Post street level characters who can decisively beat captain america

Plus all the wakandan tech he has, but if Spider-Man is street level, so is Panther, at least in terms of ability.

Marvel had Shang-Chi with Shadow Clone powers job to an old man Steve without the SSS. Karnak is going to job just as hard against Steve.

It's more due to being wanked by a shitty writer. Reginald Hudlin's run was terrible.

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Comic BP is like MCU BP now where he has legit superhuman powers. 616 Steve is still "just" peak human

MCU BP is no where as skilled as 616 BP. MCU BP isn't even as skilled as MCU Steve. MCU BP relies too much on his tech and have trouble capturing 1 normal terrorist despite the fact that MCU BP is a Super Soldier and wearing a power armor.

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Shang-Chi, the Immortal Weapons, and Karnak would honestly be the best martial artists on 616 Earth if they decided to stop wanking Captain America, Black Panther and Wolverine. None of the latter can do the crazy stuff the former does.

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Why is the ruler of a country considered street level?

If you are in need of someone to save the planet from a world destroying threat, the likes of Black Panther would be on the bottom of the list among who you would call first. The Hulk and Thors of the world would be called first.

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Illuminati called him before Hulk and Thor.

Ability is not social status. I don't know why you would think otherwise.

Sure but that doesn't change the fact that T'challa is beyond peak human now in the comics

I don't think Cap was ever one of the best martial artists, he's a pretty good fighter mostly because he's a pretty clever person. But put Steve in a one on one with Shang-Chi he won't be able to beat him in a straight up martial artist fight.

IMO Shang-Chi, Karnak, and Gamora should be the best fighters.

Illuminati also called Namor, the guy that occasionally declare war on the surface. Steve, the guy that they later mindraped because he was a tool. Xavier, the guy that starts more problems then he solves. Beast, once Xavier got himself killed... again. And Beast did nothing useful but be background wallpaper. Richards, the guy that almost killed the planet on several different occasions. Illuminati ain't fill with competent people.

It kind of sounds like maybe, just maybe, the goal of the Illuminati isn't to save the world . . .

Being invited to the Illuminati isn't a good thing.

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Cap's true super power to make everyone in front of you a complete jobber.

>Shang-Chi, the Immortal Weapons, and Karnak would honestly be the best martial artists on 616 Earth if they decided to stop wanking Captain America, Black Panther and Wolverine. None of the latter can do the crazy stuff the former does.
Minus the cap part because I don't remember Marvel really trying to push the best H2H fighter in MU for cap but otherwise pretty much this.
That is one amazing edit desu and I wish this was what actually happened.

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His "power" is basically being Human+, anything a human can and has done, he can do, but better. In the future, when humans can fly and bench press a skyscraper, he'll be able to do that too, but better.

What? Cap and BP have pretty much dead even physicals before he gets his king of the dead shit or whatever. Make them fight with no equipment and it should be a literal 50/50. With vibranium suit BP should take the majority but Cap still puts up a good fight.

Hate it when people undersell the SSS, Cap is far beyond an athletic human.

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Brubaker pushed his abilities higher than other writers but most people basically have Cap slightly above Batman in terms of capability. Never understood why he didn't get a power creep to put him more along the lines of Ultimate Cap who is far beyond peak human

>Hate it when people undersell the SSS, Cap is far beyond an athletic human.

Writers do that too, though. It was supposed to be a straight upgrade to everything a human can possibly be and still worth it considering that they are still pursuing a reproduction of it, but there's not much provided to show as to why it is still worth pursuing in lieu of all of the other crazy developments with biological and mechanical upgrades going on with everyone else.

I know and its annoying. Its just silly because Cap has always been doing crazy shit like that, striking and lifting far beyond what a buff guy should be able to, insane durability/reactions etc. Caps "plot armor" abilities like not getting shot are just well within what the SSS should give a human and Brubaker simply stopped pretending he was just a strong normal guy.

Batman also shouldn't be anywhere near where he is, he just gets wanked and plot armored to a ridiculous degree. But Caps "plot armor" abilites actually makes sense because he was enhanced. Cap started the whole metahuman arms race with people trying to replicate him because the SSS was so incredible. If all it did was make you strong as a guy who hits the gym no one would care.

Hawkeye!

Even without the really crazy his abilities puts hand 2 hand fights in his favor.

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I feel like all the writers forgot about Gamora's martial arts abilities when she became a full time swordswoman

Shang Chi definitely. Guy would be the end all be all of Marvel martial artists if the Immortal Weapons didn’t exist.

Nobody gonna mention my boy Taskmaster?

I wonder if Cap and Karnak will ever get a legit fight

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Why wasn't he put in Marvel VS Capcom games? Could Iron Fist, Shang Chi, and Karnak fight stand against people like Ryu, Kyo, Liu-Kang, Jin, Kenshiro, or Karate Kid?

Yes. But Ken and KK are beyond them though.

>Ryu, Kyo, Liu-Kang, Jin,
Yes
>Ken
Fuck no

>Why wasn't he put in Marvel VS Capcom games?
belongs to a group of C-listers basically, so Karnak never being in Marvel vs Capcom is understandable.still would make a cool fighter though.
>Could Iron Fist, Shang Chi, and Karnak fight stand against people like Ryu, Kyo, Liu-Kang, Jin.
I would say yes to those but not for Kenshiro. I don't know enough about Karate Kid to make that call on him.

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Karate Kid is basically a glorified Shang-Chi that DCfags think is greater than he actually is.

I think tasky is one of those few characters that can go well against any one except steve, He can go toe to toe against most major fighters due to his ability to adapt to any fighting style but I think that ability to adapt is what screws him against steve

Black Panther is street level?
Black "I put the silver surfer in an armlock" Panther?

If Spider-Man can be considiered street level, it opens the door for a lot of other characters.

And it was never spoken of again.

Taskmaster honestly wouldn't be capable of defeating martial artists with superhuman feats. They hit too hard, too durable, and move too fast for Taskmaster. Taskmaster isn't even peak human, he is a trained human like Cyclops is physically. There is a reason why he usually fights Daredevil, Moon Knight, and Captain America instead of Shang-Chi, Iron Fist or Karnak.

Same thing happens when Superman learns martial arts. Classic comic book writer.

Their What If fight was a draw pending the unseen rematch

I know it's common but Slott to me is a mystery, he himself made up a bunch of stuff and then ignored it or completely removed it in the same run.

A fat Japanese yakuza would make him in to his bitch.[/spoiler]lover

>[/spoiler]lover
At some point you have to stop being retarded.

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Kiryu wouldn't let such a thing happen to Cap. He wouldn't allow anyone to disrespect Cap.

BP can be pretty mary sueish. Guy needs to get his ass kicked. If Superman has, so should he.

Based Namor.

Fuck, we're going to be looking back on Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers run as the best big event of its era in a decade or so.

>If you are in need of someone to save the planet from a world destroying threat, the likes of Black Panther would be on the bottom of the list among who you would call first. The Hulk and Thors of the world would be called first.

>one guy has a literal space faring empire
>the other one has a hammer
>the last one is a retard

????

That was bullshit and everyone knows it

Cap DOES know a fuck ton of martial arts. Fuck, not trying to use this as any sort of bar, but even Batman said Cap could beat him

I know he has a shit ton of Martial Arts, I was more talking about the another user saying Marvel pushing Cap as one of the best Martial Arts in MU because from my memory they didn't do that much but I admit I was wrong (though thank you for reminding me of that old DC and Marvel I love that shit).

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I think Blade has a decent chance, if you consider him Street Level. Best answer ITT is probably Shang Chi.
> but even Batman said Cap could beat him
After a while, yes, due to the fact that Bruce will get tired first. But I still doubt Cap could definitively beat Batman in any scenario. I'd say it's 6/10 for Batman.

Probably him too

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That was Brubaker's understanding IIRC, why call him a super soldier if you're just going to play him off as a really fit person?

Tasky's been shown getting whalloped by Steve when he stops fucking around, the most recent case had Taskmaster having prep and using a toxin to specifically slow Cap down.

every single women apparently, because feminists are so insecure that they can't allow a single male character be better then any female character

Bait thread is over there, chief.

Spiderman, Luke cage and Black panther. thats it

Karate Kid used to smash steel girders and vault doors with his SUPER KARATE CHOPS. And I'm talking bullshit future Star Trek handwavium balonium space girders and vault doors.
He could still hurt himself if he was distracted and lost his concentration, but his Space Karate counted as a superpower in itself. One time the Legion was banned from using their powers, so he just used boxing. Karate Kid is ridiculous.

Kenshiro is just beyond anything at Marvel short of cosmic, speedsters or sorcerers. He can control the body and functions of anyone he touches, and can just make them die, explode, or, and consider this, he may be able to use their powers by hitting pressure points. And at that, he doesn't need to touch them, he can throw tiny hadoukens from his fingertips to the same effect. Physically he's more or less, what, Spider-Man level? But his pressure point abilities make him invincible against everything except robots and aliens with different pressure points.

>illuminati
>street level

>HHHUUUURRRRRRRRR

retard

He put Superman in a headlock

SUPERMAN IN A HEADLOCK

>Yet that one time Batman fought him....blah blah blah

>Black Panther
>Street Level

He's a nigger, so yes

XD

Shut the fuck up, idiot, it ruined every single Marvel hero.

So did Civil War but look how people treat that as gospel

So did Identity Crisis, Flashpoint, New52 and Rebirth.

I suppose that gravestone fragment is at literal street level so it does count

Probably none

>none
>BP beat him twice in canon
>luke cage
>iron fist
>spiderman

lmao read more comics noob

Why wouldn't Spider-Man be able to hit Shang-Chi? I don't see any problem with this. A peak human fighter, no matter the skilled, simply should not be able to keep up with a man who has super human agility, strength, and the ability to sense any incoming danger.

Next your going to tell me Nick Fury is street level

Batman, of course.

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Martial artists like Shang-Chi, Iron Fist, and the Immortal Weapons are capable of using chi to augment themselves to superhuman levels. Unlike martial artists like Captain America, Daredevil, Taskmaster and etc that are limited by their physique and can't use chi to augment themselves.

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I still think it would be very hard for Shang-Chi to land a blow

Oh, sure, Cap could beat Batman in, say, a boxing match, for sure. He has super strength, after all. It's just in a real fight Batman would effortlessly take him down because of his superior tactical thinking and equipment.

Shang-Chi was capable of reacting to and tanking Hiroim's attacks. And Hiroim is said to be vastly superior to Shang-Chi physically. Especially with his Old Powers that augment himself to Hulk physically while possessing martial arts that was said to rival Iron Fist.

in Marvel vs DC they fought for HOURS until Batman got LUCKY with a sewer flood.

in JLS vs Avengers, Batman admitted Cap COULD conceivably defeat him, but would take a long ass time

Batman's entire tactical plan is to throw a Superman at it.

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Captain America's shield blocks Batman's path and equipment.

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For a given definition of Street

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