Why did they add this character? I didn't mind her. She just seems like a weird addition

Why did they add this character? I didn't mind her. She just seems like a weird addition.

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They wanted a Robin character for Terry.

Terry was already like a robin though.

Big perky black tits

Retard.

He needed a friend who was his own age who he could confide in about being a superhero.

Terry was batman and bruce was oracle/alfred

You mean two additions?

Redhead representation.

They wanted Terry to have someone to bounce off of when it came to hero shit that wasn't a decrepit old fart (Bruce, Babs) and getting his girlfriend involved when a) Terry has shown multiple times he doesn't want her to get involved and b) isn't good with computers or sleuthing would have been a terrible move, not to mention a huge cliche.
It also helps solidify the idea that this is a new generation of the Bat, somebody's gonna have to run command center when Bruce gets old to do even that, there's even a few episodes where he's not even there so it's just those two pulling night shift.

I think the idea was to give Terry a Richie to his Static, and maybe also use her for some contrived romance drama plots.
Didn't mind her much either way though she wasn't that bad and wasn't even in it much.

>sause - read it on toonzone long time ago.
oh damn, what a reliable source. A vague memory of a fanpost on a forum from years ago

That would explain why she was curiously absent from the movie and Justice League episodes.

Based meddling suits.

>She just seems like a weird addition.
tell us
what's weird about her?

>no tragic backstory
>no acrobatic skills

Mad stan>willie wyatt>inque>charmcaster>blight>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>all the other villains

>Charmcaster
Why did you include a Ben 10 character? Anyways, I personally liked Shriek. His creative uses for his sound weaponry made for very interesting scenarios.

Season 1 Max was little more than a background character so even though this smells like bullshit, I believe it.

But if the show crew hated her so much, why was she better than Dana in every schway?

>The way Bruce treats her is what the showrunners actually think of her.
Beyond Bruce is so gay he died a malding ass incel and his DNA clone son has Asian parents and an Irish surname.
Fuck Batman, indeed.

She wasn’t in season 1.

Terry didn't have a tragic backstory either until Episode 2.
besides, you don't need all that if you're the "stay in school" support character. somebody has to do Terry's homework and hand it in to keep his truant ass from being expelled.

unnamed background character. check the hallway scenes.

>But if the show crew hated her so much, why was she better than Dana in every schway?
Because she ate all the screentime they could've used to develop Dana's character, and they said they regret not doing more with her.

Terry didn't become Batman until his Dad died. Tim was a street urchin whose Dad was killed by Two-Face.
Dick had his parent killed by Tony Zucco because of a protection racket.
The Batwomen were all in some way connected with a crime organization and had reasons to stop it.
The Phantom lost her Dad to the Joker.
Barbara...I forgot.

But yeah, Maxine had no real motivation which is probably why she doesn't become as invested in Terry's crimefighting much in the future. I mean, sure she was bullied but it kinda pales in comparison to the people I mentioned above.

I think it’s more that Terry didn’t have any close friends besides Dana in Season 1 and then Max shows up out of nowhere in Season 2 like she’s one of Terry’s best friends.

Bruce Timm posts on Toonzone occasionally.

I used to frequent that site back in 2010-2013 or so. Trust me. His username was b.t.

>Trust me
Dont worry dude i trust you. My dad works at nintendo and no one here believes me when i tell them:

This
Also this. Terry is too much like the sidekick in his own show. Adding Max helped this a little. Would have liked to see her get involved in a more active way though.

Mmmmmm... chocolate titties.

>Make her the love interest
Max was clearly gay, user.

Honestly I think it's just that everyone was sick of hearing Cree Summer.

I was being completely serious. Bruce Timm has posted on Toonzone.

Google it if you don't believe me.

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>all the screentime they could've used to develop Dana's character, and they said they regret not doing more with her.
No amount of extra padding would make Veronica any more compelling and relatable a character.
She's hot, she's rich and she's perpetually on the rag because MC stood her up AGAIN with a shitty explanation and a half-ass apology"
>Season 2 had plans to get Dana a job at Wayne-Powers as a lab assistant where she inadvertently becomes key to helping Blight fight Terry and Bruce but dem gawdang EXECS forced us to scrap it for more MAX reeeeeeee

Barbara is a police commissioners' daughter and is horny for action. She didn't really have a "tragic" backstory until Killing Joke.

>Max shows up out of nowhere in Season 2 like she’s one of Terry’s best friends.
But that's wrong.
Max isn't Terry's best friend. Max is a nosy bitch that found out Batman was Terry. They became friends, they didn't start out that way.

If the suits were forcing them to have a strong female character involved in the action, why didn't they just make it Dana if they really regret making her such a useless piece of shit? I doubt the suits literally picked out the background character and told them to expand on her.

He probably Spellbinder. lol

it's because user is attempting to weave a revisionist narrative of "muh execs forced muhnority fem dyke character" ruining his show about Batman adding yet another black haired blue eyed white boy to his collection.

if they wanted Terry to have his own Robin or Batgirl in the show then they wouldn't have made Terry a Spider-Man clone to begin with.
Max isn't his "Alfred", she's his Betty Brant.
From the MTV Spider-Man.

Biggest boobs in the DCAU. Prove me wrong.

Basically, for a time the DCAU staff did indeed post at Toonzone, interacted with fans, etc. For instance, I believe Superman losing the lines on his face after the first season of Justice League was credited to TZ posters saying they made him look too old/exhausted.

However, what ended all that was someone getting over familiar and making a joke that Dwayne McDuffie took as racist. He made an angry post about how disgusted he was and that he wouldn't be posting at TZ again. His colleagues did likewise.

I want to see the joke but I’m guessing it was deleted.

Spotted the posers who did not watch the show. Terry was so dangerously close to solo that he actually accumulated a kill count and also finds other ways of creating fates worse than death

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McDuffie was such a fucking whiny nigger.

Giantess is cheating and everyone knows this.

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I thought she was going to become Batgirl, but nope.

I actually liked Max alot. Dana felt like such a bland character in comparison. Heck, I thought Chelsea was a more interesting character than Dana, especially after her father sent her to that facility for troubled youths and she was abused. I mean, she seemed so happy that Terry of all people visited her when no one else seemed to, so I always that it sucked that they didn't do more with that after the fact.

It was fun watching her get thrown around like a ragdoll but they kinda did that with every character in the show as well.

One of the Jokers tried to kill Max for scoring better than him on a test. I feel she's qualified enough to be involved.

erbody need some foxxy love

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It's possible to be a woman with short, dyed hair and not be lesbian, user

Plus it was a show about what the future would be like. They used made up slang and had fads like splicing dna with animals. So yeah, short died pink hair seems normal.

>Cool, dark cyberpunk setting
>make one of the most recurring villains a snake cult
Lame.

this, you can also be bisexual which is basically a lesbian

i remember watching this and finding it weird that they purposely made her boobs bigger than like everyone elses in the show. how old is she even supposed to be?

7/10 made me smirk

IIRC, it was a photoshop that made McDuffie's bottom lips look big. A racial caricature. It didn't help that a frquent mod (the Marvel Animation one) laughed at it as well. Bird Boy closed the thread, but the damage was done.

>Spotted the posers
Fuck you. I watched during the initial run and have the entire series on dvd. I've watched multiple times. My assessment is that Terry never truly breaks out of Bruce's shadow.

I'm not basing that on her physical appearance you dope

Must've been on your phone then buddy. Your headcanon is just that. It's a good series, definitely try to give it a watch. Terry is no Robin

His bottom lip is pretty big.

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WB demanded a stronger female presence.

Which is why she was shit.

Didn't say he was a Robin, learn to read please. Terry never truly breaks put on hos own. Bruce is constantly in his ear and is arguably the main character despite it being Terry's show.

Also, we didn't have cell phones in 1998 shithead.

it was cool when the hypno villain got her addicted to VR so much that she captured Terry for him to get back to it

See, saying stuff like Bruce is arguably the main character is just wrong. Receiving help does not stop you from being on your own. Which he was without a doubt.
Yeah I know I'm just calling out the fact that you obviously didn't pay attention dumbass

Bad armpit smells.

I wish Melanie had a bigger role.

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>is just wrong
No, there's a case to be made. Everything focuses on Bruce and his history, while everything involving Terry comes off as forced and tacky. Terry is taking up Bruce's mantle rather than creating his own. Bruce is constantly telling him what to do rather than letting him make his own choices and mistakes.
>obviously didn't pay attention
Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I didn't absorb the same information, user. It is possible for two people to consume the same media and come away with different conclusions/perspectives. That you refuse to acknowledge this speaks either to incredible ignorance or arrogance on your part.

When I was 12 I used to have dreams about being tagteamed by the Harley twins in the lewdest of ways.

Terry never read that note.

Nice

I can't blame you, user.

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>forced and tacky
>Terry is taking up Bruce's mantle instead of creating his own
Ah. I see. I guess you consider terry as another miles. Okay friend, you don't like torch passing stories and that's okay.

>another miles
Wrong. Miles is actually a better example of passing the torch since Peter died before Miles took up the Spider-Man mantle. I'm fine with those stories but they never truly committed to making BB Terry's story because Bruce is constantly around. If they had killed off Bruce at the end of season 1 that might have allowed them to get away from the older shows.

Kek and I like miles. Alright you will like and think what you like and think I guess.

Which one's the boy?

Agreed

Yes

I know why you don't understand but the simple fact is that people have friends and it's unrealistic to portray a normal person without them.

I think Wonder Woman beats her out.

Stop this meme.

>Bruce making Terry soup and getting mad that it went cold will always be one of my favorite moments.
Fucking hated that episode. It shat all over Terry just to make Bruce even more special. Fuck that noise.

>The show crew hated her and rightfully thought she was detrimental to the core of the show - relationship between Bruce and Terry.
Lol. Fuck the crew.
Nice going suits, this time you did the right thing!

>It shat all over Terry just to make Bruce even more special.
Not nearly as bad as Terry turning out to be a batman clone.

What seems weird to me is that they never did "Dana thinks Terry and Max are sleeping with each other behind her back episode".

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Dana never learned about Ten either. She was blissfully ignorant of everything.

Holy fuck, DC. Holy fuck.

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I honestly can't tell why people like this. It really undermines everything that made Terry great. Him being from a different background to Bruce, having different strengths and methods but still earning the Batman title. All that goes up in smoke because he was designed to be a replacement to Mary Sue Batman.

Because Batman. That's it.
Batman is a character that is detrimental to any other that is in the same panel as he is.

>What seems weird to me is that they never did "Dana thinks Terry and Max are sleeping with each other behind her back episode".
It seems weirder to me that they didn't, but I can easily see Terry being low-key racist with no appreciation for all that full body mocha bean.

That's racist as fuck.

It was that weird period of the 90s/early 00s where every show had an extra character added in later seasons that was voiced by Cree Summers.

Don't ask why, it was just a thing.

Because they needed an attractive female character and Terry's girlfriend was such shit they allowed him to cheat on her.

(()) couldnt have a tv show without black people shoehorned in

Matt is already Robin.

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>Making Terry even more like Bruce

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Seinfeld.

and the creator caught trouble for that forever

Jackie Chiles? Or do you mean main character?

which creator?
Jerry Seinfeld the multi-millionaire?
or Larry David, the multi-millionaire...?

oh wait, you probably mean Ted Danson.

larry david, he actually caught trouble for it for not having enough blacks in Seinfeld

isn't Max a confirmed lesbian in some Batman Beyond comics?

I knew there was a Batman Beyond comic where it showed what happened to Dick Grayson but never anything beyond that.

Friends was criticized too because it took place in New York and had an all-white cast. They tried to fix it by giving Ross a black girlfriend for a while and adding in more minorities as minor characters and extras.

I wish there are more porn of her.

>larry david, he actually caught trouble for it for not having enough blacks in Seinfeld
Oh?
And what did they do to him? How was he punished?
(Aside from making him the wealthiest comedian next to Seinfeld himself...)
"Trouble" is better exemplified by Michael Richards, don't you think?
(who is still a multi-millionaire himself, btw.)

Terry was gud boi and just wanted to start a family with his waifu

Terry? Racist? I can't think of that being a thing in an episode.

Dana knew Max was into girls so it didn't even register.

>and she's perpetually on the rag because MC stood her up AGAIN with a shitty explanation and a half-ass apology"

Yeah. How dare a girlfriend get mad when her boyfriend stands her up with no excuse. Dana was a goddamn saint for putting up with even a fraction of Terry's BS.

Its so weird how they revisited Dana in Epilogue but Max was nowhere to be found. Not that I wanted them to ever hook up, but she's way more integral to the show's identity than Dana is.

Also, she has one of the most unique character designs on the show.

Max isn't in Return of the Joker either. I don't know if the writers didn't care about her or couldn't fit her into the plot.

Just wants to fuck a gorilla woman Shade is so much more fun than James Robinson's overly pretentious "so cultured and BRITISH" Shade from his overrated Starman run.

Impossible