Why did Lapis like Steven so much but hate everyone else

why did Lapis like Steven so much but hate everyone else

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did you watch the show

She was stuck in a mirror for thousands of years and Steven was the only one that would talk to her, and protected her from the other gems

I know why she likes Steven but why does she hate everyone else?

Basically this. It's pretty easy to understand why she would be like this.

because everyone else either put her in the mirror or wanted to keep her there

Did you miss the part where the gems trapped her into a mirror for thousands of years and completely forgot about her? I’m surprised she didn’t try to outright murder them with her water powers when she got out, and its not like they were regretful about it. Steven was really the only one there for her.

Best gem.

She's a shotacon

It’s not illegal gems don’t follow human laws after all

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She's into Shota

She's one of the only 2 gems I can see having feelings for Steven
Lapis and Nephrite

He was nice to her.

Considering she was trapped in a mirror by Home world gems, abandoned, had the crystal gems try to take her from Steven once they realized what was up and keep her bubbled, indefinitely, I'd be pretty fucking pissed off at everyone to.

All of these plus the ones I missed.

>be beaten down, crippled and imprisoned as part of war you never even fought
>get used occasionally as an info monkey, and cooperate with demands so that one day you might be free
>a child then gets hold of you, and you get your first normal conversation in millenia
>asks rebels what's wrong
>when they say they have to imprison you again, he turns tail, flees, and immediately frees you
>when you later use his water supply to try to escape, he not only forgives you, he uncripples you
>when you lead an empire to his door, he tries to free you again, before beating down the empire
>when you're being held in a mutual prison by a psychopathic soldier, he enlists an actual army to help free you
>proceeds to take you fishing, sailing, finds you a house, resolves grudges and makes you a new friend, and even gives you a a pet
>BUT HOL UP, EMPIRE'S BACK
>when you flee again, he not only forgives you (twice, once on the moon, once after), but he also resolves the war that got you crippled and imprisoned in the first place

Steven's like her, a casualty of a war that he had no part in, but instead of running, he begins helping people. Not gonna lie, pretty sure if Steven started up an intergalactic Diamond Dogs, he'd have a healthy starting army.

Based. Steven really is best boy.

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she imprinted on him when she hatched

She's a cougar

why do none of the crystal gems like to hang out with humans?

Hey wait a fucking second.

Who put her in the mirror?

Pearl hangs out with Kiki at the wedding and Amethyst had Vidalia. I think Rebecca said at SDCC we're gonna see more gem/human stuff soon

A Homeworld gem. Never stated which one.

someone from homeworld, who thought she was a CG

>why are civvies shitbags to what are essentially superheroes

We haven't got enough time for that. But in fairness, ever since Steven was born, they do.

Pearl thought she was just a piece of science kit, and put her in the mirror. Everytime lapis pleaded to be free, it was "obviously just malfunctioning, I mean look at that crack". It's only when Steven started having full conversations with it that they put 2 and 2 together, and realised they've essentially committed several war crimes on this POW.

Nvm, I misremembered.

Pearl likes that unamed girl who looks like Rose.

Bismuth.

how the fuck could rose quartz ever decide that humanity was worth saving? china's history alone is a solid argument to why humanity should be destroyed.

considering holidays never existed and the world is geographically fucked up in SU most human atrocity too never existed.

Bismuth's the one that poofed her

No one else apologized for leaving her in an episode of Black Mirror.

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Woolie

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thats a massive waste of potential.

I'll shit on the show until my ass resembles the Mojave Desert....
But did you fucking watch the show?
Everyone was happy leaving her trapped as an artifact and never attempting to rescue her. Only Steven wanted to rescue her
Though this does bring up why Steven hasn't attempted to fix the OTHER artifacts...

Pretty sure it was stated that any artifacts using Gems as the power source were permanently busted and no longer could function as a person. It’s why the CG were weirded out when Steven said he had a conversation with the mirror.

Now, it’s possible that Steven is strong enough to fix them, or it maybe that Gem Powered Artifacts have Gems that are too far gone for even his powers to work on.

Yeah... given that most cracked/broken/etc. gems turn into monsters or worse, Pearl was more than likely worried a fucking water spider monster with broken glass spines or something would ooze out of the mirror and start killing people. She wasn't panicking that a still sentient PoW was about to break out.

Interdimensional faggotry

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>when the answer is a threeway...

>Yeah... given that most cracked/broken/etc. gems turn into monsters or worse
which could have been fixed if YD hadnt bubbled literally all of the gem's medics

like the other anons said
He freed her from the mirror and even though they fought each other he just wanted to talk and healed her
He has showed her kindness since the first day he met her, literally.

when you think about it, most of the interactions between them have been really just one on one personal moments.

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Lapis not interacting with Greg more always felt off to me; he was the first person besides Steven to be nice to her and was also very important to Steven.

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>"I forgot Rose"
>Goes with a girl who looks exactly like Rose

wut?

>lapis and peridot will forever be side characters
>stock as fucking gurren lagann references forever

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There was a whole episode where she interacts with Greg.

Post lapis feet

The depression arc is over, friend. No more more barn, only dreams now.

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Because Steven let her get away with trying to kill everyone, stealing the ocean and drowning Connie, sadistically torture raping Jasper for months, taking all of Peridot's shit, and cowardly abandoning him and the crystal gems when Earth was in danger. She can get away with doing any selfish or abusive shit she wants because Steven is the MC and will always be there to coddle her afterwards.

>spend an entire episode showing how Lapis doesn’t want the abusive relationship that she used to share with Jasper

>>>>>>>>>She messes around with Peridot to the point of joke character

What the fuck Sugar

And yet he still hates Kevin just because he wanted to dance with Stevonnie.

Really makes you think.

It’s a bought boat now

Lapis you blue discount raven, you and your fat ass husband ruined the goddamn boat that I have to pay for in full now

Except he doesn't hate Kevin.

what was with her being trapped in a mirror? was it some weird form of corruption? how come we never saw anything like it with other gems?

I think it's a form of harvesting. I.E. a gem being used to power something that doesn't allow them to reform.

He was a dick to Kevin in Kevin Party and hated him in Beach City Drift.

>Steven having to care of two Gem-Hybrids

All the gems were in some way complicit in keeping her down while to the humans (or the few she interacts with) she's mostly aloof but not does not despise them. She only really cares about Steven but even then, she's willing to leave him to save herself

I was disappointed that there wasn't at least one episode of the gems trying to bury the hatchet with Lapis over the whole mirror debacle.

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I was rewatching Change Your Mind and I realized something.

Connie says she isn't afraid of being stuck in the tower because she has been grounded before. Blue Diamond has no idea what grounded means

>Later

White Diamond tells everyone to go to their rooms and Blue innocently asks what rooms they should go to

Blue not getting what grounded was a joke that spanned the entire episode

It took me seven months to get the joke. Did anyone else miss this?

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Beach City Drift was intentionally writing him as OOC to make the point that obsessing over something is retarded. He wasn't a dick to him in Kevin Party ever, that was Kevin trying to take advantage of Stevonnie again. The only difference this time is that Kevin actually did something nice for Steven but still wanted something out of it.

That's the type of SU joke I like. Nothing loud out loud, just a chuckle here or there.

here's hoping for season 6.

Lapis spent all four seasons after her debut being a useless sack of crap and befriended the Crystal Gems offscreen. She's a lost cause.

Eh at least she's over her shit now. I'd rather a happy Lapis than a sappy Lapis.

It's a pretty easy written episode.
>Crystal Gems meet a gem who can show memories of the past.
>Show Bismuth poofing Lapis.
>Lapis is pissed and blames Bismuth for cracking her gem and her mirroring
>Bismuth tries to apologize and shes a better person now. Lapis tells her to screw off
>Steven tells her to listen.
>Bismuth tells Lapis about Rose imprisoning her and Lapis forgives her knowing she knows how she feels,
> A pair of lesbians eat pudding in order to pander to the fanbase.

>Steven universe Mao
now thats a funny mental image

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Too bad Rebecca just basically shut that kind of shit down with 'they wouldn't remember one another' and 'it's in the past, and bismuth doesn't hold grudges' or some tier like that.

Lapis and Bismuth was covered at SDCC by Rebecca. It's a non-issue. 5:57 btw

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Now if you want to talk real reasons for anger then Jasper and Bismuth would have beef.

bare lapis feet

i wish steven would put that cunt back in her fucking mirror

Steven being the first one to save her

It retroactively starts to get sketchy though since Lapis's story tends to fall apart with the slightest bit of logic
>Why does her backstory coincidentally start right after she would explain why she was on Earth officially and ends before showing us why the gems kept Lapis in the mirror
Paints herself like a victim.
and how she tried to immediately throw the gems as 'shady S.O.Bs' when they wanted to put this ironically dangerous gem back in the mirror.
This show gave her artificial reasons to be pitied and practically wrote even characters that it made no sense for to pity her after almost everything she does TO THEM.

What? She was abused by her own people and trapped in a mirror only to be enslaved again by modern-era Homeworld. She has every right to be angry, though that doesn't mean what she did to others was right. She knows she fucked up in Alone at Sea and Can't Go Back.

Bit of a shame that they probably won't address it in the show at all, but I can accept that Lapis was just one of countless random mooks that Bismuth was plowing through on the battlefield rather than setting up some death-match rivalry between them.

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Yeah it's a case of circumstances being fucked during the war really. That's war for you.

>Only to be enslaved again by modern-era homeworld
We're kinda cutting out the in between where she blames the crystal gems for actually being put in the mirror.
It's a VERY BROAD accusation too, but it's a rather flimsy reason to be mad when she knew she got cracked as well.
And, she had every right to be angry, but she purposefully misdirected at all the wrong people, even including Steven at some points.

>She knows she fucked up
I'm gonna be treading on old ground that other anons have talked about, but is never punished except if you call her self isolation 'punishment'
What this character got away with just so the plot didn't have to give this character more depth was just mean and made other characters look like tools.

I don't think the other characters look stupid because of Lapis's writing but I will agree she's a tad underwritten. I feel like now she's actually healing and starting to be mentally healthy again we'll be seeing more of her which is all you can really ask for tbqh

True, she's just an iffy written character, I don't think I can ever really unsee the fact that if it was anyone else that did that shit, every possible thing would go wrong for them like it should have for Lapis in some instances.

>*ukelele cover of "The Man Who Sold The World" plays*

I will never get tired of this joke.

>enslaved again
wat? she was put in a prison cell and was probobly going to be shattered. enslavement makes no sense for a race that can just make a person specifically meant to do a job in an instant.

Yeah but she had tasted freedom by that point. The Homeworld she returned to was completely different and cold.

Fun times around the actual airing of Same Old World. Old SBFP video since I'm getting nostalgic youtube.com/watch?v=KQJhucmYKYw

i suppose. but enslavement isnt really what they were going to do to her. if anything she would probably just be killed, seeing as how thats the most sensible option.

Lapis's are pretty important to the Empire and I think the threat of shattering is overblown anyway. I don't doubt a Ruby would be offed if they stepped out of line though, there's tons of Rubies.

but they can just make another one. to HW, gems are like computers. if they dont fulfill their purpose they are defective. you dont keep a broken computer running out of spite, do you?

Resources, my dude. With Pink gone it's harder and harder to make gems which is why they have to give Era 2 Peridots limb enhancers.

but the defective lapis isnt doing anything good anyways, so you might as well just wait for a new one. sunk cost fallacy. plus, you dont want other gems around her to get uppity either.

Yeah I suppose that's true. Maybe harvesting would've been best, but that would go back to what fucked her up in the first place. It's an interesting topic of discussion.

Has Lappy ever gotten any defined character traits? I haven't watched since Lars turned pink, and all I could about her that was consistent was "Likes Steven, hates CGs, vaguely sociopathic."

I'd define her as "pedophilic wild card"

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Vaguely polite with a decent sense of humor? She's a bit of a blank slate.

she had character to begin with?

Other than the "being trapped in a mirror" stuff, it's probably no coincidence that the only two characters she seems to be *friends* with are the only two characters who have spent any real amount of time trying to be friendly with her (Steven and Peridot). The other Crystal Gems have been around her a fair bit, but they've never really gone out of their way to get to know her properly as far as I can recall. She seemed to warm up to Connie pretty quick after their spending only the one episode teaming up. I wouldn't be surprised if she's closer to Bismuth than the rest of the OG Crystal Gems in the upcoming episodes, given that Bismuth was entrusted to look after Lapis and Peridot back on Earth while they regenerated.

They're kinda good together tbqh, same with Bismuth and Peridot. I know "everyone loves Bismuth" is a bit corny but she does seem like a character you'd have a beer with like five minutes after meeting her. Granted she wouldn't need to drink it but it's the thought that counts.

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that height inconsistency makes me cringe so hard baka

imagine drunk Bismuth ranting about purging the upper class gems

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WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY

>Lapis, you got a butt that won't quit djsfksjsdf FIVE DOLLARS? Get outta here

Lapis can't be trusted not to be emotionally abusive if left alone with another gem, so instead she got 2 girlfriends

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We're harsh, but fair.

Do Lapis, Peridot, Amethyst, and Steven have 4 somes?

no, kys

probably

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> and how she tried to immediately throw the gems as 'shady S.O.Bs' when they wanted to put this ironically dangerous gem back in the mirror.
Lapis did absolutely nothing wrong to CG's or anyone in the fucking world and yet they tried to stop Steven when he was trying to free her. Lapis is a victim and had absolutely zero reasons to like or trust anyone except Steven.

naaa mate, she's a Steven exclusive one

The gems by this point of the show explained why a cracked gem is dangerous, it fucks with them mentally.
It only got way more explained and gave the gems a LOT more reason to throw her in the mirror in extreme hindsight.

Of course LAPIS had no reason to like anyone else, but that doesn't mean she wasn't a cunt.

Cracked Amethyst was pretty much harmless. No one suggested to put her in some object forever just because she was cracked.

>The depression arc is over
>implying
Just you wait until Lapis discovers her new best buddy Bismuth was the one who poffed her during the war. We're getting another "Lapis is a moody cunt" arc.

Re-read the thread user. It ain't happening.

yeah well maybe season 6 will finally help us get out of status quo jail and maybe Lapis will actually make some friends and develop as a character

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Well shit, if I found out my new drinking buddy was the same guy that stabbed me in the kidney back in 'Nam which got me captured and imprisoned in an POW camp, I think I might be a bit of a moody cunt about it too.

yeah but would you get level a city mad or storm off and cry mad? Because with Lapis its hard to say

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Connie might take Steven's first kiss but Lapis will take his virginity

Lapis wasn't a mook. She was a civilian and Bismuth knew it.

>The gems by this point of the show explained why a cracked gem is dangerous, it fucks with them mentally.
i think you're mixing cracked with corrupted user

Nah Lapises are kindergarten builders. They're part of the system and arguably one of the more dangerous parts of Homeworld's army in regards to harming planets.

Bismuth was ok with attacking civilians because she sees no distinction between gems who fight for the Diamonds and gems that serve them in other ways.

Probably "return the favor and show him what it's like to get stabbed in the kidney" mad.
So yeah, I can see Lapis wanting to duke it out with Bismuth, it could be this whole thing where Bismuth lets Lapis beat the shit outta her to show she's really changed, that old chestnut.
Bit of a moot point though seeing as they're just going to gloss over the whole thing apparently. Wasted opportunity if you ask me but whatever.

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I mean would you remember the guy who knocked you out if you woke up later and were interrogated by terrorists and then shoved into something that kept you awake for thousands of years?

maybe, I bet she spent a lot of time thinking about how she got stuck in a mirror, I mean she was stuck in there a long time with nothing to do but think

That's not what good guys (the show claims CG's are them) do.

this
honestly this would be a good plot point, to see how lapis deals with the fact that her new friend was responsible for all thos years of imprisonment

user Rose Quartz was literally a selfish brat who only liked hanging out with lesser beings because it made her feel superior

we know that the Crystal Gems were questionable at best

Probably not, did I get a good look at him before he did me in? If I got shanked I like to think I'd commit the fucker's face to memory.
This is of course not the inherent issue. I might get over it one day, perhaps move on, but if somebody came up to me and gave me irrefutable proof that my new drinking buddy was in fact the guy that back-stabbed me you best believe I'm getting some revenge. I don't give a shit how many barbecues and birthday parties I've invited him to I'm getting even for that shit!

I unironically need this.

No such thing as a good war, kiddo.

That's a really bad misunderstanding of Rose Quartz as a character. She genuinely loved humans, but it took until Greg for her eyes to be opened to their true potential. Not a murdercock joke btw.

Greg was the only human she didn't look down on

White Diamond wasn't wrong about Rose, the entire rebellion was never actually about freedom and saving humans, that was just a reasonable excuse something to make other gems fight for Pink's cause, she never even really tried to free Pearl,

> No such thing as a good war, kiddo.
That's just some truism which neither explains nor excuses war crimes. Bismuth extrajudicial killing of civilians is a crime not war.

Poofing isn't killing.

It was about saving the Earth and the humans. I wouldn't listen to the big passive-aggressive lightbulb if I were you.

> Poofing isn't killing.
It's still unnecessary violence which reveals Bismuth as a shitty person or CG's as assholes or both.

It's a war. You want them to ask nicely for the conquering army to led? Rebels rebel, they don't send letters asking the people to keep the noise down.

*leave

the dynamic of these two began so good and started to fade, hopefully the movie will get things back on track again

I mean she literally built a weapon specifically to shatter a diamond, I think we have established that Bismuth was always violent and over zealous

Can't Go Back was great for their relationship. Dunno if you watched that.

her arc was good tho

But Bismuth didn't backstab Lapis, Lapis was a homeworld loyal enemy assisting in the war against the Crystal Gems and Bismuth just poofed her. The homeworld gems that put her in the mirror are who Lapis should be mad at. If Bismuth and other crystal gems were leading a guerrilla raid on the Beta Kindergarten to take advantage of the newly emerged/defective states of the quartzes being made there then that could be seen as immoral, but it would give Jasper more reason to be pissed at Bismuth than Lapis. Maybe the writers thought skipping over potential Lapis development with Bismuth wasn't a huge loss because it would have just been another episode of Lapis being cruel towards someone who wasn't responsible for her imprisonment.

hahaha yeah you're right
that sunset scene, damn...

This. Sometimes the thing we want to see is the thing we don't really need. It'd just be repetitive at this point.

Episode pretty as fuck. I'm sad Miki (the boarder) isn't on the team anymore but she's apparently working on the movie which is great.

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>steals his ocean front property
>tries to drown him
>drops him from orbit AFTER he heals her
>refuses to help him escape torture and imprisonment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>likes Steven
The only person Lapis likes and thinks about is herself.

user... you're being dumb

so pretty holy shit...

nah, Lapis is the dumb one

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Civilians "assisting in the war" are not rightful targets for violence juridically or morally.

is.. is Lapis the Rem of Steven universe...

Lapis isn't a civilian if she's part of the army constructing methods of propagating more soldiers. Look at these gems, their function is seemingly to dance. They pose no threat at all. These are gem civilians.

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Lapis was a non-combatant.

Maybe she shouldn't have wandered into a war zone then. It's fair game at that point if you're not paying attention to where you are. Gems have no articles of war and anything goes when it comes to saving the Earth. The only rule they don't break is Don't Shatter which got Bismuth bubbled and locked away when she tried to. I'd say that's fair enough karma.

Lapis wasn't a civilian, she was there to help terraform the planet and help homeworld make more quartz soldiers

> Maybe she shouldn't have wandered into a war zone then.
Civilians are dying in thousands in war zones not because they want to die. Situating in the war zone doesn't make a non-combatant a rightful target.
> It's fair game at that point if you're not paying attention to where you are.
It's not fair and looks both like victim blaming and war crime apology.
> Gems have no articles of war and anything goes when it comes to saving the Earth.
Violence on non-combatants doesn't help them in saving the Earth.
She wasn't a military threat at that exact moment. They could have discussed ethics of terraforming later.

retard. any military commander in history can tell you that civilian targets ARE strategic targets.

non-combatant =/= civilian

Soldiers being forced into fighting are acceptable targets for violence but not the person making them? Sounds fake

so Connie is Emilia?

Just gotta know her better

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i hate how well drawn this is

Lapis's literally make new soldiers. Just because they're immortal doesn't mean they can't get tired and the point is moot anyway since you're applying human morals to an alien race of rocks.

>Them touching each other with a finger
>He's licking her hair
>That look she's giving him
If we all didn't know that these two would hate each other this would almost be sweet

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War crime apology is just beyond and ethic discussion. Sorry, I have to abstain.
Rightful targets are those who are engaged in or ready to engage in combat by definition. You attack them to achieve military victory. It's just a clear definition to stop violence at the point when it's necessary for achieving any non-criminal goal. Later you could investigate and judge. Otherwise it's just a extrajudicial killings.
>making them
you could get pretty far with this logic.

> Lapis's literally make new soldiers.
It doesn't make her combatant.

Because Lapis is a wasted character.

because she likes him more than just a friend

In a crystal gem's eyes letting Lapis go would mean allowing her to continue creating more kindergartens and quartz soldiers for homeworld, or even flying off to call for reinforcements, but again, Bismuth didn't attempt to kill Lapis she just poofed her, which is like temporarily knocking a person out. If there was a human equivalent for a gem who's job is to literally birth soldiers from the ground, knocking them out while they fuck around on a battle field would not be immoral at all. Lapis is not Bismuth's "victim"

fucking dumbass. every civilian target contributes to a war effort, that is why they are targeted. that is not a war crime, it is an objective. thats how total war works. the US even has a doctrine about this known as MAD.

> If there was a human equivalent for a gem who's job is to literally birth soldiers from the ground, knocking them out while they fuck around on a battle field would not be immoral at all.
It's literally not Lapis' job. She can't "birth" or do anything like this in this fight. Her human job equivalent is a construction worker. You can't target construction workers just because they potentially could build some military installations. This logic could lead you very far. Why can't you kill cooks? They feed soldiers. Why can't you kill nurses? They heal soldiers. etc.

As I said you are literally some sort of cannibal beyond any ethics. I am not going to change you mind.

ethics looses all meaning in war. your one objective is to force your enemy into submission. it is what every army throughout history has done, and will continue to do.

RQs aren't medics. The healing powers were Pink Diamond's.

I'm starting to wonder if RQ's even existed. We know Pink could crush dirt into shards of gem. Who's to say she didn't do that with the stones in the zoo? She had all the time in the world to do it.

really? i mean every time her healing powers are brought up they never get questioned like theyre something that unique. its even brought up in the trial iirc

Ethics never looses meaning. Forcing your enemy into submission and war crimes are perpendicular things. The difference is as clear as difference between police and death squads.

>Why can't you kill cooks? They feed soldiers. Why can't you kill nurses?
If Lapis was the only terraformer sent to Earth to create Kindergartens and was the one gem who created the beta kindergarten then that gives her much more responsibility for the creation of soldiers than other gems, there isn't a human equivalent to Lapis' role in the war, without her homeworld has no way of renewing their depleted forces, can't say the same for a cook or a nurse

And Bismuth only POOFED her, which is pretty much harmless, there was no attempt to kill, you refuse to get that through your head because it completely invalidates this narrative you're pushing

>Violence on non-combatants doesn't help them in saving the Earth.
>Lapis's literally make new soldiers
>It doesn't make her combatant

Are you retarded?

The retard is you. Please, educate yourself first about definitions.

war is about murdering others to achieve victory. it doesnt matter that if your enemy is doing the same, you are still murdering them. by that fact alone, morality is already out the window.

killing enemy civilians does have strategic value. it lowers production and recruitment, meaning less equipment can be produced and manpower can be called up to fight. this was done by every army throughout history. even the "good guys" in history have done this, particularly in world war 2, where civilian populations were targeted to bring down production.

I think they actually were presented as something unique to Rose/PD, actually. Even in the trial, it's "who else has the ability to heal gems other than the villainous Rose Quartz?"

>fighting Lapis doesn't help save Earth!
>it literally does, here's why
>but I define non-combatant this way, so it doesn't!

Again: are you retarded?

Lapis isn't a psyker to create Kindergarten at her will. At best she just made a canyon. It's crucial but not really "much more responsibility than other gems". Diamonds are absolutely only ones fully responsible for Kindergartens. Lapis' human equivalent is an operator of excavator.
> you refuse to get that through your head because it completely invalidates this narrative you're pushing
I didn't refuse it and said multiple times that it's still unnecessary violence.

It's not me who defined it that way. Go educate yourself.

You're missing the point, you dumb shit, the definition doesn't matter. You brought up the definition as if it validated your original statement, when it has shit all to do with it.

> war is about murdering others to achieve victory.
And police work is about murdering the suspects.

so do you think the situation changes magically because your enemy has a gun in their hand? no. you are still trying to kill them. morality is gone at that point.
war is different than policing a town.

Outside of kindergartens the only other known requirement for creating new gems is the involvement of gem injectors, and an injector is just a tool, for every kindergarten a single Lapis would be responsible for over half the work in creating thousands of new gems, that's her job that she was willingly doing, she was knowingly assisting homeworld by creating new soldiers

Regardless of their role, simply knocking an enemy out when they are in the middle of a battle field and have the potential to fight back or call for reinforcements is not unnecessary violence

> so do you think the situation changes magically because your enemy has a gun in their hand? no
Yes.
> war is different than policing a town.
How so?

>You can't target construction workers just because they potentially could build some military installations.
>Why can't you kill cooks? They feed soldiers. Why can't you kill nurses? They heal soldiers. etc.
i have some bad news for you...

We should let enemy non-combatants freely roam the theatre of operations and provide material aid and support to belligerent troops, because to detain them would be unnecessary violence.

so suddenly the value of someones life change because they have a gun in their hand? youre still taking their life as you would a civilian. the difference is trivial.
>How so?
a police officer protects the public against criminals, in war you destroy your enemy until they beg you to stop, or stop existing.

>detaining = knocking until unconscious

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what, do you just ask them nicely to be put in prison?

Poofing a gem would arguably be a less severe form of action than detaining them since the poofed gem can just reform and go right back to freely doing whatever they were doing beforehand

Yeah, look at all that physical damage the gems suffer. Concussion, broken bones.

well thats, dumb. so whenever a gem gets cracked, its pretty much a death sentence? why and how are gems still alive?

Who? Non-combatants? There are sorting procedures for this case. And why don't ask nicely? Bismuth could'v tried it.

Retard

>hey can you just follow me into this prison cell? i captured you and all so you have to because its the rules.
retard

One have a gun and other haven't why shouldn't it work?

No, that's unnecessary violence

Just say please

Lapis' story is not a complete picture.
The picture is.
> Blue Diamond brings Lapis to Earth to help constructing Kindergarten.
> Pink Diamond wants to sabotage it.
> They put some time and resources to create Kindergarten.
> PD weakens defense and uses her knowledge about beta Kindergarten to plan the attack.
> PD instructs Bismuth where Lapis is situated and tells her to poof Lapis.
> Attack starts but something goes wrong. Bismuth poofs Lapis but than she is destructed by something and return with bare hands.
> Some Homeworld gem finds Lapis and reports to PD.
> PD tells interrogator that Lapis is a Crystal Gem and orders to put her in the mirror. PD instructs to not listen if Lapis would deny everything. She also forbids anyone telling Blue Diamond about this "to not hurt her feelings by treason". That's why HW gems thought Lapis was a CG and didn't check it.

Homeworld enslaves gems all the time. They make them into doors and walls and statues and whatall, did you forget?

They're immortal and propagate.

this argument is so circular its reminding me of the anti copyright dumbass.

It's only because at the end of the day, Lapis is still shit, and got away with most of her worst moments without much.

oh no man, i agree with that. she deserved to be bubbled and left in the temple for the shit she did.

>Pearl,what should I do?
>S-steven...?
>Tell me...tell me like you used to.

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Obviously she'd attack, she never cried.

Now THIS is a good fan fusion.

It's probably the best one from that artist.

Steven makes Lapis feel wet .

>gem army $200
>gem data $150
>gem infrastructure $200
>sentient gem infrastructure $200000
>gem dancing civilians $360000
>gem weapons against non-gem beings $150
>someone who is good at imperial management please help me budget this. My gem empire is dying

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kek

spend less resources in sentient furniture

no

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I'm gonna read wint's tweets in Patti Lupone's voice from now on.

>stuck as fucking gurren lagann references forever
Such a shame since Lapis is more interesting than Amethyst and a heck of a lot better than wasted slot, I mean, Garnet.

That was Zuke's fault and if what I heard is correct, Sugar drove her over to an abandoned parking lot and beat the crap out of her.
So yeah, I don't think Sugar liked that either.

Amethyst and Garnet are lucky to have barely been touched with this show's 'development' stick in the negative direction.

>get away with trying to kill everyone
Granted everyone is mostly useless.
>stealing the ocean and drowning Connie
At that point she was in shock and injured, we can let that pass. Plus Connie could use a drowning or two, builds character.
>sadistically torture raping Jasper for months
tbf Jasper was kinda asking for it, she was a big red target.
>taking all of Peridot's shit
Yeah, Peridot's been reduced to a joke but let's not forget she was fucking ruthless during her first few appearances
>cowardly abandoning him and the crystal gems when Earth was in danger
Oh shit, PTSD kicking in. Give her a break, this one makes sense.

The ONLY two things I can fault her for doing, you didn't even list them.
>she stole the barn
>she sunk Greg's rented boat
Now those are dick moves.

>Peridot
>Ruthless
She crushed a single robonoid and then the next time we see her she whines that she's gonna tell her boss about the CG's. The current Peridot is more of a character than she ever was and closer to what Rebecca envisioned re: Zim.

> lapis being shocked and injured makes it ok for her to try and drown children
>"muh nam flashbacks" makes it ok to abandon your friends when they need you
>peridot having her stuff stolen is OK because she was more of a jerk at some point in the past.

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>befriended
You know she's just there because Steven. The moment they try any funny shit she'll murder them if Steven isn't there.

Steven's been offworld for a couple of years. She's genuinely on good terms with them now and especially Bismuth and Peridot.

As if we needed more reasons to hate PD. It's over, the entire cast is composed of cunts.

this is such fucking bullshit, why wont the crew let us actually see some fucking character development on screen for fucks sake.

except peridot, she actually cares about earth unlike every other gem except amethyst, who is just a bit more of a dick than peridot.

You've seen plenty. Most people here just ignore it if it disproves their own biased takes of characters.

>"You've seen plenty."
no you fucking nigger, lapis has had next to zero fucking development the whole series. all this shit just happens off screen and its fucking dumb, dont defend this lazy bullshit.

I wasn't talking about Lapis. I agree that Lapis is underwritten.

I heard the Crewniverse basically settle stuff like gypsies. No law involved, just bare knuckle fist fights. They tried to cancel SU but when they sent the suits in they just weren't allowed on the property, grey area in the law and police just don't want to deal with them.

Nice job missing the entire point of Rose's character. The entire point of her character is that she saw the way gems were treated firsthand, how individualism and individual choices were strictly outlawed based on both her own experiences and what she observed in other gems. Made a close friendship with "your" Pearl, treating her as an equal? Get her taken away from you, while simultaneously getting isolated in a tower for god knows how long. Fall in love with organic life and try to take it home with you? Get them killed in front of you while being thrown in the tower yet again. It's flat out abuse, plain and simple. The entire point of the CG rebellion was to set gems who wanted to be individuals free, that included Pink and the rest, but I guess that's too oUt Of LiNe for the great diamond authority.

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This is why she likes him, but it´s also why she sucks so much. She´s a horrible person and is forgiven for all her crimes, while every other character gets SOME punishment when they do something bad.
Fucking monster.

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This is the kind of banter I like in these SU threads. All too often if devolves into the retarded shitflinging and forgets to actually be funny.

youtu.be/LObT_HEuiPw

not happening. Sugar confirmed she was poofed by another bismuth. Crewniverse doesn´t care about her anymore.

She was poofed by the same Bismuth user. Don't spread misinformation.

sorry anons It´s over.

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Pearl simply like them Extra-THICK!
>Too bad she hates males.

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i-is she not wearing panties?

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It´s not misinformation
twitter.com/CartoonUV/status/1152309343036964865
youtube.com/watch?v=9G_Kz2U27qA

(sigh) I'm going to miss her skirt the most..

>Giving Lapis pants was a mistake.

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>These are gem civilians
Wrong. Those are gem nobility. Lapis is just a commoner, that's why she wasn't in there.

Being Lapiss is enough for a punishment.

Well, she also nearly drowned Connie..

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Yes I've seen the panel. She was poofed by our Bismuth but didn't get a good look at her and Bismuth (probably) poofed many Lapises throughout the war. That's the reason there's no drama, there's no recognition between the two.

Pink Diamond could singlehandedly save millions of gems and avoid a civil strife if only she could acted more responsibly and had the courage to directly confront Diamonds instead of being a selfish bitch and pulling a fucking Byzantine trick. Pink Diamond is the ultimate antagonist of Steven Universe and we'll probably see her real side in S6.

I saw somewhere that Sugar said "it probably wasn´t the same Bismuth anyways" which confirms they aren´t gonna do anything with that ever.

>OP: this gay rock makes my pp the big pp
>several posts later
>user: THE DIAMONDS ENTERED THIS WAR UNDER THE RATHER CHILDISH DELUSION THAT THEY WERE GOING TO SHATTER EVERYONE ELSE AND NOBODY WAS GOING TO SHATTER THEM. AT THE SKY ARENA, STRAWBERRY FIELDS, BEACH CITY AND HALF A HUNDRED OTHER PLACES THEY PUT THEIR RATHER NAIVE THEORY INTO OPERATION. THEY SOWED THE WIND AND NOW THEY ARE GOING TO REAP THE WHIRLWIND

The thing that infuriates me about this is that the show made a joke out of this like it´s not a big deal she almost drowns a child.

I love how people always bring up her acts of aggression while totally ignoring the larger context.

oh user,dont you know? lapis can do no wrong! shes been so hurt before so we gotta forgive her for it!

>It's this argument again
She confronted them multiple times and told them she didn't want to do this. They ignored her and told her to do her job as a Diamond. That's why she took Rose and made it a gem that the Diamonds couldn't just bubble and ignore.

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>I don't actually watch the show
watch the show

They save the character development for when they think it would thematically work, instead of when it would logically happen

Character development isn't always logical. This isn't math we're talking about here.

Pearl should've slain the monster who endangered the Earth. It's what Rose would've done.

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Maybe once or twice that is fine, but SU often has this grey area where the characters are allowed to have desires and opinions so long as it wouldn't get in the way of what Steven is doing at the minute.

It's from his POV. It's kinda gonna happen like that.

Did she hate Greg? Because aside from him, everyone else kicked her in the pussy in some way. CGs trapped her in a speak and spell. Peridot prison raped her, or watches Jasper prison rape her. Bismuth Bane'd her. Connie tried stealing Steven from her.

All the perspective thing means is that it's from his viewpoint, it doesn't mean other characters should ditch their preetablished needs and personalities to suit the narrative he's in.

Nah she got along fine with Greg, she just had a panic attack when he wanted her to wear the captain's hat.

>It's what Rose would've done.
>Only killing one person

She said she felt bad about breaking his leg and made him a new car wash sign when she broke it but never apologised for anything , take that as you will

Examples of this? I genuinely can't think of a single one. Amethyst gave up wrestling on her own, Pearl started dating multiple people without his say so and Peridot got into gardening and kept it up without him being there.

that image makes me happy

It´s simple: they don´t want to write for Lapis anymore, but they know the character is loved by the fandom, so they can´t kill her off (that and it would clash with their horrible pacifism narrative)
Why do you think she´s leaving all the time? Why do you think they left her in the barn and then on the moon until they needed her? So they can do the bare minimum with her and get away with it.
How much you wanna bet Lapis does absolutely nothing in the movie besides sing despite the fact that she could probably go toe to toe with the new villain.

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>Horrible pacifism narrative
People fight all the time in SU, they just don't murder their enemies.

>They save the character development for when they think it would thematically work
Yes, like the time where she decided she was leaving earth forever after hearing the diamond invasion was coming, only for her to go back at the last minute and decide to become a crystal gem. That totally works thematically and isn´t a bullshit moment.

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Season 1 established that Pearl was crazy for going into space and liked learning engineering, in s3 they get a modern functional space ship and she doesn't even pretend to give a fuck

And just a bunch of stuff in general, like how gems get barned. How bismuth came back and took only one episode to learn to act in a Steven-compliant way

>(that and it would clash with their horrible pacifism narrative)
I'll never get over just how much of the show only "works" because the story has to bend over backwards to not portray violence or aggression or even sensible thought as a solution to a problem.

It was supposed to be a Han Solo moment. It didn't really work because the no tears scene was pure edge and everyone had had enough of lapis bullshit by then

>Steven-compliant way
This is so cynical I think my eyes might roll out of my head. Not to mention Pearl had character development between S1 and S3 and wasn't as homesick anymore and actively helped them all the way throughout the zoo showing off her prowess with Homeworld tech. Don't ignore details just because they're not convenient to your argument.

How the show skipped how Peridot and Lapis became friends entirely
Seriously, what the fuck was that. Lapis went from barely tolerating her to becoming her best friend. Their friendship is easily the weakest one in the entire series because we never saw it form.

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That's because it was one-sided. Rewatch Raising the Barn.

But Han Solo grew during the movie he was in. There were clues that he changed from a complete asshole to someone who kind of cares. And that´s because the movie didn´t focus on Luke all the time and gave Han some moments of his own.

Pearl helping them through a found obstacle or whatever doesn't really change the fact that past s2 or so, the gems have very little individual initiative unless it's plot convenient for them to want to do things. Lapis is just the most obvious victim of this because she is powerful enough to do anything.

That's not true. Violence is very often shown as a means to an end, generally as an act of self-defense or protection, but the show very much stresses that the final nail in a problem should be dealt with words and understanding, not brute force.

Even then, when Lapis comes back after leaving for the moon, they´re just friends again. No development on the two becoming real friends, no apologies for leaving her homeless, nothing. And now, judging by the trailer, they are now truly best friends after the time skip. And we didn´t see how it came to fruition at all.
Peridot and Bismuth´s friendship makes more sense, and they have like three scenes together. Three more than Lapis and Peridot ever had!

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Now that I think about it though it would make sense for the CGs to suspect that she was corrupted. Doesn't necessarily excuse them not taking her out and just bubbling the monster, or just bubbling the mirror like they did with that pillow gem, but I could see them thinking that she was corrupted in the mirror and not releasing her so they wouldn't have to deal with the resulting likely very powerful monster.

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It's not as if there was any major problems in S3 and S4 for that to matter. Pearl had every personal reason to want to save Greg in S4 and to save the humans in the finale so the parts where it actually matters they are acting in their own interests.

They didn't have time to even have a conversation when Lapis came back, it was the middle of a battle. Then they were poofed and immeditely had to leg it to Homeworld when they reformed so obviously there wasn't going to be any personal time then. I do love Bismuth and Peridot's chemistry though. I was inwardly smug because they hit it off so much better than Peridot and Lapis ever did.

>They didn't have time to even have a conversation when Lapis came back, it was the middle of a battle. Then they were poofed and immeditely had to leg it to Homeworld when they reformed so obviously there wasn't going to be any personal time then.
Then there shouldn´t have been a fucking time skip if the crew expects us to take lapis and peridot´s friendship seriously. If the time skip revealed they aren´t friends or roomates anymore it would be so much better, but nah. They are friends for real now. We will never see how that came to fruition, but they expect us to enjoy it because...reasons.

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They may have thought she was corrupted, as they found her left behind after the corruption blast/song, but unlike the pillow gem which has been stated to be that particular gem's corrupted form, Lapis's mirror was introduced as a non-unique item. This implies that using gems as a power source is not uncommon.

The existence non-sentient gems used as power sources has never been discussed in the show, but Steven telling the gems that the mirror talks to him is very much an indicator that the gem within the mirror was sentient, a trait that has never been attributed to a corrupted gem before. Centi communicated with Steven, but did not "talk" to him.

Lapis and Peridot aren't even standing next to each other in the trailer, Bismuth is between them. You don't find that a bit suspect?

Those guys seems like they were born to be walls. They have articulation and the capacity to talk even if they're forbidden too. Lapis and maybe the Desert Glass are the only gems that seem to have been enslaved by being forced to power objects.

lapis a slut
a SLUUUUUUUUUT

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I love my friend (no homo) but hate everyone else in the world

talking to them =/= confronting them

no

Oh are we just changing the meanings of words now. We're at that point? Guess it wouldn't be a Yea Forums Steven Universe thread without some of that.

fuck forgot to attach the image.
Basically what I´m trying to say is that Lapis and Peridot are bffs and Bismuth isn´t forcing them to get along or anything. It´s your standard SU bullshit: everyone gets along and nobody stays evil.

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they're afraid to have an uncomfortable status quo, so they pretend everything's fine and reveal in s6 that no, it wasn't fine. this always happens.

they were just too afraid to reveal anything of lapis. her vulnerabilities, her feelings on the diamonds, whether or not she even had any friends before steven and peridot. it's like they kept saving her for something that never happened

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Those two are entirely different things you sperg.

>they're afraid to have an uncomfortable status quo, so they pretend everything's fine and reveal in s6 that no, it wasn't fine. this always happens.
that´s bullshit and you know it. Just like the people saying there was gonna be a conflict between Lapis and Bismuth. Not gonna happen.

Please stop talking.

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I do agree with you, they had a friendship that was barely on screen. But then it disappeared when they kicked Zuke out.

If only we got to hear the dialogue for those scenes so we could now what her fucking argument was. We will never know if she did everything she could as Pink because the crew for some reason thinks it's not worth seeing her attempts in full. Probably because it would actually reveal that she didn't do everything she could have and just used the Rose persona because she didn't want to be totally truthful with her family.

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But then it came back in the finale, and now it´s here for good as seen in the trailer.
If they killed it for real I would be happy, but it´s clear that it´s not.

There's no reason to believe that Pearl was lying considering that she admitted that Pink was possibly selfish in her actions.

Y'know, if you actually watched the show it already answers the question for you.

>Steven is still shorter than Lapis even though he grew up
fuck this height inconsistency

>He's squatting int he shot
>There's forced perspective
>He's only about Pearl's height and Pearl is taller than Lapis

It's pretty on point.

>she asked them a few times so thats the same as actively confronting them
imagine actually defending this shitty writing.

reading this whole thread made me realize how fucking wasted her character is, holy fuck.

for a character created by sugar herself, she means jackshit for the plot, incredible.

shes a waste of space. its a good thing we dont get many episodes with her in it, theyre all terrible.

i hope you're right user, i really do

>explicitly states she confronted them *multiple* times, with flashbacks and everything to the point where she literally did everything she did
>she didnt confront them!

maybe you should try watching the show, who knows you might actually like it.

because she loves him user

Her only purpose was to be a tool for Jasper and Peridot to come to Earth, who were important characters. Peridot brought the Cluster arc, and Jasper brought the Pink Diamond reveal. Lapis just stayed around because...I guess they didn´t want to kill her off, even if she never provided anything useful ever again.

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>"she did everything she could to make the diamonds listen to her"
>does nothing but talk to them and just ask them
kill yourself, cretin. she should have asserted herself, but she didnt. all we got in the flashbacks were just her begging or asking.

I wouldn't doubt there's the odd slip-up here and there, but Tall!Steven will be better relatively to each character by virtue of having a neck and longer legs. It was bad when he was a tiny lad because it got really egregious, but not so here.

>I talk to someone and tell them to stop
>This is somehow not confronting them
>The tiniest Diamond with zero authority somehow being able to talk down TWO Diamonds, nevermind White
OK retard. You got me to reply so enjoy your (you)'s.

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seepink never asserted herself, even when she was being punished wrongfully. shes a coward and a selfish cunt who wanted everyone else to do the fighting for her.

>but Tall!Steven will be better relatively to each character by virtue of having a neck and longer legs

I hope so user

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tried stealing Steven from her.
not a wise thing to do from Connie

Great argument! You really convinced me!

Nobody listened to her. Pink asserting herself in the slightest to the diamonds just means she'd be thrown to rot, isolated, in a tower because the other 3 diamonds are horrible people.

She is as bad as her sisters, because she is a whinny brat only got her colony and her planet because she didn't stop asking for one, despite being obvious that she wasn't ready for such responsability and drope it to play the rebel and forcing thousands of gems to play allong.

This made 0 sense, nice job.

It's genuinely clear you didn't watch the show, or didn't pay attention to the Pink subplot in the slightest. I'd recommend watching the show with an emphasis on Pink's story, it may make a lot more sense then.

Zuke tried to force lapidot, good thing she was stopped

of course peridot/lapis episode is going to happen, unless they introduce sneeple or some shit they have literally nothing else to talk about

>hey lapis can we talk about how you left and took the barn?
>yeah, my bad
>ok, we're cool

sorry for the spoilers man

writing thought: if she'd been the first crystal gem steven uncorrupted instead of nephrite, she would have been relevant until the end and you could have given her even more angst.

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zuke said the ship was uprootend and destroyed, i trust sugar to salt the earth

>to salt the earth
im sorry user, not familiar with the expression, care to explain?

>he will be as tall as her now

Yes, trust the crazy psycho´s word.
"Uprooted and destroyed" means peridot and lapis will never kiss and stay as friends.

when you pour salt on the ground, no plants can grow there anymore.

ohh so you are saying that sugar killed the ship and nothing can grow anymore, got it
thanks for explaining user

she's just so perfect!

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A combination of Diamond power and the ol' universe charm.

>TFW Rose foresaw the need for a god-like being to clean up the mess she did not want, but inherited, and could not resolve
>TFW she sought down the centuries for the perfect man to sire this messianic figure

I like that artist a lot but it sucks that she only draws Lapis

I really like how Lapis is originally supposed to represent a symbol victim of the cruelty and oppression of Homeworld gems. But thanks to Zuke, all we have is a badly written lesbian with no real purpose in the show.

Why would Lapis know how to read English? Goddamn racist bitch.

there was never a reason for lapis and peridot to become friends. They barelly have any chemistry together, and the whole "they can be themselves around eachtother" thing doesnt mean they actually like each other real self so is just a dumb gimmick to justify the """"ship"""".

Lapis only has chemistry with steven, and peridot with the entire team really, but mostly steven and amethyst.
Lapis should've been a loner, and peridot be with the gems or in the barn building things idk.

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holy fuck thats perfect.

>Steven could tap that if he wanted to

>"they can be themselves around eachtother"
and thats not even true. didnt they basically say in raising the barn that peridot WASNT able to be herself around lapis? peridot had to police herself to keep lapis from getting mad, they dont even have "no chemistry" they have horrible chemistry. they dont go together at all.

watch the show yourself, we were never shown PD asserting herself. all she did in the flashbacks was just ask them and then they say no. nothing of substance. you have no arguments besides "im right youre wrong"

stop defending shitty writing.

no argument. i will accept your concession and apology.

>This is somehow not confronting them
That's obviously not confrontation. Pink never had the balls to direcly step up any of her sisters.

Obviously because it will be an end to Earth.

you know that how?

On the contrary, they could never dare to destroy Earth and risk the chance of Pink getting shattered with it because Pink's existence was an enough reason for them. At worst, they'll just leave it alone if Pink had insisted on it enough. Still, it's no wonder why they didn't take her seriously as she often made tantrums and they simply thought her obsession with Earth was just another one of them. But thanks to her incredible stupidity, Pink gave Diamonds the perfect chance to get rid of her planet by faking her death, re-identifying herself as Rose Quartz and gambling Earth in an all out war.

this.

when someone does something you don't like, you make an example of them. wtf did pink think they were going to do to earth after proving diamonds could be shattered

> Earth and risk the chance of Pink getting shattered with it because Pink's existence was an enough reason for them.
They would just grab her physically and lock as they always did.
It took thousands years of development to this results. It couldn't work without Steven.

/ss/

Pink was only locked because she was acting like a selfish child instead of a ruler. I'm pretty sure Blue and Yellow Diamond would treat her way differently once they would see that she could actually stand on her own feet.

Like I said, everything happened because Pink was a coward. I stated that she's going to be the ultimate antagonist of SU, not Diamond Authority after the Rose/Pink reveal and my claim still stands. Steven Universe does have way more twists than you might think.

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Who is the artist?

honestly, a god starting a war and pointlessly throwing away thousands of lives because she's a stupid selfish fuck is far scarier than starting it because keikatu

Happyds or as he goes by Andydraws_ on twitter

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Personally I think she just really wants shota dick

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incompetence and delusions of grandeur are how most wars start.

She's gone anyway. No way in hell this'll happen.

>Ruler
She didn't want to rule in the first place, she didn't like having authority over others.

Let they should of done something with Steven and Lapis
I mean she doesn’t look that older then him so I can see it working

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Wow that artist is fucking good

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She won't be the ultimate antagonist because SHE'S GOOOOOOOOOOOONE

in a way, thats why shes the biggest villain.
when she couldnt cope with her actions, she killed herself and forced her problems on steven

cringe

>Why would someone like a person who set them free from thousands of years of imprisonment more than the others who did nothing to help or kept her prisoner.
Gee user, it's a complete mystery.

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dont worry they spent a lot of time together

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Based BitchAnon

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rosefag cope

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Obsessed

Should I call Greg's voice actor's radio show and ask him to say something murdercock related

You seem to, uh... really be obsessed with her wanting to be the villain. Why?

>rose was a gud girl she dindu nuffin!
rosefags never cease to amaze with their cope

It was just Connie. Who even cares?

That wasn't really relevant to my question.

You seem to be doing a lot of cope yourself. Do you want to have a structured debate about this?

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I do

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youtube.com/watch?v=cYrh5h9acg8

for a thread you fags refuse to let die there is very few lapis posting.

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how tall do you think each of the CG's are anons?

>garnet: 6'0

>pearl: 5'9

>amethyst: 4'10

>steven pre movie: 4'7

>Peridot: 4'5

>lapis: 5'3

I'd say you're spot on. Bismuth is pretty tall too and I think Rose was confirmed to be around 7-8ft (which given her previous form makes a lot of sense in hindsight).

>Garnet- 7'2ish
>Pearl- 6'0
>Amethyst- 5'0
>Steven pre-timeskip- 4'10
>Steven post-timeskip- 5'10
>Rose- 8'0
>Peridot- 4'5
>Lapis- 5'11
>Bismuth- 6'5
>Connie- 5'6
>Greg (if he counts)- 5'8

>Garnet- 7'2ish
>Pearl- 6'0
nah, the height difference between pearl and garnet isnt that big. and theres no way lapis is 5'11, thats taller than most full grown men.

Most full grown women are 5'1/5'2. theres no way a twelve year old connie is 5'6, especially if you compaer her to her mom, or any other adult female who she is MUCH shorter than.

To be honest, I was just basing it off Rose's confirmed height of 8'0 and measuring from there. It's probably not accurate but from scale that's what it seems like.

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