Yo wtf?

sometimes wonder woman is bullet proof sometimes she isn't it's just a side effect of her being vulnerable to sexual connotations piercing weapons are deadly being subdued weakens her and cum burns her if you'd read the comics you'd know this

She's been powered up since even before the nu52.

The reason she deflects bullets now is so she can control their trajectory and avoid hurting bystanders/her own enemies with a ricochet.

Superman's invulnerability field--the same that makes his costume unbreakable even though it's made of cloth--dampens bullets so that don't ricochet.

one is an amalgamation of a bunch of deities with a body specifically for using his power and the other is a demigod it fits the canon of demigods

>Despite both of these characters drawing they're powers from canonically the same pantheon of gods of the same universe, only one is impervious to bullets.
Shazam is powers by the gods. Diana by the goddesses.
Also, something about the world's strongest woman still being vulnerable to piercing.

I never read post-Flashpoint CM/Shazam but weren't the six S.H.A.Z.A.M sources retconned as being Lords of Order who just happen to have the same names as the legendary figures?

At least that's what I remember when Billy became the wizard and Freddie got the title.

One is the daughter of Zeus and an immortal human, the other has the combined power of Zeus and other 5 OP beings.

Priests' arc on jl

No she's still vulnerable to bullets, and all weapons that classify under "penetration". You know why.

Wut? Her flight is from hermes

I can never keep track if Wonder Woman can fly or not.

I hate the idea of her being able to fly. She shouldn't be yet another brick just because DC is a bunch of retards who lazily want her to be Superman with tits instead of letting her be her own character.

Also, the Invisible Jet is unique and cool. Fuck the haters.

>Also, the Invisible Jet is unique and cool.
Its inconsistent just like everything about WW. Superman and Batman have a set of supporting cast members, a setting, and villains that complement or contrast them thematically. Wonder Woman barely has a central theme to start with. She just has 50 years of slapped together iconography that happened to work for her that decade.

Wonder Woman had her everything ruined by DC because they wanted to turn her into Superman's hoe. That's not on the character, but the publisher.

Captain Marvel has the power of like 5 different Gods.

Wonder Woman has like 2 at most.

Are you serious?

Making her to be Zeus' daughter was a huge mistake.

>Wonder Woman barely has a central theme to start with
It's truth

How?

It's boring, pushes the "godly being" angle, and makes no sense because the empty power up is ignored and contradicted.

eh interesting, but I disagree. It definitely isn't contradicted.

Really? I thought it was compassion? Peace?

Clearly it's loving submission

It is. She's Zeus' fucking daughter. Even then she can be pierced by bullets, punched out by some middle tier baddies, and rarely, if ever, throws some lightening. Writers basically forget she's a demi-god, only remembering when they want to show bout about the Zeus thing.

She was almost killed by an African with a machine gun

Truth and submission to loving authority(trust, essentially). Unfortunately, DC are a bunch of limp dick cowards who don't want to touch those themes because the retarded wannabe frat boys who pretend to care about their products are constantly whining about how they don't want politics in "their" comics.

Too generic. It makes her yet another Zeus spawn instead of a golem.

>How does this work exactly?
Dunno.

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>Truth and submission to loving authority(trust, essentially). Unfortunately, DC are a bunch of limp dick cowards who don't want to touch those themes because the retarded wannabe frat boys who pretend to care about their products are constantly whining about how they don't want politics in "their" comics.
I don't think a single genre writer working in any major industry has the balls to say some authority is important. If they do, they'll just play up the "trust women" angle with puddle deep political references achieved with multiple paragraph long word bubbles in every frame.
People only say they don't like politics in their fiction when its in your face enough to be polarizing. Nobody said that shit about X-men until this decade and the series was born from political realities.

If your "Super" Hero exists in a modern setting and has no method to render bullets a complete non issue, with no hidden 'gotcha' failure state or relying on luck/reflexes that can be taken away at the whim of the writer without need for justification, you have made a C lister. B at best, but they better be really interesting.

No matter how hard they try, Wondy will never be taken seriously except by her die hard fans. All they can do is wave her in everyone's face till they've at least heard OF her.

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So when is swordautist showing up in this thread?

I'm not a fucking autist. I just know what the character is about.

It's weird because it feels like she's ALMOST at that point of a central theme, complimentary setting, her own 'corner' and centralizing gimmick like Superman or Batman or Green Lantern. And yet she's just not quite -there- yet.

I feel Superman being too tied to generic feel-good heroing than the original cocksure ready-to-action fighting-for-the-little-guy hero he was originally actually hurt her, since she's supposed to be the serene and calm "some trust in authority is good, there's good people in charge out there" stuff mentioned by you guys.

>I feel Superman being too tied to generic feel-good heroing than the original cocksure ready-to-action fighting-for-the-little-guy hero he was originally actually hurt her, since she's supposed to be the serene and calm "some trust in authority is good, there's good people in charge out there" stuff mentioned by you guys.
It absolutely did. DC basically transformed Superman into what Wonder Woman was, then tried to change Wonder Woman into a hard-assed warrior lady who's always willing to drop a motherfucker because she's that tough and cold. Not happy about it they started to change her background and powers so she'd be more like Superman to they could be better paired off as some couple of godly beings ready to conquer the world and produce an army of ubermench.

Now Wonder Woman is in this weird state where writers and readers alike question what she should be like. Nice and understanding or cold and ruthless? Somewhat baseline with a few outstanding powers that are strange or unique or a flying brick capable of topping mountains? An experienced woman from a magical and technological wonder or a naive girl from a barbarian society?

Whenever she's side by side with Superman she HAS to be the take no shit warrior bitch who snaps your neck without a second thought just to differentiate herself and create tension between the two. If she's about truth, she should be written like a detective, but Batman's got that covered. If she's about peace, she should be a redeemer but Superman's already got that covered. If she's about female empowerment, its REALLY easy for writers to take it too far and alienate the majority of comic book readers.

WW desperately needs something like All Star Superman or TDKR. A single writer dissolving everything that works about the character into a single story that future writers can use as a starting point.

>It is. She's Zeus' fucking daughter.
Are you sure?
I'm thought Rucka retconned that away.

Didio told James Robison to retcon it right back. It's hopeless.

>If she's about peace, she should be a redeemer but Superman's already got that covered.
The bigger issue is that the status quo mandate that plagues comic books means villains have a 100% recidivism rate. Diana can't redeem anyone, because they've gotta backslide.

I've never really read any Wonder Woman comics, but if she's really lacking all that stuff how did she manage to stick around for fifty years and be an A-lister? Was it just because she's part of the trinity or was it something else?

This is exactly why I can't bother with Wonder Woman despite wanting to give her a fair shake. There's new rules every goddamn writer.

She has staying power and iconography of being the preeminent big name female superhero.
There's also an asterisk not often spoken of outside of nerd circles: for a large chunk of her eighty or so year lifespan, Wonder Woman comics *had* to be published or else the rights to the character would revert to the Marston estate. She effectively had an extra layer of immunity from cancellation.

GUYS!

> Pre-New52
Inconsistent.

> New52
Diana is full on nuke proof (although the radiation did make her sick)

> Rebirth
Bullets will fully go through Diana but her endurance is strong and she can keep going typically as you see in pic related.

> Injustice
Bulletproof

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Then surround her with a cast of redeemed C-list villains from her 50+ years of history that no one cares about for a run and see if it sticks
Every decade or so they find an angle that works for awhile but doesn't stick. The demi-god Grecco-Roman emphasis is the latest one of those. 90s and biker chick WW, there was the famous tv show in the 70s, and so on.

Wonder Woman was fine until the 60's. It's around the 60's that DC started to fuck around with the character in an attempt to elevate her because feminists were complaining. For DC at the time the bright idea was to turn Wonder Woman into Superman's cockslut. Superman was their biggest male hero at the time, so if Wonder Woman became more like him and maybe ended up as his special lady then surely feminists would appreciate the character now. DC only stopped pulling that shit in the late 90's, but by then very few people remembered what Wonder Woman really were supposed to be like. From there on it has been a wild make-over after another.

Same thing somewhat happened with Captain Marvel after DC put their hands on the character.

Two absolutely good responses I didn't expect to get at all, thanks my dear lads.

I feel like, sadly and unfortunately since this is a WW discussion, that it's Superman that needs fixing back into a cocksure take-no-shit but friendly dude, so she can be fixed in turn and turned back into that peaceful and serene redeemer you guys mentioned. Superman was supposed to be the ultimate guy but, well, SUPER, obviously. But still a normal guy you and I could talk to and even pal around with (heh heh, Superman's Pal, what a concept!) while WW exudes an utter calmness and comfort like you'd hope for from paramedics or firefighters or all rescuing you.

Heck, it rolls into their villains' gimmicks and unifying theme. Superman's enemies and even his sci-fi ones can still be based in the ultimate -broad- issues of humanity, if he's the Man of Tomorrow let his foes be stuff we need to take down to become him: Zod the ultimate representation of militarism, Parasite that of greed, Metallo sadism, Toyman rejection and refusal to move on. WW's I felt, even mythological ones, are tthose that can bug people -individually- or keep them from love or whatever: Dr. Psycho about misogyny, Cheetah is jealousy, Giganta in scientist-origin inferiority complexes, Veronica Cale tall poppy syndrome... even Baroness Von Gunther as arrogance and Dr. Cyber vanity and all that. You'll see for both you can theme up BOTH normal human baddies and totally sci-fi/mythological comic booky enemies alike representing various aspects of those themes. Superman fighting humanity's issues as a whole while WW tackles the personal and individual failings.

This too, I feel really bad she's in an endless loop of retcons since so many individual supporting civilians, fellow Wonder-family members, villains, plot points, etc. are great and could even bounce off of one another well.

>> Injustice
>Bulletproof

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>Then surround her with a cast of redeemed C-list villains from her 50+ years of history that no one cares about for a run and see if it sticks
I'll tell you exactly what will happen if they do that. The editors and suits alike will look and see a momentary blip in increased sales and think it's because people really liked those C list villians, so they need to start pushing them more, which means they have to be villains again.

>created by the inventor of the lie detector
>has a lasso that hurts people that are lying
I dunno user, you tell me.

Strength/Durability from Demeter
Speed/Flight from Hermes
Beauty of Aphrodite
Wisdom of Athena
Hunter's eye and warrior skills of Artemis, communication with animals
Immunity to fire from Hestia

>Speed/Flight from Hermes
Miss me with that shit.

>WW exudes an utter calmness and comfort like you'd hope for from paramedics or firefighters or all rescuing you.
You can keep the grecco-roman emphasis, just approach it from the angle of classical philosophy with less to do about gods and mythology. Combine the two in an interesting way. It would work with the right writer.

>No matter how hard they try, Wondy will never be taken seriously except by her die hard fans
The movie making a lot of money and getting stellar reviews proves otherwise.

Even if you put aside the fact that a lot of reviewers and culture critics spend decades demanding a Wonder Woman movie to the point that they were sunken cost fallacied into being kinder to the eventual film than they might have been otherwise, Zack Snyder shat the bed in such an epic manner that pretty much anything was going to be a breath of fresh air afterwards.

It just occurred to me.

Did the reason we didn't see much new WW stuff being made, no cartoon or a big-name writer going to the comics or whatever, was because no one had any fucking idea where to begin with her terms of overall plots and themes?

She's had it since Perez, get over it

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And yet nothing has changed despite that.

Wonder Woman was all about proving to both girls and boys that ladies didn't need to act "manly" to be taken seriously. That a woman, a wife, or a mom could hold as much power in a house with their grace and persuasion than any men therein, if not more than the men. That there was a "loving authority" in women.

So to exemplify that you'd have Wonder Woman, this beautiful, witty, and kind woman who wouldn't be as powerful as Superman, but would be "tough" enough get out of some jams, but even then the stories wouldn't feature her clocking in mobsters or anything of the like. Instead she'd be caught by the bad guys, put in some bondage, then escape with her wit, once freed come up with a whimsical solution to take the bad guys, leave the bad guys speechless, and then somehow convince the bad guys that they had been very naughty and would come back together with her amazon sisters to her island to undergo some very sexy lessons about niceness and politeness. Girls would feel inspired and boys would feel horny.

This no-nonsense Wonder Woman who's always carrying a sword ready for a fight, is always exchanging earth-shattering blows with bad guys, and is never seen weak or hurt is just not how Wonder Woman was. Wonder Woman sometimes acts more tough and manly than Superman and Batman.

No, she doesn't. She used sword and spear very rarely during Perez run.

No, it was mostly because of rights issues. The Marston estate retained partial ownership of the IP, and had a clause that said Diana could not appear in adaptations in which she was not the protagonist(Justice League got around this by being an ensemble piece). This changed several years ago when DC managed to buy WW outright.

Now, the reason they never just went ahead and made a cartoon starring Diana was that, well, they didn't really want to. They don't give a shit about her despite fighting to own all the rights to her. Yeah.

I was talking about Hermes' speed and flight.

Learn to follow a thread

The Invisible Jet is stupid. Unless its completely invisible and you can't see the inside from the outside, its stupid.

>There's new rules every goddamn writer.
That can be said about every character. Its a big problem with the big 2 when every new writer will have a different interpretation of a character. Aaron's Thor is a prime example of this at Marvel atm.

The speed since the Kanigher period

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Those Amazons are really desperate for dick.

>Stronger than Hercules
Hercules can overpower Superman with raw physical strength. Something which Wonder Woman is incapable of.

>ME NO UNDERSTAND CONCEPT OF DIEGESIS, THEREFORE THING STUPID
Motherfucker, nobody in-universe can see her in there, that's for the audience's benefit.

WW hasn’t been a well written or consistently written for a long while now. Daughter of Zeus was a mistake.

She should be a caring warrior princess. Xena did WW right personality and power set

Xena is a bloody mass murder before she decided to turn over a new leaf.

That's actually her problem. Too many attempts to distill WW down to a single defining trait. Look at Superman, he's got a bunch of takes on him, several of which are incongruous with each other. Ennis' version is distinct from Morrison's which is distinct from Johns which is distinct from Kelly's, but they all stem from a group of traits we identify as belonging to Superman. She doesn't need an ASS or TDKR, she needs something closer to Morrison's Batman run that shows that the disparate takes on the character can all work with each other.

No Achilles? Guess that answers OP, doesn't it?

And DiDio makes sure to make everything worse, every time.

You're not wrong but at the same time we were literally talking about origin shit like "is she half Zeus or not".
That should be basic enough that every writer can get on the same page about it.

You would think Wisdom of Solomon would include all of Solomon's knowledge of magic like summoning and controlling djinns etc.

WW likes to snap necks still fits

I meant once she became a full on good girl.

And yet they cant. Azz to Finch to Rucka to etc proves this. Azz gave god baby, Finch implied no god baby, Rucka gave clay baby, and than back to god baby once Rucka is gone.

And there he is

Most of WW's major Golden Age villains are exactly what you're describing.

WW's issue go back further than that. Kanigher was a great writer, but very rarely brought his A-game to Wonder Woman. He torched her supporting cast and rogues gallery, often phoned it in, and was such a prickly and temperamental person that that editors and coworkers would simply rubberstamp whatever he turned in rather deal with a potential blowup if he was told to redo something. She was in a critical and sales slump when O'Neil was brought on; it's often forgotten that O'Neil was THE revamp guy during this period.

It probably does, Billy just rarely needed that kind of stuff.

Post-Flashpoint does exactly that. Is capable of summoning objects. Granted its not use much because writers are hacks.

Had she taken that plot device pill yet?

They probably can't get on the same page because, as fans, a lot of them probably fucking hate the god baby retcon and try to fix stuff under the radar. Then, as DiDio keeps trying to push his Nu52 again, that gets re-retconned.

Don't forget there are fans who are ambivalent about the god baby retcon and some who like it.

Nah, her powerlevel is just scaled up to rival Supes in this universe

and yet is was shit

that was until flashpoint.
>inb4 muh rebirth

You know the origin of Wonder Woman and the man who created her is so goddamn odd, idk if this user is joking or being 100% serious

Billy's pantheon is a bullshit collection of people, including a Demi god and some nobodies who have nothing to do with the pagan gods or goddesses; it all boils down to "because magic" in his case.

In Diana's case, her original origin has been highly changed as far as actual origin and actual abilities, very little of which had anything to do originally with the pantheon.

Diana is not technically a demigod in the way that the Ancient Greeks (and classicists) usually think of the terminology; besides with, that's a VERY modern interpretation; previously, since inception, she's not even a true demigod. Billy was never a 'god' in his superhero form while written by Fawcett.

>Billy was never a 'god' in his superhero form while written by Fawcett.
Can you legally prove that in a court of law?

>Captain Marvel also has a Roman god

Roman and greek gods are one in the same. Just different names.

Diana is powered by a few gods while Billy is powered by many

Wodner Woman not being bullet proof is absolutely retarded and there's no excuse for it. If she can take a punch from Superman she shouldn't even feel bullets. And none of you give me that "piercing" shit" either because I'm sure a light speed bunch from some super powered cunt is more piercing than any bullet

Magic, ain't gotta explain shit

Technically, all European pagan gods are the same.

>This is exactly why I can't bother with Wonder Woman despite wanting to give her a fair shake. There's new rules every goddamn writer.
This. Dropped her at the beginning new52 when I realized this.

Diana doesn't "draw" her powers from anywhere. She has no "power source" and can't be depowered by severing her connection with the gods the way Billy can, because she's not an ordinary woman elevated to the status of a superbeing- she was created to be a superbeing from the start, and thus has those qualities inherently.

In light of that, my interpretation is that she's just a being who was created with a baseline set of extraordinary abilities. Those abilities did not happen to include being impervious to bullets, likely because at the time she was created by Hippolyta, guns weren't yet a consideration.

Technically, all Indo-European gods are the same.
Thor and Indra are basically clones baka desu senpai

>Roman and greek gods are one in the same.
No, only plebs believe this because they don't actually know about mythology
Absolutely retarded, you might as well say Odin is Allah

This is what happen when white people grow up christcucks - the only religion you know is the one (((they))) taught you.

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This question makes absolutely no sense. Just because both their powers are related to the greek gods doesn't mean anything in terms of what power they should have.

You might as well have said, "Wolverine and Cyclops are both mutants, so why can't Wolverine shoot lasers out of his eyes?"...