JSA Storytime: Gen13

The most common use in comics is just to seed future storylines and tie the episodic issues together. Eg a mystery villain who seems to be behind everything.

"Who is Sensor Girl?" was a good one, because it didn't take forever, it made sense, and we got a lot of insight into how previous events changed Jeckie

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Raab might be the worst writer that DC tried to push in the late 1990s

Plot ahead enough to be able to resolve a mystery before you stick one in. Add clues that a reasonable reader could figure out. Don't pull a random solution out of your ass at the end. Don't keep adding more and more little threads to the mystery, instead let it resolve itself. If you want to keep going, leave a loose end, but stop making a shit load of loose ends.
An okay example would be Cornell's Saucer Country. The entire original series was filled with mysteries, but the abrupt cancellation meant not all of them would be solved. He wrapped all but one plot thread up, and left that as a possible teaser. Years later he got to continue that series, and COMPLETELY FUCKED IT UP.
Nick Spencer in Morning Glories just kept adding mystery upon mystery, and the entire story will never be resolved now.
Ennis recently dropped the ball with A Walk Through Hell. That series (ended today) never lived up to how good that first issue was.

Before it all got fucked up, Robinson E2 had a lot of mysteries but they were definitely driving the plot....sigh...

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this is just not even good

his Kyle GL sucked

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Hey OP.
This glorious new era of Bubblegen13 Crisis seems intriguing.

I caught a bit of one of the Quatermass movies yesterday and realized I was misreading it as Quartermass.

I've burnt out on comics again and would probably not even come to this board any more if not for OP's threads.

He did two random Wondy fill-in issues that were all about Aquaman, and Wondy's urge to kill everything that moves

Okay, I can't not read that name as Mojito.

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>help drive the plot so that finding clues to it happens naturally in its course
So the mystery itself has to be a driving force, you would say? Not that there just is a mystery, but that the fact there's a secret to be discovered is what makes things happen.

Indeed, the potential identities of Sensor Girl and Citizen V drove character actions and created drama.

>makes sense
I was going to ask what sounds like a stupid question. That being "Is it more important for the answer to make sense, or be interesting?". I mean, I guess the answer is 'both, duh', but still.

I really want the behind the scenes story about what went on with E-2. The books direction went through seismic shifts every time a new creative team showed up,which was every several months.

Literally some of the worst issues of Wondie's entire post-Crisis series, christ

If it's interesting enough it can create its own sort of logic even if the fine details don't line up exactly. It's when something drags that you start nitpicking.

For instance, I can actually imagine a more gonzo and aggressive take on the Man-eaters plot that doesn't leave me so much room to stop and say "But if you put that in the water...this makes no fucking sense".

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Jesus, is Rainmaker made of spaghetti?

Kyle always sucked

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The most common example of a comic mystery just "not making sense" is why the fuck would Jean Loring be carrying around a flamethrower when she went to "scare" Sue?
There's no reasonable answer for that.

From what we know, it was Robinson's book, then editorial decided to do a spinoff book about Thomas Wayne Batman by Taylor, Robinson went apeshit and quit, so DC had to last minute have Taylor redevelop his spinoff into a full run.

I think the weekly was also conceptualized prior to that and they threw a hodgepodge of writers at it who just kept doing whatever for awhile, then they realized it was getting too fucked up and nobody was even reading it for the self-harm factor anymore, so tried a soft reboot that didn't work, before finally hiring Abnett on to euthanize the book peacefully, of which IMO he did such a fantastic job I wish the book had kept going with his status quo.

I may be alone in this, really, but that last issue... Kinda felt like the fuckin' JSA again, to me.

I can't not read that one panel as Abnett being all meta "You guys really fucked this up, you realize that, right?"

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IIRC it was also pretty clear that after he got to do his thing and congratulate himself on his greatness by making Val-Zod, Taylor eventually got asked to do things he didn't want to do either so he walked

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So basically, an audience is willing to forgive mild inconsistencies so long as the journey was well done, and the answer is satisfying.

>Diana and Arthur team up to save the children
>Cool!
>Diana is inexplicably blood thirsty and at one point accuses Arthur, of all people, of being in cahoots with the kidnappers
The actual fuck?

Also how did she somehow manage to not leave a single fucking molecule behind that any of literally the UNIVERSE'S greatest detectives and scientists could find despite it being a crime of passion and somehow leaving fucking footprints on her goddamn brain.

It fails Mystery Writing 101.

god this issue is boring

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>Fucking boogers

Man, I am so happy New52 drove me away, sparing me the pain of getting invested in Earth 2.

the investment really ended up hurting

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Which is astonishing, given that Meltzer was a novelist aluming it into comics.

Like, fuck. Imagine pulling that kind of nonsense in a non-picture book.

It does seem a wordy installment, for the goofy anime designs.

It's all talk, no monster fightan'.

The amount of people who dont seem to comprehend that Hickman is bringing every mutant back to life is astonishing

That's probably too many mutants.

Also, a poor long term storytelling choice, if Krakoa doesn't get killed off early into his run.

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god Raab sucks
mehh

FINAL SOLUTION?

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I’m very interested in that cause Power of 10 is supposed to be a future book but it doesn’t look like the cast is people we know so it’s not immortality.

I do love the just flagrant “fuck you these dead characters are back” like the line up of Omega Mutants who are allied when them. I wanna see how they convinced like Vulcan

eat a pile of dicks

>god this issue is boring
Which makes no sense. It's Gen-13 in a desperate anime pastiche due to the anime boom of the early to mid 2000s. How is this so dull?

>"I brought other weapons too, just in case."
I fucking love that line, because it implies that Jean was expecting the possibility of fighting some manner of creatures in Sue's head.

... Which, frankly, would've been a much better story. Instead of that "scare heroes back to their loved ones" crap, she was actually trying to fight some nebulous evil entity inside Sue's head, but fucked up and panicked.

Actually I'd say he's one of the more useful party members, particularly in act 3, since he has a variety of decent healing and buff spells that no other character has.

Raab is one of the worst Big 2 writers ever

>she was actually trying to fight some nebulous evil entity inside Sue's head, but fucked up and panicked.

PArralax!

>YEAH JUST LET THE MONSTER WHO LIKELY KILLED A LOT OF PEOPLE AND DEFINITELY CAUSE MILLIONS IN DAMAGED INFRASTRUCTURE ALONE, IT WAS JUST A MISUNDERTANDING!
I fucking hate this cliche

>Imagine pulling that kind of nonsense in a non-picture book.
Dan Brown's whole career? I remember the twist villain of one book being a character who was posthumous, and that was a really shitty twist because of it.
"This character is dead, NO WAIT THEY AREN'T HAHA"

The idea is that the X-line will be big enough that most of them will finally get some time to shine and the only OCs Hickman seems to be introducing are in the future

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Honestly that just turns me off even more. Unless they make the whole last arc noncanon it takes away any semblance of the little stakes the x-men had in the first place.

>I wanna see how they convinced like Vulcan

I wanna see how they came to the thought that anyone, in universe or out, would want Vulcan alive again.

Seriously, fuck Vulcan. Worst X-Man.

cute cover

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YOure correct which makes him getting dig up more bizarre and fun

>HEY READERS, LOOK, IT'S POKEMON. YOU KIDS LIKE THE POKEMANS, RIGHT?
Like I said, desperate. In hindsight, the attempts of various media to cash in on the anime craze was fucking hilarious. Even as a kid, I thought it was cloying and cynical. I love it.

Pokemon has considerably outlasted Raab's career

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Jesus Christ. Kill it! That is not a cute face!

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PAD's Young Justice had a bunch of stories like this. A few years ago I'd probably find them cringe inducing, but there's a sort of quaintness to it now, probably just nostalgia for this type of "no, it's the children who are wrong" stuff though

Pokemon's longevity is pretty nuts.
I'm surprised it's big mobile thing was Go instead of some Gotta Gacha Them All money printer, like the cars game, or the entire Japanese mobile gaming market.

I guess not enough otaku want to fuck Pokemon.

He’s writing on one of the Berlanti shows now

Robinson is a one-trick pony and a tired hack

>Pokemon has considerably outlasted Raab's career
True. Though not for much longer if Game Freak doesn't get its shit together.

Getting old gives one an odd appreciation for dumb shit sometimes.

Which one? He's got a lot of them.

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>Though not for much longer if Game Freak doesn't get its shit together.

Is SWORD and SHIELD not getting well received?
I haven't had one of those games since the first.

PAD is a great example of some real hit/miss on "the children" sort of stuff

there's stuff that points that way, and we'll never know about what E2 would have actually been, but the month-to-month on it when it dropped was a lot of fun.

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look up Dex-it

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Did that plot with D go anywhere? I wasn't really paying attention

Long story short, you literally cannot get all pokemon in Sword and Shield. Game Freak's incompetence has resulted in only like two third of the current roster to be in the game. And they have further stated that it is unlikely that there will ever be another title that has all pokemon in it.

So basically, you literally cannot catch em all. This has understandably caused... controversy, let's say.

nope

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They're cutting a bunch of Pokemon from the latest games because they don't want to animate the nearly 1000 different ones even though they're literally reusing models and animations from the last 3DS games, however this has opened the door on discussing other lazy shit this game is endemic of, like an ugly open world that looks like an N64 game, T-posing Pokemon and underwhelming animations that look worse than the ones you'd find on Pokemon Stadium over 20 years ago, and the very few advancements the series has made over the years and how outdated it is compared to other RPGs, even other monster-catching games.

I'm not talking about Earth 2, I'm talking about Robinson's career in general. People need to stop giving him a pass for Starman and The Golden Age, the guy hasn't written anything worthwhile in decades.

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Nympho Nurse > Nightmare Nurse
What the fuck was JMD thinking

lol, is this cheesecake is good or poor taste?

Nice ass this comic is still pretty cringy tho.

He writes old guys good

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It really is unfortunate to look at how Square went to such efforts to make the 3D models and animations in Dragon Quest XI looks just like the 2D games and fully capture the charm of those original sprites, yet Pokemon looks so... sterile in comparison.

Yeah ok maybe someday ill stop talking about drahon quest xi but it's not today

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I gotta say, there is a touch of entitlement to that complaint. Like, goddamn, putting 1000 different creature models into the game would be all kinds of work, so I'm not surprised they are giving up on including every single one of them.

And hey, any of them they don't include in the initial release could be sucker-milking DLC.

Not to mention the removal of fun and interesting gameplay features like Z-moves and Mega Evolutions in favor of the pointless gimmick that is Gigamax.

>how outdated it is compared to other RPGs, even other monster-catching games.
I used to be really into Digimon. Seems like it may be time to get back on that bandwagon. Especially since it appears to have its shit a bit more together.

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Did Benes write this page?

odds are good

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It was an inevitability, and it's impressive they managed to maintain legacy support for so long. It's just the specific circumstances around this time make them look very bad.

If they were giving each monster animations with as much character as the Stadium games, I think people would come around, but when it still looks so amateur and half-assed, it makes them look pretty bad.

Cyber Sluts is fucking awesome though it is still janky.
I like that the game has a certain almost Shin Megami Tensei flavoring to it.

Okay, now THAT'S a more valid list of complaints.
Although I'd thought the Pokefandom was cool with having one of the original iterative sequel series.

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Do Cait and Roxy not remember Grunge turning into a xenomorph, or is that just Raab?

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See, I get where you're coming from, but at the same time, nobody really asked for over a thousand pokemon. Yes, we all expected it would eventually happen, but that's only because Game Freak/Nintendo insisted on making more and more despite both the hardware not being up to it, and the devs having little to no experience on console development. They walked into a high heat area without the Varia Suit, and got surprised when their energy started rapidly depleting.

Also, when you make a game about collecting things, don't tell your audience that they can no longer collect all the things. Holy shit.

Caitlyn, beating up Wilford Brimley is mean.

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Raab is incompetent

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yes, this is a Benes comic

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So, when do Roxy and Caitlyn get their power upgrades?

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Digimon has been getting some lowkey cool games lately

Caitlyn's still recovering from her boob job replacement last arc

Maybe this is so dull because it's just a bunch of anime stereotypes slapped together with only the shallowest concept of what this shit even is.

... I really need to rewatch Slayers sometime. Could do with a dose of my girl Lina.

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this arc sucks

we'll finish it tomorrow

thanks for reading

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Thanks, have a goodnight stay cool my friend

Thanks OP, don't blame you for bailing on this rough shit

Thanks for posting as always, Storyteller.

>this arc sucks
Yeah, it's way less funny than I was hoping for.

Agreed, but thanks for running anyway.

I wish Adam Warren we're writing this arc. He's a seen who DELIVERS.

Benes is the worst Gen13 writer besides Claremont

I meant Raab

This is certainly the fullest shit we've read so far, despite the wacky premise.

Dullest.

He is actually shaking the status quo and for what I've read, I think x-fags are afraid of that. Also charts, lots of charts.

I find it funny that we're back to
>mutants will outnumber humans in 20 years
again, especially since that's what caused editorial to do Decmination shortly after Moz quit.
Nothing ever makes sense with the sliding timescale.
The O5 are around 28 years old, mutants were reduced to 198 members X number of years ago, and now they'll outnumber humans in 20 years.
And that's with the terrigan poisoning them

I find the whole ''mutants will outnumber humans in 20 years'' implausible too. Also, I think House of M wasn't mentioned in PoX.

Yeah I’ll buy it for the premise of the book but like I don’t think the numbers work. Though actually with Marvel timeline kids born around when the FF went into space would be becoming teens now...

But I wonder if we’ll see this is just stage point 1 for Xavier or something, like the scale alone of something like that.

And I have a new theory that Krakoa is gonna fight that space sentinel

Nothing in Marvel's timeline makes sense anymore, and it just gets more broken every time they do a big event.
Hell, the Runaways relaunch established that everything that happened from 2006 (Civil War) to when that volume launched in 2017 happened in 1.5 years (2 minus the timeskip after Secret Wars).

Reading Post-Crisis DC comics are funny. It seemed like every book was running in real time until around zero hour happened, and that's when they switched to "x happened around a year ago" or "Y happened a few months ago"

Kree Skrull War happened in like 2006 now

I love the fucked up Marvel time

so I was wrong about this being better than anything else today but that's all Raab's fault and that Marvels story being so sweet

>Go Go Go! Gaijin 13!
This is the stupidest catchphrase and I love it.

oh man, if you had just storytimed one more issue...