>create interesting character that has great chemistry both regular and romantic with the protagonist
>have protagonist still end up with unlikeable bland love interest
For what purpose? Why do creators seem so intent to have their characters end up with the love interest they originally envisioned even if it comes off as completely stale?
blame season 3. they pretty much got rid of her that season outside of about 2 episodes in shifted the focus to mayor vlad and the sammy bs
Racism
>unlikeable bland love interest
This is revisionism and cope.
Sam was one of the most popular characters in Danny Phantom's fandom when it was airing. No one gave a shit about Magical Techno Negro: Female Edition.
Sam may have had flaws and cringey moments, but that is part and parcel with Hartman's shows. The more a character is on screen, the more likely they're going to be written in a way that downright misses. Val avoided this mostly because she was IRRELEVANT.
Something about Butch Hartman shows always attracts shippers who refuse to just take an L.
Based Butch knows racemixing is wrong.
but sam isn't white
she black
She's whiter than Val, that's all that matters.
Danny/Val was ranked well below Sam, well below Vlad/Danny fujoshits, and even Paulina/Danny had more support.
Daily reminder that Danny Phantom was a mediocre to terrible show that people only watched for the ghost waifus and hot mom
>HART MAN BAD
I feel like Danny Phantom as a premise had lots of potential, but was never really able to escape its more Saturday morning cartoonish trappings to explore its long-running story arcs and characters in a more in-depth way.
But that's just speaking as an adult after the fact.
>people only watched for the ghost waifus and hot mom
Where do you think you are?
It was actually very popular with girls back in the day.
Ultimate Enemy is unironically pretty good. No other episode seems to come close to it and falls into exactly what you mentioned but some are enjoyable if you can bear with the below average moments.
Was there any reason given for why Danny's ghost half was pure evil? Is it just the idea that his human half kept the morality of his ghost half in check?
>gothbot
Oh fuck my dick
Sam is one of (((them))), that is why she is rich AF and try really hard to introduce her ideas over all people
The trauma he'd suffered may have corrupted the ghostness perhaps
>was there any reason that
First you must accept that there is no consistent DP lore or mechanics due to Butch’s contestant retcons and rewrites even before season 3. So everything involved some degree of speculation.
That being said I assumed it was because Danny’s ghost half was driven mad the same way his human half was only where the human half was mad with grief his ghost half went mad with uncontrollable rage which is why he’s so bent on destroying everything in the future.
White Male/Black Female relationships in all media are scarce. It's almost an actual conspiracy that the only "acceptable" interracial relationships are Black Male/White Female.
Go ahead. Name a WMBF relationship from a TV show or a movie released in the past five years that actually stuck. Then name a show or movie in the past two years that featured a BMWF relationship.
My best theoretical example is the 2015 "Fantastic Four" film, where Johnny Storm was recast as a black male, but Reed Richards and Sue Storm remained a white male and female, respectively, with Sue being an adopted sister to Johnny. Why? Because if Sue were black, then Reed would be a white man in a relationship with a black woman.
Pic Related; Don't forget what they took from you.
>Vlad/danny fujoshits
nani!!!?
Barry/Iris in CW’s The Flash
>he doesn’t know
Moralfags weren’t a thing in fan communities fifteen years ago so fujoships between kids and adults were pretty common.
Whoops, my bad.
Well, I still feel like WMBF erasure is a thing. And if it's not, then they're damn well still pretending that they don't exist.
Based Desiree chad laying down the facts.
Spider-Man Far From Home, retard.
I would rather see a reboot of the original show that took itself slightly more seriously while still keeping the humor with better action animation then one set 10 years in the future with the same atmosphere.
>he doesn't know about Pompous Pep
The penultimo redpill is realizing that Desiree was best girl and did nothing wrong.
I always felt bad that they didn't do more with Desiree, considering that she's one of the few ghosts who gets a tragic backstory behind some of her motivations. Dying of a broken heart and wandering the world forced to grant monkey paw wishes.
Steve Marmel left, leaving Butchy free reign
Why do you use a trip
They probably avoided doing stuff with Desiree exactly BECAUSE she had a tragic backstory, since they moved over to the "ghosts aren't actually dead people" thing in later seasons.
I thought it was a dope show but it never had a chance to reach its full potential under Hartman
Yeah, I think that'd be a good way to iron out some of the issues it had while still picking up on the old plot threads that were never resolved.
Though if a reboot were to happen I'd sooner expect it go full quirky comedy before expecting another Batman TAS.
Butch effectively rendered her unusable by giving her a fatal weakness: she must grant ALL wishes made of her, including self-defeating wishes. Good luck making any kind of plot with Desiree when Danny can end her in two seconds by just wishing her into a thermos.
I'd wish her into marriage with myself.
>REE PEOPLE POST WAIFUS FROM THIS SHOW ON Yea Forums NOWADAYS (LIKE ALMOST EVERY OTHER SHOW TALKED ABOUT ON Yea Forums, FOR THAT MATTER), THAT MEANS THAT'S THE ONLY REASON ANYONE EVER LIKED IT!!!
So can you just admit any show with waifus is automatically shit to you people already?
It wasn't, they literally explain this point blank with narration in the show. Danny tore out his ghost self which contained all of his pain, which then ripped out Vlad's ghost half and fused with it, at which point Vlad's evil corrupted the fusion and created Dan.
That was lame. There was a lot they could have done with the different villain motivations, but it just kind of boiled down to them being evil punching bags of the week in the end.
Once ghosts become extra dimensional monsters all human backstory couldn’t be touched on again.
When?
As a kid, I didn't for DP outside of Val and Danny/Val. Was disappointed when they went the obvious Danny/Sam route.
I feel like they should've just made different classifications for ghosts. Like there are some that are former dead people, like Ember and Desiree, and some of them are more like avatars, concepts made manifest--like Clockwork, Pandora, and the Fright Knight.
>Like there are some that are former dead people, like Ember
Ember was never actually confirmed or denied to have been human.
There was an interview where the directors confirmed she died in a house fire, I guess they never got around to putting it in the show.
One of the directors of the show said she died in a house fire and wrote her music out of fear of being forgotten, but they never touched upon it in her actual episodes.
By the time Ember was introduced, they had already dropped the idea that the ghosts were dead people.
Well first of all, no that didn't start until season 2. Second, holy shit I could have sworn that was like one of the first 3 episodes along with poindexter's but they're both like mid and quarter way through the first season respectively.
>Well first of all, no that didn't start until season 2.
They started it very shortly after Vlad's debut. I think the ghost dog was the last-ever ghost outright implied to have once been living (formerly a guard dog for the labs before they got rid of them all).
The main romances in both Far From Home and Homecoming have Peter wanting to fuck black chicks.
I would love a reboot by old creators without Hartman involved.
Wasn't this disproven on Hartman's channel? I recall him clarifying that they weren't supposed to be the ghost of real people, ie, Abraham Lincoln or someone. Ghosts of made up people like the nerd kid or Desiree are fair game.
Either way, it was never really brought up in the cartoon itself that they weren't ghosts. The writing of season 3 was shitty for entirely different reasons, mainly because they knew they were getting cancelled.
>Weren't supposed to be ghosts of real people
Well then why did he explicitly give like four different ghosts backstories from their actual life?
Real people as in people from OUR real world, nigga
Oh, for some reason I read "Far From Home" as "Into The Spider-Verse".
I'm retarded.
The show had fun antagonists.
Favorites were probably Spectra, Walker, Ember, and Johnny 13.
Wanted to like Vlad, but thought he became a bit of a joke over time.
Vlad was great at first and would've been better if they kept him as a vampire.
Technus was always fun. I also liked Desiree because of course I did and wished she got more development.
Early season Vlad where he was genuinely torn between desperately wanting Danny as an apprentice and somehow still seeing him as an enemy was interesting. Halfway between season 2 they dropped the ball and turned him into a one dimensional want to take over the earth type unfortunately. As a kid I legit thought they were going to pull a redemption arc with him after his role in Reign Storm.
Meh
Live action movie someday is most likely.
Her and Jasmine are better friends to Danny than Sam and Tucker.
>Until Butch ruined it by saying they were never dead
Was she supposed to be not-Green Goblin or not-Rocket Racer?
Show being in the same block as Avatar and probably wouldn't reflect well on much distancing from the broader worldcrafting angle.
Because creators have settled all of their lives, they see it fit for their own characters to do so.
When I watched it for the first time, I was rooting for the opposite, DannyXSam, what people call today "a Cliche".
However I watched the show again, and to my mixed feelings, I've realized that DannyXValerie wasn't gonna take off because of the the whole ghost identity thing.
I mean sure, she thought she was protecting him, but she hid it from him, which was the sign that Danny was better off with the person who's fine with what he's. And it was Sam.
Any good fanart?
Nah.
One off Netflix special in several years is more likely. Without Hartman involved, of course.
Part of me wonders if things would have improved if Sam and Tucker weren't really part of the main dynamic. At least not at first.
They could have emphasized Danny's isolation at school and focused more on his relationship with his family, and eventual interactions with Val, and maybe Dani.
Could have potential.
>blame season 3
good advice
a lot of shows have a pairing that is the official gonnahappen one, so official that the creators forget they have to justify it in character terms so it's kinda one note
val was thic