House of X #2 Spoilers

>THIS IS WHAT YOU DO
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>Interesting...further interesting in that she’s had more cycles in time than the local universe has had altered iterations in the sliding timescale, two more if Blue Marvel’s observations are accurate.
I don't really see how that's relevant.

So Hickman managed all alternate timelines?

When's Carol?

So after Moira dies again will she become a Sentinel?

how would she know she has 10 lives?

Unironically sounds cool.

Man, I am all on board to see Hickman go fucking crazy with the X-Men if this is his start.

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>Destiny uses her power to discover that Moira only has ten lives
Read user, read.

t. never read an X-Men comic before this decade

This all may be more interesting if it wasn't so very obvious that this whole Krakoa thing is going to go horribly wrong.

>one-note character
Ahh, casuals...

Destiny was why she got Rogued so maybe she pops up at some point.

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more like Hackman amirite

are Wanda and her brother mutants again

No

4/10 lives are prematurely ended by sentinels
not bad

Turning Moira into a mutant is spitting on X-Men lore in the most disrespectful way. Not every character attached to the x-books has to be a fucking mutant.

Are there any X-Men related characters that are not mutants? Besides Senator Kelly.

Given how Marvel has advertised this revelation as a seminal x-moment like AoA, X-Men #1, Giant Size X-Men, New X-Men, this is definitely underwhelming.

Valerie Cooper.

Omega Sentinel
Valerie Cooper
Deadpool
Irene Merryweather

Congresswoman Stevie Hunter?

Sinister isn't a mutant.

lol how? This sounds like a bullshit excuse to find a reason to get mad at Hickman being on X-Men. Just admit you don't like his comics.

Do cape fans really think like this? They changed muh character even though they've passed hands through tons of writers that it doesn't really fucking matter.

>respecting x-men lore
lol please

So is Moira dying and then being reborn all over again with the same mother/father? In sorta like a time loop, groundhog day scenario.

Because that's fucked.

Fucking Juggernaut?

It seems time loop. In each iteration her actions creates a new alternate universe.

Hickman's gonna go full Crisis and merge the timelines

The implications of this are crazy. She feeds Xavier all her memories in year zero, so him recruiting the X-Men like wolverine and cyclops becomes manipulative because now he knows everything about them before hand. It's an ethical breach kind of thing.

It's really weird since Xavier would know about the Phoenix Five from the start

IT SMELLS LIKE CASUAL IN HERE

>He knew who to draft from the start

So each of her lives is yet another alternate reality?

Marvel decided Xavier was evil in the 90s, because they don't understand how someone can be kind of a dick but still overall a good person, because nuance is for suckers.

What about batman?

The idea is probably that its the same timeline. It gets overwritten each time Moira fucks with history. Destiny and Mystique being linked to Moira and remembering each version of history post-link makes more sense if its the same timeline instead of alternate timelines.

The reality of it is that Marvel will just relegate them to alternate histories.

What about iron man?

Yes! let's make the X-Men even more confusing!

Dang, 74 isn't that old.

Sauron

Hickman is absolutely batshit.

Stop asking for this. Just let them go.

Most fucked up thing about this is that Moira awakens in the fucking womb. Jesus. Spending months stuck in a womb must be torture mentally.

Remember when Moira caught the Legacy Virus and it the public found out and it was big news that the virus had spread to humans?

Based Sentiels wrecking that inborn reincarnated mutie supremacist time and time again. Go Humanity!

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Think that’s torture, how about the concept that your life is a massive Groundhog Day Loop where you remember each loop including the pain of death and the only real way out of it is the die before you turn 13

its almost comedic. The punchline is 'but then the sentinels showed up'.

she's decided to just chill on a beach....but then the sentinels show up.

she starts a broadway career....but then the sentinels show up.

she decides to kill herself by jumping off the brooklyn bridge....but then the sentinels show up.

There is no escape.

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Wait so does this mean that all of the xmen history so far, Moira and Charles have been planning for this? That makes no sense at all considering all that has happened. Its just impossible for that considering all the time fuckery and times things got messed up.

You baiting, right?

>moira is a one note character
???

That's existential torture.

What I'm talking about is more direct. Its like those prisons where they put you in isolation without light. That shit fucks you up mentally just after a few days. Now imagine that for months. You're stuck in a tightly enclosed space, covered in fluid. Can't breathe the way you're used to. Can't eat the way you're used to. Can't see. Can't talk. You're just stuck with your memories that, like you said, are full of the fucked up events from past lives including the intimate feeling of death.

Thats part of what I don't like about this. Its a cool idea. But it renders Xavier's and Moira's actions in this timeline to be fucking retarded.

Longshot

What about Black Bolt

Sinister has never been a mutant, he was always a human altered by Apocalypse.
Longshot and Warlock were declared mutants of their own species, due to Longshot having free will, and Warlock not being evil. It doesn't make any sense.

Wait so Xavier and Moira’s plan was to constantly face scenarios where almost all hope was lost so that they could constantly get lucky for 10 years and create some kind of island? Why would it have taken so long and come out of nowhere. I feel like this isnt the main timeline, like something is up this just destroys all lore.

Not necessarily, they might have had a plan and couldn't get all the pieces together in time. Then all the fuckery that the X-men and mutants go through are completely not part of the plan and only happens in this universe, or they try to stop it preemptivley and failed. So the alternative of they planned everything is that they are just pretending they planned everything and are really just flying by the seat of their pants and pretending it was part of their plan.

people who pretend Hickman is smart are dumb

Longshot is a mutant. He's a clone of Shatterstar, who is a mutant. (Shatterstar is also Longshot's son, so... yeah.)

>Moira failed to stop 9/11

But it says that Moira lived lives that had Apocalypse, Phoenix Five, Days of Future Past, etc.. If she shared that with Xavier wouldn’t they have been able to prepare for it instead of Xavier being inaware of all of it happening? And they arn’t saying they planned it all, Hickman is telling us that is what happened, so is Hickman intentionally misleading us? I just can’t see how it could make sense otherwise.

"failed"

More like, Moira let 9/11 happen because fuck those flatscans.

>yfw Xavier told Black Bolt that M-pox needs to happen

>Moira goes to Apocalypse in this life and joins him as a Horsemen
Ah yes, the "fuck it, nothing else has worked so far" timeline

Hickman's obsession with grand plans and long running conspiracies is indeed retarded.

Hickman has exactly 1 story he can tell and he's been repeating it since Secret Warriors.

>she decided she and Charles Xavier would break all the rules
I mean, fucking hell woman, if saddling up with the guy who successfully managed to rule the world in an alt-timeline wasn't good enough then maybe you should rethink the whole thing. I mean, you lived to 74 the first go-around so you obviously did something right back then.

Also considering she tried curing mutants, co-existence, subjugating humanity, and destroying human, the only logical step left for her would be to build the damn Sentinels herself.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if that's the endgame.

Anything that happened while Xavier and Moira were both dead would be something they couldn't prevent

I think the big thing is that it says Moira and Xavier decide to break the rules. I don’t think this is our Xavier and Moira. The rules they broke must have been to change something big because it is literally impossible for what has happened in the past xmen stuff to happen otherwise

Isn't that Age of Apocalypse? Moira marries Trask and they build the Sentinels together?

>every future humans wipe out the mutant scum
based, X-Men should try not being total assholes for once

Very cool idea

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>that time the sentinels showed up
>IT WAS ME BARRY

all the HiX-Men threads have been indicative of how shitty people are in real life:

>Mutants push for desegregation
>Humans: lol we don't like that time to do everything in our power to destroy you
>Mutants get fed up with being killed and persecuted all the time and create own continent
>Humans: no that's wrong and makes us scared.

The real world parallels are obvious. Everyone who says mutants are being assholes don't understand context and adaptation to a shitty situation.

in other words, if your existence was in a state of constant harassment, would you a.) do something about it or b.) kneel at the foot of your oppressors?

No. I honestly feel this nonsense is just ultimately justifying the mutant genocide, simply because the only thing worse to mutants than humans is the way mutants treat each other given the slightest suspicion of breaking from the cause.

You're ignoring the years and years of terrorism that are why people don't like mutants.
The answer was there all along, take the damn cure and stop being mutants.

it sounds more like her mothers utherus is a savepoint

Moira gets a free reset each life, while everyone will forever remember what a piece of shit Qilby is

Lockheed
Broo
Sadie Sinclair
Shogo
Cerise
Kid Gladiator
Ink
Kyle Jinadu-Beaubier
Peter Corbeau
Corsair & the entirety of the Starjammers
Kavita Rao
Yukio
Amiko
Amber (Orphans of X)
Charlotte Jones
Amanda Sefton
Mama Guthrie
Harrison Snow
Mariko Yashida
Debbie & Megan Kinney
Captain Britain
Tom Corsi
Lee Forrester
Gabrielle Haller
Teri Baltimore
Rory Campbell
Dog Logan
Briar Raleigh
Spiral
Opal Tanaka
Trish Tilby
Deathlok
Harry Morrell
Nurse Annie
Tyger Tiger
Dai Thomas
Agent Morales
Kate Kildare (rip)
CAPTAIN MARVEL

>why is x the most important
>explain
Moira and Xavier were always the pillars the x men in claremont's run, that much was always obvious

>so House of X is what Xavier (along with Moira) has been working towards this entire time.

Yo it's one think to describe xavier as a misguided idealist but to depict him as a totalitarian fundie is straight out character murder

this is your brain on americans

>Life 17: Moira tries to bring back vaudeville, Mr. Sinister writes a scathing review of her play in the New Yorker, retires to the woods to live life as a hermit, screaming at Squirrel Girl every now and then

>Life 22: challenges Apocalypse to a showdown on The Great Genosha Bake-Off, trips over Caliban when preparing an amuse-bouche, dies

>Life 37: ALL FANCY HATS ALL THE TIME!

>Life 336: Moira, I dunno, eats a giant fucking turnip

How exactly will Xavier hand out his miracle drugs? What is the mechanism?
Derived from mutants or not, it's ultimately just a mix of chemicals, and if humans can build a sun-orbiting super-sentinel factory, they can surely reverse engineer and synthecize some chemicals, especially if someone like Mr Fantastic or Iron Man takes a stab at it
What stops countries that accept Krakoa and get the drugs from just reselling it to the other countries that don't? Considering how much humans hate mutants, I'm sure some countries would agree to less than ideal conditions, all to avoid dealing with mutants.

>Mutant call themselves Homo Superior, compare themselves to gods, are responsible for countless terrorist acts to demonstrate their supremacy, are a clear threat to most humans if their mutant level is above Beta, even if they don't want to be, will enslave or massacre humans if the mutant-human dichotomy was reversed, sometimes when the situation still isn't in their favor, and will act offended and will persecute humans and their fellow mutants alike if they decide certain mutant "gifts" are detrimental to themselves, society, or just in general by simply existing
>Why do humans persecute me so?

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The X-Men “died” and went to the Age of X-Man world and humans STILL had O.N.E. hunt down and kill x-kids

I'll bet Life 6 is DOFP.

Obviously fake. Where are the sentinals?

Hat sentinels

The supermeds are probably derived from Krakoa, using material that can only be found on Krakoa or something. Easy solution.

Also, Marvel scientists are retarded. That helps in stopping reverse engineering.

>Life 459: Moira becomes a NEET who posts on Yea Forums, gets addled by Sentinels shitposting against her into oblivion.

Who?

Thats Life 4. So it wouldn't be the redacted one, dumbass. Or at least wouldn't be the reason its redacted.

We're prepared for this one.

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Wakfu character. Remembers his previous lives when he's reincarnated.

You're right, I skimmed too fast and didn't get that bit. I'll concede being a dimwit in this case. I still feel like Life 6 it's a timeline we've seen before though.

the whole history of humanity is terrorism
Christians and Muslims? Terrorists whose whole ethos was convert or destroy
Founding fathers? Terrorists who used hyperbolic rhetoric , leading colonists to believe they were suffering as a result of the British even though records indicate quality of life in the colonies was very high at the time.
People who first migrated to America? Terrorists who damn near genocided Native Americans
IRA - terror group who wanted to be independent from from Great Britain

It would be hypocritical for humans to call anyone else terrorists when our foundations are in terror.

Moira is not reincarnating. She is stuck in a Groundhog Day that resets only when she dies.

I'd rather read the issue myself.

Found out last week that the spoiler summary was more confusing than the actual issue, so I won't make that mistake again.

Hickman himself told us that in Powers of X, or at least that's what we are supposed to think right now.

I disagree. Why create a new character when you've already got an underused one? Better try something new with her.

It leaves me wondering how humanity would ever face up to mutants if they didn't have Sentinels backing them up.

That's a matter of opinion. I think it does open up a lot of questions about how much of this run, or previous runs, actually turned out like it did because of this plan they had.

True, but maybe they figured having him out of the picture was necessary in order to plan things off-screen.

Reed solos

I want to read a mutant hunter group book

I mean, it's dark humor but not an untrue thing as far as apocalyptic X-Men outcomes are concerned.

Probably just a heavier focus on creating flatscan aligned superhumans and X-Gene negating tech.

They don't need to know about EVERY single thing.

Just about the most important parts that she already lived through. Which is what they want to avoid. Everything else is a variable outside of their control.

Obviously Hickman is hiding stuff from us (and from either Moira or Xavier) at this point. What's the fun in giving up the whole game when we're not even half into the run?

Unlikely. Hickman doesn't care about Wanda at all so I doubt she will figure at all.

Iron Man tech? Or Doombot tech.

Did you not read Avengers Vs. X-Men? You can convince anyone to go against anyone else.

why don't they ask Doctor Strange or even Wiccan to help

The people who want this don't care about her either. They just want Magneto to have his children again, even if they never appear in the X-books and never matter there again.

This actually terrifies me because so much of my life feels like it's been luck and I'm terrified I'd fuck it up.

Mutant-hating Ultron.

>Broo

Broo is a mutant brood because he is smart and isn't part of the hivemind

I would like to see humans use a more contemporary approach than giant robots that will eventually go rogue against their programming due to Master Mold. Drones, exoskeletons, homing missiles, the ICBM, advanced fighter planes, and other automated weaponry along with biological or chemical warfare would be fun to see. Technology that seems more plausible.

Hell, there was a recent video of a flying french guy copying flight similar to the Green Goblin's Glider. Source: youtube.com/watch?v=FoW-19mdy4g It would be interesting to see comic writers incorporate that kind of state of the art technology that would be considered sci-fi superpowers in comics as now common and used against mutants.

So Moira creates Age of Apocalypse now? And we're supposed to think she and Chuck are the good guys after this?

Do you guys actually get invested into this story? I wish I could, but I know that Xavier will eventually go back to being a paralyzed baldie, and Magneto will be his enemy again, and mutants will live among the humans and be hated and opressed, and everything will go back to status quo, just like after every other event that promised that things will never be the same afterwards.

Is that not the case for every comic published ever?

This. I've noticed a pattern where Wanda is described only in terms of being a plot device, outside of her use to the X-Men (to the point of thinking a Doctor Strange movie should be about the X-Men), and as a source of man-pain for Magneto, she's an irrelevance in the eyes of X-fags. She's a prop.

You can stop reading capes if that bothers you.

Why bother reading comics if you're this jaded. This logic applies to every single comic being published by Marvel/DC.

He wouldn't, Moira has been dead since like, Manifest Destiny.

So, Age of Apocalypse? She built the Sentinels in that timeline.

>Longshot and Warlock were declared mutants of their own species because reasons
Also Broo and later Krakoa.

But the Phoenix Five, like the same five from 616, are shown in a panel from Moira 4's lifetime

So if Moira 10 shares all of her experiences with Xavier when they meet then Xavier would know, basically everything

Read Loki: Agent of Asgard

That's a lot of words words words just to admit that, "No. No you do not."

>she has ten of them
I'm only seeing six on the cover, senpai.

But not an X-gene mutant though, right?

The issue shows more, user.

What would Yea Forums do if the next writer just did Claremont's original War of the Mutants plan for Uncanny X-Men #300 and decided to wipe all of X-Men history from the early 90s onward?

I get invested in the story because I kinda consider them all to be self contained and only vaguely influenced by previous ones.
That's just the way capes are.
Hell, you could just not read or watch a lot of media if you're bothered by knowing that the good guys will win in the end. It's the journey that matters etc etc

It'd make sense if that was the redacted lifetime, since it doesn't jive with the retcon.

>There are no X-Men in this issue
Ya know: I was cautiously optimistic going into this, and I liked the first issue of HoX, but the first issue of PoX was dull as dirt and read like someone was trying to do Dune by way of Asimov's Foundation series ( which sounds cool in theory, but is pretty well doomed once you realize they're going to try to cram that much Future History into ... 6 issues ).

I don't think I'm going to bother with the rest of PoX and, if these spoilers are accurate, I'll just drop HoX as well.

Maybe it'll end up like the first Civil War where the fallout was more interesting than the 'event,' but Secret Wars just ended up leading to a big wet fart.

Meh.

Of course the truth was a lot more complicated than "she's a time traveller."

Can't wait for the "Xavier is the Maker" theory to die next, although it seems these issue are shoving already putting the nails in that one.

It also means that Moira 10 is either alive right now or is going to be resurrected.

Since she would have died in Life 4 as well, but still lived all the way to Days of Future Past.

I think to each his own, but I am finding this pretty interesting myself, so can't really judge you but disagree.

Life 1 and 2 don't matter since they're just Moira living her life normally, and Moira dying early on. And Life 6 is redacted.

The Moira's on the cover are all the previous lives that actually matter.

>And Life 6 is redacted.
That totally isn't important in any way.

>Oh shit! That's power is what I actually kind of secretly hope my afterlife is!
How could anyone possibly want that? One life is bad enough. Are you just so young you haven't really suffered yet?

What I meant by that was that its obviously not going to be on the cover because its redacted.

Obviously, its the most important life.

Not them, but having all the knowledge from your previous life means avoiding a lot of that suffering, so it would be pretty neat

Why do you post spoilers without a storytime? You're a rotten piece of shit, fuck you.

>I am finding this pretty interesting myself
"It's a Groundhog Day Episode" is a personal pet peeve of mine, admittedly.

I mean, if you enjoy a comic that reads like a half-assed Wikipedia entry...

>no see it's my OC that's super duper important nobody else
Pathetic

I mean we don't have the comic yet.
HoXPoX 1 didn't read like that

>He things Moira is an OC

>PoX 1 didn't read like that
It read EXACTLY like that. There were multiple LITERAL info-dump pages of TEXT ffs!

This is a very good point. 8 iterations, though these early deaths may constitute the same iteration overall.

Isn't this whole re:life thing kinda undermined by the fact that in her very first life cycle she is able to live a completely normal life and die at an old age from natural causes? I mean, there's apparently no mutant genocide, or she simply watched it happen from the sidelines but somehow wasn't affected, which would be stupid. She doesn't die from a sentinel attack. There can be no type of nationwide/worldwide mutant screening, or whatever, because she would realize she's a mutant before cycle #2.

>having all the knowledge from your previous life means avoiding a lot of that suffering
Not really, no. Maybe in fictional stories, but in real life the major problems are all pretty involuntary, like disease, or just the grinding pain of every minute of every day you have to go through that you mostly learn to forget about after you're through it all. You tend to remember just the highlights of your childhood / your time in school for example, but if you had to live through it again, ESPECIALLY if you had to live through it with the mind of an adult who's already seen it happen once before, it would wear on you and drive you insane, like that Chinese water torture meme. Drip... drip... drip... that's ten seconds down, another fucking two billion five hundred twenty-three million seconds to go.
No way is all that worth getting to stop yourself from making a stupid decision or two you have mild regrets about. I would even happily accept several massive regrets over being forced to go through an entire additional lifetime.

>Sentinels being useful
You expect me to believe this nonsense?

So you just skipped all the info dump text pages?

Pfffahahaahaha.

Thats one way to out yourself as a shitposter who hasn't read a single X-Men comic.

>House of X #2 Spoilers
we have a 616 nate grey.

Isn't Cable a 616 Nate Grey?

Moira 6 is fucking Cassandra Nova, calling it now.

Nope.

>having all the knowledge from your previous life means avoiding a lot of that suffering
user: you have to go through PUBERTY over and over and over again.

You have to sit through Algebra 101 ( or Lit 101 or whatever you least enjoyed ) OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

And it's not like you get to ever see what HAPPENS because every time you die you hit reset on the virtual reality sim and start all over again.

Shit's pure 200 Proof NIGHTMARE FUEL!

>Moira 6 is fucking Cassandra Nova
I mean: after 5 lifetimes of Charlie I guess she was ready for some strange; and his sister was RIGHT THERE, so ...

its weird how despite hanging out with the x-men for decades she never once pinged as a mutant

Nah. Nate Grey was created in a vat specifically to defeat Apocalypse, using Scott and Jean as the genetic donors.
Cable happened naturally between Scott and Maddy.

Wait a minute, so when she dies she goes back in time and becomes sentient in the womb as part of her mutant powers but her mutant powers doesn't activate until she's 13. How does that work?

>its weird how despite hanging out with the x-men for decades she never once pinged as a mutant
Not too weird if the way it works is her power only kicks in outside of normal space and time after she dies. Detecting mutant activity probably focuses on the timeline you're in ordinarily. I'm not even sure if what she does counts as timelines or alternate universes in the sense they've been used in other X-Men / Marvel contexts for that matter. Might be that she's outside of all that and each time she lives another life it's just a total reset that nobody has any sort of access to afterwards.

>6 decades
You mean 10 years?

It does explain why the Legacy Virus was killing her. That shit about how it affected her because she had spent so much time around mutants was always a stupid excuse.

WHAT IS THAT OBJECT?

youtu.be/A5v2RdxYGqk

The power activation is only at the time of her death, and its resetting the timeline back to when she was in the womb. She's not physically time traveling.

Nate 616 steals body from other nate grays.

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>mutant AIDS was killing her because she had spent so much time around mutants
It's amazing how on-the-nose they were with the mutants=teh Gays metaphor at that point and yet something this blindingly obvious apparently completely went under Editorial's radar.

Wouldn't Pixie have noticed time resetting every time Moira died what with her being immune to reality warps?

Or is this another case of THAT'S NOT HOW MARVEL TIME TRAVEL IS SUPPOSED TO WORK!!!

>The power activation is only at the time of her death

The spoilers says her powers only activate at age 13 and that's how Mystique and co. blackmail her to not ever attempt to create a cure that removes the X-gene, dumbass, because they'd hunt her down and kill her before that.

>Hackman claims that there won't be any time travel shenanigans in interviews
>Moira's now a mutant who's power is basically Days of Future Past style travel shenanigans
Wew.

But the Legacy virus was clearly an AIDS allegory introduced in the aftermath of the epidemic... I mean this was around the time we started having mainstream movies like Philadelphia.

Do you mean Psylocke? She was immune to reality warping for a while, but I think that wore off

Jesus, you're a retard. Her X-Gene activates. The actual power is the time reset, that activates upon death. Of course, the power is there the entire time after the X-Gene activates. It has to be there to activate upon death. But the actual activation of the power is when she dies, you fucking moron.

It helped that they weren't explicit. Like, if they did that story today, half the characters would be screaming about how the Legacy Virus is like AIDS, and oh what a travesty it is, and Rainbow Mutant Pride Power!!! and that sort of shit.

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>It helped that everybody on this board reading comics at the time were too young to understand allegories

>But the Legacy virus was clearly an AIDS allegory
Yes, user, and that means that they had someone catch not-AIDS just because they spent time hanging around not-Queers at exactly the same time everyone was trying to STOP the idea that you'd get actual AIDS ... just from being around actual queers.

This page is Sinister explicitly drawing a comparison to the AIDS crisis and condemning how the outbreak was handled.
I don't think editorial gave a fuck.

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because viruses don't mutate

That too.

because only fags get aids, right?

Was the Legacy Virus a waste of time? It didn’t seem to do anything other than kill characters for cheap drama who all got reserrected later.

I was actually thinking of Gloriana. But a few other mutants have reality warp immunity too.

Having an AIDS allegory is probably an ok idea

>because only fags get aids, right?
You can't possibly be this stupid.

>we have a 616 nate grey.
HOUSE OF X #2 is a mind-bending comic book that completely turns over the board about what you think you know about the X-Men and Suummers famly. It’s great, bold storytelling that won’t soon be forgotten—and maybe the most Hickman-y Marvel book ever.

>explicitly drawing a comparison to the AIDS crisis
Right, but that's the whole point:
Legacy Virus, unlike real AIDS, only kills Mutants ( but people are terrified that it will spread to humans and this makes them hate and fear muties even moar! Because: Muh Metaphor for Homophobia! )

Then it turns out that the legacy virus IS killing a normal human BECAUSE she spent so much time around dirty muties.

Which means that all the humans who have been worried about catching Legacy just from being around muties were CORRECT and they have even more legit reasons to hate and fear them than they already did with so many of them already being walking WMDs.

In other words in Marble 616 the not-Homophobes were 100% justified because they can only catch not-AIDS from spending extended time around ( literally dirty ) muties.

Its wild and I'm not sure I fully understand them but WOW...

>Was the Legacy Virus a waste of time?

Yes, but not because the idea itself was bad. It was waste of time because it occurred during a time when nobody was really planning things out and editorial cared more about printing money than following up on storylines, so emphasis was more on crossover events and not on doing many stories that directly dealt with the Legacy Virus. The entire subplot kinda fizzled and degenerated after few years into just being about "guess who Z-lister has it now and dies!" and that's why it made sense to wrap it up by killing Colossus in a melodramatic manner. But as a concept it was pretty solid, and you kinda wish they had done more with it.

Illyana's death for example was a great story that came out of it. Even Kwannon's death was okay. But it very quickly lost its teeth when people weren't dying from it all the time, like they had done during the peak of the AIDS epidemic.

Not really. Time travel means the actual person going through time and not the same as reincarnating or whatever.

Considering Moira is comparable in age to Xavier, wouldn't that bypass the examples given as the timeline alterations would have occurred prior to each instance of them being born?

Expect Franklin Richards to have some kind of important role.

Mentioned twice in the book, when Scott and the Richards' were talking, and in the list of omega mutants.

>bold storytelling that won’t soon be forgotten
Unlike Secret Wars and Infinity?

What the fuck are you talking about? You can definitely get HIV by interacting with HIV+ gays. The main route of transmission after anal sex was sharing needles. And Ryan White was an ordinary straight kid who most likely received HIV because of a gay blood donor.
And all that aside, Legacy Virus was definitely an HIV allegory. Not sure how anyone can even begin to question that seriously. Not like it was subtle.

Clearly you remember them, proving his point.

Age of Apocalypse people and X-Baby Havok are really pushing the no alternate realities thing. Perhaps when he said “this is not an alternate reality story”, Hickman just meant it .

>as a concept it was pretty solid, and you kinda wish they had done more with it
That's how I feel about the whole "Inhumans amongst us" thing. The idea of a bunch of people ( at all walks of life, not just teenagers ) suddenly getting triggered all at once and getting powers while people flip the fuck out about them ( literally ) not being entirely lily human is GOLDEN!

But the writing was pretty uniformly shit even before you get into the problem of them just being 'mutants by another name since Disney doesn't have the IP rights to film actual mutants.'

A damn shame, really.

>Time travel means the actual person going through time
What, exactly, would you call DoFP, then?

Moira's going to die before this is over. On her last life? Yeah, she's dead.
Nate grey kills her.

>by another name
Inhumans are in universe considered a kind of mutant. Marvel just likes to ignore that fact.

>Time travel means the actual person going through time and not the same as reincarnating or whatever.
Time travel means something traveled through time, be that mass, energy, or information.

>this level of faggotry
I stand corrected, user.
You actually CAN be that fucking stupid.

>Nate grey kills her.
During House of X, it is mentioned that if it had not been for Genosha, mutantkind would have taken over the planet in ten years, that the Genosha massacre bought humanity time, but I find it weird that House of M and Wanda's "No more mutants" was not mentioned, considering it even decimated more mutants than Genosha

Not him, but I enjoyed school and Puberty honestly wasn't that bad on me.

Secret Wars is seen as an epic storyline and to this day the entirety of the FF run that started from Dark Reign and all the incursions shit is recommended to new readers.

Infinity was editorial mandated and it was originally just a way to have Thanos get involved into the incursions, but editorial mandated the inhuman fart bomb and all the whole shit about Builders.

You do know Days of Future Past had no time travel, right? It was just a flash forward, alongside the present day story dealing with the events that led to that future.

The time travel with Rachel Grey happened afterwards in a separate story.

>Being so retarded you can't differentiate between a story set in the future and time travel.
You're probably so retarded you think flashbacks are about people traveling to the past.

Cyclops had never married Madelyne in Rachel's time.

>Longshot is a mutant. He's a clone of Shatterstar, who is a mutant.
Okay yeah, that makes sense.
>(Shatterstar is also Longshot's son, so... yeah.)
What the fuck?!

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>You do know Days of Future Past had no time travel

The story literally has Kitty's mind traveling back in time and possessing her teenage body to warn the X-men that Senator Kelly is going to be assassinated.

That's X-men time travel for you.

The real reason is PAD being a cheeky fuck and resolving an ancient storyline where iirc, Shatterstar was implied to be related to Longshot

Hickman wants to ignore as much as possible from Bendis

Tieri's Days of Future Now is the best mutant time travel story

The Sentinel thing is probably gonna be a running theme(Sentinels have been prominent in all 3 issues, New Master Mold, the Man Machine whatever led by Nimrod, and now Sentinels eventually killing the X Men is several of Moiras lives) I'm down with that, humanity builds tools to survive and eventually embraces transhumanism yada yada. Although I can't buy into Sentinels as a threat much. The design is iconic and they do give the X Men a hard time but idk they just seem like big slow and clunky robots.

PAD the madman, not leaving anything to chance.

I think my issues with it are that rather than doing anything actually new with sentinels, Hickman seems to just be recycling old ideas in the form of bringing back Master Mold, Nimrod, etc. I mean you have something with Nimrod's evolution, but again, that doesn't actually introduce a new and more dangerous type of sentinel threat in the present/future like original Nimrod did.

Is now a bad time to bring up that time Xavier mindwiped himself because Tempus told him the future?

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So PAD reveals that Shatterstar wasn't a creation by the... guy(i don't remember) in Mojoverse like the other rebels, and that he just showed up one day. So his origins were unknown. But when he did show up, his genetic material was used to create Longshot.

So Longshot is Shatterstar's clone.

Then, in the present day, Longshot and Dazzler get wrapped up in Mojoverse shenanigans, end up spending years there, and they have a baby. The baby is Shatterstar. Then adult-Shatterstar wipes Longshot and Dazzler's minds of the whole ordeal, kidnaps his babyself and takes him to the future to be raised. Where he will grow up and eventually go back to the past to complete the loop.

Just your usual X-Men wackyness.

Or he just pretended to.

For fucking who, the reader?

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Who the fuck knows, man. Its Bendis, who gives a shit. Its nonsense anyways.

They are, which is why the sentinels shouldn't be a threat, I can understand later generations of Sentinels being a threat but not the giant ones.

Dude I'm an X-Men casual and I still remember Moira was in the X-Men cartoon. Why would you out yourself this badly?

>because only fags get aids, right?
>You can't possibly be this stupid.
Approximately 70% of the sexual transmission of HIV is male to male.

>Implying Hickman will bring it up
He will ignore her, just like all the other mutant characters that Bendis made

Goldballs deserves better. Bendis is cancer, but not everything from that run was terrible.

In my defence I only started reading X men comic's when Gillen started writing and none of the cartoon episodes I watched had her in it.

That latino guy who can control vehicles deserved better, wait I just remember that one of the mutant characters Bendis created did show up recently. In the previous one where he got killed

Pretty sure she has webbed toes.

>catched

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Mimic, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, and Juggernaut.

Shadowcat wasn't a mutant briefly, but that got retconned.

>Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver
How long until they are retconned back into being mutants?

Soon

They won't be. Let it go.

She actually had the option of just killing herself with carbon monoxide after she turned 13 until she ran out of lives or getting filthy rich and famous off future knowledge over and over again amassing progressively more power with each life depending on whether she wanted a normal life or wanted to minmax.

10 shots at life is only torture in that you have to dick around through childhood a bunch of times. There's way more upsides, especially considering you don't have to let that childhood be normal.

So what I'm getting from this is Xavier let 9/11 happen.

Letting 9/11 happen is the new letting JFK get shot.

it's like how Israel was formed

To be fair, JFK had already been replaced by a shape shifting mutant villain so that was actually the right thing to do.

Yes, they don't care about her, they just think something has been stolen from them and want it back. And there's also the ones who want her back in the X-books so she can be 'punished'.

What if 9/11 only happens because a mutant in Saudi Arabia farted on Osama bin Laden's face after X-men did something in the current revised timeline?

Not until the MCU changes them to being mutants.

>No, MORE mutants.

Well put, to this day I haven't read a single compelling argument to have her back as a mutant, Quicksilver has a certain closeness to Magneto that Wanda doesn't agree he STILL is more of an Avengers than mutants. It just doesn't work.
Considering Quicksilver is dead and WandaVision will deal with her unleashing Cthon in their universe due to her trying to fix Vision, it's unlikely.

It's got more to do with the fact that Wanda barely ever gets used in X-men because she's considered so strongly to be an Avengers character now, and Avengers office probably has dibs on her usage. Quicksilver is different because he's more strongly been associated with the X-men, so they have repeatedly been allowed to explore the father/son relationship with Magneto, where as in with Wanda all Avengers stories related to Magneto have more or less always been about him being a villain or at least an antagonist.

And the Genoshan genocide of 16 million mutants.

>Quicksilver is different because he's more strongly been associated with the X-men
Not really, and imo outside the Avengers I'd call him more associated with the Inhumans

This is Marvel. Nobody gives a shit about mutant lives. Why the fuck would he prevent that?

I'd say his history with X-Factor makes him more memorable for the X-men. Sure, he's associated with Inhumans, but Inhumans barely ever had a book of their own, and his appearances tended to be more of the "oh and here's Quicksilver briefly because he lives here too" variety.

>you have to sit through X
nigga, do you think sitting through stuff you are great at is a chore? I would Hermione that shit up and be like "Yes, motherfucker, I know the answer to the entire GODDAMN book, indeed!"
>user: you have to go through PUBERTY over and over and over again.
Yeah, fucking all the hot bitches who are my age is so horrible. I would literally do everything that I do now way sooner
>work small jobs to have more money
>get nice clothes
>work out like a pro so I am the sportiest motherfucker in the school (probably even get into athletics)
>know how to manipulate right about everyone because I have my old life experience
Life on easy mode, I swear. I would be getting pussy everywhere AND look great AND have money. Literally no downsides.

Now that I think about it, I wouldn't even really have to sit through school as I would skip several grades. Did it as a kid anyway so I know the drill

So how come we've been getting leaks to every issue of HoX/PoX so far? This usually never happens with Marvel comics, not since Scanbro left us.

Sentinels are only ever useful in alternate futures

Hickman knows the score

retailers get comics on Monday, one of them is just leaking it on r/xmen for karma/attention knowing Hickman is super hyped

>Pyro then burns her alive slowly so "she doesn't forget how dying like this feels."
Jesus Christ, and he's gonna be a good guy now?

That wouldn't surprise me considering Hickman's Avengers run

don't be such a homophobe

The X-Men have let Magneto, Mystique and fucking SABRETOOTH join their team in the past.

He's not the gay one.

at one point you learn to accept it

Meh it's the Marvel Universe, hasn't everyone done something incredibly fucked up by this point?

Does Banshee get mentioned at all? He and Moira were lovers.

Senator Kelly has been dead for like 20 years. Pyro sacrificed himself to save him, making him change his mind about mutants, only for an anti-mutant nut to gun him down the very next day.

one dude on reddit keeps spoiling it in detail every Monday

Link to this guy?

He was mentioned arriving to Krakoa in House of X #1.

What are some X-men who've killed innocent people? I can think of Wolverine, Cyke as Phoenix, Emma definitely. I'm not counting Magneto for obvious reasons.

Jean Grey

he literally has the top post in the x-men sub all the time, not that hard to find

so more feminist trash about strong empowered women?
boring

Yep, I'm thinking sentinels are based from this spoiler.

>Female character is relevant
>FEMINIST TRASH
Oh fuck off.

Didn't Hickman claim that this story wouldn't have any time travel or alternate timelines? Lol.

Number 6 is going to be 616 as we know it. Her latest life has stealth retconned X-men history in 616

Moira life 10 timeline

Year 1: she's born

Year 13: she manifests her mutant ability

Year 16: enrolls at Oxford

Year 17: meets Xavier

Year 25: marries Joseph MacTaggert

Year 27: founds the Muir Island Research Institute

Year 28: wins Nobel Prize

Year 31: gives birth to Proteus

Year 43: Moira and Xavier recruit Magneto

Year 47: Moira/Xavier/Magneto schism

Year 49: Genocide at Genosha

Year 50: Moira fakes her death

Year 52: House of X

Moira was a classic X-men character for decades until 2001.

Hickman has just turned her in to a Peggy Sue.
tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PeggySue

She's been dead so long, that I don't have any pics saved of Moira, so here's Wanda with her tits out.

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Wait, if I'm reading this right, everything from X-Men #1 in 1963 to now has happened in FIVE YEARS?

She is just restarting the 616 timeline, so what he says is kind of right

10 years. Hickman says everything in Marvel since the 60s happened in 10 years.

That makes no sense. HoX #1 had Xavier and Moira’s meeting at Year 0 and HoX at year 10.

It does make sense internally, Moira recruited Xavier when she was 42, and then they both recruited Magneto when she was 43. It obviously makes no sense when taking into account the rest of X-Men continuity though.

This has her meeting Xavier at 17. Which doesn't jive with HoX #1.

I was assuming Hickman was messing with Moira's continuity to make that work in HoX #1, but if the timeline in this post is true, then there's some time fuckery going on besides Moira's ability.

Wouldn't that make a fuckton of heroes under 30?

Correct, why now? Why not earlier in this iteration.

She met Xavier in college at 17, but then he forgot about her because who the hell remembers all of their college classmates when you're in your 40s?

>Moira let 9/11 happen
When your Earth is invaded by aliens every other week 9/11 is small fries.

Oh yeah? How many alien invasions caused dr doom to cry?

Yeah that's what I fucking thought

Yup. Who cares about 9/11 when Kang the Conqueror fucking nuked Washington DC? Or Xorneto tore down the Statue of Liberty, destroyed countless buildings, and killed thousands of people?

How can anyone not think the Sentinels are the heroes after this?

I would sure as hell remember the classmate I fell in love with, got engaged to, then got dumped by when she ran back home to Scotland.

But okay. If the explanation is that Year 0 is Year 42 for Moira, and Xavier is apparently functionally retarded and doesn't remember her, at least that fits in terms of the timeline Hickman is setting forth.

He seemed pretty bummed out about the Dark Elves invading Latveria.

I think that Mastermind is still dead. I think that's it, literally every other relevant character the Legacy Virus killed is back.

>the most disrespectful way
>muh continuity
It's work for hire, kiddo. Continuity is just in your mind.

This reminds me of how Chuck Austen once revealed that mutants can't get AIDS. As far as I know, this hasn't been retconned away yet.

What? Lmao. Thats fucking ridiculous.

But the timeline says that Xavier and Magneto didn't have their big falling out until 5 years ago.

Also, Angels' blood can be used as a healing cure. Because, you know, he's called Angel, wink wink.

But did he cry?

>cbr.com/no-seriously-the-x-men-cant-get-aids/

Angel's blood could cure wounds and stuff, but couldn't cure AIDS.

Wait, wrong link
>cbr.com/things-that-turned-out-bad-mutants-cant-get-aids/

>How many alien invasions caused dr doom to cry?
What's funny is this isn't even a new shoop.

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We're in the endgame now

Looking at the timeline: Xavier breaking up with Magneto is only 2 years before the Genosha genocide. So everything from 1963 to Morrison is in 2 years. And Morrison to pre-HoX is 2.5 years(because HoX establishes the gateways were being planted 5 months ago). And HoX is now.

Jesus. 3 issues in, and Hickman has compressed Marvel history to ridiculous degree.

Or reboot the whole series?

LOL.

Austen, you fucking nut.

Sigh

Yes

seriously though, is Bolivar Trask the most brilliant genius in the marvel universe?
The x-men have stopped multiversal threats, have saved the universe have stopped nigh omnipotent being, have omnipotent beings in their own ranks. And yet every time the sentinels come and wreck their shit bringing them to extintion. And in multiple cases the sentinels have wrecked the shit of all other superheroes as well.

The Shadow King funded them through the Hellfire Club

Maybe Drax was the Maker all along...

to stop the mutants just send the sentinels

Krakoa's always been a mutant, no? That's why the X-Men went there in the first place.

To be fair, hickman writes everyone basically as OCs anyway.

Get dabbed on, muties.

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>Year 13: she manifests her mutant ability
one of the previous posts said she realised she was rebirthed in the womb, so which one is it?

Nah the endgame is that she and Xavier planned everything including the Sentinels. Notice how Nimrod's library still exists in the mutant dominanted future? How the sentinel's plan was to breed more mutants?

OK, I just thought of something, and I don't know how viable this is but here goes

Moiras 6th life was the regular X Men timeline, the one where she and Xavier have been friends for years.

X0 as we know is a much later loop, meaning that what's Canon is up in the air.

And honestly I'm kinda OK with it, it's just a soft reboot and there's nothing that suggests some of the bigger stuff is gone, Just a way to clean up a bit

She loses the power after it activates when she dies because her mind is sent back in time to when she was in the womb. Its pretty simple, user.

Its mind boggling how people don't understand this.

Thats what I was trying to say here

He fucking killed himself, it finally came true

Some sort of sentinel singularity in the future where they improve exponentially? They never show it very well but something like that? And according to the lives of Moria even if you kill the sentinel program it gets developed anyway before humanity is evolving towards it.

Well the only timeline we get to see is the Xth one.

>ultimately stopped by the sentinels.
man why not send the sentinel to stop everything

Maybe that is the sixth life. Moria makes the sentinel program in an attempt to control it.

Ya they made Xavier creepy as fuck in that first issue. Plus the whole we are your gods thing means there is no way it wont end up in the ditch. Anyone who thinks themselves a god is headed for forced humility.

Ya the entire all mutants are on a team even if they are mutants of other species thing is weird. Especially when other altered humans are not mutants.

Groundhog life from birth yes.

You never know. Remember when young jean somehow got her full jean memories by seeing her life from the outside through beast memories? They dont care if shit makes sense. Probably say xavier gains access to his full memories that way so its not manipulative hes just taking a second informed shot.

fuck tempus

>this knowledge links the two forever--in every life of Moira's, Destiny will now remember Moira as well.
so what happen to Destiny?

Oh, yeah. Tempus existed, and she has the absolutely most broken power in comics, so powerful that she can defeat whoever she wants.

Unless Xavier resurrected her, she's still a dead bitch.

Had her ashes scattered so that they blew back in Mystique's face

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It's strange how the human-machine alliance managed to lose to the mutants in the first issues taking place in the future. There must have been some serious Deus Ex Machina happening for them to lose.

so moira and ben reilly OTP? they have experience dying dozens of times.

????????

The point is that advanced machine intelligence as a means to counter the threat of mutants is almost always going to be humanity's choice weapon against mutantkind.

I think the implication is that Xavier and Moira's new path is meant to subvert this and end with the machines joining mutants in making humans obsolete.

They were winning until whatever happened between X2 and X3. And the bit about the Sh'iar wanting to annex the Sol system implies that the reason the human-machines lost was because the Sh'iar came and kicked the shit out of them.

So, not so strange, really.

Bolivar Trask's genius was probably a mutant power, given that his son and daughter were mutants.

So this Moira cunt is yet another Mutant Supremacists who spent most of her multiple life trying to eradicate humankind?
nice "most important character in the history of the X-Men" you have there muties.

I absolutely agree. Marvel overpromoted this as something game changing when it's really not.

This has the same level of bullshit as Claremont’s stories except he could write and had a clear long-term goal. Which made everything worth reading.

When is story time?

Only three fucking years between Morrison and Hickman? Get fucked, Jonathan.

>Moira MacTaggert has 10 chances at life
>Doesn’t understand it until her second life
>Fucks up all her opportunities until her tenth and final life
>Peggy Sue

And half a year of that is just the prologue of HoX where they're planting gateways.

10 lives. What a shitty power.

Did you even read the spoilers?

Why the fuck do mutants keep losing to what's basically just some giant fucking robots? They have better powers.

This is the exact reason I don't keep up with capes. Just come back every few years and see if there were any good runs

so she's a reality warper?

>They have better powers.
Some have better powers. Some have 3 faces and that's fucking it.

That wasn’t true till Morrison, even the Moorlocks had to be made ugly when they were first introduced.

Even taking that into account, most don't have powers that are particularly effective against Sentinels without the benefit of being a main character.

Wait. Can someone explain the 616 Nate Grey thing?
And there were 16 months between Time Runs Out and ANAD.

yes, bolivar trask & his family was confirmed to be mutants a long time ago

Moria's life is really more like Happy Death Day.

OH SHIT! SO THAT'S WHY MOIRA DIED OF LEGACY VIRUS

>spitting on X-Men lore

Imagine thinking anyone has ever "respected" X-Men lore 100% rather than picking what they liked and changing other things they don't to make it interesting.

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Going by a 5 year chronology, Iceman is 19, Spider-Man is 20, and Franklin Richards was born several years before he was born.

BAAAAASED. I would probably add something, but it's fucking impressive, especially remembering Corbeau

I would fap, alas the boat has sailed

Simple attrition would work. There are maybe a couple thousand non-mutant superhumans excluding the Inhumans, once you start taking them out they can't really be effectively replaced but even being able to put out a few hundred Sentinels per year would cause a massive shift in power over the long run, as even a basic Sentinel is capable of killing the vast majority of mutants, and a decent number of X-Men too.

Yeah, im not down.

Past lives sort of implies moving through time. If moira kept showing up in different eras, ok.
This sounds like Moira is in Punxsutawney and its Groundhog day. It wouldnt matter what she does, she could save mutantkind, shed be reborn and have to start all over again. And if they link her rebirths/power to the prosperity of mutantkind, thats pretty bad writing since its yet ANOTHER mutant messiah.

The appeal of Mctaggart was that she was human, remarkable even among the mutants for her mind and compassion.
Of this is true, it just sounds like exactly what the Xmen do not need: complicated regurgitation.

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>complicated regurgitation
dude, have you ever tried to write a bio of peter parker? these character are being published for over 50 years, at this point you can either be frustrated, or just enjoy the ride without overthinking it too much?

Lets see. So far we've gotten a non-mutant character retconned into being a mutant, a secret history retconned for that character, said character is now of vital importance to the entire franchise, and a timeline that has been condensed so much that a lot of characters can't possibly be legal adults, much less old enough to drink.

AND I WOULDN'T WANT IT ANY OTHER WAY

So is life 10 supposed to be the current marvel universe?

I feel like 6th is the current, hence redacted

cont. that way hickman can have a cake and eat it too, ie. write the ultimate / final x-men story, without it being actually final

There is a difference between ignoring some things and not worrying about it, and openly claiming that everything that has ever happened to these characters happened within 5 years. A nebulous period of time that has all the characters as generically adult allows one to overlook the amount of shit a character like Peter Parker has gone through. In comparison, if you tried to say that all of Peter's history took place over five years (which by extension the X-Men retcon does because of crossovers/events) then Peter is 20 years old and has somehow managed to fit in a college degree, masters degree, marriage, and Satan divorce all in the same time. Not just him, but chunks of his supporting cast too - minus the Satan divorce. The Clone Saga apparently was just a really bad week for Peter.

That was written by a different X-Men writer.

Why are you people still theorizing this? Moira’s last life is already confirmed to be the House of X timeline.

but the house of x timeline is not 616 timeline

Because the HoX timeline isn't necessarily the 616 timeline. It's entirely possible we're looking at another AoA situation, just with different marketing and setup. As pointed out, it would allow Hickman to write the "canon" future of all X-Men properties in perpetuity.

Fuck you. I will not turn off my brain.

I was promised a fresh status quo that will reign for years to come (another frequent tag line/lie) and what im seeing is they took a supporting character, gave it powers and created another mutant messiah. Old and tired tropes. And the basic premise means that nothing she does matters, she'll just be born and have to start again.
I will not ignore what i dont like and simply consume.

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>I was promised a fresh status quo that will reign for years to come
>Old and tired tropes instead
And the punishment fits the crime! You were a fool to believe that!

>Peggy Sue fic gives a character, usually at the end of a story or series, the chance to go back and relive her/his life with the knowledge he gained from living through his story the first time. This sometimes uses a Death Fic-type setup as a starting point
Peggy Sue =/= Mary Sue.

I never implied i did, i expressed my distaste. I dont miss out on things i dont like, Marvel misses out on sales, user.
Its demonstrably a fact that this constant repetition isnt working since sales only go down. In a dying medium, they keep doing the same thing and keep dying.

>Why do you post spoilers without a storytime? You're a rotten piece of shit, fuck you.
it's tueday

I think the worst part is that given what information we have, we can kinda guess what the endgame is. Xavier and Moira use telepathy to force all mutants to side with them, then use the reality warpers to reduce humanity to animals.

user, Let me tell you something. It's going to get worse, as a matter of fact, it's going to get catastrophically worse. But it's fine, because it was all shit from the day one. Stan Lee and Kirby were lazy retards. This whole world is not worth a spit, and I'm glad that it's slowly dying. Hopefully, the ride will end soon

kinky, I like that

Nightcrawler has two dicks too

Ten years, you are confusing it with the condensed timeline of Batman - that was five years.
It is the sliding timeline, either you eccept it or you don't, we have been there before.

This sounds like a OMD scenario.

Those tend to be pretty great.

>sliding timeline
>with Magneto as a holocaust survivor

Uh huh.
Its convoluted shit is what it is, user.

Nothing that can't be explained with the use of the Nick Fury's serum.

No, Xavier's history was condensed to 10 years with the X-Men's history being condensed to 5 years.

>IT WAS ME BARRY I WAS THE ONE WHO MADE THE SENTINELS SHOW UP

How many times has Magneto been de-aged?

Does that mean that Astonishing, where Xavier became X, also wasn't 616?

a better one

So House of X and the Dawn of X titles are all gonna be an AU for you?

Or turning him into a baby, or cloning him or any other bullshit, eh, user?

>just when you thought the Xmen continuity couldnt get worse, they promise to fix it and just go full Nu52 with it

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>bullshit

If you wanted adherence to real life, you shouldn't have read capeshit to begin with.

user, its not one of the other.
Fuck your extremes and the false dichotomy you're selling.

Thanks, fuck you too.

Fucking this, you could literally achieve anything that way and have the time of your lifes doing so.

>House of X is a flash-forward, of sorts, to Moira's 10th life, and it will always loom there in the future, without actually coming, since we will always remain with 616, Moira's 6th life
I can totally see that happening

Something is obviously wrong with that summary. The first issue clearly established year 0 as 10 years in the past.

Oh no, it's worse because the Nu52 didn't really have to account for most of its characters originating as teens or children. Just try to reconcile Maddie Pryor and Cable with only 2 years between X-Men #1 and Morrison.

Birth is supposed to increase possibly exponentially % wise. Humanity is supposed to have 20 years left at this point because humans only have mutant children at a point. Or thats how I understood it. Which makes the x2 war future weird since that was humans bringing a mutant to Nimrod the lesser. Unless they switch to vat grown humans somehow?

Kek. Shitposting from beyond the grave is a great use of a Mutant power.

Nimrod the lesser is in x^2 and he creates an AI that turns out to be Nimrod the greater in x^3. I think the AIs make more AIs who see things from a new perspective and make the switch possible. The fact that the Shiar are lead by a half earth mutant empress also brings them under Shiar protecting it seems.

That hybrid mutant with the sword was 4th gen I think? 5 powers really powerful. Its implied they went toe to toe with the alliance then and would have won with the next gen if it wast sabotage.

Is Xavier Nimrod and the Librarian?

Didn't Logan mention Xavier as "the old man" in x2?

I take the x x^2 x^3 to be approx times . Like x could be 14 years not 10. hell maybe 20.

He just said the "Old man." Not confirmed, at least not yet...

That is x^3 and we dont know who the old man is yet.

We don't k ow who the 'old man's is.Could be Xavier or someone else.

No wait its x^2 im retarded.

>That is x^3
No it's not, x3 is the librarian, the Nimrod drone, and the garden of Eden 2.0. Logan is in x2, he was talking to metal magik.

The problem is that going by the numbers, you could have every new birth be a mutant and humans would still be the dominant species in 20 years simply due to existing populations. The only way humans have only 20 years left is if there is a mass die-off. Furthermore, an exponential growth in mutant births would leave too many mutants to corral into a singular vision. The only logical explanation for mutants becoming the dominant species in 20 years is that Trask was right. This is in turn complicated by the fact that mutants don't breed true.

fuck off casual

He only knows everything from the previous timelines. Presumably, the entire point of this is to make changes within the current timeline.

so she can be reborn is past time periods?

Quicksilver was in all 3 X-Factor books, the first one from 1991 to 1993, the second one not as part of the regular cast, but as a villain from 2006 to 2008, and All-New X-Factor from 2013 to 2014. There was also his time on Magneto's Genosha from 1999 to 2001. His first time with X-Factor is the most popular and memorable, but all of these periods added together are a lot less than the time he spent with the Avengers. His time with the Inhumans was largely time spent retired and in limbo.

It's like groundhog's day.

he also was part of Fatal Attractions, while Wanda wasn't, even if he was an Avenger at that time. Not to mention he was important during AoA and HoM timelines

Moira died before the Genoshan genocide, Mystique killed her, then the X-Men forgot about it and kept trusting Mystique and letting her join them.

To be fair, when I look at his time with the Avengers, it wasn't really that much, during the first 100 issues he was for like less than 40? With some appearances as a villain. He later was a villain in WCA, then he returned during Proctor Saga, and Davis run, and that was it, until Uncanny Avengers. Wanda certainly became a crucial member, but even she had a long breaks from avenging

What the hell is with this sameface?

>109177863
You gotta be baiting

Some Sentinels have 3 faces AND better powers.

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Fucking this. Nothing is impossible if you can a have fucking reset button and the drive.

That's a tail, user.

that's what they all say

We don't even know yet if that is Logan, or one of the hybrids that happens to look like him.

>he also was part of Fatal Attractions, while Wanda wasn't, even if he was an Avenger at that time.
That was the end of his time on X-Factor, just before he returned to the Avengers.
>He later was a villain in WCA, then he returned during Proctor Saga, and Davis run, and that was it, until Uncanny Avengers.
From 2009 to 2012 he was in Slott's Mighty Avengers, then in Avengers Academy.
>Wanda certainly became a crucial member, but even she had a long breaks from avenging
Before Bendis, her two attempts at retirement in the 1980s were the only times she was away from the Avengers for long.

Which X-men has the largest member?

franklin

>That was the end of his time on X-Factor,
it was after that, it happened concurrently to Proctor Saga. He was part of Mighty Avengers for a very very very short time, like 8 issues. I give you Avengers Academy, I forgot about that.

>Before Bendis,
and after Bendis, she barely been an avenger.

maggott's got two

How....did you gleam that from what we know?

Juggernaut is the largest member of the X-Men, he's got to be about 8 foot tall. If Apocalypse is joining, he may be even bigger.

>Mystique kills Moira
>Destiny threatens to kill her before she turns 13
>Pyro burns her to death
>Moira and Xavier create the Nation of Krakoa and let Raven and St. John join

>She's been dead so long, that I don't have any pics saved of Moira, so here's Wanda with her tits out.
>based user keeping his priorities in order

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Mystique

The 1980s and 1990s X-books were doing metaphors and allegories for every notable bad thing that had happened to Jews, blacks and gays, it was impossible to single out one story and say mutants = gays and aren't a metaphor for anybody else because there was always something else happening.

The Legacy Virus itself was airborne and not transmitted through contact with mutants, Moira caught it due to her work trying to find a cure exposing her to it, while thinking it couldn't affect her.

The story actually was that the virus spreads to humans and the public aren't aware of how it works and there is widespread mistaken belief that all mutants have it and associating with them can infect you.
The virus having been released into the atmosphere meant there was no specific way mutants got infected other than bad luck.

Quicksilver was a pet character of Bob Harras, the X-Men editor/Avengers writer, so he was used in both franchises a lot during the '90s.

Wanda was mostly in West Coast Avengers, which was handled by a separate editorial team from Avengers, so they would have had to get special permission to use her, while Quicksilver benefited from the racket of having editors write each other's comics.

The result is Quicksilver really does seem to be as much an X-Men character as an Avengers character. His sister not so much.

>some serious Deus Ex Machina happening
Hackman's gonna hack, user.

>Franklin Richards was born several years before he was born.
I've been watching Legion on FX and this makes much more sense than it should.

>Well put, to this day I haven't read a single compelling argument to have her back as a mutant, Quicksilver has a certain closeness to Magneto that Wanda doesn't agree he STILL is more of an Avengers than mutants. It just doesn't work.
An argument can be made for Pietro, but then it's just dragging Wanda along with him. The nearest thing to an argument for her 'needing' to be a mutant or Magneto's daughter is that it was canon for so long and is something even casuals know about her. Wanda appeared so rarely in X-books, and when she did it was usually as a plot device, or in AUs where she would die a tragic death to inspire Magneto to be better. Her own fans know she has her own history and lore, severing any ties with the X-books benefits her, and stops them from doing more damage.

Some panel scans

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I think the guy you're responding to is correct. Moira 4 lived out a life pretty similar to the current timeline, down to the Phoenix 5 being a thing. The current timeline being so similar can't be a coincidence.

My interpretation is that Moira and Xavier intentionally steered things to recreate the events of Moira's fourth life because it had the elements they need for that plan.

Remind me again why Loki created that. What’s he have against mutants?

>Edge of Tomorrow
>on paper
Okay.

This is truly insanity. I believe Moira must have lost her mind after repeating her life all these times.

I believe mutants will end up in the worst scenario possible after this.

>6.This life is redacted.
She decided "Fuck this! I'm tired! I'll just have fun instead since everything will restart again eventually." and goes on a sex-spree, fucking all mutants possible at the same time

>seburo pistol
Raven gets all the cool toys from her DARPA gig

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But that already exist, user.

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I appreciate the use of Pyro because Pyro is underrated

Hickman fucking sucks. You niggers actually thought things were going to get better but no it's the typical new X-Men writer wankery bullshit of "wow look at me I'm redefining everything forever" that'll get ignored and quietly retconned away once Hickman's gone.

Not him Moira's fucking thing was being one of humanity's biggest advocates for mutants and the idea of mutant/human coexistence just by the very nature of her relationship with Xavier. To make her a mutant literally defeats the entire purpose of her character. Now she's just another one of Hickman's stock dickheaded harbinger characters.

It makes no sense but when has that ever stopped a Big Name Writer with an egotistical belief in the fact that their story is the right -- and only -- story before?

It's weird because Jean watched Moira die

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Basically we create our own version of the phalanx sans the techno-organic virus.

Note that the majority of the DoFP variants barely include human beings. It's really just sentinels imposing themselves on everyone

It's just another X-Men AU, they are an acquired taste.

Foundation did asymmetric future history?

>one note character
>has even appeared in 3 x-men movies
Casual radar is going off the chart.

Never think about the implications of Gillen's YA run. Wiccan is a reincarnation that was born before his original version and only exists because a future version of himself (from his perspective, not the original version) rewrote all of history and reality into a self-insert OC fic.

Officially Loki was lying about Wiccan creating Hulking, right?

This is fucking retarded

This is dumb and aping numerous manga. It's too bad I liked the first issue.

IIRC, there is nothing about the run that has been altered canonically.

I don't give a shit about canon or retcons. I just wanted a good story. But they are making this whole series a canon revision. Fuck.

yeah...this is an alternate timeline the real xmen are in probably not in her current life aka this shit event
i'm going to drop this and stick with uncanny xmen
the first issue was terrible btw, it shits on everything xavier stood for

bruh lmao

all you need is kill

Gay

but not in a fun way

A combination of sheer dumb luck and time travellers seeding sentinel technology.

besides moira being randomly made an omega(?) level mutant she also has been made very dumb
there are million different things she could have done
sasuga, hickman

He made Gambit so that he'd have a mutant body. I sincerely doubt that Sinister's current body hasn't been a restart of that old project.

FUCK THE KNICKS!

Sounds suspiciously similar to Deadpool's daughter.
I give it less than a decade before Wade discovers his scottish heritage.

She only appeared in one.

how come cyclops just left sabretooth hanging like that?

Regular scientists? Sure. Super scientists? They got those by the continent. I suspect all the stupid people in this world are considered regular scientists in the Marvel Universe.

When did Pixie get that? I usually remember little secondary powers like that.

X-Men 3, First Class, and Apocalypse are only one movie now?

She was in X-Men 3?

Sinister did not create Gambit. X-Men The End is not canon.

It wasn't made to fight mutants, it was made for a world-destroying rampage after the Acts of Vengeance event because Loki didn't like losing.

Juggs was implied to have mutant potential in multiple different series.

>All girls with self-repeating powers end up being wade's kids

dude was busy

>besides moira being randomly made an omega(?) level mutant
I see we’re just making shit up now

>It also means that Moira 10 is either alive right now or is going to be resurrected.
She doesn't even need to be dead, if the theory about her 6th life being 616 as we know it is correct.

I think I know where this is going.

LARRY TRASK! Bolivar's mutant son was a psychic. That's why the Sentinels are such a threat. They were programmed by a precognitive.

I think the old man is Apocalypse

The Legacy Virus itself was airborne and not transmitted through contact with mutants, Moira caught it due to her work trying to find a cure exposing her to it, while thinking it couldn't affect her.

THANK YOU! That's why it makes sense! Sinister opened a cannister containing the virus (which he got from Stryfe) and mutants caught the virus from BREATHING!