Was it ever explained how tony built a satellite that contained lethal drones that granted him the ability to target anyone and pick off whoever he arbitrarily deemed a threat?
Is that not basically the same type of thing Cap n crew literally fought to stop shield/hydra from having with project insight?
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He own Stark Industries. He built it without telling anybody.
It's just shit writing, same as him kidnapping a kid to fight as a child soldier for absolutely no reason. Don't expect anything more from these films.
stark industries stopped making weapons in iron man 1 though. tony said it himself
Then how does he finance himself? No way can he afford to make and repair over 50 suits worth billions with only his money from pre iron man 1
Tony also called himself a nuclear deterrent in the Senate hearing in IM2, then later chewed fury out for having a nuclear deterrent in Avengers. Basically he is full of shit
Far From Home is a stupid movie, that's all, one of the worst movies in the MCU
Was it ever explained how Wanda purposely sent an enraged and mindfucked Hulk into a populated african to go on a rampage and only got off with a slap on the wrist?
Every signle thing Stark has built since then has been used as weapons
if it has such glaringly obvious issues then why does it get so much praise? I've even seen people here argue thats it's one of if not the best spiderman film to date. They can't all be baiting
In a cave with a box of scraps.
They should've brought that up in civil war rather than the crossbones bomb in another african city
Was it ever explained how Clint spent 5 yrs absolutely wiping out people off the map in the most hate fueld and brutal way a former assassin could after deeming them unfit to live himself....and then was welcomed warmly by Cap and the gang like a friend returned home without so much as a "dude what the fuck"?
They're called the Avengers. You think they're morally superior? They'll wipe out alien races if it means Earth survives. Also this outfit's mask sucks. Where's the deadpool eyes?
>They can't all be baiting
Wanna bet?
Stark went into the Clean Energy business among other things.
But only by Stark until he tried to trust Peter with it
>Kidnapping
He literally told him to fuck off, the suit was for him to be able to return to Earth, not to go with him to the space
He already was in Team Cap, also he only killed criminals and gangs
>He literally told him to fuck off
He's talking about civil war where Tony blackmailed Peter to join him.
That's easy. SHIELD, which has been shown in universe to be morally bankrupt and without any form of oversight even after all the HYDRA members were removed, covered for him, like how they have constantly covered for him since the first film. Howard Stark essentially created an international intelligence agency answerable only to him and a select few of his friends that exists to be used against the enemies of his company and family.
The correct answer is that outside a few examples, who are perfectly willing to personally overlook things for expediency, the morality of the MCU is pretty fucking terrible and even without the supervillains and alien invasions is horrifying place to live in if you give a single shit about personal rights or civil liberties.
He clearly wasn't talking about infinty war you dumbass
Why doesn't Tony (or now Peter) just use the nanoparticles from the suit to swarm his opponents' insides and kill them by surgically cutting out their organs?
>He literally told him to fuck off, the suit was for him to be able to return to Earth, not to go with him to the space
Tony tracked spiderman down and was fully aware that he was only fifteen (15) years old and blackmailed him into fighting a national and global hero across the globe without explaining anything to him. Then 6 months later lectures him on responsibility.
What's worse is that this dickhead version of peter is such a stupid cuck that he'll gladly do what MR STARK tells him too without putting any thought into what's going on around him
>Was it ever explained how tony built a satellite that contained lethal drones that granted him the ability to target anyone and pick off whoever he arbitrarily deemed a threat?
...With his billions of dollars?
In a weird way, out of S.H.I.E.L.D., the U.S. Government, NATO, etc...I'd still probably trust Tony with that kind of power before I'd trust any of those, and yes, I am saying that even considering the Ultron scenario and his meltdown aimed at Bucky. Tony makes mistakes, but out of all of the aforementioned parties, is the least likely to use that power against political targets and/or in nationalistic self-interest. He's not perfect, but generally speaking when it comes to MCU Stark, if he's deemed it a target, it's probably something that poses an actual threat to peace, worldwide or otherwise, and he'd sooner make use of it to neutralize threats with as little collateral damage as practicality would allow, maybe even non-lethally, if the he can manage it and the target isn't necessarily guilty of anything outright heinous.
The militaries and governments of the world may work towards one peaceful goal, but on a more honest level, they tend to be run by big egos with little conscience, and conflicts of interest are not only common; they're part of the nature of politics, the military, and the military industrial complex. Stark, for all his grandiose, ego-driven shenanigans, actually seems to have a great level of understanding of what protecting the world and maintaining world peace actually entails on a purely logical and practical level, and while that understanding and resulting paranoia led to some of his worst mistakes, he's also the one that learned the most from those mistakes, ironically making him more hardened and wise as a protector and better suited to protecting the world in an overarching, big-picture sense ("earth's best defender" as Steve Rogers puts it.)
He's not the ideal option, but he's the best option. Just my two cents.
He built the propulsion system for the Hydra ships in Winter Soldier.
Guns for me, not for thee
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That's because he got sucked into the engines and almost died with everyone else onboard in The Avengers. It was just a better system for the carriers to fly better. He never knew Hydra's involvement in blasting a few million people.
How did he blackmail him again?
Cap and Tony vouched for her. Those two have serious political clout, apparently.
Even if it wasn't for Hydra they'd still be used as weapons by SHIELD. Tony didn't want to make more weapons, not stop giving weapons to anyone but the US of A.
>still be used as weapons by SHIELD
>A flight engine is a weapon
Surely Tony isnt so morally bankrupt as to see project insight and its public reception (by virtue of black widow leaking it) then turn around and build it himself in secret. Plus, isn't shield effectively gone after tws?
By threatening to tell May about his Spider-man shenanigans.
...Which isn't so much blackmail as it is the responsible thing to do as an adult in a position of authority. Still, Spider-man wanted in on the hero-game and Stark gave him an in and a possible mentor-ship on the condition that he help out with the Cap situation, so I'm still confused as to where the "blackmail" nonsense comes from.
Was it ever explained why Mysterio couldn't kill Spidey when he had hundreds of drones at his control?
Peter consistently asked him to stop bothering him and leave his house so Tony threatened to tell his secret identity to May forcing him to talk.
It's a flight engine on an aircraft carrier full of fighter jets and armed to the teeth
>Technically not a weapon!!
>Which isn't so much blackmail as it is the responsible thing to do as an adult in a position of authority.
Is literally blackmail
>Blackmail: the act of getting money from people or forcing them to do something by threatening to tell a secret of theirs or to harm them
No fool, a slap on the wrist from tony and cap specifically. That isnt something you let go
Anything goes as long Tony built it or is in charge. It's consistent with his character. In the court scene in IM2, it's argued that the suit is very clearly a dangerous weapon, but Tony argues back that it¨s a shield. This comes back later with Ultron.
Tony isn't a very morally sound character. His main motivators are fear and guilt, which causes him to go overboard with his "only I can protect earth" complex. .
What is weird though, is how in FFH Peter never stops and has a moment where he thinks "No one should have this sort of power, Tony was fucking bonkers for creating this."
So I guess Tony making green energy is a weapon now because some supervillian had to turn his lights on to build a new deathray?
Spidermam clearly got a huge amp/ speed buff retard.
They literally popped up with a helicarrier in AoU. Also the Black Widow leaks would reveal that Stark Enterprises' COO once traded high-end military equipment to a terrorist organization so they'd kill Stark and was in turn killed by Tony Stark.
It is when you purpose it to fuel a weapon. Tony didn't give anyone the way to build an arc reactor; only he can do it and he chooses what to use it for.
He didn't make it available to the public as clean energy either, probably because he knew people would power superweapons with it.
>His main motivators are fear and guilt, which causes him to go overboard with his "only I can protect earth" complex
To be fair, it didn't help that no one really wanted to listen either. It fueled his Cassandra's curse and doomsday prepping.
>Was it ever explained how tony built a satellite that contained lethal drones that granted him the ability to target anyone and pick off whoever he arbitrarily deemed a threat?
He's a billionaire super genius. What more explanation do you need?
How does that matter if hundreds of drones are shooting at you at the same time? Think before you post you fucking mongoloid.
>I didn't watch the movie
>I was home schooled and my teacher was also my mother and my aunt.
All Tony's been doing with his reactors is use them to power weapons and the tower use to store a bunch of his weapons and deliver some of them as high velocity projectiles.
>Still, Spider-man wanted in on the hero-game
At this point he was already a small time hero and was making a name for himself in his city.
In that scene he says no to Tony several times because obviously he can't just ditch his life and go to Germany to fight someone. Honestly it a pretty poor way to introduce spiderman turning Tony into an idiot that needless endangers children
He had a cave. He had a box of scraps. Nobody could stop him. He was the engineer.
After being hit by a train?
And yet he was fast enough to avoid being hit. Its not that hard of a feat to grasp you worthless retard. He got amped for this movie. This is the answer. Swallow it
You DARE question the Russos?
For shame.
They were too busy laughing at his fauxhawk and edgelord 'tude behind his back to take his actions seriously.
He was clearly dazed and still confused after being up and down all over mysterios illusions. And then mysterio surprised him again when he thought it was fury. So the train caught him off guard. By the end battle he had fully healed and was at peak performance. The crazier feat is avoiding getting tagged in the narrow hallway against 3 or so drones with his eyes closed. But he was finally relying on his spider sense there
Rhodey wasnt laughing at the crime scene. And steve sure as shit wouldnt laugh at all the slaughtering. Are you genuinely retarded? Or were you trying and failing to be funny?
>an idiot that needless endangers children
>Peter
>In danger
>Caught a SUV and stopped it from ramming into a bus in NY
>Caught Bucky's arm no problem
>Took down both Bucky and Falcon with ease
>Threw Cap around
>Helped push over giant Ant-man
Not to mention violating everyones minds on the team that not only lead to Hulk being sic'd on a full town of innocents but lead to Tony creating Ultron out of a PTSD episode. If it was me I'd be wary of letting a person like that on the team or even near me.
At any moment during that fight an accident could have happened you moron. Giant man could have seriously hurt him (he did in fact hurt him briefly). A stray rocket or explosion from rhodey or Clint or Sam. A stray beam from an unfocused vision (which literally ended up hurting someone even more protected than peter). Dont play stupid. Because he had abilities to hang with everyone there doesnt mean stark didnt needlessly put him in harms way
>At any moment during that fight an accident could have happened you moron.
So Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Wanda were not in any danger during that fight wearing nothing but plain clothes while you gotta be careful with "WATCH OUT, MAN WITH SUPER STRENGTH AND AGILITY! YOU MIGHT TRIP OVER SOMETHING OR GET HIT WITH A STRAY BEAM!" while he bench presses a semi truck
Was it ever explained how Hulk would happily and gladly murder (Doug and potentially countless others) combatants forced AGAINST THEIR WILL to fight him for the amusement of the crowd with Hulk cheering afterwards.. and yet Thor had no problems with this and is still regarded as a hero by the audience ,Fiege, ruffalo and everyone involved?
He has a huge company that for decades made and sold WMDs. This is literally the entire reason he's Iron Man.
Because he lost hard and wanted a safeguard for those important to him after infinity war
Everyone of the remaining ppl consisted of GROWN men and women who were highly trained, knew and understood the potential consequences of their actions, and made their own decision to be there. Are you some 13 yr old pajeet? What part of this shit are you struggling to understand? This isnt about peters power level you idiot. He wasnt fully clear on what was going on. He didnt understand the consequences of what he was brought into, and he was too young to be blackmailed and shipped across country to fight trained and men and women who could easily injure him if he got careless. The same way he got careless and got hit and hur by a falling Giant man backhand. What if he was hurt much worse? What if it was a stray bullet or explosion or infinty stone beam? Yea tony needlessly endangered that kid and no amount of you pointing out he can stop a car can change this fact.
>So Hawkeye, Black Widow, and Wanda were not in any danger during that fight
Sure they were, but they weren't 15 year olds who joined the battle because an adult they idolized threatened to jeopardize their privacy life and also fuck their aunt if they didn't.
You don't get to bitch about MCU Spidey not being comic accurate while also bitching that he's as young as he is in the comics.
They're aliens. Aliens don't matter.
>PLEASE WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN
You know how people can tell these shitposters are just reaching for the sake of being contrarian? This is a serious statement said on Yea Forums.
Literally nobody is bitching about comics accuracy. Dont be so obvious at moving goalposts. The point the original poster made (im the guy you replied to but i didnt start this convo chain) is that tony was wrong for bringing him. May or any other guardian wouldnt have consented no matter how much peter can bench.
but it’s just hanging out in low orbit and literally every country is constantly monitoring orbit in case some asshole builds weapons up there
Dude, they are all killers. Name one Avenger without blood on their hands.
>alien lives dont matter
Our Heroes ladies and gentlemen
He bribed every government on Earth to keep quiet with his big dick Gary Stu powers, now hush.
Oh yeah it's not the most common argument against MCU Spidey yeah right. At any rate you're still crying that Spider-Man is young which is just fucking stupid.
Spiderman...would have been hulk if not for gladiator shit. Id say antman but he killed yellowjacket... The Wasp isnt a killer. So yea
Wasp and Spiderman dont have blood on their hands. Well they do now cuz the killed aliens
They're really not. Skrulls were hanging out in orbit for decades, Fury is building S.W.O.R.D. in orbit, Hulkbuster armor was deployed from a satellite in orbit, etc.
Stay on topic or dont bother discussing newfag. We arent talking comics accuracy. Period. And we are bitching about starks recklessness more than anything. You know, the thread topic? Spiderman would find his way into fights regardless. Stop moving goalposts moron
Are you actually retarded. Seriously you might be. How can you equate grown adults choosing to fight in a politically sensitive battle with Tony “Do what I want” Stark essentially forcing a child to join in.
As for Spiderman not being endanger, all Tony knows is that Spiderman swings on webs and is strong enough to stop an suv he doesn’t know about spider sense or the healing factor or anything like that.
VISION (an unpredictable wmd) is on this battlefield and your saying peter isnt in danger? Spiderman had no purpose being at that airport
Purge the Xeno and Heretic, non-gross mutants are cool.
this motherfucker needs to play Gordon Freeman in a Half Life film. GABE!
you’d think that in a world constantly getting invaded with aliens somebody would look up once in a while
>Skrulls were hanging out in orbit for decades
Clearly undetectable retard
>Fury is building S.W.O.R.D. in orbit
Fury was also clearly not in orbit. He was on what looks like a giant citadel type starship. If you bothered to pay attention, you could clearly see tons of smaller spaceships coming and leaving the ship when the shot panned out. They are nowhere close to earth. Not to mention the visible star clouds in the background making it look even more like deep space.
What about the people killed in the destruction of Harlem or South Africa or any other off screen hulk rampage. Hulk is basically a nuke and would have killed many civilians but the movies nor the tv shows ever touch upon those things or the public reception of superheroes in their world
What are you smoking user? The topic of this thread is not comics accuracy, but MCU Tony making amoral choices that are presented as righteous within the narrative of these movies.
With a box of scraps, presumably.
>Don't worry guys, man with bow and kung fu chick are going to be ok, be careful around the kid that can throw cars and dodge bullets with his eyes closed.
Yeah it's weird. But I guess Hulk took off to space so no one cared.
I am on topic dumbfuck, I'm telling you why your point is stupid. Spider-Man is a kid, if you have a problem with him being young in the MCU then you aren't worth listening to.
Wanda never gets punished for the shit she pulls. That's basically a character trait.
Fucking bitch.
>forgetting Civil War just happened
So did Mysterio just have the same type of drones before to use for the projections or what? They were former Stark employees so I can see them having the same designs, but the movie seems to imply the drones they're using from Quentin getting the glasses onward are the satellite ones. But he was using some sort of drone before that to set up the illusions, right?
That's just how S.W.O.R.D. is, casual.
The point was tony stark was completely in the wrong for what he did to peter and yet he is idolised both by the audience and by peter himself. Fuck off, youve proven that your brain dead and should not be taken seriously at all
>I dont understand, you made a counterpoint? But... But I didn't say that, and you have to repeat what I say or you're off topic. You're not allowed to bring up your own arguments!
Based
your forgetting something very important.
tony stark is a good guy and can do no wrong /s
He had maybe six drones. All EDITH did was give him more of what he already had
Againt retard it isnt about the safety of the grown adults who knowingly made the choice to be there. It's about the grown adult out who coerced an underage child to wade into a battlefield with combatants who could easily hurt him if he got careless (which literally happened). It was irresponsible and reckless of tony
I know what your point was. Your point is fucking stupid. Either you just don't like Spider-Man in any forms or you're just a contrarian for the MCU. The things you're complaining about are core to every single iteration of Spider-Man ever, it's not just suddenly wrong when Stark is around when it happens.
The problem being discussed is tony dumbass. Stay on topic
That's because you're an audience member of the movies, you've watched him and presumably understand his intentions and failings and can relate to them to some extent.
To the average MCU citizen he's a way more dangerous Hughes/Gates/Zuckerberg/Musk than we've ever had irl, and nobody trusts these fucks to begin with.
they clearly werent in orbit if you payed attention moron
You're actually brain damaged if you don't see how it's on topic at this point.
>Tony is bad for this reason
>that reason is irrelevant for this reason
>UM NO ACTUALLY TONY IS BAD AND SAYING HE'S NOT IS OFF TOPIC
We are complaining about tonys wanton reckless behavior. Not spiderman being in fights, pay attention before commenting
They were.
Alright, here it is, breaking news: the MCU is not all jolly. I understand it's hard to understand with the PG-13 language and violence, but all of those fucks are grey morally.
And civil war happened partly as a response to aou, another instance of Tony building random wmd to soothe his paranoia which in that case ended with the destruction of a country. But when all is done he is allowed to go back to doing the same thing again
>Civil War and Infinity War recently happened
>tony probably wanted a plan in case Thanos came back
>once he found out they could bring everyone back he reprogrammed the satellite to fit his heir apparent
He also had all the access to the backdoor technology so he could do something like manipulate news, delete photos or videos of his drones being caught by someone, and kill anyone in the world with just a simple command.
If your point is that it is't a bad thing MCU Peter is young, I don¨t think anyone disagrees.
But Tony is still reckless for pressuring him into joining his battle
I won’t allow you to derail this thread further. Stop posting or there WILL be consequences
I know what the fuck you're complaining about you stupid fuck holy shit are you this unable to deal with any counterpoint at all?
>the movies nor the tv shows ever touch upon those things or the public reception of superheroes in their world
Except you know, Civil War. And Homecoming, from what I gather.
Never before have I witnessed such a glaring display of mental illness. You need help user.
It's not reckless for Spidey to be in combat unless you think he's always a bad character in all iterations. You just suddenly think it's bad so you can shit on MCU and Stark, it was never a problem before.
is that why the entire movie goes out of its way to show the giant tony stark circle jerk the world is having after his death, because they fear him.
>I don¨t think anyone disagrees.
Not him but you'd be wrong. It's been a pretty common complain that Peter should have been introduced as a 30 year old Chad with a supermodel wife.
What the hell is your counterpoint? All I've seen is you off-topic raging.
What satellite are we referring to exactly? I don't recall what we're talking about.
Why would you fear a dead guy.
If youre an idiot sure. But in reality those visible red star clouds clearly implied deep space. Save your headcanon
Because he leaves superweapons lying around and gives them to stupid kids
true that wasn't my point. I don't think the world would ever show that much praise for a Zuckerberg equivalent for anything
You can't possibly still legitimately think it's off topic to argue against what you're saying. Just because I bring up a new point against what you say doesn't make that new point off topic.
Who cares its irrelevant to the discussion
Why didn’t Mysterio just turn social media against Peter so he’d kill himself?
Know that it think about it it does seem a bit unethical. What if he kills a U.S. citizen?
Hey bud those sights are visible as soon as you leave the atmosphere.
Stark is a liar.
That's because people are idiots. Are you an idiot?
Imagine being this retarded. It was reckless to bring an underage child into a battle where he could get seriously hurt. Regardless of superpowers.
>you can't have this technology that would revolutionize life as we know and provide clean energy for future generations, you'll just use it to power superweapons!
>what are you going to do with it then, Tony?
>mostly use it to power superweapons
Tony's a right cunt when you get down to it. Plus IM2 flatout showed that the rest of the world wasn't very far behind Tony in regards to suits themselves and that there is nothing stopping someone else from building a microarc reactor at any time.
Logically, Hammer Industries would have the specifications of the arc reactor since they build a couple dozen drones powered by them, the Monacan government would have Vanko's arc reactor, and the US government would have the designs of the large-scale arc reactor Tony's was based on. And as shown in the first film you can build a functional, if crude, one from parts sourced from a couple of missiles using unsophisticated fabrication techniques. After ten years and a veritable arms race regarding it, there is zero reason why no one else has arc reactors or suit tech.
People are idiots who enjoy garbage.
Then don't bring it up.
>civil war
Yeah your sorta right there my bad I guess they just dont focus on that for long before the story changes to protecting Bucky
>homecoming
They dont really show public perception of heroes in this beyond the villains perspective and girls saying who they think is hotter plus a bunch of quips that reference avengers
Sorry maybe I am just being dumb
Why do you think its reckless for Stark to bring Spidey into combat? Is it because Spidey is young? Do you think maybe addressing Spideys age is a counterpoint in some way then?
I don’t think about it at all because it’s unrelated.
Repeating your previous statement is not a counterpoint.
>”And if someone tells you an all fruit diet isn’t good for your health tell them to go fuck themselves”
Holy shit you can not be this fucking dense.
He did advance technology to near alien sci-fi levels, saved the world a few times, and had a sweet Ironman suit that flew around and blasted aliens while being a billionaire rockstar that actually did save the entire universe. I'm sure he would be loved more than a nerd who made a website.
Yeah, the idea that one man could keep tech all to himself for years is just laughable, seeing as he’d have to patent it first (in great technical detail) in order to sell it to anyone
The thing is there's a limit to how interesting it is to explore the realistic ramifications of superheroes socially and geopolitically. And that shit got old by like 1993.
Granted the MCU is guilty of touching on the topics but not actually exploring them, having its cake and eating it too.
He doesn't sell it, that's the point.
...what do you think patents are? they’re not “here’s exactly how to build my shit” posted publicly
Hey bud, you were told to save your headcanon. There is more implication of it being a deep space skrull megaship with smaller skrull ships coming and going than anything else. There were no humans seen. There were only skrulls. They were uncloaked with dozens of ships coming and going. Fury would not cause a global freakout like this by chilling in orbit uncloaked. Nobody was talking about it in ffh. No kids. Nobody. They werent there. Logic dictates they weren't close to earth. Claiming its sword or whatver protection force is headcanon until its expanded on. Sorry
Stay on topic newfag
I don't think you lads understand how patents work. You patent shit (in great detail indeed) so that it's illegal for people to copy your shit and just sell it instead of you.
You can totally patent something and not sell it. It's true that over 10 (15) years someone would probably have come up with ann equivalency though.
Underrated.
It is not bad for Spidey to be in combat you dunce, but it is still a bad decision on Tony¨s part, to bringing a kid he knows little about to his grown-up battle under the nose of the kids legal guardian. It showcases how egotistical and reckless MCU Tony is.
There were many ways to involve Peter in the combat, but the writers chose to have Tony blackmail him into it. Peter was reluctant to go, Tony didn't give a shit, he wanted that Spider.boy on his team no matter the possible consequences or the fact that the kid said he couldn't.
Its not headcanon, in real live actual space you can see that stuff before you even get to the moon. This is fact. Cameras just have a hard line seeing it because the ship is bright, but astronauts report seeing it like that while in the ISS.
You brought it up retard. Nobody is discussing that
Can’t you also file it as a “trade secret” which is similar to a patent, but...secret?
Like Coca-Cola’s recipe. Sold worldwide but the formula is unknown.
Its headcanon that they are in orbit you worthless retard. Nice way to ignore the logical points made. Give it a rest, you have no points to make
Valkyrie canonically left Asgard to be a drunken slaver capturing people for a murderous megalomaniac so they could be forced into his bloodsports. She spends the entire movie telling Thor that she gives absolutely zero fucks that her entire civilization is being destroyed, then shows in time for the final battle having suddenly changed her personality, and five years later gets to be queen.
That's just who Spidey is. He's a fuckin Superhero. Do you think it's bad for Batman to have a Robin too? Or is it just suddenly a problem because its MCU?
>Plus IM2 flatout showed that the rest of the world wasn't very far behind Tony in regards to suits themselves
Only 1 guy was able to do it and he had a original arc reactor blueprint to help him out. Even if someone was able to build a IM1 suit, he would be hilariously outdated compared to something like Tony's nano tech
Trade secrets aren’t filed as anything, they’re just regular secrets with a business suit on
What if that’s just what he wants you to think
Nah its headcanon that they're in deep space. Theres no sign of it being far.
You mean besides the space stuff you can’t see from orbit?
Whether bruce wayne is a reckless asshole for endangering a kid is also a conversation that can be had. Regardless the discussion is on Tony's responsibility. Stay on topic
You'd think EDITH would at least have some sort of fail-safe, to stop her from targeting fucking children, or at least make it clear that labeling someone as a target means sending a death drone from space to execute them.
First the 'kill mode' now this. Does Tony get his jollies from the thought of Peter unwillingly murdering some mugger?
I bet it can also target kittens and puppies.
Tony built liquid metal armor, a living snarky kill bot, and a fucking time machine and you're questioning the satellite?
Learn to read and follow a reply chain, champ.
>Do you think it's bad for Batman to have a Robin too?
It absolutely shows how far off his rocker Batman is, and this is addressed several times in the comics themselves. That does not mean Robin is bad.
You can criticize choices made by characters and still enjoy them and the properties they're in.
Afaik none of his tech was available to the public.
Yeah tony might be loved for being an avenger but he did create ultron despite warnings which isnt exactly good optics. Besides the word should be circle jerking the avengers in general not iron man. Captain America was a hero across all generations and he never stopped helping people after the snap so I think he should have more recognition beyond a school montage shown as a gag
She loses her friend/lover, gets depressed, says "fuck everything" and Thor changes her mind into caring. It's a movie for children user, it's not hard.
Again retard there were no mentions of a massive alien space craft with small crafts coming and going in the news heavy Far from home just hanging out in orbit. Especially after half of the planet was wiped out by an alien and suddenly brought back. No child or adult mentioned it once. There was no worry. And fury would also not be so obvious to cause a panic after the thanos alien attack that just happened. It would not make sense. Not to mention the makers clearly ment for it look like deep space with those star clouds. Their intent was obvious. Meanwhile the only sign for it being in orbit is you wanting it there. Sorry. Headcanon
That's not how they work. They form pre-programmed structures only.
The reply chain is discussing tony. Stay on topic retard
Yeah I agree that could be boring especially for general audiences and I cant blame them for glossing over that stuff while trying to conclude The winter soldier story
Okay computer, please form a robo-glove inside someone’s chest
This is the post I replied to >it is't a bad thing MCU Peter is young, I don¨t think anyone disagrees.
>Besides the word should be circle jerking the avengers in general not iron man.
Well, they are happy that the Avengers saved half the universe but pretty bummed out that the most popular and favorite Avenger had to die and now the world is missing Ironman and have to rely on the B-team for any future help.
Less how, more why i think
You really dont understand counterpoints at all do you.
Having a few hundred killer drones at your disposal anywhere in the world is pretty handy for fighting large groups of baddies
Yea your reply to that post was
>It's been a pretty common complain that Peter should have been introduced as a 30 year old Chad with a supermodel wife.
Which I already to you was irrelevant as we arent talking about that. We are talking about the arrogantly reckless tony. To which you replied dont bring it up. But if you follow the chain, you brought it up moron. So again, follow the chain and stay on topic you retard
MCU fans don't care about trivial things like "stuff making sense"
Wasp may have killed people during that car chase in AntWasp.
I was arguing with a guy that said the opposite
Not that user, but again, what is your fucking counterpoint? Is Batman reckless for having a young boy sidekick? Yes. Was Tony reckless for blackmailing a teenager into fighting for him? Yes.
28 USC § 1498(a) would allow the government to use the arc reactor as long as they compensated Tony, and there are a couple statues that could come into play regarding national security. Furthermore, patents expire in 20 years without extension. Since Tony was using arc reactors to power buildings in IM1 and Avengers, he'd also need DoE certification and inspections on them. And since IM1 stated that Stane and Howard build the original arc reactor, and Howard died in 1991, it's entirely possible that the original arc reactor design is no longer covered under patents in the present MCU.
Filing something as a trade secret offers no protection against reverse engineering to duplicate creation unless it is patented.
I don't think you understand how words work.
If you talk about Peter and I answer about Peter, you can't say "I wasn't talking about Peter". Don't be a retard user, I understand it's your 1st day here but you can't win them all.
>To which you replied dont bring it up. But if you follow the chain, you brought it up moron. So again, follow the chain and stay on topic you retard
That wasn't me. I literally started the post you linked to with "not him". You learn to follow a reply chain and spew your pent up anger on someone else, boy.
No.
What Cap stopped in Winter Soldier were guns in the sky that could and would simultaneously take out scores of people all around the world.
Was he the most popular avenger? Other than peters stark wank I genuinely dont know, since Steve Rogers is shown a lot more often in mcu earth media plus he has done more good for the world:
>made a name for himself fighting real nazis rather than arming insurgents
>came back from the ice straight back to work
>was the leader of the avengers
>stopped a terror organisation from taking over the world with 2 friends and revealed their plot to the public
>lead the new avengers
>stood by his friend and what he believed in until the end and was proven right
>after the snap he never gave up helping people no matter how futile it seemed
As far as the public know captain America is dead as shown in the school montage but the world only cares about iron man for some reason
Well look at big city lawyer boy here!
If they only wanted to play king of the mountain against Tony, sure. The rest of the world doesn't get nanomachine suits.
user, it's a general audiences action-comedy.
Youre whole post is worthless. Contain your autism and stay on topic newfag. We are discussing Tony being reckless.
The point is they're fucking superheroes and that's just how to works and its stupid to complain about, obviously.
>that wasnt me
>implying the post you linked was me either
Imagine being this retarded. Moral of the story is dont drone off like an idiot talking about shit nobody else is and you wont have a probelm keeping up
>ou just suddenly think it's bad so you can shit on MCU and Stark, it was never a problem before.
Ignoring how the whole situation was bad writing as a result of Feige wanting to shove in Peter instead of making his introduction a solo movie it's a completely valid criticism against Tony and I'm saying this as some whose favourite character is him. I'm not saying it's a morally sound decision but the alternative to him doing nothing was Team Cap's death by firing squad or something worse by Ross. Tony believed the better option was the opportunity to non-lethally restrain them with Peter's skillset but that doesn't cancel out how he blackmailed him into doing it regardless of Peter's feat of strengths lessened the potential danger it put him in. It might've been the lesser of two evils but that still doesn't make it morally okay either.
True but it was (almost) abused in the winter soldier and was abused by mysterio in ffh, why would tony alllow the same mistakes to happen again, why take leaves out of hydras playbook and worse put it in the hands of a kid who doesny have the sense to not give it to a man he met 2 days prior, rather than giving it to pepper, rhodey, hulk, falcon or scarlet witch he can trust them all to use it wisely
Tony already had a cult of personality built around him as far back as IM2. Maybe if Age of Ultron wasn't actually "long weekend of Ultron sitting in the background doing very little" there might be more nuance to how the world behaves, but as it is Tony would logically be the most popular Avenger in-universe.
No mentions of a deep space station either. Do you not know what S.W.O.R.D. is?
This has to be bait. If so, congratulations you have fooled us all
Hammer was about 180 degrees away from working suits.
This was before cap was revived tho, at this time their other option for favourite hero was the hulk who I assume wasnt well liked
All they basically needed to say was, it was being developed and was only deployed as part of something in his will.
>Is that not basically the same type of thing Cap n crew literally fought to stop shield/hydra from having with project insight?
Are you forgetting that in this world the snap happened and Thanos literally wiped out half the universe? I think they have bigger worries than Hydra, which was also pretty much destroyed.
A LOT can happen in five years.
Why would any of the kids, adults, or news know about or mention a deep space station you idiot? The point is there were no signs it was in orbit. It was clearly uncloaked. And clearly alien and massive. With plenty of smaller ship traffic. If that was chilling in orbit it would be brought up. Not to mention cause a panic especially after how sensitive the state of earth is as its likely still recovering. And fury wouldnt be so broad. Again zero signs to it being in orbit with all that traffic in and out it was experiencing. And it being sword is more headcanon as it has yet to be called that or expanded upon. Not to mention it appears to purely be a skrull vessel with skrull business going on. And you have yet to provide any signs of it being in orbit outside of you wanting it to be sword. Try again. Do better this time
Fucking hell Lizzie's entire voice/face/body/existence is the single redeeming quality of age of ultron.
Not the guy you are replying to but if Tony needed to restrain team cap why didnt he just borrow peters webbing formula ( and the suit could have been a thank you at the end of the film) and apply it to his armour? He was able to make the stark Spiderman suit in at most a few days so its entirely reasonable he could add a web gun to his suit
>as it is Tony would logically be the most popular Avenger in-universe.
I always believed Steve would've been the most popular considering his war hero status in WW2 with Tony as a close second but that might've changed with Civil War.
Because it's like I said, bad writing. If Tony did that then they wouldn't be able to give Peter his big reveal in the costume or show him in action.
Even if they didnt go full age of ultron he still indirectly destroyed a country and made his fortune arming insurgents (not the ten rings specifically but insurgents generally)
Peter was the only person he could trust and felt smart enough to use his resources for good, sure Peter fucked up but he at least tried to fix his mistakes
>scarlet witch he can trust them all to use it wisely
>Give the person that fucked up his head and helped in the creation of Ultron the power of all his weapons after he's dead
>Was it ever explained how Wanda purposely sent an enraged and mindfucked Hulk into a populated african
Was the African Hulk went into cute?
Captain America stayed hidden and out of sight for most of his Avengers career so the only chance you have to see him in during some battle where I'm sure you're like "we gotta get the fuck outta here!"
>Tony would rather give his mass-surveillance drone-army AI glasses to a kid he met some years ago, than his own wife, CEO of his company and partner for 10+ years.
This is retarded as he could trust Bruce or Rhodey to keep an eye on it. Even Pepper. Not a 17 yr old kid. its shit writing plain and simple
How on earth can he trust a child he met a few years ago more than his highly capable wife or long time best friend or even his more recent science buddy best friend
Dumb post
He has school videos of him in his avengers suit meaning he film them around that time, hes not exactly afraid of the spotlight hes just not addicted to it like iron man
Ok, I liked FFH, but this is a major problem.
I don't see Pepper wanting to and having the ability to design new Ironman suits or wanting to go out and be the new Ironman after having her husband die and trying to take care of Stark industries and their daughter
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Giving it to Pepper would mean Gwynth Paltow would have to make more appearances in movies which she doesn't want. She doesn't even care or know what films she's acting in as is.
What does that have to do with not giving Edith to a responsible and capable adult and instead to a teenager in high school retard?
Only six drones seems like too little considering just missing one projector out of hundreds was enough to create a notable flaw in the illusion.
Peter had no desire to be 'the next' Iron Man either, and Tony knew it. Pepper is however an experienced adult who has already had to deal with the consequences of his creations for years.
Edith was made up for the film you dummy. It had no prior establishments. There didnt need to be an "it" to give in the script if it didnt make sense
Well, that's what he did in the movie
He did come off as kinda a dork in those videos and obviously the kids were barely paying attention to him.
>only chance you have to see him in during some battle where I'm sure you're like "we gotta get the fuck outta here!"
I'm sure they'd have the same kind of civilians who run headlong to the epicenter of danger for footage and clout just like we do in real life.
>Holy shit, have you seen his new outfit, he's got ANOTHER black one?
>Oh sweet, where did he get it
>Oh, in a wardrobe of one of the cultists he brutally slaughtered
>Ah. Should we stop him?
>Not yet, he's about to find the drug gang working out the back of a Hot Topic!
I get the feeling Cap in this universe is regarded as a bit corny by contemporary young people. Someone you've read a lot about in history books and who also shows up in lame PSA videos, whereas Tony is this cool guy who made massive changes to their current world and put himself in the spotlight with reckless, self-sacrificing behavior, Stark expo, charity events, birthday meet & greets with Hydra agents kids etc.
I wonder if his company also makes tech for common/rich people based on what he uses himself , phones, holo-screens, voice assistants and so on.
Speaking of Pepper, sis he not able to just shut down these drones? you think he'd trust his wife with at least some sort of protocol to undo the launch in case anything wrong happened.
Wasp totally killed some people during the car chase. I refuse to believe she didn't operate with lethal intent there.
>implying the North Koreans, Chinese or Russians give two shits about American patents, let alone terrorists.
You don't need 1 suit rivaling IM. You just need the weapons and armor. Not everything needs to be 1 to 1 to be a threat.
No, Tony is just a fucking moron.
I doubt stark tech is available to the public or we would have seen it by now, this could have been referenced in a Netflix show or in the spidey films.
When cap was at the museum that Asian kid seemed surprised and happy to see him. Plus Im willing to bet law enforcement prefer a by the books guy like cap over stark. Either way it doesnt matter I just think stark wank got out of hand after a while and hes gets viewed as a god when he works alongside arguable more heroic people
>Tony
>make any of his tech available to the people
Considering Parker, a low income high schooler, was dumpster diving for vcrs and pre CD computers, I'm gonna with No.
>I wonder if his company also makes tech for common/rich people based on what he uses himself , phones, holo-screens, voice assistants and so on.
Well, there was BARF and him giving out those no catch grants in CACW but we never actually see if he does more than that.
>I just think stark wank got out of hand after a while and hes gets viewed as a god when he works alongside arguable more heroic people
Well you also have a fair amount of villains who are mainly motivated by hate for Stark and arguing that he¨s less of a hero than the public thinks, the mom in CW shitting on him, street art in Sokovia depicting Ion Man as a symbol of war and capitalism.
It obviously wouldn't be free or cheap tech.
Tony Stark is a fucking monster that just happened to have his conscience jump-started once he left his sheltered life. He could have done so much to actually better the lives of people (and to be fair, they could throw a soft retcon in a movie to say he did) but he chose to keep making more and more deadly weapons, but kept them for himself instead of selling them.
Yes and? My point was that 10 years after Iron Man's debut, and the average person's still living with contemporary tech, when the entire technology scene would have blown up at the revelation of something like Iron Man, or Thor's hammer, or Wakanda.
IM suprised they didnt think of this from the start though. If Tony doesnt sell weapons anymore how can he afford his army of suits which he casually destroys and then remakes for a reason I will never understand
The people writing these films clearly dont think about that level of detail and its only doing to get worse as they feel less obligated to put out decent films
>e could have done so much to actually better the lives of people (and to be fair, they could throw a soft retcon in a movie to say he did)
Aren't there already throw-away lines about how Stark industries is making advances in the medical industry and producing green energy? It just isn't shown.
Stark's rich enough that his wealth generates wealth, even after he shifted his business. I've no doubt he was still selling plenty of non-weapon tech to the general public as well.
Plus we know he still took SHIELD projects since he made those Repulsors for the INSITE Helicarriers in TWS.
They're really that stupid
In the first movie he talks about Baby bottles and brick and mortar. At least a few other times I'm sure. But not only are we not shown these sort of advances, we only see him building new weapons. The public only perceives him as Iron Man, not as Stark the philanthropist, so that shows how active he is one field versus the other.
This is really one of those times though where i'd take this back if they took the time to explain in future movies that Starktech IS everywhere, and how it IS better than what we have in the Real World.
We've already had half the population cease to exist then re-exist. This is no longer a universe that needs to be constrained by that sort of "realism."
>but he chose to keep making more and more deadly weapons, but kept them for himself instead of selling them.
How would selling arc reactors, IM suits, and super drones actually help anyone? Tony has already done enough damage for just 1 guy.
He also probably got a sweet deal on Ironman merch
My point was that it didn't really stop other people from developing their own weapons, or prevent tragedies from happen, or prevent psychos from hijacking his weapons in at least 2 different movies.
Can't Edith have multiple authorized users?
Hadn't even thought of that, but especially with how much actual merch the Avengers are shown to have in-universe, thats got to be true.
>We've already had half the population cease to exist then re-exist. This is no longer a universe that needs to be constrained by that sort of "realism."
This isn't an entirely new concept even for comics. People like Reed could make many diseases and illnesses like cancer entirely absolete but they're still a thing in-universe.
Yeah I know, and it infuriates me in comics too. The MCU takes a fresh step in so many things, so it frustrates me that this isn't one of them. The MCU Earth, especially after the Snap, should look very alien to us, the audience.
No he stopped selling weapons. Complete different
He's got other stuff he makes instead of just weapons
>People like Reed could make many diseases and illnesses like cancer entirely absolete but they're still a thing in-universe
I think the writing problem you run into is when you want a character to suffer from a disease or injury and you got a guy going "They can't suffer from that! Can't the super scientist character just science something up to fix it instantly?" Then you have to invent some new thing like "MEGA CANCER"
Well Superior Iron Man sort of touched on that subject when Tony refined Extremis and made it sellable to the public so people could have human perfection. The issue is that they'd get addicted to it and go through withdrawal if they didn't renew their subscription or make their payment on time.
stop picking on Iron Manlet
tiny stank DID nothing wrong
I don't know for other reasons, but in comic Reed normally doesn't interfere with more mundane things as he wants humanity to develop at its own pace, and not become over reliant on him (most of the stuff he invents aren't even fathomable by average geniuses). Its a cop out, but at least its a reason
>Nitpicking
So we all agree that it was amazing, nice.
I remember an user saying a decade or so ago that Reed was directly threatened by Celestials to not advance Earth tech too much or else they'd kill everyone. I don't have the panel, but it would explain why he never shares quite easily.
The other main explanation is that he can't trust us with anything he makes because he knows all of the ways we'd immediately turn even his most mundane inventions into a WMD as has actually happened on multiple occasions.
EG. Terraformer to cure hunger in Africa? Steal that in order to nuke cities.
"4" patch? Turn it into an encrypted storage system for EVIL.
somebody had to be able to stop batman from taking over japan
This after 1/2 the population got wiped I bet the world's governments (well what was left at least) were lined up at Tony's door begging him to do anything . Look at the knee jerk reactions we have when a few people die now imagine that reaction if billions died
The safest hands are still our own.
t. Steve
well at least that's better than Wakanda keeping the cure for all cancers secret cause they are racist xenophobes
reminder if she had just stayed with Vision like she was fucking told instead of leaving him defenseless to go help out in the Wakanda fight Thanos wouldn't have gotten all the stones
He brought him to detain Cap and other avengers (aka good guys), not risk his life against fucking super villains. Neither side was trying to seriously kill each other. Holy shit, how are you so people so retarded.
So...almost fifty minutes later and NO ONE else was curious to see what this faggot's "consequences" were gonna be?
Wow, you guys are fucking lame.
I seem to recall a lot of explosions, flying cars and pieces of airplanes being a part of that fight.
But sure, no one could've gotten accidentally injured.
Why would Edith accept a command like "kill spider-man" "or kill civilians"
He also stole city contracts do got paid to clean his own messes
It is when the person in question is an incredibly powerful enhanced individual, and has changed sides to fight alongside you. What are they supposed to say "Hey Wanda, thanks for helping us defeat Ultron and everything, but since you were a bad guy, and worked with him first, so now you're going to jail!" Yeah, that's definitely the approach you take with a young woman with powerful volatile abilities, who already made fools of the Avengers once, who just lost her brother, so might be feeling a little raw, and who already has a couple reasons to resent you. The Director's commentary on Civil War already confirmed that Tony and Steve prefer to think about Wanda a just a "kid" to sort of downplay how uneasy she makes them.
Imagine giving a fuck about Africans!
The whole of the fight scene in Civil War was them goofing around and quipping. It turned comically serious as soon as Rhodey got hurt, like one of the kids fighting got poked in the eye with a stick and everybody suddenly realised they’re gonna have to call an adult and they’re in trouble.
Civil War was fucking stupid, featuring such out of character moments as ‘Cap knows exactly that Bucky killed the Starks and just didn’t say anything’ and ‘Tony recruits random kids to trash an airport with him’ and ‘Wanda puts Vision through the floor ten seconds after being happy hanging out with him cooking/knowing she was safer hiding out in the compound despite her annoyance because Hawkeye said so’. I have no idea why people hype it so much.
>Is that not basically the same type of thing Cap n crew literally fought to stop shield/hydra from having with project insight?
tony's whole deal is "It's ok if i do it"
i'm annoyed that it goes against iron man 3 where he stopped being so paranoid.
spiderman was involved in mysterios -apparent-death
He stop being paranoid but he kept prepping for Thanos. He knew he was coming and probably thought the drones would help.
There's no denying Tony was in the wrong for forcing a kid he found online to join him in fighting the avengers in Germany especially by threatening him. That battle could and did get very dangerous, remember when Cap dropped plane equipment on Peter without knowing his strength? Or when Peter was taken out of the fight by a single swat from Giant-Man? Beyond briefly taking Cap's shielding and webbing Giant-Man's legs, he serves no purpose in the battle, the only tactical use he has is his webshooters.
The film (and mcu spiderman in general) would be vastly improved if he just asked to borrow Peters web fluid formula to restrain Team Cap and gifted Peter the Stark suit as a reward for the help (despite Cap and Bucky escaping).
Honestly it's just retardation on the writers part.
What kind of name is Even. Dead. I'm. The. Hero?
Why would he trust Peter more than his own family?
I thought Wanda was in her 20s in AoU, not really a "Kid". But either way she should still face repurcussions for her actions or at least show that she feels remorse for playing an important role in the destruction of her home country. Her character always seemed sort of undeveloped in that sense
>I have no idea why people hype it so much
Unironically because of the Marvel logo. If WB put this turd out it would be torn apart by general audiences or just ignored
Civil war was a butchered adaption of the event of the same name. It wants to be about the Hero Registration Act/Sokovia Accords but then completely switches to the Winter Solider plotline. When it clearly should have just been the latter. Like you said everyone acts out of character just so they can get specific fights to happen and shoehorn as many heroes into the airport mess, which also recieves mass praise.
The whole film seems to be fan service to those that wanted to see Cap and Iron Man fight and an answer to BvS
Sorta offtopic but they really missed a sweet moment by not including the Proton Cannon in any of the films. Infinity War and Endgame were perfect moments to see it appear and I was kinda bummed that it wasnt in the films, oh well.
>I thought Wanda was in her 20s in AoU, not really a "Kid".
She's not, and you're right. The Word of God explanation for why they called her one is to sort of downplay how unnerved they are by her
>But either way she should still face repercussions for her actions
I don't think you understood what I wrote at ll.
>would have been hulk if not for gladiator shit.
Hulk totally killed people in his rampages
So? Tony is dead, the IM1 suit is good enough to fight off alien invaders.
She's also responsible for Tony finishing Ultron.
>a suit of armor around the world
Do the wailing screams of the damned count as clean energy? It's free bone chilling cold with zero emissions.
>Neither side was trying to seriously kill each other
No, but did you watch the movie? The fight escalated. Vision accidentally crippled Rhodey
>Like you said everyone acts out of character just so they can get specific fights to happen
So like the comic then? Don¨t pretend the comic isn't a massive turd. The movie is an improvement, at least Cap and Tony aren't trying to fucking kill each other over politics.
jesus what a bootlicker
Tony is the real vilain of the MCU
Except for the part where he saved half of the universe.
Nah. He's made mistakes in life but that hardly makes him a villain.
Nope, and it never needs to be explained
I hate how cinema sins has ruined modern movie critique
how do you figure? Thanos would have showed up and BTFO everyone anyway. At most you add one step of him having to use the reality and space stones to find all the particles of the mind stone before using the time stone to reassemble it.
Spider-Man was gleefully impaling aliens in Endgame so yeah he's a murderer too
outriders aren't sentient, and thank you for spelling Spider-Man correctly
spiderman killed mysterio
Tony lies.
Given that EDITH was able to hack all the phones, there's probably some control there.
Dude it was a roflmao joke just turn your brain your off your off your brain joke roflmao dude
Mysterio killed himself tho. He ordered the drones to shoot even though he was in the sight-line.
Also, only a pleb believes he's actually dead.
Except for all that lethal force that got thrown around, including Vision using a beam powerful enough to cripple War Machine's armor, thus crippling the man himself.
The only person to feel sorry for fighting so intensely was Ant-man, who "thought it was a water truck."
Tony creating an army of drones controlled by a surveillance Ai that can also hack and control people's electronic devices, manipulate mass media and kill anyone the owner desires with a single voice command, and no one in-universe acknowledging how fucked up that is, isn't just a nitpick.
He'd make a great supervillain... or a one-man RTS faction
Not to mention he gifted that AI to a 16 year old without making 100% sure the kid knew the potential lethal outcome of targeting anyone with it.
Mb add an extra note:
>Don't target anyone you don¨t want dead ;)
The thing that makes him seem villainous is that he doesnt seem to face repercussions from his actions. Im still mad he didnt go to prison over the events of aou instead he quips before heading home in his Audi acting like a hero after just barely cleaning up his own mess
Some things can go unexplained and thats fine, this would be among that if the winter soldier didnt make a point of saying this type of surveillance and power is wrong and should not exist let alone in the hands of one man.
Terrible, terrible writing. Tony would not do this. The only justification would be he built it during the 5 year Snapped period when he was at his most paranoid. But even that is sloppy considering Tony received pretty much "enlightenment" during that period thanks to his family and didn't think to dismantle it at some point. Giving it to a 15 year old Peter Parker is so absolutely unbelievably retarded and gives the impression he made it and set it up before the snap.
I haven't seen FFH so maybe there's some sort of sensible justification for this but really sounds like garbage writing derived from their absolute need to make Tony relevant and related to every problem.
Yes, but he felt really guilty about it in the next movie :
Ant-Man is a cool guy, he gets carried away when he fights but he is still nice.
Tony creating such a thing, even before the snap, I can see. He's already done something similar with the Iron Legion and Ultron. He just really likes having.. control.
Giving it to Peter instead of Rhodey, Pepper, fucking anyone who isn't an insecure teenager, is where it really becomes bonkers in terms of what the character was thinking.
so Tony can deploy lethal drones at a drop of a dime with his special glasses that he's specifically wearing during Infinity War... why didn't he use it against Thanos' boys. isn't the whole reason why he made it is because he's a paranoid fuck about aliens same reason Ultron happened? who even wrote FFH why did they do this.
The idea itself is not bad since he has been hinted at being ok with squashing rights in favour of safeguarding, it becomes terrible when no characters in the story even question the morality of it.
Peter almost drone strikes a kid but instead of thinking “no man should have this power its too dangerous” or “why in the fuck would tony give me this when just last year i wasnt even allowed to fight the vulture or head to space” he thinks “wow I should give this to that guy I just met” This goes far beyond stupidity and enters a new frontier of bad writing for mcu
>so Tony can deploy lethal drones at a drop of a dime with his special glasses that he's specifically wearing during Infinity War... why didn't he use it against Thanos' boys
What the hell. Didn't even think about that.
Yeah and the lesson Tony took from Ultron is:
>We need to be put in check! Whatever form that takes, I'm game. If we can't accept limitations, if we're boundary-less, we're no better than the bad guys.
It's absolutely unbelievable that Tony would set this up after signing the Accords. It's a spit in the face to character continuity. The only justification would be if he built it after the snap, but during that period instead of doubling down on his worst qualities he elevated himself.
Honestly I feel just as stupid for not noticing the same glasses in iw , but yeah wtf would they do to Thanos or an outrider when 100 of them cant kill Spiderman
These glasses and the things they can do don¨t seem much like a deterrent to Thanos or other big alien threats. They can hack phones and other electronics, create illusions, invade people's privacy by giving the wearer personal information and access to their social media accounts. The drones can kill loads of people and target individuals + level cities to the ground, but they don¨t seem capable of stopping massive alien army.
Then why do they exist? There must be a reason
it's a literal plot device so FFH conflict can happen
>Tony threatened to tell his secret identity to May
Tony spent a lot of time with May, none of it was talking. Happy got sloppy seconds (or thirds of Uncle Ben existed)
I have the feeling the drones won't even be relevant in any of the following phases. It'll just be something everyone forgets about or if they really bring it back it won't have much screen time or plot relevancy in a battle.
A common issue with programming is the coders forgetting that the end user won't think the same way they do and intrinsically know what things mean.
yeah but when you're handing deadly weapons off to underage kids you should probably be a little bit mindful..? I mean Tony's not a complete retard right?
This is the same guy who put a instant kill mode in Peter's suit during Homecoming. It may be bad writing but it's consistent.
Fuck why do I even bother with comics?
only because Tony is 2000000000x more retarded and flanderized in Spider-Man flicks
Fuck this is unforgivable. Why would May be so chatty with men like stark and be dating happy, she only just lost her husband wtf
Tony didn't build it for underage kids, he built it for Tony, and having a failsafe would make it harder to murder kids for trying to date his daughter.
I'm not disagreeing. But if you want to take what said into account the character has been getting flanderized since Avengers 1.
Ben was dead for 6+ years by the time of Far From Home.
FIVE YEAR GAP, REMEMBER.
Maybe tony fell into addiction off screen and its reflected in his shitty choices like kidnapping a child and giving him a deadly suit and then giving him the ability to kill anyone on earth without any explanation
>She was flirting with Tony 5 months after Ben died
>Tony was making disgusting sexual comments about her to her nephew 6 months after Ben died
>she was flirting with larb man and having sexual comments made about her by their neighbors 6 months after bens death
she is dusted by thanos so experienced none of the 5 year time gap
>she is dating her nephews boss, around a year (for her) after her husband died
I know she is not 60 in this version but I find it weird how she quick she has a new man if her relationship with Ben was anything like we expect
There's no way to defend the Hulk thing though. Whereas the bomb was where she was at least trying to do something right.
tiny stank the absolute worst and good thing that he is dead.
You're wrong. Spider-Man killed Mysterio. I saw it on the news.
No, it was rebuilt from the ground up after TWS and appeared in AoU
Can¨t believe he would use Iron Man's tech to murder a fellow superhero. Tony should never have trusted him.
The news said that he was evil all along. And after everything Mysterio did to save us from those creatures that popped out of nowhere. RIP Mysterio.
Johannesburg is kind of shit
Didn't Spider-Man tell Edith to shut them all down? Or to "execute them."
She ended in a underwater illegal prison with a shock collar, the fuck are you talking about
He really is, fucker is responsible for so much grief and inspired so many of MCU's villains it's almost comical
>What kind of name is Even. Dead. I'm. The. Hero?
The name you give when you're still miliking a in-universe dead cow, Starkwank is not over, bois. Any other character better suck his dead balls or Gtfo!!!
>tfw you notice Ultron did nothing wrong
She got caged for the whole Accords and airport debacle, it had nothing to with what she did in AOU.
Pic related isn't from THAT art I'm thinking about, isn't it
And unlike Tony, she did these things with malice and to deliberately hurt people.
>He just really likes having.. control
>having.. control
>typing '...'
>a hot chick vs. some darkies
I mean, i'm betting the governments of the world allowed him to build it during the blip because there would be peak paranoia over alien invasions happening.
Well, Happy of all people flat out tells that "Tony was a disaster"
Any company with a lot of miracle tech creates villains as explained here
I assume that's the shitty writing people are pointing out.
How many of these villains are actually his fault though? Other than Wanda and Ultron (some might argue Beck) Tony did not do anything to them to justify the shit they pull.
>Stane
Wanted his company and was an evil powerhungry dick.
>Vanko
Buttmad Howard took credit for stuff they invented together.
>Mandarin
Buttmad because Tony stood him up on New Year's eve.
>Vulture
Buttmad that Tony was cleaning up his own messes
Was there ever a scene where Tony said "If you din't fight Captain America I'll tell May your identiy" or are you just butthurt the universe doesn't revolve arounf your spider husbando?
Yet an old man construction worker with a 9mm is meant to make you shit your pants in the first movie. Fucking garbage.
But the tws and aou are set a year apart. You can’t rebuild Shield from scratch in a year can you?
No. Anons who need more fuel to prove how bad of a man Tony is like to blow this scene way out of proportion. Tony does not threaten to tell Aunt May Peter is Spider-Man, he says "Better tell Aunt Hottie I'm taking you on a field trip." and Peter webs his hand and asks him not to.
Tony does not threaten or bribe him, though he does completely ignores Peter¨s excuses for not being able to go. May is the one who asks if the grant includes money.
Yes, Tony was still reckless for bringing a kid to a grown up fight, but he didn't fucking kidnap or threaten him. He didn't have to. .
Yes, but Obviously not that explicitly.
It takes place about half way through Captain America: Civil War when Peter comes home to find Tony chatting to his Aunt. Tony talks about Peter winning an internship (which is a lie) and Tony and Peter leave to discuss matters in Peters bedroom. He asks peter to come and do a job from him in Germany to which Peter continually refuses stating things like homework and his life and May. Tony then mentions something about telling Aunt May his secret while attempting to leave. As his hand reaches the doorknob Peter says “Don’t tell Aunt May” and webs him to the doorknob. Then RDJ quips about getting the webbing off.
Assuming your referring to vulture, yeah it’s really bad. Vulture doesn’t even have any weapons on his suit beyond talons but for some reason Tony decides Peter can’t fight him because he’s not ready.
Tony then goes on to organise an FBI sting without telling Peter and then screams at him like a psychopath for interrupting it.
This is why so many people hated hc. Who the hell is Tony to tell peter who he can and can’t save and can and can’t fight. The vulture was selling weapons in his neighbourhood so he attempted to end it. When he tried to tell Happy and Stark he got shut down and treated like an idiot (which he is really), they then neglect to inform him that they are actually looking into it.
See he does not say he will tell Aunt May about Spider-Man, he says he will tell Aunt May Peter is coming with him for a field trip while attempting to leave.
Though, that line could easily be interpreted as Tony threatening to tell May Peter is coming with him on a field trip for superhero/Spider-Man related reasons, and Peter's reaction backs that up. Why would Peter be worried about Tony telling May he was going on a normal field trip?
He doesnt actually say he’ll tell her his secret, he says he’ll go tell her there off on a trip to Germany. Why Peter would be scared of her knowing he is going abroad is beyond me but it does come across as Tony forcing Peter to join him, while withholding any information on what he will actually be doing in Germany, which is pretty sketchy.
>Who the hell is Tony to tell peter who he can and can’t save and can and can’t fight.
Tony isn't technically stopping him from fighting crime or whoever he wants, but the unsaid "deal" surrounding the suit is that Peter does what Tony says and he gets to keep it + Tony will keep "sponsoring" him.
Nah. Peter could have thrown him through his windshield no problem if the gun was all he had to worry about. But there is no way that he is doing anything to his date's dad while parked in front of the school.
The gun, if anything, just emphasized that he meant what he said.