Kills Solus with the power that didn't even affect him last time

>Kills Solus with the power that didn't even affect him last time
>Beat Venom in like two panels
>Beats Annihilus in a single fucking panel
>Beats Blackheart after he beat Thor and Vision
>Beat Ultimate Peter
>Pushed in every fucking adaptation, even if he has no need to be there when Peter's still a fucking high schooler
>Only adaptation that didn't make Miles feel forced was into the Spider Verse
>No villains that aren't Peter's sloppy seconds
>More where that came from
Defend this.

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I literally can't.
There is not a single good thing about his character.

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>Tell Milesfags that their character sucks
>All they can do to defend him is talk about ItSV
Every fucking time.

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it's almost like he is more of a marketing gimmick than a serious attempt at creating a character that you can tell worthwhile stories with

>He's Spider-Man but ethnic now!

>Now we can appeal to all the black people!

That is literally all his character is about.

>There is not a single good thing about his character.
You can tell someone's incredibly racist whenever they say they like Miles. So he's good at outing those fuckers.

Which series depict him at his best?

Can he defeat Franklin Richards and Superman?

Into the spider-verse was good.
He sucks literally everywhere else though

He's right though.

It's almost like it's the only good piece of mexia that he has ever been in

A look-a-like is not the actual character. What's difficult to understand about this?

This obsession isn't healthy my friend. Please. Seek help.

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>fucking paired by bendis with spider gwen because of his cuck fetish
>there is no defending me

the one true spider-man all others are blasphemy.

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I won't argue that he sucked under Bendis, but his current run by Ahmed is pretty good. In particular, he's getting an actual rogue's gallery of his own with guys like Snatcher, Starling, the Assessor/Asset Quantum. Plus positioning Tombstone as a Miles villain specifically, which I think works pretty well and no, not just because he's black.

And, of course, the best villain.

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I won’t. That was shit
Not true though. He’s better than what he was a few years ago

this retarded loser can even make a proper sentence you are never getting that GED

yes
peter should have gone off to college and had new adventures with him trying to juggle being in the ultimates with school, his personal life and being a friendly neighborhood spider-man.

Quite being racist and judge him not on the colour of his skin, but on the content of his stories.
Miles has been shit for... 8 years now?
People who dislike Miles can cite numerous examples of why they dislike him. People who like him call others racist because THEY like Miles for being black. They judge him on the colour of his skin. They are, quite literally, displaying prejudice based on skin colour.

>He’s better than what he was a few years ago
No, he's exactly the same, and still terrible for all the exact same reasons. If you're going to spout NPC shit about how he's "fixed" just because "BUT NO BENDIS?", you have zero fucking awareness of why everyone hates him.

>and still terrible for all the exact same reasons.
And what are they?

Miles should be Jellyfish-Man and shoot tendrils from his fingertips.
His power-set has nothing to do with spiders

Oh. I thought you were one of those braindead Miles fans who calls anyone who doesn't like Miles a racist.

Nobody has ever been called racist for saying they dislike Miles. Why are you lying? What the hell is this narrative that you keep spouting in everyone of these bait threads?

As usual, everything "good" about him is just plagiarized from Spider-Man, and everything original is fucking mindnumbingly retarded.

That's pretty vague, can you explain what you find about him that's retarded, and what he copies from current pete?

>A look-a-like is not the actual character. What's difficult to understand about this?
How fitting that this describes Miles being built up as "THE SUCCESSOR TO PETER PARKER IN EVERYWHERE" as well.

>Nobody has ever been called racist for saying they dislike Miles
Either new or historical revisionist, not sure which.
Much like Michelle Jean in the newest Spider-man movies, everyone who didn't like the new 'MJ' was labelled racist. Of course no one cared to think about the fact that the writers created M.J.-but-not-M.J. specifically to be race-baiting retards, but that's another thing.

copies:
>name
>costume
>powers
>villains
>supporting cast
OC donut steel:
>1HKO BLAST
>gimmick is being black, but doesn't add any depth
>shoehorned into every book; always makes the comic shit as soon as he shows up

You already knew all of this, though.

First three are accurate
>>villains
>>supporting cast
He has an actual different cast now (his parents, own friends, love interest), and new villains
HKO BLAST
No longer OHKO, can't even take down Rhino
>>gimmick is being black, but doesn't add any depth
No, his gimmick is being a high school peter parker that happens to be black now
>>shoehorned into every book; always makes the comic shit as soon as he shows up
Champions and...?

>There is not a single good thing about his character.
He's an extremely fuckable twink.

Reminder that Miles is just early Peter with later Peter's personality and obligatory black person electricity powers.

Sure, if you're into AIDS.

But what’s the point of a character “inheriting” villains and a name from a still active hero. Miles hasn’t contributed anything to the name he’s been attached to and refusing to quantify him in peters life, you know beyond ending it, is what makes him actively insulting to any fans. But I’m just a racist right? There’s nothing wrong with Bendis making money off of the destruction of the character that made his name?

>Defend this.

Theres nothing to defend.

Shills and casuals think the Legacy character can surpass the Base character and then you have the legacy fanboys that know better but think their favorite Legacy character is going to be the exception

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Barry and hal and blue beetle have already surpass their base.

That's because DC legacies, a lot of the time, have been better than Marvel legacies made after the year 2000. The only one I can really think of that isn't really shit is Agent Venom, and even then he's not really the best.

He beats characters Peter can't and keep health relationships, that makes him better.

I get the reference, but isn't Miles from a higher income household? He shouldn't be infected with HIV even if he was gay.

He appeared in Cates' Venom just to punch Knull with a venom blast.

Bendis wrote him.

Correct! Barry and Hal has surpassed their Golden Age counterparts because they been changed to the point where they have become the new 'template' or 'default'.

The Spider-verse uses Peter as the template like there's no Miles-verse happening.

You're the first one to bring up race in this thread. Congrats.

"X but better" most often just means "X but boring"

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>Miles should be Jellyfish-Man and shoot tendrils from his fingertips.

That would actually be interesting, I could see it being executed legitimately but corporate comics are so uncreative now if you gave them that idea it would end up as a joke character.

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Didn’t he utterly fail at stopping Knull too?

Not him?

>His power-set has nothing to do with spiders

Neither does Peter parker. Or dont think jellyfish can stick to walls.

That wasn't even Knull himself, that was just the symbiote dragon. He's still trapped in Klynthar.

Jellyfish tentacles have tiny 'hair' teeth it uses to grab it's meal. That was the movie explanation for Spider-man clinging to walls, might as well be JellyMiles' too
Apart from that he can turn invisible, Jellyfish can be nearly invisible. He has a potent venomblast power, jellyfish deliver deadly venoms via touch.
You just don't think a black guy should be a sea-hero

No I dont believe jellyfish can stick to walls.

Not only that Superior Ock design comes close

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I honestly think Otto should change his persona back from Superior Spider-Man to Octopus. Maybe he should do so after one of his villains shittalks him so much by calling him a mere "mimic octopus" or some shit.

Yet every single thing Miles is accused of being, Peter has been and worse. Call me when Miles kills his girlfriend with his semen, or when he makes a pact with the devil to retcon bad decisions, or when he boasts about fucking supermodels in such a way that you can smell the writer's sweat glands on the other side. If Miles did even a modicum of the shit Peter gets away with on a regular basis, we would never EVER hear the end of it. The board would implode upon itself. I wonder why that is, do you have any idea why? Huh smart guy?

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Yes but the thing is peter had over FOUR DECADES of stories before shit like that popped up. Miles has been around for almost one and hasn't done a single thing that justifies him stealing the name. He's mad a name for himself change it or shunt him off into the ultimate universe again, because he has no niche. Peter is both the older experienced spider-man AND the younger hero (MCU) Miguel is the cool alternate universe spider-man with diferent powers and now Doc Ock is the one whose dealing with the multiverse shit. so what purpose does Miles have beyond these arguments?

That's not the problem, since basically all superhero stories are shit and written with either children or mouthbreathers in mind. The problem is people won't leave the guy have his shitshow in peace literally because, and I cannot stress this one enough, he's black.

Isn't he half Spanish?

But user he's only gotten the push he's gotten because, and I can't stress this enough, he's black. Miguel was the most popular character in his line and was left forgotten for over a decade because they didn't know what to do with him, Mayday had a vocal supportive fanbase and the largest uninterupted run of any female character in marvels history, Marvel repeatedly attempted to bury her until their attempts to sabotage her officially worked, her 20th anniversary came and went with no fan fair even though she is literally everything they're attempting to turn Carol into. Miles has added nothing to the name and has been shackled to pete in every iteration since 2012 and you wonder why spider-man fans hate him? You Miles fags really are just racists looking for a fight huh

>Solus, he threw Sword Vigor at him. Leopardon was shown to cause fear in and damage the Inheritors back in the Original Spider-verse
So instead of giving the kill to Leopardon they asspulled a reason for Miles to be the one using the fucking sword. Your justification makes things WORSE.

And Peter only had the push he got because it took advantage of the teen market and was born in the biggest corporation of the comic industry when literally nobody could compete with it, so what? How is this different? Everything you whine about is just the cycle of growth, change and death that awaits all characters, and so-called Spiderman fans can suck my dick. Let the kids enjoy their comics.

>Modern kids
>reading comics

now I know you're a shill, the only arguments you guys ever have are
>you're racists
>Peter is bad
All I'm asking for is either a more fleshed out connection to the world they've shoved him into or his complete removal to another. The fact that all you can do is resort to attacks shows that all you want to do is feel morally superior in an anonymous argument. And how peter is different from miles is Peter was a completely new IP that subverted the expectations of teen characters in comic books at the time, Miles just is a patchwork "character" laid on top of an already popular IP utilizing virtue signalling. Why do you think his personality has been different in every single use of him? PS4 Spiderverse comics and the cartoons have all been vastly different despite him always being a young kid in them. He has no personality he's just a skin color to hang a popular name on. but you don't care you're just a racist looking for a fight

See, you still don't get it. I dont want to feel morally superior, since I know I am. You don't get to ask for shit because it's not your place to do it to begin with, and you having that reaction tells me a lot about the smug sense of entitlement you share with a good portion of the Spiderman fanbase (lol). Peter was original because he was a teenager in a time where main characters where mostly adult men, which is a can of worms we'll have to open another day. Miles is original in the sense that he's a black teenager in a time where main characters are mostly white teenagers. Don't like it? Hell, if society wasn't full of people like you maybe he wouldn't have needed to be a legacy character at all. But it's a stepping stone you still will fume about until the Internet dies. Let the kids enjoy their comics.

>literally because, and I cannot stress this one enough, he's black.
Counter-argument
Kamala is Muslim and brown
Carol is a white woman
People shit on Carol, not on Kamala
Explain away mr. it's-cuz-he's-black

I think people shit on Kamala too.

here's something,
why does he even need his own villians if he isn't his own character?

They could if you threw them hard enough.

>I don't want to feel morally superior since I know I am
You are genuinely the worst type of person huh? Leaving any of the points made to just rattle on about how important it is that this black character whose completely unoriginal in everyway is important and not racist even though he is astonishingly racist if you actually read his books. Its not about supporting black creators with you its about supporting major corporations as long as they agree with you. People liked patriot whose a black legacy character but he got buried because he had his own name, half of the fucking mutants come up with since the 90s have been kids of color but they got buried because you never bothered to support them since who would care that you support new characters? I would love it if Milesstone actually got a push in this day and age but they won't since fags like you would rather see racebent characters to argue over for false internet adulation rather than see something created from a black or brown perspective. So I don't get to say this often, because I don't particularly believe it belongs in proper discourse, and trust me when I say it comes from the bottom of my heart,and its way more for you than for me kill yourself

>And Peter only had the push he got because it took advantage of the teen market
>A few months after Spider-Man's introduction, publisher Goodman reviewed the sales figures for that issue and was shocked to find it was one of the nascent Marvel's highest-selling comics.[30]:97 A solo ongoing series followed, beginning with The Amazing Spider-Man #1 (cover-dated March 1963). The title eventually became Marvel's top-selling series[9]:211 with the character swiftly becoming a cultural icon; a 1965 Esquire poll of college campuses found that college students ranked Spider-Man and fellow Marvel hero the Hulk alongside Bob Dylan and Che Guevara as their favorite revolutionary icons
One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just isn't the same.

>Miles is original in the sense that he's a black teenager in a time where main characters are mostly white teenagers.
Funny how Static did this first and a hell of a lot better than Miles did to the point no one complains about Static. Or other minority teenagers like Jaime or Kamala. This is because they actually gave these teenage heroes an identity outside of their race and drew in people who weren't black or hispanic or middle-eastern because they were interesting personalities. Sure Peter had the advantage of being one of the first teenage superheroes but he had character to go with him. Miles has virtually nothing going for him outside of being black, any other interesting traits for him are cloned from Peter's character.

How rare to see someone admit their ideological religious zealotry

Yea Forums loves kamala, they hate they she gets fucked over by events derailing her book

marvel has a better ethnic spider-man who isn't defined by his ethnicity in miguel, but he looks white, so fuck miggy

honestly nothing would change about miguel if they darken him a few shades

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Fuck High School genre in Superheroes

Graduate Kamala and Miles now. It's been almost 10 years for Miles and maybe 7 for Kamala now.

>>Beats Annihilus in a single fucking panel
I can't, what the fuck? There are dudes who can nuke a city block who can't pull this off.

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God the Inheritors are the fucking worst, lamest event villains. So glad they got scrapped for the movie.

Hey you nerds, I'm back and ready just in case you could rest at ease in your little internet bubble of sweaty self-righteousness focused entirely on kid's products.

See, you can babble about literally whos all you want. The math is actually quite simpler. "We want a superhero that's like a sidekick character but by himself, since teenagers are tired of adult heroes pontificating to them". Bam. Spiderman. "We want a superhero just like Spiderman but black, since teenagers are tired of white heroes pontificating to them". Bam. Legacy character Miles Morales, alias Spiderman. Think it's unoriginal? So is capeshit. You're barking at the wrong tree. Also, there's no such thing as being racist against white people. Swallow that pill.

How is that not taking advanted of an untapped market?

No, this is because Spiderman is a household name and nerds won't let thee deface the mythos of the Spider Man, HAVE AT YOU etc. It's the same ridiculous gatekeeping that's giving the nerds a bad name everywhere. Like I said: who gives a FUCK about comics.

Rare to become so bored reading a comment.

You're right racism isn't racism as long as its publicly acceptable right? Wow what a new idea, you're such a trend setter. Its not as if that "new idea" popped up in the last 5 years has done catastrophic damage to the unity of the country that's directly responsible for the rise of Donald. Though you did just admit you're here to just masturbate over these arguments, so props to that I suppose. Fuck actually supporting new ideas with new characters, lets just support the black son of Jefferson Davis who believes that he can only make a difference if he steals the name of a white man

You've got it backwards, Miles exists because there was already a large ethnic fanbase for Spider-man

then why not make him mexican? Mixicros have always been big fans and they deserved to get a push. Hell just darken Miguel a few shades and give him a good real push. Miles is just everything a new york jew masturbates over when talking about the diversity they won't allow in their own neighborhoods and schools

I can't take highschool kids seriously in anything. Especially not if they team with the actual Avengers and stuff like that. Age them up to college I say.

>who gives a FUCK about comics
Presumably comic-book readers

Racism began existing in roughly 2016, when people heard about non-whites existing in media and became so furious they elected a fascist billionaire over it. Also, I'll repeat the point I've made endlessly and you've chosen to ignore: capeshit is ignorant, derivative bottom-barrel bullshit and you acting like it's a great loss that we don't have a black guy with the superpower of not being threatening to fanboys instead of a black teenager version of an established marketing powerhouse is laughable. Let kids enjoy their comics.

I've been ignoring your nothing point of saying that comics are shit while talking on a comic forum while you've been ignoring every other point that I've made about Miles because you're just here to masturbate over your nothing opinions. Yes Black kids need heros I'm just saying can we give them heros that don't have scenes where their black fathers state that he doesn't want his son to share his name because he doesn't want to burden him with a connection to his criminal family.

In terms of supporting cast, Spider-Man had Aunt May, Flash Thompson, Gwen Stacy, Mary Jane, JJJ, Betty Brant, Randy Robbinson, Ben Urich, Ned Leeds, Harry Osborn, Liz Allen, and countless others in his first decade of existence. Who does Miles have? His fat asian best friend, his parents, and some chick. You shouldn't have to wait a decade for a character to get tolerable and gain a supporting cast.

I'm presuming there's people out there who followed other Spider-people titles more closely than I have
How does Miles' run compare to, say, Mayday or Anya or Carpenter, Venom's or even Ben's? He's had 8 years or something of continuous runtime, how much runtime did the others have? How long until they were relegated to showing up sometimes in other people's books?

Waifu-fags don’t really count. They’ll read a book even if it had Frank Miller’s current art in it drawn on a napkin if their waifu is in it.

>Waifu-fags don’t really count.
>Brown Muslim girl has waifufags
>Asian chick doesn't
Why does Kamala get waifufags but Cindy Moon doesn't?
Could it be that it's less to do with racism and more to do with one character being shit? (Thompson did good work with her, but I fear Slott ruined her hard)

Mayday and Venom are the only two on there who have comparable runs, though I haven't most of the others. Venom bounces around the country going from being an outright villain to an anti hero, though Agent Venom was mostly a straight on hero, he just had few qualms with killing.

Mayday got 100 issues in her first run then a total of 41 issues in the following two volumes. She had her own supporting cast and villains, I'n not gonna say she had the greatest rogues gallery but it was serviceable for a very silver agey book made in the middle of the ultimate edgy 00's era. She also does the one thing that Miles never has attempted to do, add to the mythos rather than over write it. The way Tom Defalco put it was "Peter learned that if he didn't act people would die, May learned that if she did act people would be saved"now it does mean the same thing but its the subtlety of the thought that makes her the natural progression of the character. I can't think of anything Miles stands for in simple terms, its why the moral of his movie is "anyone can be spiderman"

It was mostly the Sword Of Justice that killed Solus.

>No, this is because Spiderman is a household name and nerds won't let thee deface the mythos of the Spider Man, HAVE AT YOU etc. It's the same ridiculous gatekeeping that's giving the nerds a bad name everywhere. Like I said: who gives a FUCK about comics.
That's a retarded argument because there have been countless other Spider-men not met with the same amount of criticism as Miles because they are handled infinitely better. Miguel, May-Day, Ben, you rarely hear anyone complain about these other Spider-men compared to Miles due to being more interesting. Even OTTO was a more interesting Spider-man than Miles is.

>Also, there's no such thing as being racist against white people.
>durrrrrrr racism = prejudice plus power hurrrrrrrrrr
Racism is racism no matter which race it's targeted against. You don't get to justify hating whites because white's aren't in the minority, when you say retarded shit like this you're not asking for equality, but exception. Also your entire point is turned on its head when you step out of the anglosphere and into any country where whites aren't the majority.

Actually consider suicide, the human race is better off without a hypocritical neanderthal like you.

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>Racism began existing in roughly 2016
Good to know, now blacks have no reason to get uppity about slavery because it wasn't racist.

>had to steal stuff from everyone else to win
Truly, this speaks of Miles and his originality.

If all else fails they Marvel can always use the other black Spider-'man', Ashley Barton; Peters granddaughter.

Marvel would have to pull off some multiverse shenanigans to get her into 616 but it is possible

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In few pages she became her own character rather than just being "Spider-blackwoman".

Miles is not that bad

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>"But he is def color. So exciting!"
But that's literally and unironically what Bendis is like.

this was the culmination of that plot though, just the acceptance of the fact that he's important because he's black spiderman

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Miles could've said anything in that last panel and turned it around.

You know for people who supposedly hate Miles, you sure do make a lot of threads about him. This is the third one on the front page

He could've, but he didn't because that's the point bendis wanted to make

I know, it pisses me off.

Thing is I wouldn't even hate him if they got him out of Peter's stories and just named him something else. Maybe don't kill off Peter and his girlfriend, so Miles can have his life. Maybe just let him inhabite his own world with his own characters and problems but that's just too much to ask.
Miles definitely needs to have Gwen as his girlfriend, has to wear the same suit as Peter, has to have the same Superhero name as Peter, needs every power Peter has but better, be as relatable as Peter, get the same villains as Peter etc., otherwise Americans and Yea Forums wouldn't be guillable enough to eat that shit up.

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But don't you love his super secret origin that gives us perfect rational justification as to why he latched onto a name that's already in use?

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>needs every power Peter has but better
He's actually slower and weaker than Peter.

Don't worry. Venom Blast is here to counter all of that shit, so you don't have to worry about balance.

Yet he has natural invicibility powers and Venom explosion to overcome that.

I know.

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Part of what makes Miles boring compared to Peter is (besides being a literal fucking carbon copy of Peter with electricity powers) is the fact that he doens't suffer as much as Peter does. Compare what's happened to Peter over the years to what's happened to Miles:
>Realized that he's the very reason Uncle Ben is dead, since he let the burglar who killed him escape
>Constantly shit on by the Daily Bugle for years, ruining his reputation
>Had to also live with the fact that he's partly responsible for Gwen Stacy's death as well
>Slowly watched his best friend, Harry Osborn, slowly go insane as the Goblin and his last act being saving him
>Was made constantly paranoid because of Venom being able to stalk him at every point in his life
>Was nearly broken by Norman into becoming his successor
>Has to live with the fact that he'himself is responsible for Carnage being as powerful as he is
>Has witnessed Aunt May die around two times now, we may as well go for a third round with her getting cancer recently
>Everything that happens during the Gauntlet
>Gets his body stolen by Doctor Octopus and dies in the mad scientist's body
>Watched his other best friend, Flash Thompson, die in front of him with no way to help him.
Compare that to Miles, and you'll realize he hasn't gone through shit compared to Peter. He's expected to be the next Spider-Man, yet he hasn't endured as much as him. Hasn't suffered as much. He needs re-education.

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>invicibility powers

Which is useless because spider-man got spidersense. And miles isn't good at sneaking.

>Venom explosion

Which tired him out.

Miles is the comic version of a black kid adopted by white rich parents.

Have sex

you forgot
>defeats Hydra and Doom solo

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Glad you guys don't write, half of Yea Forums's ideas are worse than bendis brain farts

best thing would've been to age him more naturally, the fucker had over ten years worth of books but he never left high school. If he had to died it would've been better if he actually died in grad school or something

No but not because of Bendis, but the editorial pushing the last years of the Ultimate Universe to include Bendis' books in stupid events every six months.
This is what actually killed Miles, besides Bendis' awful pacing. For every 6 issues of worthwhile storytelling about Miles, what was going to be next is completely cut in favor of a crossover with Ultimates, and the direction of the comic has to start from square one again.
It happened like 4 times. Jesus Christ.

>Killed Ultimate Rhino with venom blast
>Killed his uncle with venom blast "but not really"

He's not.

nah i'm with you op spidernigga got affirmative action powers

>Characterization is bad!
kys

Nothing to defend. Comic Miles sucks. The only times he's been done well are in the movie and the video game, and both of those times played him as Pete's sidekick.

>Which tired him out.
Well that totally makes the aoe OHKO that fucks up gods and demons not op. He gets a bit sleepy, totally balanced.

This, honestly.

What if I rightfully hate niggers, AND Miles is a bad character for many reasons in addition to being a nigger?

Fucking this.

>. I dont want to feel morally superior, since I know I am.
Stopped reading here. Jesus christ.

>Hell, if society wasn't full of people like you maybe he wouldn't have needed to be a legacy character at all.
Static isn't a legacy character, just FYI. It can be done, if one were to try.

>Racism began existing in roughly 2016, when people heard about non-whites existing in media and became so furious they elected a fascist billionaire over it.
I know you're trying to be sardonic, but what the fuck are you trying to say here? Nobody said racism was a new topic. But are you trying to deny the recent trend in these kinds of conversations coming up?

Ultimate Peter literally knocked him the fuck out with one punch though.

Reminder that literally 2/3rds of miles numbering has literally nothing to do with him and was just a way to bump his numbering to trick people into thinking the book is worth anything. Because of that he has the highest numbering of any black hero in marvel

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