Did you like it? Did you hate it? What changes worked best? What changes did you hate?

A competent threatening Riddler was a great idea but yeah, twists without any clues of any kind are utter shit.

Also, the big giant reset button at the end is annoying.

Nothing.
All of it.
None of them.
All of them but then I hate and loath Bat Wank on principal.

Nobody worth their salt will defend the HUSH storyline

as a Catwoman fan it's a pretty good story for her (cut us some slack, she doesn't have a lot of good content about her)

Was it worth it, Eddie? The Lazarus Pit brought out the worst in you.

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It was okay. I don't think I'd watch it more than once though.

I refuse to believe that. Long Halloween is in like every top5 Batman stories I've ever seen.

Nolan’s The Dark Knight was kinda an adaptation of Long Halloween. Just with more Joker.

I'm in the same boat but some people didn't like the open to interpretation nature of Long Halloween and those same people loved how Hush was more "straightforward. "

Agreed

Liked it.
Some characters had so-so voiceacting, Nightwing was especially wooden and Catwoman though not terrible had a really plain voice when she probably shouldn't have.

Loved the big changes from the original comic. One of the better DC animated movies and probably the best from the specific continuity that started with JL War.

>remake
What

Why did they change Killer Croc for Bane, that still really confuses me

Live action movies really need to learn from these kind of movies. They have their faults don't get me wrong but even the worst ones like Public Enemies are much better at being basic superhero entertainment than whatever the fuck most live action superhero movies are trying to be.

But Public Enemies was top-tier.

Thought it was the worst one at the time it came out and shit like a dumb Lex Luthor and way too many villains, and some heroes, being reduced to canon fodder doesn't make it top tier.

It's still a colorful competent action movie and everything.

Bane is more popular

Like don't get me wrong. I disliked JL War and Bad Blood (the bad ending to the Damien trilogy) much more but still not that great to me.

So there isn't any legitimate narrative or creative reason for it? Bane being in that role doesn't really make sense.

Yeah, same with Amazo in Red Hood, he just show up for an action scene and there isn't a good narrative reason for it.

What about Brubaker?

Well, Amazo was in the original story and was meant to tie into Villains United. I agree that there was no reason to keep it in the adaptation though.

It's because they already used Croc in Son Of Batman and he was suffering from his mutation there so they didn't want to repeat it in this one.

>Did you hate it?
That one.
>What changes worked best?
None of them, every single change was for the worse.
>What changes did you hate?
Riddler's entire reveal is now pretty stupid because Hush was such a big presence in the movie before Riddler was even introduced, the obvious twist of the original was now changed to a nonsensical one. The damien bits were funny but completely went against the tone of the scene and now make little sense in context, the forced montage looks bad, the changes to Ivy's section took all the tension out of it, everything.

Hush the comic sucked balls, it really sucked, so how did every change they made only make an already bad story worse?

So is this its own contained DCAU? Because I wish they would put an end to it and keep doing one-offs with different teams. The twist was truly the only thing enjoyable.
Reign of the Superchads was good, though.

Red Hood made it fit by using it to have Bruce and Dick go off on a little mini-adventure before the story proper to show the 'good son' of the pair between him and Jason. Amazo was just a generic badguy to show off their capabilities and how well they worked together, how well adjusted Dick was and how Bruce was better for having him in his life. They needed an opponent for the pair to fight together at the start to contrast the upcoming teamup with Red Hood and Bats, and he was already in the comic so no need to change it.

It shows how Hush can manipulate a heavy hitter and cunning mind like Bane and turn him into a simple brute.

I just wanted to see Tim.

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>So is this its own contained DCAU?
A lot of the recent movies yeah. An official continuity started forming after JL War even though some movies are still obviously stand-alone. Basically anything done by Jay Olivia and Sam Liu are one universe and I totally understand wanting more one-offs but I can't say I hated most of the War-verse movies.

Do you think this was about Ivy's growing feeling for Harley that she doesn't know how to control nor how to deal with them? And being afraid of being exposed because she doesn't know how to handle that topic with Harley?

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No.
Anyone know if that's even brought up in the comics around the time the comic came out?

Aren't they heavily inspired by Nu 52? Like at least a lot of the first ones?

Yes, Justice League War is a loose adaption of the first Nu 52 Justice League, right down to the 'who the hell is Bruce Wayne' line. The only exceptions are the Death of movies, which try to more faithfully follow the original book.

I don't think the Batman/Damien trilogy of movies is New 52 is it? Or SS: Hell to Pay.
JL Dark is I guess?

Tim who?

Well Harley and Ivy's thing was introduced, or at least acknowledged, into the comics until Gotham City Sirens, which came out almost a decade after Hush. Though one could say that BTAS is older and started the Harley and Ivy thing.

I would also say that the movie is really a in name only adaptation so its not like they can't add something thats pretty mainstream even if when the original story came out it wasn't

They are in this movie series

>I don't think the Batman/Damien trilogy of movies is New 52 is it?
Yes, though they kind of fudged up Court of Owls a lot and Talon is a wildly different character, but they were introduced and that very loose storyline was indeed the first big Nu52 Batman event. All of the Damien trilogy is a hodgepodge mismash of a bunch of different stories from Nu 52.

*Wasn't

>Or SS: Hell to Pay.
That was its own thing, it even got a comic sequel in a weird twist.

Are people honestly mad about Thomas Elliott in this movie? He wasn't even utilized well until Heart of Hush. Riddler was always the true mastermind.

Not all of it dude. The origin story is obviously based on Damien's origin which was an 00's comic. And then the Talia betrayal in Bad Blood is from a 00's Morrison comic too. Not all 52.

This was Jason O'Mara's best outing as Batman and Gregory Arend was amazing as the Riddler.

agreed

>Are people honestly mad about Thomas Elliott in this movie?

Yeah, because if you ignore the comics then its the most annoying trope ever for this type of story
>Hi, old friend who I have not seen in forever but is super important and we are the bestest of friends, remember *silly event*? Wow that was a trip. And you know what? We need to be bester friends again, let us reconnect with banter! You are now a sign I can get my life back together!
>OH NO MY FRIEND WHO HAS HAD TEN MINUTES OF SCREENTIME BUT WAS SO IMPORTANT TO ME HAS BEEN KILLED, I NOW HAVE VENGEANCE MOTIVATION!

If you pay attention to the comics then somehow the dumb as hell and obvious twist is even better than the one they went with, because at least Thomas showed up early in the books unlike Riddler's out of nowhere reveal.

Batman Bad Blood had a shocking amount of villains die. So when the final fight happened with Ed, I genuinely didn't know if he would make it or not.

Has some great exchanges between Clark and Bruce.