She's right

*anthropomorphic

Sorry English isn't my first language and I haven't slept very well.

>Reminding me of Scarjoko

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damn, before this i really didnt care they cancelled but now,now im glad they cancelled it

I had no idea it was cancelled, it was not a bad show, but I felt like at times it was still struggling on choosing it's identity, thought the next season would clearify that, well, at least Bojack is still running strong.

this actual brainlet

Lol, no. It should've been live action if you wanted 6+ seasons.

I never heard of this show until it got cancelled.

The reason it got cancelled is that the studio unionized and netflix didn't like it. They only kept Bojack because they can't afford not to.

You forgot the x 24

Damn and I thought I had bags under my eyes.

Can we just go back to the time when women we're just objects and didn't speak up? Not that thing even really passes for human. Shit gets cancelled when nobody watches it, nobody watched it because it was bad. Has jack all to do with the characters being women or what they do. Also being an artist doesn't correlate to being a good writer. If Bojack had a different art style but the same plot people would still watch it because it has a good story

Also fuck this turd looking cunt, F is for Family is amazing

Any other nude scenes? Might make me watch this show.

>tens of thousands of years of human society and civilisation
>manage to get born in the microscopic sliver of time women have equal rights to men
Gosh darn.

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ow my eyes

I'm an ess jay dubya, but this show was shit and actively made women, parasitically WOC, look worse than we are.

there is a naked anthro weed leaf with tits who is portrayed as the coolest person on earth. very epic.

Ok so I'm a man, and I liked Tuca and Bertie. It is also the first show I've seen where I got the distinct impression it was "for women". Like it's the first show where it actually does feel like it's being written from a perspective that isn't my own. There was a distinct feeling of "this is a club that does not include me" that I've never actually gotten before.

EVERY OTHER "for women" or "for gays" or "for blacks" show, you can tell it's transparent pandering and if it isn't written by men then it's heavily influenced by men or it just drops tidbits for the targeted demographic in discreet little packages along the path of an otherwise totally generic story.

Yeah, but it was also pretty unremarkable

I really didn't think so. Definitely more noteworthy than F is for Simpsons.

Growing pains. Every last studio needs to unionize until these motherfuckers have no choice.

>throwing shade at f is for family
done with this ratchet ho.

I came here to see if anyone else said it.

Fuck these motherfuckers

>t. Eunuch

>F is for Simpsons
Explain you retard

>ITT: incels

>EVERY OTHER "for women" or "for gays" or "for blacks" show, you can tell it's transparent pandering and if it isn't written by men then it's heavily influenced by men or it just drops tidbits for the targeted demographic in discreet little packages along the path of an otherwise totally generic story.
Basically Steven Universe

why the long face?

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>It is also the first show I've seen where I got the distinct impression it was "for women". Like it's the first show where it actually does feel like it's being written from a perspective that isn't my own. There was a distinct feeling of "this is a club that does not include me" that I've never actually gotten before.
None of this tells me it’s any good. I really don’t care who it’s aimed for or if I’m the “right” demographic, I care about the actual content.

Ok. It's good.

Tuca and Bertie isn't great. I think people like it because it has the possibilities to be great. Of anything it opens doors that women can have whacky cartoon that aimed at women-child.

At least it deserves extra season rather than other shitty ugly show like Big Mouth

I still don't get the whole Pastry Pete thing

It does. The conclusion for the first season left a lot of stuff.
Speckles living on his own in a shitty unfinished house
Bertie job in the company still going
That girl bird voiced by Kristen Schaal never came back.
Tuca's siblings taking care of her rich aunt

Pastry Pete knew he was hot and was using his sex appeal to intimidate and control his workers so he could steal credit for Bertie's ideas and talent without her realizing it because she idolized him so much it never even occurred to her that anything was wrong. Then when he saw her doing the same thing to the new girl it all clicked because she saw it from an outside perspective, and the new girl lost her shit because she did nothing to stop it.

Why did the whole "Bertie gets off on being taken advantage of" thing go nowhere?

>workers so he could steal credit for Bertie's ideas and talent without her realizing it
No, Bertie was in the wrong there. She used company time and company material. She sold it in the shop, she sold it in the shop, never telling Pete. That's not how working at a shop works.

>ugly show about rich assholes with rich asshole problems
I just fundamentally cannot bring myself to give a fuck about an impossibly well-off caste of people I'd be secretly pleased to find dead on my street.

Anyway Netflix's MO is to fund shows for 1-2 seasons to bring in new subs and then cancel them if they're not the absolute biggest shows. It's not got much to do with anything other than money.

She didn't really get off on being taken advantage of. She already had a crush on Pete, so she had no idea she was being taken advantage of until the new girl came in.

It's meant to contrast with Roger's joke about Bertie's breasts in the office. Roger is just a crass dumbass, he had no idea what he said was wrong. He's the kind of person you have sexual harassment meetings for, so they can learn what's unacceptable if they come from another culture or something. They actually touch on this a bit in the episode.

Pete on the other hand was a purposeful manipulator who knew exactly what he was doing.

Ford/Disney pls go.

>did the central theme of the show really have to be about sex and rape?
>I get its a big part of the female experience...
No it is not. A tiny portion of women are raped in their lives, especially if you're talking about America or the West in general.

This is the first Netflix Original i have ever heard of having less than two seasons.

>Ford/Disney pls go.
And look how those companies are. But Disney is sort of a over bloated monster at this point, but that's something else.

There are more rape victims than LGBTQs.

If that's true it's because gays are rare.

Makes you wonder why you never stop hearing about them.

Because they're trendy now.

Being a rape victim was never trendy.

Mostly because it implies you had sex, and non-virgin women are not welcome on TV in America.

Probably meant for a second season episode.
The Pete and Richard thing also goes with the idea most molestors are someone the person trusts.

>Being a rape victim was never trendy.
user...

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>I liked it
>I'll get over it

Female here. I gave up on the show for a while after watching the second episode. The show treated sexual harassment meetings as like this boss sexual empowerment shit. For me & pretty much everyone else, it's a fucking waste of time. I would much rather be working or sitting on the toilet than have to sit in on that same old song & dance. It would have been better for Roger to be confronted or put aside to talk about his behavior than wasting everyone's time & company money on hopefully getting a message across that has been repeated since junior high.

Somebody who knowingly abuses women sexually isn't going to be affected by a meeting on sexual harassment. You can give warnings or reprimand the offender, but no amount of rehabilitation is going to help.

I mean that in itself is an accomplishment.

>Somebody who knowingly abuses women sexually isn't going to be affected by a meeting on sexual harassment. You can give warnings or reprimand the offender, but no amount of rehabilitation is going to help.
That actually reminds me a story my uncle told me.
New female gets hired
They pull "That Guy" aside tell him not to go near her.
Sure enough a month later she files a complaint against "That Guy"

>The show treated sexual harassment meetings as like this boss sexual empowerment shit. For me & pretty much everyone else, it's a fucking waste of time.

That's the point. Bertie's workplace treated it as a waste of time, until something happened BECAUSE they treated it as a waste of time. The meeting wasn't empowering for "women", it was empowering for BERTIE.

I may not be a woman, but if there's one thing I know a lot about, it's being a slacker with social anxiety. That was her first big victory of the series and a major character development point in getting over her fear of confrontation.

bojack simpsons wasn't that great

>It was "for women"
Honestly what does that even mean? "Men's" shows have as little modesty about tits and would feature similar gross-out humor. I'm curious if their audience demo even skewed female.

But why did Bertie have to waste company time & money just to confront one guy? That's still not cool in my book, & I too have anxiety.

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has characters and plotlines not only relatable to women but specifically about being a woman and passes the bechdel test every episode

It's difficult to explain, really.

The tits are presented much more casually. Like, in mainstream humor shows, there is a huge difference in how tits are presented vs how a (male) ass is presented.

The focus isn't on the tits. The tits are everywhere. They're so frequent and ubiquitous that you stop thinking about them and they just become part of the background. It's the casualness of the tits that sets it apart.

She had an apprenticeship, not a contract. I don't think she was even being paid. The entire point of an apprenticeship is to learn the trade and have access to tools, not to be an employee. There is a world of difference between being an apprentice and being a wagecuck. Also it's hardly wasting the shop's resources when the profits still went back to the shop.

The apprenticeship was with Pastry Pete. She was salaried at Conde Nest.

>the bechdel test
shiggy diggy

What about reverse Bechdel? Equality is a two way street.

You're complaining about her using company time to benefit the company by improving their sexual harassment seminars? Would you preferred she just sue them?

What’s to sell me about it?

Okay. So a flimsy college theory with no pragmatic science behind it, and naked boobs being floppy is what it takes to make a true "women's" show?

Are you sure you're not being retarded?

Plot wise, a lawsuit might have been more interesting, but then they already blew that on the sex bugs.

Yeah basically. You're assuming men and women are either totally different creatures or exactly the same. What makes it a women's show is the PERSISTENT presence of elements that women are more comfortable around than men without making a spectacle of them.

Well, you do realize that large companies have entire departments dedicated to that shit, and Bertie really just did HR's job for them in addition to her own.

Fuck off and watch it, I don't know what you're into. You've had time to watch four episodes between your posts.

Pretty much every show I watch passes that retarded test

I think I have a better grasp of women and daily life than you, user.

Because first, on the business thing, HR is supposed to help mediate and prevent work place disputes over sexual harassment because most women want to continue working at their job and don't want to burn bridges at the company. But Bertie did want to leave, and if she'd sued she probably would have walked away with a reasonable settlement because the cost of court is sort of their benchmark for these things. It actually would have been better for her and would have achieved the same end result, narratively.

Second, floppy tits are not something that has a lot of universal appeal to women any more than a floppy dick draws in male viewers. Traditionally, they tend to use romance plots to draw in women and action to draw in men, and yes there is overlap because some women like the flash and some men like the bang. Gross-out humor is generally thought of as skewing towards the male demographic, but even then it's a smaller market and it's less lucrative, and it probably hurt Tuca and Bertie too. Just because it's gross-out comedy about boobs doesn't elevate it or broaden the appeal all that much.

But the bottom line is that a lot of times you don't really do entertainment "for women" in reality if you're seeking a large viewer base. Men are easier because men like looking at boobs and you can draw them in with naked boobies, but outside of that, any demo is going to look for elements that appeal to them personally, and that's more tricky. What appeals today may not appeal tomorrow, and there are fewer universal constants.

So, no, Tuca and Bertie is not really a "women's show". It's a spastic, gross-out comedy that tried to develop depth about mid-way through after doing enough to let you hate the characters ahead of the drama. Some people got reeled in to the drama segments and enjoyed it, but other people quit watching well before the show got serious.

>Second, floppy tits are not something that has a lot of universal appeal to women any more than a floppy dick draws in male viewers.

And yet, cartoons are rife with floppy dicks. Because men are comfortable around floppy dicks, what with having one of our own. Where's that giant collage of naked boys and Simpson penises that was going around earlier? We need that here. The ubiquity of floppy breasts is meant to mirror that, not to draw in anyone.

>Men are easier because men like looking at boobs and you can draw them in with naked boobies,
There is a huge difference between boobs for sex, boobs for fun, and boobs that just happen to be attached to someone. If just boobs in any context did the trick we'd all have National Geographic subscriptions.

Frankly, I think it's you who doesn't understand MEN. Because when we watch this show, it's very obvious that it isn't intended for us. Also if you think boobs are gross you have bigger problems. And I can't think of anything that qualifies as "gross out" humor.

What you did to the Africans in USA? it's like Sauron created his own ork/goblino race with Africans instead of elfs

youtube.com/watch?v=lpVUMuLLqug

Selective breeding. Traits like intelligence and self-sufficiency are not suitable for a slave race. And then we set the motherfuckers "free" as a subservient caste without access to good paying jobs or education.

>And yet, cartoons are rife with floppy dicks.
lolwot

There's not a lot F is For Family can offer to a black martian.

Tuca and Bertie flopped for the same reasons that Girls didn't do well: The show is aimed at a small group of single women living in the city who love the urban nightlife. It doesn't really appeal to women growing up in the suburbs, rural areas, or even mothers.

New here, aren't you? A few months back the shitpost topic of the day was how we've seen Bart Simpson's penis but we never saw Lisa's vagina, and this is a pattern that's persisted across all media. Showing a little boy penis is just fine for comedy, but showing anything on a girl or woman is right out.

>But Bertie did want to leave
she didnt knew that she wanted to leave, she wasnt sure about anything, she was a shy cat full of doubts about herself and the people that surrounder her
confronting something that make her feel unconfortable was the first step,i totally get what you say but you are asuming a lot of things and just cutting to the end
>second argument (file too long)
eh, i have seen girls make jokes like the once in the show, i dont see a problem whit it they dont really put it in the spotlight that much and its a pretty safe humor, i dont see your problem whit the comedy apart from it being a little weak, but by no means is the bottom of the barrel as you make it sound
>But the bottom line is that a lot of times you don't really do entertainment "for women" in reality if you're seeking a large viewer base. Men are easier because men like looking at boobs and you can draw them in with naked boobies, but outside of that, any demo is going to look for elements that appeal to them personally, and that's more tricky. What appeals today may not appeal tomorrow, and there are fewer universal constants.
>So, no, Tuca and Bertie is not really a "women's show". It's a spastic, gross-out comedy that tried to develop depth about mid-way through after doing enough to let you hate the characters ahead of the drama. Some people got reeled in to the drama segments and enjoyed it, but other people quit watching well before the show got serious.
here you are just spilling bullshit, a show for woman made by womans is going to have more focus on things that womans like, yeah maybe it will not age that well or something and sure something made for womans in 1800 is not made for the womans of this age, but what is your point? it has a viwer base in mind, its focused on them, its made for them, sure its not for everyone, but dissmising it because its not the next MCU safe bet to appeal to the greattest audience ever seen is sure not a good argument for your point

Showing Bart's dick once in the movie (a joke about what they could get away with in a movie vs. television and an inversion of the "convenient obstruction" gag they did for a few minutes before that) is not cartoons being "rife with floppy dicks".

I never watched the movie, it showed up several times in the series. Also Dexter's Lab had a penis. There are others, I just can't think of them off the top of my head. Batman's penis can fall under the same patriarchal mindset of "a penis isn't porn but a vagina is".

>I never watched the movie, it showed up several times in the series.
>Also Dexter's Lab had a penis.
I find this very hard to believe and want proofs.

Why would they do a joke about showing Bart's penis in the movie (instead of obscuring it with camera angles and objects in front of it) if it was something they'd done several times before?

Because the simpsons is fucking dead.

That failed because nobody watched it. Actually I really doubt that most people really watched Bojack Horseman, probably most people that talk about it just watched youtube videos about the show.

You're clearly operating on some kind of dogmatic perspective of the world, but historically, the penis has pretty much been the number one way to elevate your age rating. You're liable to get away with naked boobs, and if there's not too much else, you may keep that PG-13 rating if you show a vagina, but if a penis is on screen that tends to provoke an instant R-rating.

The ratings have grown more lax over the years, but you see way, way more boobs than penises in American media simply because showing a penis will result in your audience being restricted by whoever's in charge of ratings.

>It's clear this show was not intended for men
What narrow fucking female demo do you think Tuca and Bertie is aimed at anyway? Because I watched it but my wife thought it was loud, retarded, occasionally gross, and represented the kind of women she hates.

"Woman who think an entire episode about genital mites is funny," is super limited. There aren't even that many men who'd get drawn in to that premise.

It's for "woke" women who think being disgusting brave.

>what does that mean
well, according to the ideas of male gaze (in its actual meaning, i.e: the idea that media is, in its history and storytelling, inherently formed from a male perspective and view) even if something is made for female viewers, it can fall into the trap of not feeling right. I havent watched this show, but it does feel like something that actually escapes that and manages to actually come from a female perspective rather than a usual male-oriented camera

ALL women are raped user and ALL men are rapists
you rapist bigot

Yeah because never in history have men sought out candid nudity.

Women who didn't marry you, I guess.

Women not like my wife, you mean. But as vague as that it, it still doesn't tell me what you think those women are.

Teenagers? Yeah, because they're super involved with paying rent and facing down their aging bodies. Adult women? Well plenty of women are smarter than Tuca and Bertie and don't have rich family like Tuca to help them afford to be childish on into their thirties.

Honestly more women are able to get along in their work environments than not. It's not like Bertie is representative of a common trend, and basically nobody can behave like Tuca without landing themselves in prison or rehab.

>feminist show appeals only to feminists; gets canned
Stop the presses!

i have no idea what your talking about and i dont think were talking about the same thing

>Well plenty of women are smarter than Tuca and Bertie

Where do you live, I need to move there, because that is very much not the case in any place I've been before. Honestly Tuca and Bertie are doing a lot better at getting their shit together than my high school graduating class, if my Facebook is anything to go by.

You're talking aboout the male gaze and how Tuca and Bertie doesn't fall into it because they draw boobs being floppy and comical.

The point I'm making is that it doesn't really matter if the tits are floppy, it doesn't mean men have magically lost interest in them. Sure, it doesn't fit into your delicate and fragile theoretical framework to consider whether men like boobs even if they aren't maximally perky, but that is the problem with women's studies - it's retarded, theoretical, and suffers from so many exceptions that it becomes meaningless beyond use.

You can't use a women's studies degree to discern whether a show is directed at women. Basically, you can tell if it was, likely by how many women watched the show and liked it, and I'd wager not many women really liked and enjoyed Tuca and Bertie.

I mean here you are, a man if you're the same user who kicked off defending this show, explaining why this is a woman's show. If it really were a women's show, you'd think there'd be more women giving a fuck about it and they woouldn't need you to speak on their behalf, wouldn't you? You'd think maybe my wife would have watched it instead of asking me to turn it off.

There wasn't enough man-hating. There was only like 3 men that were bad.

Are you aware that the one making the threads was a notorious PEDO who spends a fortune paying artists to edit pics of naked cartoon little girls?

>Steven Universe
>Revolutionary

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>you may keep that PG-13 rating if you show a vagina
What PG-13 movie has an exposed vagina/labia? Showing genitals is typically restricted to R.

Everyone knows that the executives in charge never look at useless shit like ratings, viewership, how much money it brings in, does it attract subscribers or advertisers, can it be marketed....none of that

Their first and top priority is misogyny and how they can hurt women, take away freedoms from women (in the form of canceling series) and how they can outwardly appear as sexist and misogynist as humanly possible to the general viewing public.

Most of their meetings are about how to increase misogyny by at least 5%

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Are you kidding? Women are raped every single day.

If some stranger says "Hi" to a woman on the street he raped that woman
If a man holds a door open and declared she is too weak and frail to open it herself, he raped her
If a man compliments a woman and she did not initiate the conversation, he raped her

Women have to deal with rape throughout the day

>feminists fail
>it's everyone else fault
At least the show's creator has showed more grace than the tard in OP.

Did Steven Universe really revolutionize cartoons?

>bird tits

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BasedCarlos

These types like to pretend they're doing something important.

>we
you'll never be a real woman, xorf.

That peeping tom had the right idea.

The Break With Michele Wolf
Everything Sucks!
Seven Seconds
Nightflyers
The Get Down
Gypsy
The Good Cop
Girlboss
Disjointed
The Joel McHale Show With Joel McHale
All About The Washingtons
Chambers

>comicbook.com/tv-shows/2019/06/25/12-netflix-shows-cancelled-after-one-season/

This might actually be the first animated flop for Netflix. Most of their low-effort animated trash gets a few seasons at least.

Yes. We have like 3 of those here. Doesn't make him less right. In fact it makes him more right, because he's more likely to pay attention to that.

Anything popular is usually labeled that.

>Men are easier because

Men are easier because in general they respond well to humour based on absurd situations. Women in general respond well to humour based on an adversarial position to their own being humiliated. This is why most female comedians' routines are mainly about how men are stupid, men are gross, men are bad at fucking, but also some other women are bitches, and men's moms are the worst bitches of all. Well, that and gross out jokes about bodily functions.
This is the same reason advertising aimed at women tends to show a man being incompetent and the protagonist woman doing the thing better than him, or a mother in law / female neighbor / rival mom of her kid's friend being one upped by the protagonist woman using the advertised product.

This video is long but it goes into it in detail, examining the studies that reached the above conclusion: youtube.com/watch?v=_wmAgfLHefo

This is why shows and comedy aimed at women always have the same flavour and are so transparent in their pandering, and also why their appeal is so limited.

TL;DR: Men laugh at funny situations, women laugh at men and adversarial women being the butt of the joke. That's why female-aimed comedy is so shit, and male-aimed comedy has more narrative potential and variety.

>Can we just go back to the time when women we're just objects
ackchyually, A time like this never excisted.
Its a feminist myth

GO WOKE GO BROKE.

unpaid apprenticeships are the biggest cuckoldry is this and fuck you for defending this boomershit

>Most advertising towards women depicts men as horrible
What? Not it doesn't. Most advertising towards women depicts another woman being more beautiful than the target woman thanks to the product they're selling.

When was the last time your dumb ass saw a Mabeline commercial whose primary conclusion was "Mabeline: makes you smarter than your boyfriend"?

i like tuca and bertie

>TL;DR: Men laugh at funny situations, women laugh at men and adversarial women being the butt of the joke.
Except for all the myriad counter examples.

Would you like to go back to the time where a single woman could compel the actions of entire kingdom based on the half-remembered hallucinations she experienced while huffing methane?

Or the period of time where singing virginal women would take men defeated by their tribe to a wood statue, cut their throats, and drink the blood from a bowl?

Or that time a woman who was near constantly pregnant became the undisputed ruler of an empire that dominated Eastern Europe?

Do any of those sound particularly appealing?

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Its easier to delude righteous indignation then to admit that not many people watched the show, including the person doing the complaining, and that is why its being cancelled.