Why did US Parents and Europeans have such a hate boner for Mikey’s nunchucks...

So why did the word "ninja" have to be removed from the show?

Same thing. There were fears of a "ninja craze" where kids would make makeshift nunchakus and kill each other while rough-housing because of watching ninja VHS tapes.

Well, that part was just them hating Japs. Can you blame them?

That, and the connotation of 'ninja' back in the 80s was much more villainous.

Sounds like the WWF shit we had in Burgerland around the same time.

Lame replacement or lamest replacement?

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probably because they are and were an illegal deadly weapon in most places.

is his Rise of the TMNT weapon a reference to this

yes

it was all EU parents, faggot
i've NEVER heard US parents complaining back in the day.

if that, "that looks dangerous" being for leos swords, def not mikeys chucks.

thank god they never found ECW, that would have been shut down fast.

Neat
Are Raph's tonfas a reference to anything also?

Because everyone already knew you couldn't give point objects and sharpened blades to children. But some idiots thought "yes, it is ok to give a weapon to a child" because it's not sharp.

The first weapon he used as a trainee in the comics

The old Mirage ones? Making my way through them but have been going slow since the art's a barrier to overcome. Regardless, cool to hear- I didn't mind the changed weapons on the show, but thought they were changed at random, not with actual reasoning.

Mary fucking Whitehouse. Whitehouse was a county teacher heavily involved in evangelical Christian groups, where she became one of the most prominent spokespeople for English Social Conservatism. She was against gay rights, she was against feminism, and the sexual revolution, and basically anything that liberals wanted. She wanted a Return To Moralisy, and damn if she didn't find an audience that hated the same social changes and "perversions" as her. Whitehouse pulled off a highly successful "morality" campaign, that got local juristictions to prosecute video releases for obscenity and violence. Whitehouse and her allies kept pushing to prosecute violators of existing anti-obscentiy laws, but because those laws were not well written it led to Parliament passing the infamous Video Recordings Act of 1984, which forced all video releases to appear before the BBFC to get certification - and the BBFC was about as bad for video in the UK as the Comics Code Authority was for American comics. They would demand shit be cut for no apparent reason. They would say that some things couldn't be published at all. The were the ugliest of censors, and there was no telling what those puritanical pricks would demand be cut for video release, or what rating label they woud put on a box. Think your show is acceptable to be rented to kids? Well the BBFC might disagree.

People releasing shit in the UK began self-censoring because they didn't want to run into Whitehouse's Morality Police, and they sure as fuck didn't want to risk getting a bad label when episodes of shows were put on tape.

An anti-feminist anti-porn anti-violence homophobic social conservative bitch going "think of the children." That's why Mikey was a "hero turtle" with a grappling hook.

Wait really? That's cool as fuck.

>and Europeans
you mean teasippers, no one complained about that in my country

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This. All the censorship took place in Britland but spread to other Euro countries.

Nunckucks are fairly unique in their ability to make you crack your own skull if you don't know what you're doing. It's much harder to do this with a staff.

>ant hero
>are actually tortoises
dropped

Not soon enough.

Better question, why were you still watching and caring about TMNT during the 90’s?

Maybe they were easiest to make yourself? No kid can make Leo's katanas but making nunchucks in woodcraft class doesn't that much.

You could find real nunchucks. I remember older 'cool' kids with them. And this I mean, as much as you don't want your kids playing with swords...it'll probably fine. If a kid plays with nunchucks he's WILL hit himself. Hopefully gently somewhere safe. But maybe right in the head.

Yeah but it was the fucking UK. You could literally go fishing and find a sword. Still happens all the time.

>You could literally go fishing and find a sword.
That still doesn't make you King Of The Britons you ponce.

>not being Emperor just because some
moistened bint lobbed a scimitar at you

Because Thatcher

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This. “We will not glorify murderers.”

>a pair of nunchucks is more dangerous than A FUCKING KATANA SWORD

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I really appreciate the STANR short referencing this in Euro territories

Lamest, especially since the other Turtles still carried their own identical grappling hooks so Mikey essentially didn’t have a unique weapon at all.

Why were Asian farmers so violent to eachother?

>Have sharp objects in hand
>Proceed to kick all your foes
Why did they do this guys?

She just wanted to stop her future assassins

>a kid would tie pipe together to make nunchucks and hurt themselves?
I did that expect it wasn't pipes but wood sticks and i didn't hurt myself but other kids.

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>Have lethal weapons in hand
>brandish them non-threateningly
>throw trash cans and other nearby implements at foes

Hmmm..

Where are all the Robot Masters then?

Seriously.

Young Yea Forumsmrades may not know about Whitehouse and her ant-liberal crusading, but they REALLY fucking should.

Not only did the bitch change how the UK screens movies (for the worse, still hurting us), she dealt a huge blow to UK comics. 2000 AD was powerful enough to withstand her (although not without getting censored frequently) but tons of other publishers were terrified of the boycott campaigns she organized against booksellers.

You never hear about English comics like Action or Eagle any more in large part because they started censoring themselves until they were bland as paste.

Action was magnificent, and brutal, showing war without pulling punches, and the conservative moral brigade snuffed it.

A solid decade of getting beaten up by dudes with tank tops and mullets in shitty action movies did a lot to end that.

Numchucks were illegal in New York and Bongland.

Orange Man is currently running the USA.

Did this cunt inspired the likes of Vera Slepoy?

US parents were scared of Leo's swords

Oh the Italian bigot psychiatrist that thought anime made kids gay and psycho?

Maybe a bit? I'd say Slepoy thought she might have a chance because the movement spearheaded by Whitehouse had moderate success, and had made changes in the government.

Every country is going to have its own Think of the Children squad, but I'd be surprised if Slepoy wasn't at least vaguely aware that similar movements had made an impact in the US and UK.

Fuck, I haven't thought about Vera in a long time. She dead yet?

Because the nobility were a bunch of overvalued craftsmen and bean counters that decided the farm folk would be the perfect tax base because they could grow their own food instead of buying it. This pissed off said farm folk to the point where they used their knowledge of the land and tools to slaughter the bourgeois swiftly and escape just as so.

Or that French woman that said anime made boys violent and sexist.

>She was against gay rights, she was against feminism, and the sexual revolution
WTF? I love Mary Whitehouse now!

>It's like in the old DBZ dub where you could show dismemberment and people punching each other in the gut but head blows had to be censored out with impact stars.
Don't forget the buildings being blown up only because it's a Sunday.

The US didn't replace the nunchaku it was mainly the UK who didn't like ninjas or ninja weapons.

Heard about her here and there, thanks for the history dump user.

>act of 1984

Long after you've died.

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Nunchucks are unique, so they grab kids' interests much more than the same old sword and staff shit they're used to. When I was a kid i didn't care about making my own katana or bo because they're nothing new, but immediately made nunchucks because of Mikey. He wasn't even my favorite.

The word "ninja" was censored from UK airings (and it was mostly a hackjob besides the theme song which had the logo shots replaced and an entirely different recording of the theme song with all mentions of "ninja" replaced with "hero")

They only very rarely had to say the word ninja in the show itself, but when they did it got really silly, as the word would just be muted. I specifically remember an episode where there's a ninja lady and Shredder goes: "A FEMALE ______?"

At least Europe and UK are a much better place nowadays.

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Nunchucks aren't even a real weapon, they were invented relatively recently for the coordinated to show off their skills.
They were afraid of kids hitting themselves in the head I guess

Probably why it's so easy for people to remember what year video had its balls chopped off in the UK.

It was. They were the “teenage mutant hero turtles” in the uk.

Damn, imagine if Naruto had come out then. That shit along with the ninja thing took Off.

Have you seen german Naruto? They edited out all the swords. They attack each other with hilts.

>Why was the nunchucks considered the deadliest weapon?

Conduct a seance and ask pic related

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Probably would've been a limited release thing in the UK that wouldn't catch on due to being so edited and so hard to find.

>tfw Northern Coal Union Ninjas attacked Thatcher with coal nunchucks made in Argentina

As retarded as this shit was the turn of the millennium basically eradicated it all. Films that had been banned outright over here for nearly two decades suddenly got uncut DVD releases and nobody gave a shit, most of the reactionary media attention shifted over to videogames and the internet, which are still subject to nowhere near the censorship they would have received in Whitehouse's day. It really helped that pretty much any creative in the media despised the moaning old bitch, she complained about everything fun or objectionable. The minute said people were in a position of power they did everything they could to make content that would have pushed her buttons.

>complained about Monty Python
>complained about Satanism in Robin of Sherwood
>complained about someone trying to drown Doctor Who on Saturday evening

Soda IS fucking awful though. You can drink 2000 calories of the stuff like it was nothing.

Brits are fucking weird, they cut footage of Bruce Campbell being kicked in the head in Evil Dead 2 because "it's wrong to kick a man when he's down" as if we're living the 1700s or something
Also they went after Swedish Death Metak band Dismember for the "Skin her Alive" song, despite their own homegrown British Death Metal & Grindcore getting onto mainstream radio with that Peel guy

I mean, you had the Evangelicals pushing that shit but the ones who handed them a megaphone were the fucking Daily Mail and Daily Mirror. And they're still VERY much around, pulling the same exact shit with a little change in where the xenophobic aspects get aimed. If they haven't had much legislative success with the "What's Happened To Britain's Morals" shit for a while, it's not for lack of trying.

>tax sugar so kids don't get diabetes from drinking fizzy pop
>drinks companies use an artificial sweeter that gives you cancer instead

T-thanks.

Older siblings/cousins VHS tapes.

>We're living in 20XX
Dr Willy's rebellion when?

They were running that shit on the BBC well into the mid-90s. I went straight from the 80s cartoon to Next Mutation. Real Ghostbusters also got that treatment, so you went from reruns of the old show straight to Extreme Ghostbusters.

>cancer

Unlikely. You will, however, get much fatter. Drinking sugar-free sweeteners selects for a gut microbiota of bacteria that need less sugar to survive. Because they're using less sugar, that's more sugar going into the bloodstream. Rats fed sweetener instead of sugar end up fatter, even when no longer fed sweetener, and it required a microbial transplant to rectify. Rigorously tested and retested, published in fucking Nature, the gold-standard of Science Journals, and everyone just moves on with their lives as the studies fail to even register on the cultural radar. One of the worst inventions of all time, and we're going to be stuck with the damage for generations as people don't even pay attention to the data.

...that actually -was- the original line, believe it or not.

The Saiyans did land on a sunday and they were grousing about not killing more people before getting down to business.

The 80s was really strict on shit as it was the first decade since the 50s when toy companies were allowed to make cartoons of their product. He-Man and Care Bears came first and we all know how morally stringent they were. Ninja turtles came out barely 5 years after and I suppose the people making the shows back then paid attention to any old group of dowagers and bible thumpers who were afraid of negative influences. Look what those shitlords did to Dungeons and Dragons.

Hell, even the TMNT movies weren't exempt. Peter Liard commented how TMNT 1 made all the money and didn't see why they had to cater to parental watchdog groups who bitched about the violence and the swearing during the making of Secret of the Ooze, in which Leo and Raph don't use their weapons -at all-, since obviously the films didn't lose money.

The thing about nunchucks is that almost everybody underestimates how hard they hit, by a very very great deal. The physics of one end being tethered to the other actually does make them monumentally more destructive than a single piece would be.

Like you would not believe how much easier it is to bash a skull in with nunchucks than with a single long pipe, no joke, and probably more likely to knock their own teeth out or crush their nose than with any other weapon because the tethered in does whatever the fuck it wants if you don't have training.

So, I kind of get it, honestly.

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The human species is LARGELY very retarded. Honestly I don't see this very stupid species lasting another thousand years. I sincerely hope someone comes to exterminate and terminate the human species. It has long since proved that among the BILLIONS of humans only a few are worth a damn.

Since her demise 19 years ago, have cartoons in the UK improved ?

I want to fornicate twink Leonardo

How would Donatello's staff not be the easiest to get and inflict damage with?

Tabloids are a fucking mistake and should have been eradicated years ago. Especially the UK ones, who seem to be run by the most retarded people in existence and only still keep around because places like the Express dicksuck Brexit.

Kids hit each other with sticks all the time. Donatello's existence didn't really impact that, let alone give the kids the idea.

It's like said. Nunchucks, and not those fun foam padded ones you could win at ye old arcade back then but real ones, can really hurt, not just your enemies but you and your face too.

It kinda ties in to how skateboards were also demonized back during their origins. Originally the wheels on any given board were made from fucking clay instead of polyurethane or whatever polymers were used afterwards. Clay wheels-- as I understand it-- made the boards go faster but were prone to breaking apart during use and causing injuries. Add that on top of kids being fucking kids and getting everywhere with skateboards and they start getting pretty badly hurt and the outcry began--some grounded in how unsafe it was and should be fixed, some not so grounded screaming about DANGER and how it should be banned.

the biggest fuckoff fountain sodas from convenience stores are like 750 calories max and you'll be pissing for an hour and a half if you drink one. they're certainly bad for you but potato chips are just as bad or worse and no one's trying to fuck those over.

Well they aren't censored any more. The local industry didn't improve so much as almost die out altogether.

>...that actually -was- the original line, believe it or not.

Not in the Japanese version, manga, 2005 redub or Kai it wasn't.

Ehhh... they're no longer censored, but the moral crusaders kicked the comic industry in the balls right when it needed to be expanding in order to survive changing markets. 2000AD is pretty much it for not-aimed-at-toddlers comics in the UK now.

That said, 2000AD is a weekly anthology that lets writers try out any cool shit they like. If you ignore the fact that it's just one book (heh, pretty big thing to ignore, I know) it could be doing a lot worse.

True story, me and my brother manufactured our own nunchucks, not that hard to do, and threatened other kids we used to fight with with them.

From Wikipedia:
"In a number of countries, possession of nunchaku is illegal, or the nunchaku is defined as a regulated weapon. Norway, Canada, Russia, Poland, Chile, and Spain are all known to have significant restrictions.

In Germany, nunchaku have been illegal since April 2006, when they were declared a strangling weapon.

In England and Wales, public possession of nunchaku is heavily restricted by the Prevention of Crime Act 1953 and the Criminal Justice Act 1988. However nunchaku are not included in list of weapons whose sale and manufacture prohibited by Schedule 1 of the Criminal Justice Act 1988 (Offensive Weapons) Order 1988 and are traded openly (subject to age restrictions).

In Scotland laws restricting offensive weapons is similar to that of England and Wales. However in 2010 Glasgow Sheriff Court refused to accept a defence submission that nunchaku where not prohibited weapons under Scottish law although the defendants were acquitted on other grounds.

The use of nunchaku was, in the 1990s, censored from UK rebroadcasts of American children's TV shows such as Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles cartoons and films.

In Hong Kong, it is illegal to possess metal or wooden nunchaku connected by a chain, though one can obtain a license from the police as a martial arts instructor, and rubber nunchaku are still allowed.

Possession of nunchaku in mainland China is legal.

Legality in Australia is determined by individual state laws.

Legality in the United States varies at the state level. As elsewhere, the popularity of Bruce Lee movies in the 1970s led to a wave of nunchaku bans."

>Legality in the United States varies at the state level. As elsewhere, the popularity of Bruce Lee movies in the 1970s led to a wave of nunchaku bans."
Aren't those protected by the second amendment

It's the same as anything
>oh we're scared! do something!
>well we fucking can't can we
>no but we can act like we are
>so let's pick something relatively harmless and easy to attack and then go after that
>yay re-elected!

eh I think Andrea Dworkin did way more harm. Don't forget that gay IS actually wrong.

This is why you don't give /pol/ power.

>I can see their parachutes!

Even if its classed as a firearm, second amendment does not protect against restricting certain gun types. For example you can't buy a rocket launcher or machine gun without a special licence. "Assault weapons" were also out right banned for a time in the 90s/00s.

BRITAIN WILL NOT SUFFER FROM AN INVASION OF PARTY DUDES!

Hey, Brexit is totally doable!

All we need is for all of Ireland to just vanish overnight.

Or just get the Irish to agree to give Britain everything it wants. How hard could it be to get the Irish to give Britain everything it wants?

>second amendment does not protect against restricting certain gun types
It's supposed to, actually.
>For example you can't buy a rocket launcher or machine gun without a special licence.
It's not a special license. It's a tax stamp. And that entire process is far more complicated and the reason for the NFA is based on a lot of ignorance and lies.

he also used it in the original comics like Raphs Tonfa

How about you shut the FUCK up about things you barely understand you stupid fucking jf
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Ferman
>James Alan Ferman (11 April 1930 – 24 December 2002) was an American television and theatre director. He was the Secretary (later termed Director) of the British Board of Film Classification from 1975 to 1999.

>Why did US Parents... have such a hate boner for Mikey’s nunchucks? They got rid of his weapon and replaced it with a grappling hook.
No they didn't. Why would you go out of your way to write "US Parents" when that cartoon weapon change never happened in the US?
I could understand not knowing, not listing off any country names, and writing that the nunchucks were replaced in the cartoon, but it makes no sense to me why you would go out of your way to mention the US by name as a place where the nunchucks were taken out.

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>It's supposed to, actually.
Thats the beauty of the constitution. You can be a by the letter believer who thinks nothing should change. Or follow the idea that the framers couldn't predict everything and that some limits need to be placed or tweaked on what was originally established.

Special weapons varies by state doesn't it? Like texas may make the process easier but its all but banned in NY. Hell I think even handguns is near impossible there.

As for NFA, they had a reasonable purpose at the start and still do champion some good causes. But a large portion of it has become shady or outright corrupt.

>the cartoon weapon change never happened in the US

You're sitting in it now.

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god why was this game allowed to be so good

I don't know what the fuck that is but it sure as fuck isn't the real cartoon. Looks like some retarded nu-shit.

It's the best animated show, or hell, best-animated anything, the TMNT ever had, oddly enough

>"They replaced it in the US too!"
>Posts picture from entirely different cartoon released decades later
Zoomers pls leave.

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>the idea that the framers couldn't predict everything and that some limits need to be placed or tweaked on what was originally established.
The framers explicitly stated in the federalist papers as well as other letters, notes and correspondence that they explicitly meant for the us citizens to have the same weapons accessible to the military. Strict scrutiny is the method for review that was intended for the second amendment. Thomas Jefferson in particular had some interesting letters and positions. The existence of repeating firearms with an internal or external magazine was not unknown from the time; he himself gave ghirondoni (spelling might be way off there) air rifles to lewis and clark on their expedition to map the northwest passage of the united states. The ghirondoni air rifle was a repeating firearm that was more powerful than the brown bess musket used by the continental army. It was available even during the revolutionary war (but why we didn't use it is another matter that won't fit in one post to explain.) Additionally, a captain of a privately owned vessel asked thomas jefferson if the 2nd amendment protected the private ownership of artillery. His answer was an unequivocally yes.

>Special weapons varies by state doesn't it?
Some states have outright draconian gun laws. many that are being challenged this year. Any specific examples would be a massive segue.

>As for NFA, they had a reasonable purpose at the start and still do champion some good causes. But a large portion of it has become shady or outright corrupt.
You're referring to the organization of the NRA, which is not the NFA, which was an act of law. Again, post length prevents too much elucidation. Referring to the NRA: they're responsible for some pretty egregious gun control too that I could go at length at but again:
character limit is 2000. I'm near enough that already.

>Nobody tried censoring the turtles in the US back in the good old days

Secret of the Ooze, man. Watching the boys go "we musn't fight with weapons!" was so painful.

They didn't succeed in the U.S., but it wasn't for a lack of trying. As someone that watched way too much tabloid TV news shit in the 80s and 90s, there was a neverending supply of parents complaining about violence in cartoons. I ~very~ distinctly remember how one show mixed together clips from the Rambo Cartoon, G.I. Joe, and TMNT, arguing that they were all super-violent and hated foreigners (Rambo supplied all of the questionable dialogue, they tried to tar the other cartoons with the same brush, because of course they did). I remember some lady going on TV whining about how she was afraid - I shit you not - that her kid would sharpen a screwdriver and go into the sewers looking for fights. Video games got more attention obviously, but you'll always get puritans angry about something. Harry Potter, ninja turtles, Dungeons and Dragons... there's always something.

I never said censorship in the US didn't exist. I said the nunchucks weren't replaced in the US cartoon.

I've watched that move half a dozen times as a kid, but oddly I don't remember that line.

By season 4, Mikey had stopped using them. They didn’t go back and edit the earlier seasons.

Might not have been that exact line, but they literally fought with foodstuffs and tried to avoid weapons in general. As the story goes, the anti-violence crusaders that came out after the first movie made Jim Henson hesitant to have anything to do with the second movie, and the weapon usage had to be toned down to get him to agree to come back. Complete with Mikey swinging around sausages instead of 'chucks.

>Complete with Mikey swinging around sausages instead of 'chucks.
That part I remember quite well. complete with, "The missing link" pun about sausage links. I believe they were pepperonis but again, been years since I saw that movie.

>She was against gay rights, she was against feminism, and the sexual revolution, and basically anything that liberals wanted
Based Mary

In the beginning of the film Splinter told them to be "masters of their environment" it's actually pretty subtle all things considered.

>hurrhu rrhurrr b-b-b-bb-ased!?!?
fucking conservacuck you don't belong here

>"don't show them using weapons, kids might imitate that and hurt themselves or people"
>"have them use things kids could easily get ahold of and hurt people with those instead"
It's really quite adorable in how retarded it is.

Cope harder

More like if a hero used a burning tire as a weapon.

Actually, that sounds pretty cool. Copyright pending!

Seethe even harder

It's funny because ninja/okinawan/kobudo weapons are made out of commonplace/farming implements to get around imperial japanese weapon bans. kinda ironic

i remember I got in trouble once in school when some starched-shirt came into our class to talk to us about some bullshit and was like "do any of you know what nunchucks are?" and i'm suddenly ecstatic because Bert the Boring is talking my language.. apparently I wasn't meant to answer excitedly and describe them. I don't remember where he went with it after that because i was removed from the little powwow

I also remember one year later when our teacher instructed us to write our senator and have him ban power rangers. I was like... no? I like that show. School hated when I wouldn't do the assignments, like if we were instructed to write something about our friends and I didn't have any

Yeah, well, Puritans are the dumbest people the human race has ever produced.

Look at OP and laugh as he's brought a pair of homemade nunchucks to school made from PVC pipe filled with concrete.

Nunchucks are illegal contraband in California; I've got a pair that I managed to give myself a concussion with.

I can't understand how british still living under the monarhy in 3rd milenium of CE.

You can make makeshift nunchucks easier than forging a blade out of billion times folded glorious Nihon steel.

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The change came in at a later season. If you suddenly see Mikey with a distinct lack of nunchaku, you'll know when and why.

Stupid 'phase
Humans have always been panicky stupid things, get used to it

>"soda tax" because soda is making the kids fat
To be fair, pop is extremely unhealthy and contributing significantly to the obesity epidemic.

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Bruce Lee became popular in the 80s and exaggerated the effectiveness of them as weapons that can disarm and kill many opponents with minimal effort. In the west though people had trouble processing that films aren't real life, and that chucks aren't guns, you can't just pick them up and be a walking murder machine that the military would need to be called in to stop. You actually have to practice with them, and even then you'd had better spent your time learning another fighting style. It didn't help that Bruce Lee tried to claim that he was a part of all these shadow tournaments etc blood sports that Chuck Noris even said never existed; just to hype up his own personality and make money. It made a lot of MMA seem more seedy and evil. I am fairly sure that if it weren't for Bruce Lee trying to flex his own ego all the time that we wouldn't have seen as much of a backlash against things like TMNT. However at the same time it can be argued that him trying to emphasis that side of martial arts is why TMNT became a thing in the first place.

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Because back them kids would roam around by themselves and buy things. I could go on my bike down to the apple harvest once and year and buy knives, nunchucks, and other simple weapons for myself from the carny guy who sold them. He didn't care if I was five, he just asked if it was okay with my parents and I would say 'yes.'

Kids where smart enough to know not to play with their knives but nunchucks seemed like harmless toys and many a head injury were had.

This is just my personal experience, I also don't remember parents really caring about nunchucks all that much in the US. I only remember hearing about the shitstorm in Europe later.

>I also remember one year later when our teacher instructed us to write our senator and have him ban power rangers.
What/?