Is it me or does the DC verse feel smaller now? It's mostly Batman brand characters dominating everything too

Hawkman. Fuck yeah.

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There are less Batman books than during the New 52. However there is just so much less of everything else.

Yep. We get introduced to a whole another multiverse and somehow the DC world feels even smaller than before. We going through some dark times where WB and DC fuck up big time pushing Batman down our throats.

worst thing the current hawkman run did was get rid of the stjepan sejic variant covers. a real shame.

Its funny how they have one book over 1000 and the rest sub 100, wouldn't the batman and superman books be close to 1000 as well? Has DC ever thought about trying to bring legacy numbering into it or is it just to far out of canon?

>When's the last time we saw say, Plastic Man in DC
Literally this year

No, Batman and Superman just passed 800 so if they had wanted to renumber those it would have happened around the 40's of the rebirth books. In Batman's case, I can't imagine there wasn't a discussion about making a massive #800 wedding issue.

They should trying reigning in and revitalizing older characters like with Morrison Animal Man But nope, the only new writers they can find now a days are straight from the fanfiction academy.
They can bring legacy numbering, since AC and DC both count them.

Are they supposed to be around 800 or did they also get weekly releases for a while like AC and DC?

Doing something important

They restored Superman to it’s numbering when they cancelled Adventures of Superman after Infinite Crisis. So there is definitely precedent. And like two years ago they did variant covers to acknowledge issue 800

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Dark Nights Metal?

He had a whole miniseries, it was decent.

Has Plastic Man ever done something "important"?

>The only books not in this crossover are Shazam and Green Lantern
>The two DC ongoings your buying
Feels good man

Well of course Shazam isn't crossing over cause there's like a 3 month delay on #7

Detective Comics was never weekly like Action Comics was. That’s how Action passed it in the first place, Detective is the older series. In the seventies it even became quarterly because it sold so bad compared to Action and they almost cancelled it to replace it with Batman Family.

You get my point, DC verse still feels underwhelming.

how the fuck did it hit 1000 then? I know that AC spent a year as a weekly release which bumped its number quite a bit but DC was only at 37 when it became the batman book so did they literally just bullshit it?

Justice league dark?

When will DC ever get writers like Gaiman, Moore and Morrison again for the future? I miss Vertigo. I I also miss JSA and other stuff, I wish DC would expand on their cosmic aspect like Marvel does. Marvel feels cramped but at least they try to focus on other characters besides Spider-Man brand names.

Double shipped for awhile

He had a solo and is currently with the terrifics

DC is at a point where a cartoon edgelord OC becomes a bigger name than the trinity. For fucks sake Joker, Harley and Batman should just become the new trinity fuck anyone else.

>Bat titles make up nearly half the catalog
>Jsa retconned out of existence
>No more elseworlds
>Alternate universe stuff lays fallow unless Morrison feels like using it
>Most legacy heroes absolutely dumpstered by silver-age obsessed editorial
>DC wildly dropping title count, not even trying to fight for shelf with Marvel
>Rafts of dead teen characters
>Bendis making a new Young Justice but filling it with oc characters without character

It is smaller, dude. It's way, way smaller and dimmer.

But it's ok. Barry is back. That and precious Hal are all that matters.

The JSA are on their way back.
It will probably suck tho

I agree, that really pissed me off
But at lease we got best boy jarro

>I wish DC would expand on their cosmic aspect like Marvel does. Marvel feels cramped but at least they try to focus on other characters besides Spider-Man brand names.
Every time they try to expand out with different things, the books bomb. Recently the entire New Age of Heroes or whatever books bombed. The Teriffic's is the only one that's continuing through a second year, and it's barely made it that far.
Cosmic's been a mess forever. They try to relaunch an old property every couple of years, and they always fail. Recently
The Death of Hawkman (2016)
>The Death of Hawkman #1 31,316
>The Death of Hawkman #6 13,053
This was originally an Adam Strange miniseries.
Threshold (2013)
>Threshold #1 29,312
>Threshold #8 8,725
This was by Giffen, the man who guided DC's cosmic stuff for decades, and then revitilized Marvel's with Annihilation.
Omega Men (2015)
>Omega Men #1 30,158
>Omega Men #12 8,218
This was specifically cancelled around #5 because of bad sales, but critical and fan pressure kept it going to an end.
The last non-Lantern book to last a while was 2008-2011's R.E.B.E.L.S. vol 2, and that only lasted because
>it was being written by a former DC editor
>it was one of Didio's favourite books

Barry and Hal arent shilled as much as Bat characters. Everything feels lifeless and underwhelming. Is DC really dying and they're clinging to the Bat name, their most popular brand, in desperation?

>>No more elseworlds
Oh there are "elseworlds"

The problem is most of them are Batman and some Superman.
Like ffs I think there's only like 4 Black Label books that were announced that weren't related to Bats or Supes? Two Wondy ones and History of the DC Universe (which got cancelled I think?) from earlier and that Question one.

That's not necessarily because of Batman but because Snyder is an incredibly shallow writer.

The Last God is Black Label and and not even DCU related, at least!

>This was by Giffen
Giffen is not infallible, he's been slipping as a writer since Doom patrol.

Nu52 killed fucking everything and they never bothered to replace any of it. Damage control with Rebirth and now we're stuck in a real shit situation with no good writers after they all left to work on other things

Well AT&T started gutting WB's shit which includes DC. They fired like 7 people and one of them was their trades marketer I think, ie that guy that hypes trades up and convinces retailers to buy them and trades used to be DC's bread and butter, especially in bookstores. But if you look at the latest Tilting at Windmills, DC has dropped to #8 western comics publisher after being #1 and #2 for years, which baffled even the writer of that column.

more like cuck yeah lol

>counting Deathstroke as a batman brand character.
Same with teen titans and Justice league, they're tangentially connected to Batman but are their own franchise.

>History of the DC Universe (which got cancelled I think?)
It's just hearsay that I've seen in a couple places, but I think that's been indefinitely suspended due to a lawsuit. A former Milestone guy (Michael Davis) pitched a very similar project to them in 2009. when Milestone was going to be integrated closely into the DCU. I think he's trying to sue them over it.

It used to be even worse before. See:
>BATMAN
>DETECTIVE COMICS
>SHADOW OF THE BAT
>LEGENDS OF THE DARK KNIGHT
>GOTHAM KNIGHTS
>ROBIN
>BATGIRL
>NIGHTWING
>BIRDS OF PREY
>OUTSIDERS
>TEEN TITANS
>YOUNG JUSTICE
>JLA
>odd Elseworlds
>several minis a month
The big difference is that before you had VERTIGO, you had great Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, and so on books. You had oddities like HITMAN or SIMON DARK. And so on.

Now? Nothing grabs your attention. There's very few quality book,so all you can remember are the Batman ones.

Nu52 actually had more genre variety than anything.

user most people think Deathstroke is a Batman villain after the Arkham games.

Well, a B-Lister like Plastic Man was probably a bad example.

Damn, DC isn't even apart of the "big two" anymore. Why does DC work with WB and AT&T if they get treated like shit?

This, no one buys it, so why bother?

>Justice League
Led by Batman sometimes and is funded by him. Batwank also dominates.
>Deathstroke
Created as enemy of teen titans who is led by ROBIN
>Teen titans
Founded and led by ROBIN.

Yep.

>Demon Knights
>I Vampire
>Voodoo
>Dial H
>All Star Western
>Sword of Sorcery
>Blackhawks

I mean most of these were cancelled pretty early on but they tried

And they're wrong. Have you actually been reading the title? It's major concerned is Slade as a character and how his sociopathic actions affects his family.

They've been completely owned by WB since around 1968. WB (and now AT&T) own the IP's

And they kept trying! They had like 4 different war books and they all sold the same amount.

And DCYou, of course.

Where is The Green Lantern? What the fuck? Morisson's run was awesome.

How does Marvel pull their cosmics off so well?

>the maybe 100,000 people total reading the Prieststroke book vs the few million people who played or watch people play the Batman Arkham games

Plus Young Animal and the upcoming Horror pop up hill house.

DC is publishing 36 titles right now. Next month two will end and three will start, for 37.
Of these, six or seven are not DC universe titles (mostly Scooby Doo).
Starting next month, 10 of the titles will be Bat-Family titles.

This is what cancer looks like.

Deadshot can have his own stories in SUICIDE SQUAD, but he's still a Batman villain.

So you haven't read it then.

>Is DC really dying and they're clinging to the Bat name, their most popular brand, in desperation?
That's because other characters are outdated and old. They are failing in comics, they are failing in movies.

I never touched arkham games. I only listed him cause he's associated with Batman now for some reason.

Not really, he's a suicide squad main which makes him a suicide squad character.

If Batman, his setting, and his character were shunted off unto a separate universe, a separate line, what would happen to the other books? Would they die?

But his comic is not a Batman brand comic.

His a Batman villain, like Harley Quinn and Killer Croc.

Or they are incompetent. Im not gonna try to turn this thread into company wars cause I am concerned for DC. But Marvel made "outdated" relics like Captain America and a lot of silver aged originated characters onto the big screen just fine. It's more like DC keeps hiring the guys who dont know what theyre doing and arent as passionate about the characters

>How does Marvel pull their cosmics off so well?
Movies

There are also 19 limited series being published. At least 6 are bat-titles.

>It's more like DC keeps hiring the guys who dont know what theyre doing and arent as passionate about the characters
This. So much.

His book was saved by a cross-over with Batman, where the writer tried to imply Deathstroke was Damian's daddy.

Forget about Suicide Squad. A team full of wanked Bat villains.

They're extremely passionate about Batman, Hal Jordan and Barry Allen.

How he initially showed up in Batman is a completely different character. Suicide squad is responsible for Deadshot as the character we know today.

Giffen and DnA had a really acclaimed time working on marvel cosmic which helped revitalize it for modern audiences.
And for some reason marvel is a lot better at hyping obscure shit up and getting people to read it. DC seems to only being able to hype up their events, crossovers, and Batman/Superman related shit.

Like Moon Knight went from being a literally who having to have his book be written by an A list writer to survive to being a B lister able to carry a book written by a literally who. Struggling to think of a character DC has done that for in recent memory but I'm struggling.

Deadshot as we know today gained his makeover in the Batman comics.

So now it's just full on shitposting.

>Hal Jordan and Barry Allen
Not anymore, user.

I did until the Lazarus Contract and Batman arc killed it.
But you're not getting that most people think Deathstroke is a Batman villain, like Grundy, because most people do not read or care about comics.

Deadshot, Harley Quinn, Killer Croc, Katana...

So you're totally discounting Ostander's suicide squad then.

That means t's the fault of casuals then and not DC as publisher.

Ostrander run was important, im' not saying it wasn't, but Deadshot is a Batman villain. Through and through. Debuted in Batman comics, gained visual make over in Batman comics, appeared in SUICIDE SQUAD as sent there by Batman.

Why DC management is so fucking incompetent? It's like they don't understand their fans at all.

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Why are casuals so dumb. They pick up any shitty book if it was associated with Batman

>complains about obsession with the silver age
>hip hip hooray, Silver Age Green Lantern and Flash are back! That's all that matters

No, John. You ARE the demons.

Deathstroke is a Robin villain.

Name me an important Batman story with deadshot and tell me why it's more important than the work done by Ostrander.

Man, sad to see GL is Morrison's last tenure at DC. He's also not getting any younger and doesnt want to waste his time with capes anymore, a complete 180 of when he was just starting out and immediately hopped on board the idea of working at DC

Deathstroke is a teen titans villain.

>tfw your dad and your former sidekick steal your archnemesis and you've only interacted with him like a total of two times in 8 years

sucks to be dick,
forever villainless lmao

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Sales of some current minis

126 - MARTIAN MANHUNTER ($3.99)
06/2015: Martian Manhunter #1 -- 40,239 [37,003]
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12/2018: Martian Manhunter #1 of 12 -- 39,312 (+224.6%) [40,748]
01/2019: Martian Manhunter #2 of 12 -- 26,573 (- 34.8%)
02/2019: Martian Manhunter #3 of 12 -- 22,431 (- 15.6%)
03/2019: Martian Manhunter #4 of 12 -- 19,187 (- 14.5%)
04/2019: --
05/2019: Martian Manhunter #5 of 12 -- 17,958 (- 6.5%)
06/2019: Martian Manhunter #6 of 12 -- 16,295 (- 9.3%)

159 - FREEDOM FIGHTERS ($3.99)
12/2018: Freedom Fighters #1 of 12 -- 23,826 (+199.7%) [25,248]
01/2019: Freedom Fighters #2 of 12 -- 14,091 (- 44.2%)
02/2019: Freedom Fighters #3 of 12 -- 13,619 (- 3.3%)
03/2019: Freedom Fighters #4 of 12 -- 13,130 (- 3.6%)
04/2019: Freedom Fighters #5 of 12 -- 12,653 (- 3.6%)
05/2019: Freedom Fighters #6 of 12 -- 12,348 (- 2.4%)

148 - WONDER TWINS (Wonder Comics) ($3.99)
02/2019: Wonder Twins #1 of 6 -- 27,584 [28,154]
03/2019: Wonder Twins #2 of 6 -- 19,892 (- 29.3%)
04/2019: Wonder Twins #3 of 6 -- 16,951 (- 14.8%)
05/2019: Wonder Twins #4 of 12 -- 15,643 (- 7.7%)
06/2019: Wonder Twins #5 of 12 -- 13,994 (- 10.5%)
>extended to #12

182 - DIAL H FOR HERO (Wonder Comics) ($3.99)
03/2019: Dial H for Hero #1 of 6 -- 21,832 (+ 96.9%)
04/2019: Dial H for Hero #2 of 6 -- 12,896 (- 40.9%)
05/2019: Dial H for Hero #3 of 12 -- 11,000 (- 14.7%)
06/2019: Dial H for Hero #4 of 12 -- 9,963 (- 9.4%)
>Extended to 12

>188 - FEMALE FURIES ($3.99)
02/2019: Female Furies #1 of 6 -- 26,515
03/2019: Female Furies #2 of 6 -- 13,585 (- 48.8%)
04/2019: Female Furies #3 of 6 -- 10,951 (- 19.4%)
05/2019: Female Furies #4 of 6 -- 9,772 (- 10.8%)
06/2019: Female Furies #5 of 6 -- 9,084 (- 7.0%)

Remember the time when Green Lantern comics outsold Batman comics? Good times.

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Marvel is winning

How come John's GL is praised so much then? And he's not in charge anymore, Barry and Hal are not shilled that much\
Morrison knows Mandrakk tier editors are killing DC and even Superman cant do shit against that anymore

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>one of which was a flashback and the other was in the present and also both were in a shitty crossover

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Unironically, they're the bigger name with more funding and a bigger backer. They get the best talent right now, and have money to throw at anything they want to try to push., in every medium simultaneously.

Why even bother, if it droppes so quick?

Isnt didio the retard who complains about silver age obsession even though current casuals dont give shits about anything that isnt Batman?

>and a bigger backer.
AT&T is bigger than Disney.

It's just AT&T doesn't give a shit about DC comics or understand anything about it.

Even Nightwing gets done dirty, shit.
Yeah Id love to see a SpideyPS4/Arkham level game for Superman. That aint gonna happen anytime soon

So why are you complaining about not enough non-Batman material when you guys won't even buy it? To drop a title because the sales aren't good enough seems to be self-defeating in nature.

DC sure was benevolent when they extended Wonder Twins and Dial H.

Sales of some recent minis

234 - ELECTRIC WARRIORS ($3.99)
11/2018: Electric Warriors #1 of 6 -- 16,152
12/2018: Electric Warriors #2 of 6 -- 8,398 (- 48.0%)
01/2019: Electric Warriors #3 of 6 -- 6,540 (- 22.1%)
02/2019: Electric Warriors #4 of 6 -- 5,732 (- 12.4%)
03/2019: Electric Warriors #5 of 6 -- 5,172 (- 9.8%)
04/2019: Electric Warriors #6 of 6 -- 5,013 (- 3.1%)

130 - MERA: QUEEN OF ATLANTIS ($3.99)
02/2018: Mera Queen #1 of 6 -- 35,701 [38,363]
03/2018: Mera Queen #2 of 6 -- 19,761 (- 48.5%)
04/2018: Mera Queen #3 of 6 -- 17,729 (- 10.3%)
05/2018: Mera Queen #4 of 6 -- 16,456 (- 7.2%)
06/2018: Mera Queen #5 of 6 -- 16,112 (- 2.1%)
07/2018: Mera Queen #6 of 6 -- 15,607 (- 3.1%)

185 - THE DEMON: HELL IS EARTH ($3.99)
11/2017: Demon Hell #1 of 6 -- 16,654
12/2017: Demon Hell #2 of 6 -- 12,123 (- 25.8%)
01/2018: Demon Hell #3 of 6 -- 11,337 (- 6.5%)
02/2018: Demon Hell #4 of 6 -- 10,339 (- 8.8%)
03/2018: Demon Hell #5 of 6 -- 9,899 (- 4.3%)
04/2018: Demon Hell #6 of 6 -- 9,562 (- 3.4%)

182 - RAGMAN ($2.99)
10/2017: Ragman #1 of 6 -- 17,220
11/2017: Ragman #2 of 6 -- 12,507 (- 27.4)
12/2017: Ragman #3 of 6 -- 10,775 (- 13.8)
01/2018: Ragman #4 of 6 -- 10,341 (- 4.0)
02/2018: Ragman #5 of 6 -- 9,583 (- 7.3)
03/2018: Ragman #6 of 6 -- 9,281 (- 3.2)

132 - PLASTIC MAN ($3.99)
06/2018: Plastic Man #1 of 6 -- 31,997
07/2018: Plastic Man #2 of 6 -- 20,632 (- 35.5%)
08/2018: Plastic Man #3 of 6 -- 19,596 (- 5.0%)
09/2018: Plastic Man #4 of 6 -- 17,548 (- 10.5%)
10/2018: Plastic Man #5 of 6 -- 16,495 (- 6.0%)
11/2018: Plastic Man #6 of 6 -- 15,341 (- 7.0%)

158 - DEADMAN ($3.99)
11/2017: Deadman #1 of 6 -- 35,127 (+305.2%)
12/2017: Deadman #2 of 6 -- 17,486 (- 50.2%)
01/2018: Deadman #3 of 6 -- 16,469 (- 5.8%)
02/2018: Deadman #4 of 6 -- 14,005 (- 15.0%)
03/2018: Deadman #5 of 6 -- 13,373 (- 4.5%)
04/2018: Deadman #6 of 6 -- 12,691 (- 5.1%)

Everything seemed okay in rebirth. Even if it did go overboard with the comfy shit reddit and Yea Forums likes so much.

What this thread is telling me is that despite you guys complaining about DC focusing too much on Batman, you guys only focus on Batman and don't care about any other character.

AT&T may be a bigger company in terms of raw value and scope, but their entertainment wing isn't as dominant as Disney.

>when you guys won't even buy it?
Because everything else sucks the big one. Current DC writers are trash.

>Even Nightwing gets done dirty, shit.
relevant from the guy I've stolen the number collecting from

82 - NIGHTWING ($3.99)
06/2004: Nightwing #94 -- 30,155
06/2014: --
06/2015: Grayson #9 -- 39,610 [40,478]
06/2016: --
06/2017: Nightwing #22 -- 36,343 [36,441]
06/2017: Nightwing #23 -- 36,055 [36,265]
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06/2018: Nightwing #45 -- 26,242 (- 0.0%) [26,270]
07/2018: Nightwing #46 -- 26,899 (+ 2.5%) [26,931]
08/2018: Nightwing #47 -- 26,467 (- 1.8%) [26,440]
09/2018: Nightwing #48 -- 25,733 (- 2.7%)
09/2018: Nightwing #49 -- 25,475 (- 1.0%)
10/2018: Nightwing #50 -- 29,450 (+ 24.6%) [31,751]
10/2018: Nightwing #51 -- 35,026 (+ 11.4%) [35,379]
11/2018: Nightwing #52 -- 26,623 (- 24.5%) [26,705]
11/2018: Nightwing #53 -- 26,442 (+ 0.5%) [26,826]
12/2018: Nightwing #54 -- 28,269 (+ 5.4%)
12/2018: Nightwing #55 -- 26,060 (- 7.8%)
01/2019: Nightwing #56 -- 25,044 (- 3.9%)
02/2019: Nightwing #57 -- 26,845 (+ 7.2%)
03/2019: Nightwing #58 -- 25,433 (- 5.3%)
04/2019: Nightwing #59 -- 24,677 (- 3.0%)
05/2019: Nightwing #60 -- 24,233 (- 1.8%)
06/2019: Nightwing #61 -- 22,621 (- 6.7%)
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6 months: - 16.7%
1 year : - 13.9%
2 years : - 37.8%
5 years : n.a.
15 years: - 25.0%

>This is the fewest copies an issue of Nightwing has sold since the start of my sales records (March 2001). Clearly the whole memory loss thing isn’t working.

>Everything seemed okay in rebirth.
Not the sales tho

>2018 is pretty ugly in the book stores for DC – they haven’t had this tragic of a performance since 2005. And I’m still trying to wrap my head around it from 20,000 feet.
>Now, there’s no doubt that the rebranding from “New 52” to “Rebirth” simply did not work in the mid-term – it does not appear that the “civilian” audience understood why continuity was being “reset” again so quickly. And while the “Rebirth” GN numbers were OK to start, they very very quickly bombed out. Here’s an example: the first “Rebirth” “Harley Quinn” launched at 13k in 2017. In 2018, it sold just 1818 copies. Kind of shockingly, v1 of the “New 52” “Harley” outsold it at 1894 copies. You can see this over and over again down the line: “Rebirth” “Batman” v1 sold 24k in 2017, and just over 5600 copies in 2018. “Nightwing” v1 sold 12k in 2017, down to 3k in 2018. In fact, not a single “Rebirth” branded book passes 10k in 2018, and it completely slaughtered the sales of the “New 52” editions as well.

comicsbeat.com/tilting-at-windmills-274-looking-at-bookscan-for-2018/

Rebirth did so bad it ruined the new 52 sales.

I also care about Supes and Hal tho

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How come? Reddit and Yea Forums praised rebirth comics all the time

Maybe if he wasn't FUCKING RIC

>Lobdell was the one who is responsible for this

And yet they're gonna keep him on RHATO until the end of time and probably give him a Wally solo huh

I was literally about to mention Simon Dark. Pre New 52 you had all these small books that felt part of the universe. Now all the minis feel like their own stories that just happen, end, and don't add anything to the universe. You have Sideways and Peeg show up now and then, for example, but they don't have their own stories so it just feels hollow.

>Because everything else sucks the big one.
Sounds like bullshit. You're gonna tell me That Freedom fighters is bullshit or that Dial for hero is bullshit? Why should anyone take this opinion seriously.

Nah fuck Batman, and DC fails to make anything interesting, bat-related or not. DC needs to hire Neil Gaiman and Morrison tier writers all the time instead of riding around town scouting for starving fanfiction writers

Simon Dark did not feel like a part of the universe. It was it's own little thing reminiscent of Edwards Scissorhands.

The answer to that is very simple. People bought the trader for REBIRTH in 2017 because they thought DC was genuine about turning a new leaf. By 2018, though, they had learned DC had bambozled them. So they stopped supporting the company. That's why the same trade sold so badly in 2008.

>DC fails to make anything interesting
Aside from GL morrison of course.

>DC fails to make anything interesting, bat-related or not
This is just shitposting. Is this thread really just for Mindless bashing of DC?

Name more than five good books out of DC's ass in 2019

That math doesn't add up as Rebirth intial sales was pretty unremarkable.

Morrison's Green Lantern

It's hilarious how Hickman is a massive X Men fanboy but marvel never gave him the opportunity... until he was about to go to DC and write some shit there. Even they know he'd stay for a few years and revamp shit there.

Dial H for Hero
The Wonder twins
Hawkman
Freedom Fighters
The Terrifics
Morrison's Green Lantern
Shazam
The Silencer
Naomi

>Is this thread really just for Mindless bashing of DC?
Is this surprising to you?
Yea Forums is bassically all about Marvel stuff

New Age of Heroes sales dump
>The Silencer
01/2018: The Silencer #1 -- 30,131 [33,101]
02/2018: The Silencer #2 -- 21,003 (- 36.5%)
03/2018: The Silencer #3 -- 18,208 (- 13.3%)
04/2018: The Silencer #4 -- 16,145 (- 11.3%)
05/2018: The Silencer #5 -- 15,261 (- 5.5%)
06/2018: The Silencer #6 -- 13,868 (- 9.1%)
06/2018: The Silencer #6 -- 13,868 (- 9.1%)
07/2018: The Silencer #7 -- 12,524 (- 9.7%)
08/2018: The Silencer #8 -- 11,802 (- 5.8%)
09/2018: The Silencer #9 -- 10,970 (- 7.0%)
10/2018: The Silencer #10 -- 15,439 (+ 40.7%)
11/2018: The Silencer #11 -- 10,018 (- 35.1%)
12/2018: --
01/2019: The Silencer #12 -- 9,231 (- 7.9%)
01/2019: The Silencer #13 -- 8,683 (- 5.9%)
02/2019: The Silencer #14 -- 8,302 (- 4.4%)
03/2019: The Silencer #15 -- 7,949 (- 4.3%)
04/2019: The Silencer #16 -- 7,901 (- 0.6%)
05/2019: The Silencer #17 -- 8,148 (+ 3.1%)
06/2019: The Silencer #18 -- 8,138 (- 0.1%)

DAMAGE ($2.99)
01/2018: Damage #1 -- 37,001 [41,076]
02/2018: Damage #2 -- 27,044 (- 33.3%) [27,792]
03/2018: Damage #3 -- 22,394 (- 19.4%)
04/2018: Damage #4 -- 20,166 (- 9.9%)
05/2018: Damage #5 -- 18,923 (- 6.2%)
06/2018: Damage #6 -- 17,308 (- 8.5%)
07/2018: Damage #7 -- 15,433 (- 10.8%)
08/2018: Damage #8 -- 13,778 (- 10.7%)
09/2018: Damage #9 -- 12,383 (- 10.1%)
10/2018: Damage #10 -- 17,230 (+ 39.1%)
11/2018: Damage #11 -- 11,501 (- 33.3%)
12/2018: Damage #12 -- 10,713 (- 6.9%)
01/2019: Damage #13 -- 9,963 (- 7.0%)
02/2019: Damage #14 -- 9,164 (- 8.0%)
03/2019: Damage #15 -- 8,667 (- 5.4%)
04/2019: Damage #16 -- 8,265 (- 4.6%)

THE IMMORTAL MEN ($2.99)
04/2018: Immortal Men #1 -- 48,567
05/2018: Immortal Men #2 -- 27,896 (- 42.6%)
06/2018: Immortal Men #3 -- 25,770 (- 7.6%)
07/2018: Immortal Men #4 -- 19,954 (- 22.6%)
08/2018: Immortal Men #5 -- 17,487 (- 12.4%)
09/2018: Immortal Men #6 -- 15,341 (- 12.3%)

They were alright, but even then there were some skeptical people. I never bought, say... the TITANS book when REBIRTH launched, because what i thought was going to be the New 52 versions of the Teen Titans remembering their pre-New 52, was actually the New 52 versions of the Teen Titans remembering a New 52 inspired version of their pre-New 52 adventures all mangled to fit the New 52 setting. So you had shit like Terra never dying and other stupid shit like that because these idiot writers felt they could come up with an improved version of Judas Contract. FUCK THAT NOISE.

Sideways!
02/2018: Sideways #1 -- 35,086 [36,969]
03/2018: Sideways #2 -- 23,807 (- 35.6%)
04/2018: Sideways #3 -- 19,890 (- 16.5%)
05/2018: Sideways #4 -- 18,300 (- 8.0%)
06/2018: Sideways #5 -- 16,543 (- 9.6%)
07/2018: Sideways #6 -- 15,152 (- 8.4%)
08/2018: Sideways #7 -- 13,637 (- 10.0%)
09/2018: Sideways #8 -- 12,503 (- 8.3%)
10/2018: Sideways #9 -- 17,305 (+ 38.4%)
11/2018: Sideways #10 -- 11,629 (- 32.8%)
12/2018: Sideways #11 -- 11,150 (- 4.1%)
01/2018: Sideways #12 -- 10,201 (- 8.5%)
02/2018: Sideways #13 -- 9,625 (- 5.6%)

THE CURSE OF BRIMSTONE ($2.99)
04/2018: Curse of Brimstone #1 -- 33,707
05/2018: Curse of Brimstone #2 -- 20,244 (- 39.9%)
06/2018: Curse of Brimstone #3 -- 15,949 (- 21.2%)
07/2018: Curse of Brimstone #4 -- 13,741 (- 13.8%)
08/2018: Curse of Brimstone #5 -- 11,966 (- 12.9%)
09/2018: Curse of Brimstone #6 -- 10,731 (- 10.3%)
10/2018: Curse of Brimstone #7 -- 28,525 (+165.8%) *
11/2018: Curse of Brimstone #8 -- 9,463 (- 66.8%)
12/2018: Curse of Brimstone #9 -- 8,707 (- 8.0%)
01/2019: Curse of Brimstone #10 -- 8,074 (- 7.3%)
02/2019: Curse of Brimstone #11 -- 7,484 (- 7.3%)
03/2019: Curse of Brimstone #12 -- 7,152 (- 4.4%)

NEW CHALLENGERS ($2.99)
05/2018: New Challengers #1 of 6 -- 36,557 [37,537]
06/2018: New Challengers #2 of 6 -- 22,094 (- 41.1%)
07/2018: New Challengers #3 of 6 -- 16,870 (- 23.6%)
08/2018: New Challengers #4 of 6 -- 14,182 (- 15.9%)
09/2018: New Challengers #5 of 6 -- 12,396 (- 12.6%)
10/2018: New Challengers #6 of 6 -- 11,238 (- 9.3%)

THE UNEXPECTED ($2.99)
06/2018: Unexpected #1 -- 28,028 [28,251]
07/2018: Unexpected #2 -- 16,441 (- 41.8%)
08/2018: Unexpected #3 -- 12,285 (- 25.3%)
09/2018: Unexpected #4 -- 10,116 (- 17.7%)
10/2018: Unexpected #5 -- 13,825 (+ 36.7%)
11/2018: Unexpected #6 -- 8,462 (- 38.8%)
12/2018: Unexpected #7 -- 7,547 (- 10.8%)
01/2018: Unexpected #8 -- 6,857 (- 9.1%)
and Terriffics

Wonder Twins, at least, should do well in the trades plus I bet they were feeling a bit for Russell after making him move Second Coming to Ahoy

Are we saying sales=quality?

THE TERRIFICS ($2.99)
02/2018: Terrifics #1 -- 45,493 [52,540]
03/2018: Terrifics #2 -- 34,525 (- 31.2%) [36,243]
04/2018: Terrifics #3 -- 30,134 (- 13.0%) [31,147]
05/2018: Terrifics #4 -- 28,849 (- 7.1%) [29,568]
06/2018: Terrifics #5 -- 26,676 (- 7.5%) [27,029]
07/2018: Terrifics #6 -- 24,736 (- 7.3%)
08/2018: Terrifics #7 -- 22,825 (- 7.7%)
09/2018: Terrifics #8 -- 21,240 (- 6.9%)
10/2018: Terrifics #9 -- 25,545 (+ 20.3%)
11/2018: Terrifics #10 -- 19,035 (- 25.5%)
12/2018: --
01/2019: Terrifics #11 -- 17,352 (- 8.8%)
01/2019: Terrifics #12 -- 16,657 (- 4.0%)
02/2019: Terrifics #13 -- 15,917 (- 4.4%)
03/2019: Terrifics #14 -- 15,294 (- 3.9%)
04/2019: Terrifics #15 -- 14,598 (- 4.6%)
05/2019: Terrifics #16 -- 14,022 (- 3.9%)
06/2019: Terrifics #17 -- 13,486 (- 3.8%)

and this sort of pattern continues for the rest of their imprints. Young Animal flopped, and none of the non-Sandman related books in the Vertigo relaunch had any legs. I'm not going to post them, but here's one that ended last month

GODDESS MODE (Vertigo) ($3.99)
12/2018: Goddess Mode #1 -- 17,471
01/2019: Goddess Mode #2 -- 8,116 (- 53.5%)
02/2019: Goddess Mode #3 -- 6,231 (- 23.2%)
03/2019: Goddess Mode #4 -- 5,537 (- 11.1%)
04/2019: Goddess Mode #5 -- 5,176 (- 6.5%)
05/2019: --
06/2019: Goddess Mode #6 -- 4,877 (- 5.8%)

It's a shame sideways didn't sell better, it was pretty good

Sales = Is DC willing to take another shot at a non-bat related IP

It really wasn't. It was carried by art. It moved away from the Spider-man premise way too early because they knew it was gonna be cancelled.

No, we're saying that nobody cares about DC shit that isn't Batman related.

>I am sure that no one is surprised that Batman is DC’s most lucrative property – about a third, thirty-two of the ninety-eight DC branded books are either directly Batman, or a member of his extended “family” (“Nightwing”, “Red Hood”, and so on), and account for 289k of DC’s sales.
>289k of 827k
>35% of DC bookstore sales in 2017 were Batman

So really the consumers are to blame. DC is completely willing to take risks but the so called fans are the cowards.

>No, we're saying that nobody cares about DC shit that isn't Batman related.
And how can they fix that problem?

Is that supposed to be DC's fault when they entirely willing to extend Wonder twins and Dial H for hero from a 6 issue mini series to a 12 issue mini series?

>So really the consumers are to blame.
No, the writers are to blame. DC should hire more prolific writers.

Bendis

idk
Moon Knight is the only literally who to B lister done right in recent memory that I can think of.

No but it's awfully nice of them, like extending Manhunter, Blue Beetle, Jonah Hex/ASW, REBELS, etc.

Well they tried getting Hickman and almost succeeded had Marvel not remembered that Hickman likes the X Men but never wrote them before.

They got Joe Hill.

And if they hadn't given Bendis Legion

>it's okay when DC uses nepotism to hire the son of an established writer but it's bad when marvel does it for Abrams

Joe Hill was an established before anyone knew he was Stephen King's son.

Joe Hill
>Has been a published writer since the 90s
>Won major awards before people knew he was King's son
>Wrote a very well regarded independent comic book series
>First published at 25

Henry Abrams
>Has had zero writing credits
>Book is being promoted with father's name
>Jumping straight into Marvel's biggest character
>Is 20

Hickman wanted to write Titans

He's part of The Terrifics

You mean nobody cares about capeshit in general if it's not Batman related.

>capeshit
Go back to \tv\

Dc should focus on more all star tier elseworlds

>how can they fix this?
Exposure. Get the A.V. club to write about them or something.

It was because of Rebirth, where they double shipped every big book and killed anything outside of it.

Morrison is exempt from editorial. Stop spreading your newfaggotry.

Johns' GL is praised because it panders to the lowest common denominator.

This is bashing DC editorial, dipshits.
I want to buy a JSA book. I was a Wally fan. I don't like Hal, but I like John Stewart.
I don't like Batman.
Is DC doing anything besides shitting in my corn flakes?

JSA or Wally doesn't make the DCU feel bigger. Jonah Hex, Enemy Ace, John Constantine, Unknown Soldier do. Your kind is already being pandered to more than you deserve. Go read your Hawkman or Action Comics. I wish JSA never come back.

>John Constantine
he is even worse than batshit

>When's the last time we saw say, Plastic Man in DC.
This month. Ant-Man doesn't have a book right now. I guess Giant Man does but it's 3rd issue sold worse than Hawkman's 13th. Point is DC or Marvel can "push" smaller characters but they just don't take. Most Comic fans just want their Batman and Spider-Man and everyone else can fuck off

I hope Jonah Hex never comes back. He had the perfect ending

>basically all of the tie-ins are bat-books

This is getting ridiculous.

huh, I completely missed that Ragman series

Yeah your lies are getting ridiculous. Only 8 of them are Bat Books. It's not even half. Hardly fucking "Basically All" is it?

Damn, batfags are salty.
You want to tell me Batman isn't the main character of JL? Damian isn't the main character of TT? Want to start counting how many times Batman made a guest appearence in the other books? Fuck off retard.

>but it became worse after Metal
Hardly. It's always has been the case even before flashpoint.

>Deathstroke
>Justice League
>Teen Titans
How the heck these three are considered part of the bat line? Are you reaching?

who was the editor in charge of this line because everything about felt really mismanaged
all the advertising for it was just plain wrong

Robin has always been the main character of TT, but it was never seen as Batman book.

And no, Batman isn't the main character of JL.

He want's to be mad. It's probably this faggot

>Want to start counting how many times Batman made a guest appearence in the other books?
That's some fucking reaching. If you want to start counting Guest appearances I guess Batman is a Constantine Book

>all the people who disagree with me are the same person

You'd expect this kind of autism from a bat-tard.

>robin, the character who is tied the most with Batman, doesn't count as a Batman character
>book with literally Batman in it who patronize all the other heroes, isn't a batman book.

Ok.

Fuck why is this Event where not even half the books are Bat related and which focuses on Lex Luthor so bat centric?

>books literally under the bat-office editorial
>not batman books

I'm glad you caught on

It's retarded to say Deathstroke is a Batman book and you know it is

Yes, because it's not like bat books are better written than the rest. It's just readers are more interested in bat characters than anyone else.

Only JL under Rich, you freaking liar.

Also, WW was edited by Bat office. Does it make it part of the bat line going by your logic.

>Mcu tard doesn’t read
He’s literally in two books this year!

This. They don't even have writers with big names either. Fans prefer Batman and it's simple as that.

Move those goal posts.
He had a solo, is part of the Terrifics and plays a role in Bendis' Leviathan event

And surprise surprise, only the books not tied to this garbage Snyder and Bendis pushing are good.
>GL is great
>Shazam is good
>Dial H and Wonder Twins are good
>Most Young Animals books are good

Have you seen the schmucks running the joint?

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>Johns
>running DC comics
Johns has stepped down a long ago and it went downhill ever since.

It went downhill since Johns arrived. Infinite crisis was the beginning of it.

He was literally fired as president and cco

Yet people wank his GL run to heaven in back, its seems he did some good. DC was dying anyway, and even guys like Morrison cant save it from itself. Mandrakk is poisoning comics along with himself.

>Young animal cancelled lmao
Name one young animal book thats good

While I will concede that Milk Wars was really not great, Cave Carson, Shade and Bug were fantastic. Even Doom Patrol was great but the release schedule killed it.

Also The first issue of Collider was promising hopefully the rest of the series is just as good

>led by ROBIN
Just fuck off

Pure sex

t. brainlet. Robin was all about angst and getting out of Batmans shadow. you retard.

Vertigo > Young Animal >>>> Black turd label

Every prolific writer wants to write bat characters. Mostly Joker

Eternity girl, especially after reading Grant Morrison's Kid eternity where you can see the parallels.

When Johns was on GL, it was the best selling title and the franchise was able to carry multiple title while Morrison can't even surpass King on Batman.

It was connected to Demon Knights too.

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that wasn't a thing until the 70's, literally 30+ years after the character's introduction

I miss that book

>they have the best talent right now
Hickman, Ewing, and who?? All marvels “big names” are shit.

>Superman
3 books
>Aquaman
1 book
>WW
1 book
>Hawkman
1 book
>Slade
1 book
>Teams who doesn't have a bat in it
2 books
>Batman
10 books

Yeah, i can see the problem.

>WT
>good

what a shitty meme.

Lobdell's just the guy they put on it because he'll write whatever editorial tells him to without complaining.

How big of a normie can you be.
First of all, Ewing isn't a big name, he is still relatively and the fact that he is good doesn't mean he is popular.

Waid and PAD by themselves shit in the head of all of the DC's exclusives.
What's DC big name? Bendis? Snyder? King? Don't make me laugh zoomer.

It's Mark Russell's worse book but it's still an entertaining and funny book.

Absolutely. Nobody at DC “gets” anything but Batman anymore.

There’s only one Wondy book now. Rucka backed out of his promised book. Even then we don’t even have a release date for the other one so that one may be scrapped too.

(Inb4 Jimenez releasing artwork online: artists have unreleased pages of scrapped books all the time. His updates mean nothing without a release date.)