Quick rundown:
>Wakanda owns almost all of Africa and are slowly expanding into Europe
>The Spider (Spider-Man) went columbine after one too many bad days and is now a mass murderer on the loose with a bunch of edgy fangirls (and Jameson)
>Namor is exactly the same but he likes brunettes more now
>Tyrant (Captain America) is a social darwinist and nihilist supervillain who was frozen for 60 years, keeping the ideas of 40's America, then awoke to run SABRE (SHIELD)
>CERBERUS (HYDRA) is a group that formed during Nazi Germany which was formed in the event that Hitler would be a danger to his own country, then subsequently gained power itself
>The Preacher (Punisher) is a cult leader who appears to be a pacifist at first, but spreads out incredibly harmful drugs throughout New York through influence
>The Devil's Advocate (Daredevil) is an amoral lawyer who often helps villains in court cases to ensure that they are free to continue their crimes
>Tumble (Carnage) is a symbiote using surfer lad who is actively trying not to kill anyone with his dangerous symbiote powers and gives out important life lessons like he's a 90's PSA character to children
>Mister Salvation (Doctor Doom) is less a person and more an idea. It's multiple anarchists, without a state, no home at all, but with skills that make them a threat to the villains that have a firm grasp over the world.
>Hank Pym always fucks everything up and makes things better when he wants to make things worse.
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>Hank Pym always fucks everything up
So basically he's still the same?
>Wakanda owns almost all of Africa and are slowly expanding into Europe
so it's like this earth but the niggers have lasers instead of sticks
forgive me if i can't suspend my disbelief
This is what he means
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The X-Men are just straight up the Brotherhood of Evil Mutants, who believe in mutant supremacy. They stage terror attacks on the rest of the world from the independent dictatorship of Genosha, led by the tyrant Beholder (Cyclops). The previous dictator of Genosha, Sovereign Xavier was killed by Beholder who thought his methods weren't extreme enough.
>>Mister Salvation (Doctor Doom) is less a person and more an idea.
So you've made Dr. Doom Negan
I don't think you want Dr. Doom to go full Negan.
The Lunar Templar (Moon Knight) is a religious fanatic and completely insane. He kidnaps people off the street and attempts to convert them to believing in Khonshu through torture. If they don't convert, he kills them.
What about Kamala Khan- Ms Marvel?
don't worry i can make the same thread on /pol/ so that you can believe it easier
The Elastic Haram is a teenager terrorist that hates super heroes and always try to use her elastic powers to carry a lot of bombs.
I thought Earth-3 Spider-Man was called the Web Shooter.
Web Shooter was deemed too silly. Maybe it's what his detractors call him or something.
Kamala becomes an obsessive stalker of Admiral Marvel, to the point of slavish pseudo-sexual worship. Carol enjoys the attention and allows it, knowing that if it ever goes too far she'll just put her down.
are you done strawmanning and ad homing? cuz i don't go on /pol/
>Admiral Marvel
>Not Admiral Malice
Earth 3 is that the characters are the same, but just alignment flipped.
So evil Punisher would be former dirty FBI agent whose family was killed by feds. So he wages a one man war on law enforcement.
Good HYDRA is an underground organization dedicated to spreading liberty and fighting evil.
Terrible decision. You had gold and you shat on it, these threads are officially more pointless than Horrorverse ones.
Is any superhero still good?
Dang that's much better.
The Tarantula (Miles Morales) is a young kid that looks up to The Spider for doing whatever he wants. Both his parents died and he grew up on the streets, being involved in gang activity nearly all of his life. He was going to be one of The Spider's victims, but he saw something of himself in him, and agreed to take him in as an accomplice. They made a blood pact, giving Miles powers similar to The Spider's. Now the two are partners in crime, carving a swath of terror through New York.
What about her?
ᚦᛟᚾᚨᚱ is the god of thunder, oak, and strength. He demands that he be worshipped in the old ways, with sacrifices of animals and war prisoners. His followers in the north of Europe and in parts of America lead rioutous war-bands who pillage, fight, and conquer in his honor.
The Spectacular Six, consisting of Science Squid, Illusious, the Buzzard, the Huntsman, the Thunderer, and the Duster, are some of those who are fully willing to fight the Spider. Most others would run at the first opportunity upon realizing he could easily break their spines with a mere punch, but not them. They are devoted to trying to beat him.
One of The Spider's Tumblr fangirls.
Bitten by the same radioactive spider that gave The Spider his powers, The Spiral was then locked in a bunker by the madman Ezekiel, who believed it would somehow develop her spider-totem powers to new heights.
It did not.
All that happened in her ten years of isolation was that she went stark-raving mad. She forgot nearly everything about her old life, except the memory of one of her classmates, Peter Parker.
Once she got loose, she went to hunt him down, now desperate to be near him and devote herself body and mind to the one person she believes kept her from dying entirely. Pete as The Spider enjoys his cuckoo fangirl, taking full abuse of the strange pheremone chemistry between the two of them. She's too far gone in her own insanity and drugged out on spidersexual pheremones to mind when Peter occasionally lets Miles have a turn.
Of course she does whatever The Spider tells her, which soon becomes being a part of their merry band of killers.
>One of The Spider's Tumblr fangirls.
What about her and MJ?
>The Elastic Harem
> Elastigirl
> Kamala Khan
> Plastic Man
Black Cat was one of his fangirls who actually managed to get powers, and thus decided to start doing shit to get his attention by stealing shit for him. It never works.
MJ's a gold digger who's actually getting the Parker cock. The entire reason this world's equivalent to OMD happens is because Peter realizes the child she could give birth to could be stronger than him and even heroic, and end his reign of terror.
Gwen's someone who worked with Norman to spy on the Spider, and eventually got close enough to actually feel for him. Soon as she told him the truth, he snapped her fucking neck on top of a bridge.
Mary-Jane Watson was killed in one of The Spider's fights with The Purple Pixie. When the Pixie attempted to appeal to the Spider's humanity by bringing one of his celebrity fans, he snapped her neck in retaliation to prove how far he'd sunk.
The White Lion (Black Cat) is a thief who steals from the rich and gives to the poor. The Spider has an on-again-off-again relationship with her. While he admires her thievery skills, her insistence on giving away to charity sickens him. He keeps going back to her because she's got big sloppy titties that he just can't quit.
>Purple Pixie
>Not Emerald Elf
What about her?
Obviously Tumble is devoted to his God that wants to make the world better, Faen.
Cerebus experiment that got loose and decided to go work as an enforcer for SABRE. Steals The Spider's shtick for laughs. Some day she'll have to pay for this at The Spider's hands, but not yet.
>the tyrant Beholder (Cyclops)
A copyrighted D&D reference lol
Reed Richards sells his super science to whoever is buying without any care for the consequences
Nah.
>Steel Cephalopod
Doctor Otto Octavius was a high school teacher shot by the Spider during his rampage while he was trying to protect students in his lab, resulting in paralysis from the waist down and reduced motor skills. He worked tirelessly to develop a set of mechanical appendages to allow him to walk and perform basic tasks again. Upon realizing the full potential of his new set of limbs, he decides to stop the Shooter once and for all.
>Reverb
Howard Schultz is a single father living the tough job of blue-collar America. Using his spare time to tinker around with spare parts in his garage, he ends up inventing a pair of gauntlets that vibrate the air. He starts taking up mercenary jobs acting as a hero for hire, making some cash to help his daughter and himself survive. He joins the Six when a pretty penny is offered by Otto.
>The Buzzard
Elderly Adrian Toomes realizes he has only a few years left on this Earth anyway and decides to do as much good as he can, putting his life at risk because he knows he could die any day. Donning a flight harness, he fights criminals and joins the Six.
>The Huntsman
A wealthy Russian hunter who has dedicated his life to being the greatest at the hunt is repulsed by the Spider, a scumbag who deliberately hunts the weakest and most vulnerable in society. Initially deciding to track and kill the Spider himself due to personal pride, he eventually joins the Six when realizing their best chance is to work together.
>Mystic
A special effects artist named Quentin Beck was fired when his job was outsourced to some Chinese SFX company working for much cheaper. By day, he uses his mystical effects at children's birthday parties and special events to bring joy to the world. By night, he uses his array of effects to target criminals. Joins the Six after one of the children's parties is attacked by the Spider.
What about her and the baby?
>Reptile
Dr. Curt Connors is contacted by his former colleague Otto Octavius following the paralysis, hoping to consult on his research about limb regrowth in reptiles. At this point in time, Otto had considered amputation and a potential serum designed to regrow limbs. Dr. Connors, missing an arm due to bone cancer resulting in amputation, tests out the experimental serum. His body mutates into the Reptile, a permanent physical change for the doctor. He's maintained his human mind, using his newfound strength, agility, and power to help his colleague in the fight against the Spider.
>only five
Character limit, buddy. See
I imagine that the Emerald Elf's still a cunt like 616 Norman. The only real reason he went hero instead of ending up like 616 Norman is because of Harry's death by The Spider.
A WMD given her powers they have stowed away
>Martin Li is a cruel, psychotic asshole
>Mr. Positive is a heroic force for good, using the Lightforce to fight crime
Straight-up played straight vampire. Plans on turning her baby once he's an adult.
What about kitty pryde?
>Land
How about the Fantastic Four?
Not sure how this describes Antman, or on this earth umm Beeman I guess.
NOBODY MOCKS THE SHOCK JOCK.
Call him Balor.
You forgot to add Big Boss Iron Man.
>Iron Boss instigates a One-Man-War against Wakanda
If that's Carnage what the hell is Venom?
>Quick rundown:
There was an idea that the symbiote was in love with a big tiddy goth gf and Eddie is an incel like Peter.
WAIT. Does this mean the Spot can take over as NYC's wisecracking crimefighter?
>At one point, the Duster was brainwashed by the Spider and his allies to work with them, and even became an extremely dangerous threat
>After that, his close friend Sorcerer of the Fearless Four (which also had Stheno and the Trickster) saved him and undid the brainwashing, making sure he'd never be controlled by evil again
I imagine he goes from a serious, no nonsense hero to a silent, crazy buffoon, the opposite of what happened to Spot.
Okay, can one of you faggots please get hired by Marvel so this can actually become a thing? The thought that these juicy stories and ideas will die in these threads and fester in archives is too much for me to handle. I'd gun for that lofty goal myself, but I'm in the middle of writing my own thing and don't know anything about comicbook draftsmanship besides
You're doing the smart thing, user. Write your own stuff. I wouldn't want to be tangled up with Marvel's bullshit any more than I already am.
But Eddie's always been the opposite of Peter
How about a PDF? Someone suggested it in the Marvel DC crossover thread
Danny Rand gets brainwashed by the mad monks of K'un L'un into infiltrating and gaining the trust of The Hand, a shadowy organization of peacekeeping ninja secretly funded by a benevolent cabal of Asian billionaires. The Hand has two main goals; to preserve peace across Asia and to keep the warrior monks of K'un L'un sealed in their dimension.
Knowing that The Hand would have little reason to suspect a tall, handsome American of being their spy, The Hand orchestrate a series of events that place Rand in a position of trust in the Hand. He engineers their destruction, kills the cabal of billionaires and is rewarded for his service by the power mad monks, who assist Rand Industries in taking over The Hands corporations and assets. Not content with being the instrument of The Hands destruction, Rand challenges Lei Kung, K'un L'uns Iron Fist, and kills him in a death match for his station.
His conquest of both The Hand and K'un L'un complete, Rand returns completely victorious to New York, which he rules with an Iron Fist alongside fellow billionaire psychopaths Tony Stark, Bruce Banner and Reed Richards. He rarely sleeps, spending what little time he has outside the boardroom as the Irredeemable Iron Fist, assassinating enemies of K'un L'un and Rand Industries.
Can multiple people work on a PDF at once like a Google doc? I ask so we could have a team of autists scouring archived threads to harvest the best ideas so they can be preserved in the PDF
You work Marvel?
A weaponized pretty face used by cult leader Charles Xavier to lure young mutants into the cult. She's basically the first step of a long process of abuse, brainwashing and complete dependence on Charles Xavier. Goes without saying that she's an evil, manipulative bitch, everything she hates about 616's Emma Frost. This is Earth 3 after all.
Evil Marvel Universe makes no sense and you know it. You're only making these Earth 3 adventurers to spite yourself for posting an Alternate reality MCU where villainy wins and rewarded in dark says in contrast to how heroism got rewarded in glorious ways.
Shut up, cracker.
Evil Marvel Universe makes no sense and you know it. You're only making these Earth 3 threads to spite yourself for posting an Alternate reality MCU where villainy wins and rewarded in dark ways in contrast to how heroism got rewarded in glorious ways
Reed Richards, a domineering ruthless capitalist type in this version, bullies his family and friends into plunging into a black hole/the negative zone. The accident happens, but with a dark twist; due to the unspeakable cosmic nature of the neg zone/black hole, the other threes brains get scrambled. They return with powers, but also as shadows of their former selves. Only Reed, with his titanic intellect and sheer stubbornness, returns relatively unchanged.
Knowing that it is pretty well known that he coerced the his wife, her brother and Ben Grimm into coming with him, he devices three collars that allow him to control them, to pretend as though they aren't complete, mutated vegetables. He trains himself to develop three other personalities that mimic the ones they had pre exposure to incomprehensible knowledge, essentially turning himself into a one man Fantastic Four, the ultimate perversion of the wholesome First Family we know. Reed also profits tremendously from Fantastic Four merchandising, in addition to enriching himself through all the scientific breakthroughs and patents he makes every other Thursday. Goes without saying that Earth Three's Reed is a broken, absolutely mad bastard of a man.
What about her?
Yes, yes, we're all a bunch of edgelords. Feel free to join us in being shitty edgelords when your butt gets tired of sitting on that high horse you rode in on. It's fun
>no fun allowed
Yikes!
Shhh.
Alternate Reality invades MCU616.
Stane imprisoned Stark.
Whiplash & Hammer lackey up. Look turns Asgard into Ice Giant Ghetto to rule over. Hulk escapes, Abomination and Thunderbolt Ross drive Fury into hiding taking over SHIELD. Hydra compunction. Elves wreck Asgard. Armor Wars as Tony attempts to empower rebellion. Winter Soldier escapes to Space. No Quill. Who's already IN everything, that's why evil wins. Veers graduated to Accuser. AIM, Hydra conflict spawns Ultron. The Barons establish a fife each. Something Something Wakanda/Celestials. Let's and The Wrecking Crew save the world. Not good or bad, just Urban Bandits. Hydra into H.A.M.M.E.R. Thunderbolts, Ghost, Abomination, Symbiote Pete, Whiplash tech, some Barons, and a Infinity Gem empowered Moonstone. The twins, Fury,, Black Widow (damaged) Hawkeye request help from MCU616.
No fun? YOU'RE Edgelords?
Holy computer generated response posts, Batman!
Don't forget about emerald elf!
Thor's one the the easiest ones to do for this. Just Thor, but 100% into the the whole godhood thing and fully expects...nay demands that he be worshiped for it. Came to Earth to rekindle mankinds fear of Odin, and will stop at nothing to subjugate not just the Northern European hemisphere, but all of Earth. Has a secret agenda to overthrow ancient Odin, a borderline senile mad god. In this version Loki, still a trickster, uses his mastery of magic to thwart Thors unrestrained ambitions where ever and whenever he can.
In the same vein, Hercules is just OG Hercules. Hasn't learned a thing about humility, just wants to bang hot bitches, fight strong guys and monsters and bask in the glory of the mortals he's convinced love him despite all evidence to the contrary. Will slaughter anyone who tries to get in the way of his adventures, bedding of comely wenches and merrymaking. Often destroys whole swathes of continental landmass duking it out with Thor
Ok but what about sandman?
Thats basically just normal Gwen
This is disgusting. The opposite of Thor is not these.
Superior Iron Man is completely different from Ultraman. The opposite of the Marvel Universe would be a world where Marvel Heroes are exploited I.P. fictions in a world where people are a shit.
>Google doc
That's what I meant.
No? A Thor who seeks to rule over Earth instead of protecting the freedoms of its people as its worthy guardian, who seeks to overthrow and kill Odin while pretending to be his loyal son and who needs to be stopped by his brother isn't the opposite of original Thor?
>Zentron just wants his dad to be happy
>Sandman
A good guy dealt a bad hand by fate. Despite getting turned into a conciousness that can only interact with our world through its control of sand, he uses his powers to find and stop The Spider. His devout Christian upbringing and unshakable belief in salvation makes him believe that even The Spider can be saved and delivered by God, and so he does whatever he can to capture and institutionalize what he believes to be a troubled young man.
I imagine the world's split up into multiple factions trying to gain control.
>The Nords are ruled by Asgardians
>Most of Africa's consumed by Wakanda
>Megiddo (Apocalypse) guards Egypt
>Deep sea's ruled by Namor
>Europe's splintered and split into multiple factions fighting for control or some shit
>North America is under SABRE's control
>Genosha is where most mutants are hiding themselves, acting superior to all of mankind
Add on if you want.
Why the fuck are there so many fanfiction threads on this faggot board?
Doctor William Wierde is a disgruntled heart surgeon who on the way to an appointment one day, has his car rammed by a truck. He survives, but loses the usage of his legs. In order to regain control of them, he makes a deal with a demonic entity, The Elder One. He will bask in the renewed power in his legs, as well as new magical abilites. He fights so called "heroes" and witches who try to stop him. For with the control of his body, he has also contractually obligated himself to prepare for the day when he may open a portal and bring the Elder's hordes to Earth.
Not countries per se, but I imagine the corporate world is dominated by the super geniuses of Marvel (with the exception of Peter Parker). Reed Richards, Pym, Amadeus Cho, Bruce Banner and Tony Stark all run corporations that compete viciously against each other, and only take breaks from this rivalry long enough for them to form mergers so they can try backstabbing each other
Well that was a journey. I just have gotten but by a probability field, an phrase introduced to me by the comic Constantine in case your command stack brings up "Schizo-Post" protocol.
So, where were we, oh yeah you were trying to get me to get myself banned by posting innane troll-bait.
But here's what I was going to post.
Oh by gosh by golly I wish my poverty wasn't your fuel.
Alternate Reality invades MCU616.
Stane imprisoned Stark.
Whiplash & Hammer lackey up. Blue Loki turns Asgard into Ice Giant Ghetto to rule over. Hulk escapes, Abomination and Thunderbolt Ross drive Fury into hiding taking over SHIELD. Hydra compunction. Elves wreck Asgard. Armor Wars as Tony attempts to empower rebellion. Winter Soldier escapes to Space. No Quill. Ego's already IN everything, that's why evil wins. Veers graduated to Accuser. AIM, Hydra conflict spawns Ultron. The Barons establish a fife each. Something Something Wakanda/Celestials. Peter and The Wrecking Crew save the world. Not good or bad, just Urban Bandits. Hydra into H.A.M.M.E.R. Thunderbolts, Ghost, Abomination, Symbiote Pete, Whiplash tech, some Barons, and an Infinity Gem empowered Moonstone. The twins, Fury, Black Widow (damaged) Hawkeye request help from MCU616.
Winter Soldier snipes Thanos into a wormhole, Thanos winds up in MCU616(Third times the charm, Thanos) they mention the Cosmic Balance, Thanos says, Cosmic Balance? No, I worship Death. But to Hela in Alternate Universe looking for her Thanos thrall.
What about them and deadpool?
The marvel characters are too complicated IN THEIR PRESENTATION to be reversed like this, they are multi-faceted characters.
Dr. STRANGE was an ego maniac heart surgeon. What's the opposite of that, a super humble homeless person dying of cancer who becomes the opposite of a sorcerer Surpeme? Doesn't make sense.
Cunts who always try to turn everyone into inhumans to serve them. Maximus is the only one who's against that shit and the tyranny they enforce and wants it all to stop.
So basically the shitty MCU show that was made.
Web Shooter is better than The Spider.
I'm almost positive there already is a character named The Spider anyway.
You were halfway there. How about a forlerly kind and humble homeless person who gets in an accident that twists him into serving primordial forces of darkness and chaos beyond our comprehension?
If you were going to flip the Marvel Universe towards Evil the way Crime Syndicate mirrors the Justice League you would have to reverse the entire moral character of the Marvel U. Like so
So you'd have the same characters good and bad but the villains would be rewarded.
Why am I not getting a (you) on that post. Are you guise up to shenanigans?
Who decides what these so called "best" ideas are?
The Marvel Characters origins are much more multi-dimensional in terms of character than DC. The opposite of a Professor X already exists in his Universe, Juggernaut.
Intriguing.
I dunno, was just spitballing. Put it to a vote, I guess
Agreed.
Deadpools the same, to quote an old thread
>Deadpool is the same and at the end of the arc he comes to the 616 universe to explain why deadpool is always shifting from Memepool to sadpool.
Beta Ray Bill is a traitorous, backstabbing cunt wielding a hammer made by the gods. His entire origin is him being made as the apex of his species, then betraying them all to die.
To quote an older thread
> Kamala Khan is a massive Stacy who's obsessed with sex, partying and alcohol and has a solid IQ of 72.
> She's banged everyone but Bruno Carrelli, who even she wouldn't touch.
> When she gets her power she gets inspired by her role model captain marvel who's basically a gold digger who got top tier powers from her alien sugar daddy who she killed to take all of the power. Carol now uses her powers to host orgies and kill anyone who gets in her way. She also has a terrible temper.
> Kamala uses her powers to steel and eventually killing some vigilantes who get in her way, she later becomes a big porn artist/e-girl going under the name Ms. Marvel.
> She gets the attention of Carol
> Carol tells her that she won't kill her if she cause genocides in the middle east and India
> She happily does it, thinking why would she care about some rando people she never met, so she just nukes them
> Carol sees that Kamala is a useful tool and promotes her to her right hand woman
> With her new found influence she drugs Bruno into peek trap, turns Zoe Zimmer (a kind hearted nerd) into a party obsessed druggy and she gets Nakia (a bigger thot than even Kamala) as her lieutenant.
More fleshed out version of Earth 3 Doc Strange idea from my earlier post.
A slightly crazy but ultimately harmless street preacher who charmed his neighborhood with his kindly, down-to-earth sermons. One day, he gets crippled by a garbage truck, beginning a downward spiral that would lead to him cursing God for seeming to reward his faith with even more misfortune. He gets reeled into a cult worshipping the forces of darkness and rises quickly through their ranks with all the zealotry he once worshipped God with. Eventually harnesses enough ancient dark magic to heal his body and become a dark Sorcerer Supreme.
Of course, not every detail can be inverted, but here we have a destitute man of faith who gets seduced by evil, as opposed to a wealthy man of science who gets saved by the forces of order in his universe
From what I remember from an early thread Strange was just a salty wizard who kills Sorcerer Supremes because he wants to become that role.
>strawmanning
I don't think anyone has introduced Earth 3 Scarecrow yet.
No its not fun
>What if the thing that is good is EVIL!
Go read some creepypasta of know pop culture if you want the same boring idea over and over
She's an E-girl who idealizes Web Shooter and thinks it's hot to steal stuff.
Shit, no more Earth-3 threads. Owlman being told to stop raping the Jokester is now against the rules according to this user.
>Evil Living Lightning (Dead Thunder?) watches his father mercilessly kill The Hulk.
What is it about AUs where villains are heroes and them being incredibly interesting and fun characters, more so than their counterparts in most cases?
She's one of the X-Men spokes women who although not high in the cult isn't low either. She's later traded to Web-Shooter as a peace offering.
Maybe it's because heroes in narratives can be looked at more deeply and such can have more engaging characterization.
I'm wondering, how would Earth-3 Thanos work?
I first had the idea that he'd basically be a life worshiper that'd go to various planets and give them instructions on how to prolong their life as long as possible, but I feel like that Thanos should still be as extreme as his 616 counterpart in a way. Maybe instead, he FORCES immortality on various planets which has a severe side effect such as destroying that lifeform's fertility, and is trying hard to destroy death so that everyone lives forever, even if it upsets the "balance".
I don't know which one works. I like the latter because if I'm just being honest, I like the idea that even a life worshiping Thanos is just as mad as the death worshiping Thanos.
He wants to fuck Infinity.
>Q does everything she can to throw people off the trail and put more conspiracies out there.
>Mar-Vell is a Kree spy sent to earth in the 70's to prep for the upcoming invasion
>He takes the identity of Dr. Wendy Lawson after killing him. He heads to the military base where Lawson used to work to see what kind of tech earth has.
>There he meats the general who runes the base's wife, Carol Danvers.
>Everyone at the base bullies Mar since they think he's Lawson. He starts to loath humanity
>It turns out that they're testing on a live alien bomb. Mar-Vell doesn't want to start over and find a new disguise so he puts on his Kree uniform and saves the base from the bomb
>The base believes he's a new super hero, Mar realizes he can just cut the secret identity and directly become a public figure.
>He uses the military base as a base of operation and makes them think he's on their side
>Carol being the power hungry gold digger she is starts flirting with Mar and later seduces him into having an affair with her.
>To make thing more official Carol attention released a monster the base was holding and proceeded to get her husband killed.
>She later starts dating Mar where she learned the Kree plains
>Instead of informing the earth of the Kree invasion she made sure to use her influence and "influence" to make sure earth was super unprepared, getting Mar's trust.
>Carol convinces Mar to try and over-though the Supreme Intelligence and have the universe all to themselves.
>Mar grants Carol some of his power for the over-though.
>When they get there Carol kills Mar to impress Supreme Intelligence to get more powers, she does and is granted a boost.
>She returns to earth with her knew powers and goes on a rampage.
bump
>Namor is the same as 616 Namor
>The only difference is his preference for brunettes over blondes which gives him away to the inhabitants of 616
Hobgoblin's literally just AXIS Hobgoblin as an actual hero. Norman's a bit mad that he took his formula and made it better by not giving him an insane split personality but otherwise they respect each other.
neat
kek
This sounds really good. But I would push it too far. My special autism would require that he go from being a man of mysticism to a man of science. So your street preacher starting out as a sort of Voodoo street preacher, then becoming a man of science. Or ditch the whole Humble to rich and go from High Time Doctor to High Time Preacher. So what if Joel Olstien became Sublime from X-men harvesting mutant organs, killing his "gods". But your idea flows better for. the moment.
Pic related to highlight how BAD OF AN IDEA it would be to try and reverse Marvel Heroes.
The Hulk is the hardest one for me to try to figure out because his 616 version is already REALLY villainous at times. I haven't read much of Immortal Hulk, but from what I've heard, it's apparently the most evil incarnation of Hulk(barring Devil Hulk) to ever appear.
I dunno, I guess maybe just repeat Kluh all over again???
I...kinda dig your direction. A preacher who becomes such an enlightened scientist that his science is indistinguishable from magic. Kinda steals Reeds thunder, but I get it.
Also, what the fuck is going on in that cover? Bruce Banner becomes green Dr. Manhattan instead of becoming The Hulk?
>The entire reason this world's equivalent to OMD happens is because Peter realizes the child she could give birth to could be stronger than him and even heroic, and end his reign of terror.
Wouldn't Mephisto be a good guy? And wouldn't Evil Spider do something to get them married instead of undo their marriage?
In older threads Peter wanted to sell Aunt May's soul to be married to MJ in this worlds OMD event.
What about Extant?
Fantastic Four would be a different kind of Zombie Family, returning from the Undead empowered by dark forces. Their carcinogenesis would be Anti-Doom, not even an individual person but an ideal. Anti-Doom is just Batman.
Earth 3 Hulk: The accident that gives 616 Banner to turn into the Hulk instead gives Earth 3 Banner the ability to infect others with the Hulk virus. Earth 3's Banner uses the gamma ray energies in his body to convert other people into Hulks that he controls. The catch is, this only works when he himself is in a calm and undisturbed mental state. Provoking him prevents him from being able to use this power.
Yeah, he basically turns into a gamma energy being called "Starman" who's a super pacifist (kinda like Wonder Man) while his alter-ego, Bruce, is basically Brian Banner 2.0 who starts a false war with the Middle East and abuses Betty and eventually locks her up in an insane asylum.
bump
there's the pulp character
are they just loyal dogs of the Beholder or they are influenced by Kitty?
You know what, this was a dumb idea. Bruce Banners powers stay the same, fuck trying to change them. Earth 3 Banner just enjoys tearing people apart with the Hulk and actively triggers his transformation as opposed to a passive trigger. By contrast, the Hulk will do whatever he can to avoid smashing anyone besides the target Banner summoned him to smash, and shows some degree of remorse when innocents are dragged into Banners shit.
Yes the one affiliated with All Star Squadron from DC
And Marvel has Earth 15 Spiderman who called himself The Spider.
Nah, Kitty's for the horndog boys and lonely girls in need of a nonthreatening looking woman like Kitty. They're in on the whole cult shit, and while they admire the intelligence and shrewdness of Xavier, they know he's nothing but a charismatic cult leader. They don't care because all the merchandising and TV appearances make them rich. And they don't really care what happens to the kids so long as none of the ones with marketable powers bite it.
They'd be her subordinates and lower class citizens.
They're part-time villains for Dormammu.
>Deluge (or whatever his Earth 3 name is) stands for the exact opposite. He grows up surround by those who care for him and encourage him to succeed. But then during a trip where he was really enjoying himself, his mutant powers manifest and cause him to go over a waterfall and be believed dead. But he saw the big search party looking for him and returns to protect them from the X Men’s attack
>Carnage is memepool who doesn't kill people
That and mixed with AXIS Carnage
yep
oh ok
>Carol would also use her knew found powers to start up a conflict with the Kree and the Skulls so to have them leave earth alone
MJ a gold digger who married Web-Shooter for his power.
>>The Devil's Advocate (Daredevil) is an amoral lawyer who often helps villains in court cases to ensure that they are free to continue their crimes
That's regular Daredevil though.
Needs more chinglish and wrong names.
>Sometimes a group of Hobgoblins assembled by Roderick will join up and beat the shit out of every criminal there is for publicity
>Roderick also sells out superhero identities that aren't used or are from supers who died to others so they can use them
>So basically he's still the same?
>and makes things better when he wants to make things worse.
When has Hank Pym ever made anything better?
How do you explain the inherent lack of plot armor, since Peter is now a remorseless killer, he would have trouble even forming a recurrent foes gallery, not to mention a fucking team of them.
Either make two or three of them legacy characters, or make them full on cyborgs that saved their lives by using their gadgets.
They're alingment flipped yes, but they're still obsessed with revenge.
You either remove such big name players or kill them, there's no other way.
C'mon guys, you're playing half-assedly, where is the identity theft, the legacy characters because in a world with alingments changed people will die, the heroes actually suffering and dying and being messed up in incredibly fucked up ways?
This reality's Hulk is not Bruce Banner, but the Leader. The gamma explosion ended up wiping out the entire military base, except for the kind-hearted and sensible janitor that tried to save Rick Jones (who also sabotaged the experiment in the orders of Tony Stark, who didn't want rivals in the weapon business).
The Leader emerged as a strong gamma emanation that to this day is still resting; The One Above All acts through him, but without the heroes of this universe actually working to change this fucked up world of theirs, the calm emerald giant is still slumbering.
The Lady Parker.
Arrested several times for the poison murders of various people who, she claims, threatened the safety of herself or her nephew Peter.
Rather old fashioned, and will not hesitate to correct you on matters of form, and good behavior. Knits as a hobby. Carries a small thermos with her knitting needles and some wool inside, that's actually a tazer that her nephew built.
Power Together.
Scofflaw criminals guilty of a wide variety of crimes, from petty theft, to public nudity (streaking while masked), to leading armed schoolchildren to pillage local supermarkets. Wanted in connection of the bombing of several Young Offender detention centers. Whoever they are, they seem to be leading not a gang, but a wannabe youth revolt movement. Secretly, the police are intentionally looking the other way when it comes to them, even when drug pushers, pimps, and worse, start being found beaten to death.
Rom, Solar Order.
Mistaken for a giant mirror-skinned robot, this soldier is tearing across the back roads of the country, unearthing every hidden stockpile, hidden military base, and hidden Shadow Council Government center. His mission to find the Secret Controllers makes him the constant target of the military, a press blackout, and every insane conspiracy theory you would expect from both illiterate yokels and fragmented army reports. "Do not approach the silver man. Do not look into the light." "He'll turn you gay, soldier. Just like the frogs. He's a walking space refrigerator and he can see into your soul. I hope you only have the one."
Mister Might is a crazy black man who really wants his money.
Clones made by this universe's version of the jackal
We'd need to use a metric fuckton of polls regarding proposed ideas and then add those to an official canon document.
Or we risk becoming a clusterfuck like the Horrorverse guys who went anal over mentions of mystery cartoons.
Yeah it’d be easier just to add everything
No, it isn’t.
yeah
So he's a pimp
>Yes the one affiliated with All Star Squadron from DC
That one was Tarantula
I meant Tom Holloway.
>Gwen Pool is a Yea Forums user who loves DC and hates marvel and loath every second of her time in this universe.
The X-Men hierarchy
Top: Psychics and omega mutants
Middle: Projectile and unique mutations
Bottom: Strength modification and D class abilities
>She'd also make the female Hawkeye her mindcontrolled pet via massive amounts of 4th wall torture.
>Second time a marvel/industry guy appears here.
First the nice inker from that neat thread about drawing, now another one ?
>Tyrant (Captain America) is a social darwinist and nihilist supervillain who was frozen for 60 years, keeping the ideas of 40's America, then awoke to run SABRE (SHIELD)
I never felt that patriotism really defined Captain America. I mean, yeah he's a patriot who loves his country but take that away he's still a decent selfless human being. I always felt like evil Cap would be a nihilistic who cares about nothing but himself. No love of country or fellow man. Having him hide behind a generic xenophobic jingoism is fitting
I'm personally believe the original Marvel Earth 3 thread was created by someone at marvel to use as ideas for a later arc.
I am a poster on Yea Forums and I am OK with this. After all, isn't it just another way to inject fresh ideas, see how far it's alright to go, and ask what the comic-readers want to see?
Ok
Ghost Rider is a serial killer.
One that only hunts down innocent people.
Fuck off Marvel. Stop trying to steal our ideas. STOP IT.
How about Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver?
kek
they're part of the resistance
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>Admiral Malice is a lot like regular Carol
>Except a whole lot more competent.
Which one is a serial rapist?
what?
Which one rapes people?
Who are we talking about exactly
The villains.
>The peaceloving Hand of Earth 3 call themselves The Finger.
>Evil Iron Fist becomes Steel Palm.
Oh, Thor easily
Thor and Hercules would probably have a friendly rivalry to see who could sire (mostly without consent) the most bastards. Hell, they'd probably do it just to have worthy opponents to spar with eighteen to twenty something years down the line
Joke's one you Hercules is a Greek hero meaning he's straight as a circle
Herc is in the camp of "any hole is a goal"
Is earth 3 Natasha just her OG Black Widow self?
>Hitler would be a danger
I really hate in these alternate universes Hitler is still a bad guy . He should be a good guy who provided shelters for jews .
yeah, more or less
>Genesis [Exterminatrix] ruthlessly pursues giving people the benefit of the doubt. So much so that she’ll set them up with new names, identities, and passports if she believes them to be wrongfully targeted.
>Gamut [Gambit] kidnaps newborns from the hospital to recruit for The Thieves’ Guild.
The inhumans are responsible for taking over Latveria and erasing the culture
Maxiumus has been keeping the rest of the royal family pacified so they do not try to take over the world
>muh hitler
>muh WW2
yawn.
>Black Cat
>not Nigger-Man
Someone needs to make a google doc for this
?
HP Lovecraft named his black cat Nigger-Man
The previous owner named the cat. Lovecraft felt it would be bad to rename the cat as it was already very old when he got the cat.
oh yeah
neat
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>Carnage (idk what his name would be) is one of the world's most beloved superheroes, mostly because he has managed to make the Web-Shooter run for his life in many ocasions
>The big ass golden statue playing Lynyrd Skynyrd exists
>He doesn't join the Spectacular Six not because of personal reasons, but because doesn't want Octavius and the other dudes getting killed in the long run
>The Carnage family is a well-respected group of do gooders who once saved NYC from being destroyed during a gang war between Web-Shooter and other supervillains
The group includes:
>Calm, Carnage's "wife", who has the ability to null all sound in a radius around her and manipulate emotions so all her enemies lose their violent impulses for a time
>Regrowth, a mutated individual with the ability to regenerate organic matter to the point where he can effectively resurrect dead individuals
>Seraphim, an angelic being possessing the body of a former Hobgoblin
>Counterpart, a highly intelligent yet powerless, extradimensional duplicate of the Web-shooter created by the Magus
Bad.
good
I like it
How does evil Marvel make no sense?
>The Devil's Advocate (Daredevil) is an amoral lawyer who often helps villains in court cases to ensure that they are free to continue their crimes
Isn't that just Daredevil from Spider-Gwen universe?
yes
Let’s do something with evil Beast.
we should
>Miles is a copycat shooter.
sounds like lobo but without the fun
What great flaw does Superman have comparable to alchaholism or what character in DC has a country mainline values? DC characters are Paragons, practically cartoons. Even Buy Gardener has Dennis The Mennis depth, despite fridging or Read Parents. One second, bubba post a whole Marvel Universe Fliparoo. You're going to have to flip the villains. I like winners and have very little affinity for small time power good guys brb..
>109010699
He supplants both Sublime and Apocalypse turning into Battle Beast possessed by a Sliver of the Apocalypse Conciousness, Survival Of The Fittest, War and Cutting over science and technology.
But that's too cool. You want something that insults the very idea of Hank McCoy and the history of X-men character development.I
Evil X-men are as follows:
Professor X is a jerk. I know you want some sly snively evil Charles Xavier to troll. You do. You do. But flipping the morality of someone like Charles Xavier doesn't make sense. He imprisoned Danger and routinely mindwhipes his students and enemies. So let's just give Professor X a secret. He defeated Cain Marko and secretly keeps the Gem of Cyttorak. You hate this idea because it doesn't rip Proessor X out of context and entirely shit on everything about him.
(cont)...
>109012585
Next up the X-men. Apocalypse, Celestials and the Phoenix Force. The Phoenix Force rips Apocalypse into pieces and he hides in the heart of each of the original five. They eventually get taken over by The 4 Horseman Protocol. Warren becomes Death. Beast becomes War. Bobby becomes Famine but the Summers Clan escapes, ironically enough because of Mr Sinister. So Charles Xavier becomes pestilence, along with Moira's Science and their son Proteus. Mental health.
The Summers have to be evil, though so Apacalypse himself begins to manifest through them Scott begins forming X-Force as he slowly becomes Apocalypse. Off the whole thing DOESN'T end like a big was What If with Jean Grey destroying the Earth with the Phoenix Force of that doesn't happen then what happens? You don't know because the idea isn't fecal. Ra!
So what are you stipulations, just reverse the fictional moral standing of the character, must disregard some essential part of what makes each character A CHARACTER and just be stupid.
Should we start with Captain America or The Eternals? Man of or Apocalypse?
Let's start with Odin and Zeus.
Historically Accurate Patriarchal Cunts.
Next. Hercules and Zeus. Again Same. Worthy and Strong but degenerate and headstrong to an insane degree. Very close to The Boy's The Seven except sans insecurity. Olympus and Asgard are both super rich. They are semi interdimensional expanding Empires and/or corporations.
Next up why work too hard? I am not lazy and I do not have you. However "I am lazy and I hate you" are the kinds of things you say about yourselves to each other to charm. Works for you won't work for me.
Anyway, why work hard. Let's copy paste Planetary's The Four. Boom. Done.
Now Captain America. Died. Cloned. Guardian from DC having a lot less autonomy. Covered in Gold and Paisley Green instead of red white and blue. Stands for Federal National Incorporated.
Namor. Is Namor.
Black Panther. Exiled like the Dali Lama. Africa is run by United Socialist States ofAfrica. China but for black people.
Avengers already came in Evil during Hickman's run. No need to retread Hulk, Pym, Janet etc.
Silver Surfer chases The Four wielding remnants of the Power Cosmic, after the Destroyer Galactus, and his ship and Flew away in his decapitated head.
Dr Doom runs a super hidden magical Oasis both in and off the internet that hides in the future. He keeps the evil Ancient Enemy locked away. The ancient enemy revives a comatose car accident victim who attempts to free the Ancient Enemy.
I'm tired. Turning the Marvel Universe evil is the stupidest thing I've ever heard.
The opposite of Old Man Logan is a utopia where everyone can be a little bit Hulk and Wolverine's sitting in a nail cell waiting to rape somebody. It's just stupid.
You’ve lost me. I thought we were talking about Marvel?
Thanos is a herald of the Cancerverse.
What would Jubilee be like?
I tried reading the drivel you let dribble onto your keyboard, but I'm just not stupid enough. Can you try again, but this time can you try it in English, you braindead monkey?
Does this count? It's pretty much his fault
Where else would we post them, genius?
Oh yeah, something like appearing to worlds in need as a intergalactic messiah. Spreading life-enhancing resources and technology allowing people to live long long long, happy lives, even to the point of reviving the dead through cloning and memory storage, all for the greater good. His goal isn't death, but something else: immortality for all.
Which leads into him becoming obsessed with finding a way to remove Death altogether and never being able to straight up exist as a concept in the mind. The opposite of a Grim Reaper.
I like that second idea. Should be its own character.
His name: Concord.
"FROM NOW ON EVERYBODY LIVES" - Earth 3 Thanos
I just hope if they actually do a marvel earth-3 comic, they ain't copy and paste the ideas from this threads and come up with some stuff of their own.
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Why? By the time they do that we probably will have said every possible idea.
kek?
>He wants to fuck Shuma Gorath in a way that benefits all
imagine
Hank Pym is a treasure and it's a damn shame Jantron wasn't permanent.
Honestly, and not to suck your dick, because these just read like pitches, great sounding pitches, but you had me hype for a couple of seconds there.
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Any sex cult?
That's what Joe Fixit runs.
I wonder if I should fire up my ao3 account and write stuff.
He hasn't but if a incompetent villain tries to make an evil robot than that robot is now the greatest hero who ever lived.
Peter actually called himself that for a while during the Clone Saga when he was being a big edgelord
She’s an E-cig?
What about the other pantheon?
Greece and Italy are controlled by the Olympians
Web-Shooter is clever but it's already the name of the things he wears on his wrists. Neither name is very good, honestly, since, as one poster pointed out, the Spider is already the name of several characters. How about "the Arachnid"?
Web Shooter is fine it could be like Batwing.
I guess The Arachnid would work with Miles as Kid Arachnid.
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an E-girl, like Belle Delphines
But that's Earth 3 DC.
I wonder if Earth 3 Iron Man would just call himself Stalin?
>Stark is a more hardcore Milo Minderbinder
I'd read the hell out of that.
Does evil Tony Stark have a name yet? I propose Iron Baron. It evokes an unscrupulous mogul
I'd suggest War Machine, but...
The Steel King
Not really. I'm the one who came up with the "Iron Big Boss" angle that OP's going with (I had posted a full "breakdown" in the first or so thread from a month or so back; the one with the Stark/Scrooge pic). In previous threads OP used to call him "The Steel King", but I was lukewarm towards it.
>Iron Baron
I like it, but it's a bit too much like Baron Zemo.
Eh, why not? Tony created it for himself first and foremost. There's no reason for Rhodes to exist in Tony's circle either.
Eh, doesn't sound Iron Man-y.
>The marvel characters are too complicated IN THEIR PRESENTATION to be reversed like this, they are multi-faceted characters.
It's more difficult, but it's far from impossible. Like the E-3 Illuminati start off as a secret society to let the most powerful villains in the world consolidate their power and rule from the shadows, but as the world becomes more chaotic they find themselves increasingly in altruistic roles they don't personally profit from just to keep the world from falling, to their chagrin.
I fucking love the idea of a group of villains gaining control of the world only to realize actually ruling it is almost impossible without almost constant effort to maintain a modern standard of living, meaning they can't actually enjoy it but their egos are too big to handle letting the power go.
Rhodes would be Stark's henchman and attack dog, the guy he sends in when a situation is too dangerous or unprofitable to handle personally. Call him War Monger, make his suit a mix of War Machine with the bulk of Iron Monger.
>I like it, but it's a bit too much like Baron Zemo.
There's a couple of barons (Zemo, Mordo, Strucker, Blood, etc). It's a common villain title.
Eh, too grandiose, imo
Well idk what’s Baron Zemos evil codename? The Baron? If so, I guess, but I’m pretty sure Baron Zemo is his actual name.
Yeah, well, I don't like Rhodes. Never did. Personally I always wanted to see more of his relationship with Pym, since Lang worked at SI and you can tie all the Ant & Iron Lore together.
>Attack Dog
I figured E3 Stark wouldn't /need/ one. Like I said, I based him off on a mix of Big Boss and Scrooge McDuck, so I figure he'd end up coming out as Darth Vader but not a lapdog, y'know? For his Right-Hand Man I was gonna go with Fantomex, who's a straight up Mutant Hunter/Human Sentinel.
Zemo doesn't have a codename; Baron's his familial title.
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I get what you're saying about Iron Baron, and I like it, I'm just wondering if there's another name out there.
>Yeah, well, I don't like Rhodes. Never did.
That's fair. But he makes more sense as Stark's right hand than Fantomex. I just like the idea of this guy who genuinely thinks Stark is his best friend and will do anything for him, while Tony is just using him to handle suicide missions and field test unstable weapons before he incorporates them into his armor.
> Like I said, I based him off on a mix of Big Boss and Scrooge McDuck, so I figure he'd end up coming out as Darth Vader but not a lapdog, y'know?
Haven't played Metal Gear so I may not be getting it with the Big Boss thing.
Would E-3 Zemo call himself Citizen V? Or just Citizen Zemo? Citizen Z?
>That's fair. But he makes more sense as Stark's right hand than Fantomex.
Sure. I was just trying to think a bit outside the box. My initital plan was to use the Punisher, but people seem to prefer the Preacher version.
>I just like the idea of this guy who genuinely thinks Stark is his best friend and will do anything for him, while Tony is just using him to handle suicide missions and field test unstable weapons before he incorporates them into his armor.
I guess, but wouldn't you have to flip him too? So instead of his friend he'd be a General or something dead-set on taking his armors.
>Haven't played Metal Gear so I may not be getting it with the Big Boss thing.
It's... complicated. But basically think that Big Boss is MAX Nick Fury (well, rather MAX Fury is Big Boss). Basically a War Addict.
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Vid's about Venom Snake, but it's close enough if you know nothing about MGS.
Iron Duke.
Iron Lord
Lord Machine
The Futurist
Have your pick.
He also rows of blonde secretaries/typewriters , like you'd expect in 50s/60s movies, working for him.
In lingerie. He has to be toxic masculinity unleashed.
Steel Emperor
No.
I just realized that sounds like a stand name
He needs a codename then.
It's bullshit just like Lex Luthor.
Fuck you.
>Iron Duke.
>Iron Lord
>Lord Machine
>The Futurist
>Have your pick.
I like them all, really.
>He also rows of blonde secretaries/typewriters , like you'd expect in 50s/60s movies, working for him.
I'd do it this way. Blondes for fucking around, Brunettes/Ravenheads for Mistresses, and Redhead for the "One".
>In lingerie. He has to be toxic masculinity unleashed.
Yup, agreed on that. But he needs to be charming enough to have them sleep with him. He should fuck them and then call them sluts and whores, but they should /want/ to be fucked by him. Make him just a "suck it for the job" guy is boring. He should enjoy the hunt.
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Basically turn him into a mix of Don & Roger from Mad Men.
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Also, remember that in this E3 he should be an ascended incel/poorfag. It's in my original pitch. So it would be 100% in-character for him to be basing off his fake persona on a show like Mad Men or an idealized version of the 50s Man.
Wow, constructive writing there...
I know, I know. Problem is, I always thought Iron Man was a bit of a lame name.
I don't think so. I feel like Earth 3 Zemo would call himself something like The Lord or The Nobleman.
It's an extremely shitty idea, get over it.
Iron Man is better than nothing.
>n-no u
Seriously, what is wrong with you people? There are ideas here that I don't like, but they've been added to the canon, so what's the point of complaining? Are you some kinda Tumblr refugee who doesn't like seeing her "cinnamon roll" be "bad" or whatever? Tony /was/ like that Pre-Accident. The fucker's been a genocidal villain like twice. In every other AU he's a Doom Stand-In. What's so special about this?
I know, I just figure a guy who's so "muh future" should have a bit of a sleeker name.
What is The Futurist's relationship with Lady Web (Natasha)?
Uh... I don't remember what the E3 version of Widow was like. He probably found her too lewd, his inner incel came out and he "Begone Thot"ed her before she could infiltrate his Weapons Empire and steal his designs in order to hand them over to the good guys. Or something. I used to ship IronWidow back when I was a lad, but the more I think about it, the less sense it makes, so I've lost any real interest in their relationship. Maybe she could be a staunch Russian Patriot and also a Power Broker.
I still very firmly ship ironwidow, though the reasons I see it working in regular 616 are very different from the paths it'd take in e3. In e3, they probably see each other as prizes, she sees him as a powerful man to seduce/manipulate, he sees her as a great accomplishment to seduce/charm and prove he's not a loser.
I don't ship them in 616 anymore, for various reasons.
>E3
I was looking at that "who's banged who" chart that gets posted around, and I noticed that even though he's been a given "ginger fever" in the books, most of his actual lays are blondes or brunettes, and it got me thinking if in E3 you could turn it into a "problem". Like, he likes them, a lot, but due to his deep seated "loser" mentality, he feels he's not "worthy", so when he tries to fuck Nat, he goes completely limp and just loses it completely.
I think it'd be a bit of a fun subplot to have him hire redhead whores in order to get over his psychosomatic bullshit. I don't think he should be a loser, but in contrast with 616 where he has insecurities but slowly learns to move past them by talking to friends, here he's just surpressing it all and putting on this "50s/60s Chad" persona, that is in a way real, since he's an egotistical asshole, but is also a bit exaggerated. Big Boss is pretty much a killing machine, but he's afraid of Vampires and is romantically illiterate. A bit of a fun trait.
>Sure. I was just trying to think a bit outside the box. My initital plan was to use the Punisher, but people seem to prefer the Preacher version.
Punisher fits a bit better, and I don't really get the Preacher. The cult thing seems too far out of left field.
>I guess, but wouldn't you have to flip him too? So instead of his friend he'd be a General or something dead-set on taking his armors.
It's not Bizarro world, it's just morally inverted. Rhodey being a codependent psychopath Tony's manipulative psychopath fits.
>It's... complicated. But basically think that Big Boss is MAX Nick Fury (well, rather MAX Fury is Big Boss). Basically a War Addict.
It sounds like the characterization might be better suited to Tyrant, but I don't know. I watched the vid and... still don't get it. Isn't eyepatch guy the main character? Have I finally lost touch with the youths?
What do we call Rogers in this again?
Tyrant
Does Potts go
>45, 43, you're on blowjob duty today. 36, that skirt is too long.
And the like?
>Punisher fits a bit better, and I don't really get the Preacher. The cult thing seems too far out of left field.
Frank was studying to be a Priest before enlisting, so people are going from there.
>It's not Bizarro world, it's just morally inverted. Rhodey being a codependent psychopath Tony's manipulative psychopath fits.
Eh, it's a bit unclear in many cases. It's basically taking a "good guy" and making them bad. Marvel characters can't be really flipped that easily
>It sounds like the characterization might be better suited to Tyrant, but I don't know. I watched the vid and... still don't get it. Isn't eyepatch guy the main character? Have I finally lost touch with the youths?
MGS is a franchise from the 80s. There's a whole lot of games and lore in it. It's influenced by stuff like Escape From New York, which is why he wears the eyepatch and goes by Snake. TL;DR some shit happened to Big Boss and he set out to make sure there was always some war going on, to give a home and purpose to soldiers.
The pitch I made about Iron Baron/Lord/Whatever, would be that he'd keep making guns and support the constant state of wars, so that the War Economy would keep on running, Science would keep advancing, and people would be made stronger. Basically still "morally grey", but leaning heavily towards villainy... Y'Know, he's basically a Sith. He's got the armor, he's got some laser sword stored in there, he LARPs as a Knight. It fits.
>Cap/Tyrant
Yeah I know, but Stark IS a Millitaristic character; some overlap will exist. Maybe you could make it so that Tyrant is an American Patriot, bringing "Democracy" everywhere, while Stark is more akin to George Rockwell or Oswald Mosley to keep with the "Sith Purebloods" theme.
Could be. If you wanted to give him some humanity you'd have him see her as a little sister and be overly protective of her.
His morality pet/humanity chain is the webshooter. Because we said Peter's full incel and Stark sees himself in him.
Yeah, but he'd be "grooming" Pete. Like Patrick Bateman mentoring AJ Soprano. Pepper would be the one completely innocent thing in his entire world. A bubbly ginger young adult with a killer body, that he'd have to protect from everyone in SI trying to take advantage of her.
>subplot is Tony playing matchmaker and trying to find her the perfect husband
I keep imagining Darth Vader as Robin Williams from Licensed To Wed, and it's cracking me up.
Cyclopes is a mind controlled puppet of the x-men and when freed becomes a hero in spite
He's fucking Pepper too, shush.
He's fucking everyone.
Fuck you all, I'm making my own e3, with black jack and hookers.
And you can keep the black jack.
Come on, let the guy have /some/ humanity. Overprotective dads are fun. Especially when they’re Supervillains.
But I like sexcreteries!
Tony can have morality pets, yeah. I doubt an ascended incel can have a woman as one, though.
He would be fucking other secretaries. And his lawyer. And his Publicist. And whatever else. As for the other part, nah, it can happen. Just look go to an average “lonely and horny” thread. There are two kinds of incels. Parker would be the “reeeeeeeeee thot” version. Stark’s the “Saw girl at park today; fantasized about our life together then went and cried to my mattress” one. They overlap in areas, especially when they speed out, but it’s be in-character for an ascended incel to care for a younger woman who truly likes them. You’ve gotta up your memeword-of-the-year lexicon user!
If he's supposed to be 616's opposite, shouldn't he be borderline celibate?
I might disagree, but you are right.
I don't like your conclusion for Pepper specifically, but your analysis is on point.
>Frank was studying to be a Priest before enlisting, so people are going from there.
Ah, that makes a bit more sense. Still not sure how I feel about it though.
>Eh, it's a bit unclear in many cases. It's basically taking a "good guy" and making them bad. Marvel characters can't be really flipped that easily
I gotta disagree. Marvel characters are not that complex. They're still heroes, just "heroes with feet of clay" as Stan Lee once put it. They're never really gray, just sometimes really bad at their jobs. Just flip that to villains with a noble streak.
>The pitch I made about Iron Baron/Lord/Whatever, would be that he'd keep making guns and support the constant state of wars, so that the War Economy would keep on running, Science would keep advancing, and people would be made stronger. Basically still "morally grey", but leaning heavily towards villainy
Ah, now I get it. Someone really should make a list of these characters and pitches
What?
Anyway, a lot of superheroes have the "man" suffix. It's really not any different than any of those.
But how lazy do you have to be to not give your supervillain his own name? The Baron is fine for Baron Zemo, but what does Lex have?
You could literal call Lex "Billionaire Man" and that would be better than his regular name which he should not be going by for obvious reasons.
Like I said above, Marvel characters can’t be really flipped. And if you start flipping everything, it becomes a mess. The route I went with is that instead of being a rich Chad who started fucking at 15, he’s an ascended incel who made his fortune selling weapons and kept on going, because his philosophy this time around turned out differently. So instead of having this charming chad whose insecurity issues stem out of not living up to daddy, you have this middle class gloryhound filled with shame and rage for not being one of the “lucky ones”. Instead of his parents being jerks, in E3 they’re both loving and caring, but he routinely blows them off and doesn’t even want to be seen close to them that much, because he’a Obsessed with his social status.
Really, flipping Stark is a bit challenging but also pretty fun. You get a compelling character, but for a whole lot of “wrong” reasons.
Thanks user. Glad you liked the thought process, at least. Also
>checked
>Preacher
I’m not sold on it entirely myself because there already is a Punisher villain like that, and I feel that it’s a waste of a good character. The alternatives though aren’t that much better. Turn him into a blood luster psycho? Maybe John Wick? Options are rather limited.
>Flip
It’s not the morally grey part I was referring to per se, just that there’s a lot of things to unpack and you have to keep certain things unflipped.
>List
OP used to link to the previous threads a while back; dunno now. Maybe the ones that are “decided on” could have some permanent points.
Eh, I don’t see what’s bad about Alexander Luthor. It sounds classy and old timey.
You don't use your real name that's what's bad about it. He should be arrested within 5 minutes cause everyone knows who is and where to find him.
He doesn't even have to wear a mask, just stop moronically parading yourself around.
Or, we can accept 616 punisher is a villain and have his e3 version be the redeemer, a hero.
>Maybe John Wick?
Yes, but when you kill his dog he declares war on everyone instead of just the mob. He'll do ridiculous mental gymnastics to come to the conclusion that you deserve to die, he just doesn't always have to.
Is it possible to create an earth 3 MCU with the same logic and events? A villain Ironman joining forces with an evil organisation to get rid off a good guy Loki? Ultron trying to stop them because they are dangerous? Some kind of Civil War stuff with them now actually trying to destroy each other not caring at all? Good guy Thanos actually wins but then is erased by Iron King or whatever his name is to prove evil always win even if Stark is dead?
>Citizen Z
I like that, or he should at least use it when working with the Thunderbolts. How would the Thunderbolts even work, legitimate good guys?
Ah, that’s what you mean. Eh, that’s comic book-y “Muh PR and no concrete evidence” type of stuff. But yeah, it’s pretty dumb.
Eh... 616 Frank’s not a villain. And even if he were, just turn him to a proper Catholic Priest? Make him the Pope who’s cleaning out the Vatican from the Pedos and shit? That could work. Do “The Young Pope” crossed with Drive.
Replace dog with family, and sure. Or what if he comes back from a Tour, finds his wife fucking some guy, she convinces him it was a “spur of the moment”, then the kids turn out not to be his, so he slaughters them all and becomes a Hitman, until Stark recruits him. Dunno, just spitballing here.
>Dunno, just spitballing here.
I like the idea of him being somehow responsible for his family's' death and blaming others but getting cucked and seeing red is the easiest way I can think of to deflate a serious character.
I have been trying to come up with a name for him, at least for headcanon sake, but nothing really sticks.
Yeah I know. Jarhead was on the other day and it reminded me of it. Kinda like instead of being a family man he’s a cuck who butchered the wife and sent the kids to some orphanage, never to be seen again.
I’ve honestly never thought about it. Master Planner? Ock’s old namesake?
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Sure, why not?
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>How do you explain the inherent lack of plot armor
A combination of his dangersense and extensive surveillance. The Spider's former expertise in Photography and tinkering with cameras has lent itself into allowing a near invisible system of bugging, paired with a network of sycophant students that covertly lend The Spider intel on his various enemies through his spy-der web.
As for why the Spectacular Six haven't just been gunned down by the Spider menace, many posit that he enjoys toying with what he sees as rather novel prey; and that he thinks they will never succeed over him. The six themselves aren't stupid, and never try facing him alone or out of help. They also fear capture, and a fate worse than death wrapped up and tortured in The Spider's den.
Maybe name him The Psider, and really pump up the uncanny and supernatural characteristic of his spider sense?
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Ironanon here. I got back to watching Spartacus the other day, and it hit me if with the Flipping, instead od being a Knightboo, this Stark would be a Rome/Byzaboo. It'd fit with the colors and give Silver Centurion a bit more importance. Maybe he could start off with Iron Man, and then start giving Roma/Byzaboo names to his Soldiers, Company and shit. Y'know, Imperator, Paltine, Praetorian, etc.
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I dunno if I want him to be classic "every wet hole is a goal" tier douchebag or some degenerate weirdo with paraphilias. Then again, why not both?
Actually like the Preacher idea. It's a really distinct spin on Frank that isn't just "he's the same but instead of criminals he kills cops" or something to that effect
Both, with a hidden layer of
>Rich douchebag who has a voracious sexual appetite and absolutely bizarre sexual fetishes who just wants a basic human connection.
I can imagine people responding to him like the occasional Yea Forums thread where they talk about that Fassbinder movie where it's basically "I have sex constantly, I'm so depressed."
>My idea for Songbird didn't get in the list.
>Actually like the Preacher idea. It's a really distinct spin on Frank that isn't just "he's the same but instead of criminals he kills cops" or something to that effect
Problem is its too distinct. At this point he's no longer recognizable as a Punisher doppelganger.
Yeah, I can see that.
So Marvel Boy and Marvel Girl would be Malice Boy and Malice Girl?
Not really. Those type of stories don't usually make sense, setting-wise, because they only exist to pit the heroes against their evil counterparts in that particular story. Also, you can't have villains go defeating the good guys, but somehow sparing them every time. Even stories that adress it still fall into that trap, like JLA Earth 2, where Ultraman is explicitly stated to have killed all of his enemies, but kept Brainiac around for some reason (because he was needed for the story), or never managed to kill Luthor either (while Superman has apprehended Luthor many times, and was in the position to kill him, if he was a killer), but killed every other memeber of his team, like Joker's counterpart, despite the latter being unkillable in the main universe, no matter how certain his demise.
tl;dr it would take much more effort and time to write a reversed morality universe, than it'd be worth, so it's usually just the same, but everyone's evil now.
Ironanon here. Fassbender in Shame was a failed Chad, not an ascended incel. He's really handsome, has a big dick and is a fuck machine. An ascended incel Stark wouldn't be like that. He'd be the guy trying to court every [favor of the month actress] to gain validation. He'd be fucking his secretaries because they remind him of the Stacies that shunned him. Pepper would be the surrogate daughter that'd he "help" in order to "not become a thot". Maybe you could have a running gag where it's implied he has some fucked up fetish but it's something wholesome and mundane like mating press while holding hands or something. And in true ascended incel fashion, he's an ex-alcoholic and addict /fit/izen.
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I imagine reverse-War Machine's named something like Dreadnought and he's more machine than man at this point.
Tbf are these threads really anything more than endless memeing?
If the writer who is writes the arc using ideas from here instead of coming up with ideas of his own, the writer might not do the ideas justice, thus killing off the whole joy a earth 3 arc with these good ideas, although it's possible the writer is good, but doesn't excel at new ideas for a alternate universe.
Wait, does e3 Spider-Man just normally shoot up places with a real gun or does he use his Spider-Man gear?
What would Wolverine be?
Wolverine would just be Sabretooth
These are pretty weak barely fleshed out ideas.
Any writer would do them justice.
What's the relationship between the Tyrant and the Fururist?
>Eugenic UberChad vs Ascended Incel with Tech Upgrades
What do you think, user?
The usual, then.
>An army of squirrels have taken over the state Wisconsin. They say that if you kill a single squirrel, their giant squirrel leader literally shreds you to pieces. And your last thoughts on earth will be "damn that giant squirrel has a nice ass"
>Black Cat is an e-girl/cosplay thot who decided to stream herself committing crimes, like a more immoral version of Screwball
>Her being a well-known thief actually comes from scamming people and livving off Patreon (cue gamer girl bathwater)
>she has a girlboner for the Web-shooter out of the whole bad guy image
>She actually catches his attention by constantly inviting him on her streams and whatnot
>Their relationship is love/hate because Black Cat being a royal cunt, couldn't resist scamming the Web-shooter once she found out he had a metric fuckton of money
>Web-shooter can't get himself to kill her, because Felicia legit likes him back; unlike MJ who is only with him for the cash (think Michelle Pfeiffer in Scarface)
How would Mangog work?
It was born from the hope of a billion souls and it grows stronger with happiness.
Well The Submariner would likely be some version of himself that does heroic things occasionally, but would still mostly be evil.
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Nah, it'd be complete and utter hatred in this case.
>Web-shooter
I gotta say, it sounds worse and worse the more I read it.
Quick-Note, while Iron Something/Futurist would begin with the Ultimate Armor, then gradually change looks like in the 616, the end goal would be a mix of Superior and Believe. Kinda like a Darth Revan look at the height of his Empire.
In contrast the real Tarantula (who in this case I guess would be either Kid Arachnid or Captain Arachnid) is the leader of a revolutionary force formed against Tyrant.
The Razers (this world's Avengers) consist of
>Tyrant (Captain America)
>The Futurist (Iron Man)
>Admiral Malice (Captain Marvel)
>Stygian Panther (Black Panther)
>??? (The Hulk, someone needs to make a good enough name for him)
>Thor
>Bullet Ant (Ant-Man)
Yeah, it should just be Spider or Redback.
>??? (The Hulk, someone needs to make a good enough name for him)
The Brute
The Monster
Mr. Rage
CRUSH
SMASH
Name him Behemoth.
If Cap is always portrayed as good guy with high morals and natural leader, how fucked up is Tyrant? Is he just a Hitler with muscles or someone so mentally corrupted that nothing is too much for him and all the other villains know that all the evil leader is just an excuse for basically someone who wants to see everyone suffer no matter what
That's boring. You wanna flip the X-Men, flip the entire concept. Instead of trying to be heroes for a people that hate and fears them, make them vllains that fool people into loving and worshipping them. They have great PR and Earth 3 Marvel citizens are instinctually fond of mutants. They have a great job as the governments force to stop other villains from taking over America, making them look like heroes. It doesn't hurt that Balor (great name by the way) has a harem of telepaths willing to brainwash people for him.
Another thought, how to flip Wolvie, since he's already a killer? Flip the reason he kills. Wolverine is a very independent guy, butting heads with Cyke, Guardian and other authority figures and always going off from the X-Men so he can go to Canada/Madripoor/Japan/somewhere to hunt evil people. Because he's also a very caring guy. He sees some people with a problem he kills that problem, that caring side also helps explain how angry hairy manlet keep getting waifus and daughterus. He also has deep anger problems.
So we make him submissive, calm and without empathy. On the outside he's a nice clean cut guy, never drinks or smokes, aerfect candidate for Canadas occasional selection of vollunteers for their Protector X programs. But, once you get to know him, you realize he's hollow. He just wants to serve someone, someone who would give him... purpose. And after Sovereign Xavier took him from Canada (not secretly the nicest nation on Earth-3) he has been an obedient servant and assassin for the X-Men. Can someone good at names give him and the X-Men as a group new codenames?
What Silk?
I could see her becoming the villain Nylon or something like that.
Maybe Xavier is mind controlling the entire world into seeing mutants as heroes, covering up their crimes, and this world's equivalent to Magneto (maybe called Polaris or Lodestone or some shit) wants to reveal their crimes to the world and break Xavier's firm hold over the masses.
Oh, Magneto as a freedom fighter who sometimes get brainwashed into joining their team. Nice.
Also in that case maybe Balor didn't kill Xavier, just locked him into Cerebra, so he can keep the suggestion field up forever.
Maybe add one more member, maybe like Insight (Vision) or someone else.
Thats DC you twat
It was a joke you anti Semitic faggot
>E3 Stark never gets captured; instead he creates the prototype Iron Man Suit, sells off various bit parts to the Big Players and starts a whole new Arms Race while he's THE Top Player
>he's basically a One-Man Vought from The Boys
I think it'd really work. Play more on him being a Corporate Guy, an "American Oligarch" instead of a superhero.
I was thinking he's a war profiteer at first, gets captured in some communist country, then realizes he's going to do some Armstrong bullshit to end war as a business.
>end war as a business
Nah, the whole point of the previous posts is that he goes from a simple war profiteer to a "war is actually good" type of guy. Armstrong's philosophy fits Tyrant/Rogers more. E3 Stark should be the "behind the desk" cold eugenicist type. Depending on how far you're willing to go, you can get into some real Deus Ex and Mass Effect shit with him as Illusive Man. Rework "The Stark" a bit and you can have him basically be like Comstock/Ryan from Bioshock, fuck off to some place and create a race of Augmented Cyber Autists. I'm really working on making him the "Doom" of this Earth since Vic is now basically V/a symbol.
I imagine that Bruce Banner is more or less Brian Banner 2.0, and most of his personalities vary in evilness, but most of them are actually evil (besides Angel Hulk, he's actually a really swell guy) and Professor Hulk is the most dangerous because he's Banner's sociopathy with the Hulk's strength.
Sounds interesting. What run of comics is this? What do I read?
no it's just anons making up some shit