

>You realize the places we've seen through the movies up until IW are a ridiculously insignificant portion of an UNIVERSE, right?
Absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence. If it was never brought up, it means it wasn't a problem. These are also movies, not comic books, so you have to take them for granted unless told otherwise.

Not far from the canon.

>absence of evidence
So you finally admit that there's no proof, which was my point: we don't know for sure one way or another because the movie literally ignores the subject and never tells you anything about it other that it's Thanos' motivation. Glad we could agree.
>so you have to take them for granted unless told otherwise.
>"just shut off your brain and take everything at face value"
I hope you realize how ironic this statement is after you've used "brainlet" as an insult.

>I hope you realize how ironic this statement is after you've used "brainlet" as an insult.
It's more like you're overthinking something that was never a problem before the movie, then get mad because the movie won't address it. That IS my point.
>So you finally admit that there's no proof, which was my point
No, I'm telling you that you're asking me to prove a negative, which is impossible because it's never stated in the movies so you have to assume it wasn't a problem. It's not like in Civil War where the Sokovia Accords were a direct consequence of the previous movies, so you can definitely say "look, they have a point" (or not); in the case of Infinity War at no point it's stated or conveyed in ANY of the movies that there's a problem that needs fixing, and the only time such claim is challenged, he says he's the only one who's right, so PRETTY CLEARLY it's a personal obsession and not a widespread problem.
So no, it's not "ironic" at all that I'm telling you to stop overthinking it, because at some point you actually believed he might have been right but you cant fathom the idea that he was, after all, just a maniac. You sound like the kind of guy who would try and read through a shooter's manifesto to see if anything they say "has some bits of truth in them".

Reminder that Cap cucked the Steve Rogers who was still frozen and undiscovered in the timeline created when the gem was removed, and that Steve Rogers woke up to a world that never missed him because he had been replaced by our Cap, who then stole that timeline's shield to take it back home (the original unchanged timeline) and give it to the guy who couldn't even keep up with Cap while he jogged and got beat up by Rumslow.

Also
Fpbp

>No, I'm telling you that you're asking me to prove a negative, which is impossible because it's never stated in the movies so you have to assume it wasn't a problem.
Except for the fact that you're the only one using the lack of information to assume Thanos was lying.
I'm not and never claimed he wasn't lying, all I'm saying is that the movies never give us enough information nor a solid proof to be able to claim one way or the other.

>Except for the fact that you're the only one using the lack of information to assume Thanos was lying.
Trick argument. He's not "lying" because he firmly believes that to be true, but he's wrong that it is a problem at all because, ONCE AGAIN, it was never a problem before he arrived.
And yes, if the movie doesn't state otherwise, and there's zero hints pointing towards any other thing, you can easily assume he's wrong. Every other time a conflict like this happens in the movies, they sit down to discuss and argue both viewpoints (Civil War and Black Panther), the only one where they don't do this is this one, because guess what, nobody is going to fucking argue the merits of mass genocide in a Marvel movie.

>never outright tell us
What a fucking moron.
Literally argues that since he wasnt spoonfed an obvious conclusion, everyone inferring the same thing must be wrong.

First of all they did say it.
>you dont trade lives
>lets kill half the people so they dont maybe possibly die in a future i believe without any iyher evidence aside from anecdotal muat occur
>nevermind if i erased the kid who would grow up to cure cancer or solve famine
And then sapient lives are taken for more birdies in the sky on top of all.
Gamora is the last survivor of her species. Thats how well Thanos' plan works. Have you any idea how devasted a country is after losing 10% of its population, imagine a whole world losing 50%.

Youre either disingenuous or stupid. If you deny both its the second by default.

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Resorting to semantics now? Fine. We don't know if he's wrong or right, and no, the fact that we were not shown the problem in previous movies doesn't the problem didn't exist in other parts of the rest of the 99,99% of the universe, all it means is that we as a public didn't have the problem shown to us until that point.
As you yourself said a few posts ago, absence of evidence isn't evidence of absence

Why didn't Dr Strange just open a butthole portal to the butthole dimension and kick Thanos into it?

Gosh, that's genius.
Its not like Thanos could teleport across the universe.
Great job, user.

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I'm not arguing in favor of his retarded solution, I'm just saying that we don't know if the overpopulation is a real problem in that universe for sure and the movies just ignores it.
Halving the life wouldn't solve that type of problem anyways, it'd just postpone things. Thanos is an idiot at best.

>Cap left his younger self to be left utterly cucked, shieldless and alone in a world without the Avengers
What a dick.

>Tony spends all his time doing hermit dad shit in the Endgame timeline
>realised that building a set of armour round the Earth wouldn’t work in fucking AoU
The drones were such a fucking dumb thing to put into the MCU. Who even controls them, a single rogue AI? Pepper Potts?

Its not.
At least not objectively.

If a species dies out from mismanaging resources, that could be called cosmic natural selection. Those species that advance culturally and technologically in a way where they dont simply run out of food and space get to survive and keep reproducing and maybe even seeding other planets.

And he expressly stated that he is not waiting for it to be a problem, he sees it as an inevitable problem for every race since his died out because of it. Nevermind all yhe star spanning species out there. He states that this problem will arive regardless, so he might as well cull half now to avoid it, when its really just postponed.

>At least not objectively.
>If a species dies out from mismanaging resources, that could be called cosmic natural selection
I do agree with that way of viewing it.

It's not semantics, you're assuming there might be a problem because the bad guy whose first action in the movie is killing the Asgardians who were saved in the previous one "might be solving it", even though he was genociding the last members of a species right in front of us.
And that's not on Earth, that was in Asgard, and then we're shown how he culled Zen-Whoberi's population the same way to the point Gamora was the only survivor. No, there wasn't a real problem, and I guarantee you the Eternals will show they were prosperous before a guy like Thanos showed up with the claim that there were too many mouths to feed simply because they were entangled in a tribal war. It's just fucking dumb.

And remember his crew.

These are no zealots following Thanos because they believe in his cause, thinking themselves as tragic heroes. They are along for the ride because of the method: killing, and others are out for personal power.
Thanos is clearly insane. If you want to portray him as misguided or mentally ill, that's one way of avoiding the "evil" tag, but he is very clearly wrong in his primary conclusion. Super wrong in his methodology.

Cap's ending is illogical in terms of what writers proposed and Out of chraacter no matter what
Pretty much most of people here already knows no need to keep spreading that retarded copypasta

At no point I defended Thanos actions nor justified them.

You don't understand math very well do you?

Likely he saw that telling Tony to make the sacrifice play would end up with Thanos getting the Stones somehow. It was only at the exact moment where Tony was in a position to take the Stones from Thanos and snap the army to dust that Strange was willing to tell him what needed to be done.

Good point

How the fuck do THEY win in the timeline they're not in? Seriously you're way too dumb to talk to.

Stuff like these is what make me doubt the people who claim these two movies were "riddled with plotholes" simply weren't paying attention or outright misunderstood what happened.

That guy I just replied to is seriously having a hard time wrapping his head around the concepts of infinity and time.

fpbp, anyone trying to argue anything else is a faggot.

>after coming to earth first thing tony does is say how right he was about the armor around the world, freedoms be damned
>the drones are basically conventional military tech anyway
>able to launch a drone anywhere on earth in case morgan is in danger and he isn't there
what is the problem exactly? this all sounds like MCU Tony

timeloops and trimmed branches

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Only because everyone makes a ton of assumptions about what happened. Here are the only two things we know about the timeline Cap returns from:

1. Cap went back in time and danced with Peggy
2. At some point many years later he chose to return to his original timeline with a shield.

Anything else is an assumption that there isn't evidence for. Did Cap stay with Peggy? Maybe, we don't know. Did Cap leave the Steve Rogers of that timeline frozen in ice? No way to know. Did Cap steal the shield from that timeline? Based on what we know about Cap I would say no, he would have asked to take it, but again, that's an assumption, we don't know.

But claiming that Cap went back in time and created a branched timeline where he cucks his past self, leaves him frozen in ice, and then steals the shield and takes it to another timeline is just some peoples' retarded headcannon and not at all supported by the limited information we have.

>2. At some point many years later he chose to return to his original timeline
this is an assumption as well

I suppose so yeah, all you can really say is that he somehow ended up back in that timeline (if you accept the Russo's version, I do since its consistent with the mechanics described in the movie).

An implication is not the same as an assumption.

Given the internal logic they have established through the rules the ancient one spelled out.

You suggest that Cap going back having a dance and leaving is less retarded than the possibility of him living out a life with her, the most logical and obvious conclusion and the one basically everyone reaches. Given the fact that we see old Steve, telling us decades have passed for him and then the movie ends with the dance in the past, it's obviously what the director and editor wanted the audience to think, he lived a life with Peggy in the past. That cant happen without creating an alternate timeline and that cant happen without another Steve existing, frozen during that period. A Steve he cucked. Maybe he got a shield made, one that could never be reproduced before. But i highly doubt past Steve woke up and gave his shield to the doppelganger that's been fucking Peggy while he froze.

Now i WANT Cap to have woken up past Steve so that what we saw is that timeline's Steve finally get his dance.
But the other thing is much more fun to post, because its a terrible and entirely possible implication of what we have seen, and it upsets people like you.

I consider that it was our Cap having the dance an assumption as well since i hope he just woke up a past Steve. Its still fucked up that her kids would never be born, but whatever.

Yep, there's also one where Thanos gets addicted to loli porn to the point he has to act on it, he then gets Gamora and Nebula as playthings only for them to kill him in his sleep a few years down the road for all that he did to them.

I agree with your version. It seems more consistent with his character that he would retrieve that timeline's Steve Rogers, maybe then continue as Captain America while Steve Rogers gets to have a normal life with Peggy (though maybe Cap got his dance first and then retrieved him). My point is we don't know and treating any specific set of hypothetical events certain and condemning those actions is asinine.

>if you accept the Russo's version
>I do since its consistent with the mechanics described in the movie
so is a timeloop

>I consider that it was our Cap having the dance an assumption as well since i hope he just woke up a past Steve
no, it's not an assumption BECAUSE you don't like
basic movie making tells you they didn't suddenly show a different Cap than 'our' Steve
>i hope he just woke up a past Steve. Its still fucked up that her kids would never be born, but whatever.
so having just seen Endgame a second time an hour ago, I like the time loop explanation for Old Cap
but if you go with the timeline split version, then that Peggy never had kids and as soon as Steve went back they weren't guaranteed to exist anyway, and they still exist in the 'original' timeline
and actually something I forgot to bring up when responding to originally, the shield that Old Steve gives to Sam isn't just the WWII shield he 'stole' from another Cap, it's designed differently

There's no time loop, user.

That goes against what the ancient one/Hulk said. Steve cant live his life with Peggy in the past of his own timeline, he can only create another one because the original is fixed.

>That goes against what the ancient one/Hulk said
it doesn't, no one mentioned time loops being impossible
>Steve cant live his life with Peggy in the past of his own timeline, he can only create another one because the original is fixed.
our 201X Steve's future can happen at the same time as his past (his past self's present)
Hulk says you can't change anything, a time loop means nothing was changed and Steve can ride out the timeline to modern day

user, they literally do. Explicitly. Back to yhe Future is bullshit they say.

He cannot live a life with Peggy in his own timeline. In his own timeline Peggy married and had kids. A man she mentions in an inteview had been rescued by Captain America during the war.
Unless he lived in a hole in the ground not interacting with anyone and being Peggy's side piece while she lived out her life as it happened originally. Which would go against his characterization just a bit. Timeline branched out.

Stark was the real menace. Him living would destroy the universe.

>Someone from the future kills their past self
>future self doesn't disappear or die
So is Nebula dead or what?

>user, they literally do. Explicitly. Back to yhe Future is bullshit they say.
what does Back to the Future have to do with time loops?

Time travel works different in the MCU. If you go back in time to, say, kill baby Thanos, you would only be taking Thanos away from that specific, new alternate timeline and would not affect your current present.

>user, they literally do. Explicitly. Back to yhe Future is bullshit they say.
what does Back to the Future have to do with time loops?
>In his own timeline Peggy married and had kids. A man she mentions in an inteview had been rescued by Captain America during the war.
>Unless he lived in a hole in the ground not interacting with anyone and being Peggy's side piece while she lived out her life as it happened originally.
UNLESS IT'S A TIME LOOP
what part of this aren't you getting?

so they could go back in time and grab a different Black Widow or Tony Stark?
Basically the one they knew is dead but they could go back and grab one during Age of Ultron, bring them to their timeline and everything would be fine?

Oh, i see.
Youre stupid. You're very posts dont make sense anymore and you just keep repeating yourself.

I hope for your sake you're being disingenuous.

back to the future does not deal with time loops
everything about Old Cap is explained by a time loop
you have no response to these points so you reply with a non-argument
>uh, uh, you're dumb!

All the past timelines are exactly the same as they were and, in the case of Natasha and Stark, removing them from their timelines could directly result to the ultimate destruction of their timeline's universes (Tony's not there to snap his fingers or invent time travel and Natasha is not there to sacrifice her life to get the soul stone).

user, there are no time loops.
He can't live a life with Peggy in his own timelime without changingit and it establishedhe cant. Why cant you get this?

>He can't live a life with Peggy in his own timelime without changingit and it establishedhe cant.
unless he already did, why are you trying to think about time loops in three dimensions?
why can't you, even for a fucking second, run the thought experiment of it being a time loop instead of only considering these points from the perspective that it absolutely cannot be a time loop?

Strange wasn't checking universes, he was checking timelines. The Infinity Stones wouldn't even work in another universe.

This is what happens when JJ fucking Abrams tries to introduce time travel to modern audiences using outdated Star Trek conventions.

user, she had another husband and children. The pictures are there when she dies.

Thats the established past he cant change. He can only live out an alternate one with her.
This why you're dumb, user. Youre not even reading what you reply to, it's not even about forgetting details.

>The pictures are there when she dies.
oh really? it's almost like that would have been something posted everywhere when the internet was thinking about this right after the movie came out
>Thats the established past he cant change.
a time loop doesn't change anything, that's the "loop" part
this is why you're an idiot, and now I can securely say you're being a cunt

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Thats not exactly accurate.
They use the term "reality" and "timelines" interchangeably.
The ancient one when explaining it to Hulk kept saying "my reality" and "your reality".

That bit about the gauntlet not working outside its home reality and the distinction between timelines and different realities is established in the comics, not the movies. We dont know if its the same in the movies. In the comics anyone can use the gauntlet for anything without burning out an arm, for example.

user, she specifies that her husband was a different man, who fought in WWII and was once rescued by Cap.
And just because you didnt see anyone mention this before, doesnt mean its not there.

The reason her husband is not pictured is because she had her own series, which mightve eventually led to production casting the part of her future husband or deciding who it would be from the current cast, so putting some random dude would just make internet denizens call it out later. But it was cancelled anyways. Theres pages with speculation on whom it was since before Endgame.

marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Peggy_Carter's_Husband

>And just because you didnt see anyone mention [a picture of her husband] before, doesnt mean its not there.
>The reason her husband is not pictured
So you accuse me of not reading what I reply to, and then ignore my image.
I figured after your last post, but now I know for sure that you're just trolling. Have a good night, user.

user, i mentioned the scene in your image before you even posted it. I read your filename too.
You run along now if you want.

>be Steve Rogers Prime
>decide new fangled world of iPads, anime, and negroe presidents is not right for me
>show up at Peggy's house and dance with her
>consider cucking alternate timeline self
>no
>that's not the white man's way
>"I'm not from this timeline, Peggy. Your Steve is under the ice"
>a strange look is in her eyes. But she's very eager to save him which makes sense
>make the long trip to the Arctic using some gizmo of Howard's to search for the wreckage
>Peggy comes along for some reason
>doesn't she know that only makes it harder on me to give her up?
>grin and bear it, know you'd do the same for yourself were the shoe on the other foot
>finally find the frosty Steve. endure good natured jokes about "Rocket Pops" and "Capsicles"
>drop him in Stark's de-icing tank, he could wake up at any time, whoever is on watch will fill him in
>celebrate successful adventure over pinochle, drinks, and big band music with the men, go to bed
>dead of night, knock on cabin door. Peggy? What are you-
>she has me follow
>get to meet myself
>we share a manly handshake, and a brief, one backpat hug
>what a great guy
>about to give speech about how it's time for me to go
>suddenly, Peggy drops her nightgown and spreads out on a table, showing off everything between her legs, back and front
>"Steve...Steve...may I have this dance?"
>I look at myself. Just as shocked as me
>And yet...who are we to deny a lady what she wants?

Suffice it to say that Peggy, Steve, and Steve spent many happy years together. And, of course, why wouldn't she be happy, now that she had two men who could "Do This All Day?"