Can someone explain to me why Yea Forums hates the new spiderman so much?

Spidey himself is fine, his entire supporting cast is different. MILF Aunt May has no concern for his safety and just wants him to promote her charity. Uncle Ben may as well never have existed and Tony took his place. Flash is in no way convincing as an all-American jock bully. MJ is about the opposite personality from Mary Jane Watson, but her presence pretty much ensures we will never see the real Mary Jane Watson. Peter has never worked for J. Jonah Jameson and likely will never considering he's demonizing him on his show. J. Jonah Jameson is also likely to never show his noble side now as they probably don't want to humanize an Alex Jones type. Peter has no secret identity any more. No Gwen Stacy. No Black Cat. No Norman Osborne. No Harry Osborne. Pete's new best friend is some knockoff from Miles. Vulture is nothing like in the comics. His suit is high-tech and made by other people, first designed by Tony, and then with features picked by him but still designed by some Stark tech suit making machine. Need I go on?

I take that back the kid's just got a big head.

I would prefer a movie about Spider-Man aka Peter Parker, not Iron Boy cleaning up after Tony Stark. And I just don't like the supporting cast but maybe I'm just jaded

Yeah Aunt May's a piece of shit.

They aren’t bad movies they just don’t understand Spider-Man as a character. I honestly can’t even be bothered explaining this anymore. I’ve been in so many of these threads and written huge essays about everything they got wrong. It doesn’t make a difference, we still get this thread every week. I’m done spoon feeding you.

>strip naked and put on this costume you don't want Peter, and don't lock the door
>oh okay abloobloobloo
>hey Peter, you didn't want to go fight baddies, so I endangered all your friends and the woman you love to force your hand
>oh okay I guess I'll just have to accept that abloobloobloo
>I'll never be like Stark so I'll just give his gift to me to a guy I've known for like a day abloobloobloo
Why was Peter such a sniveling little piece of shit in this movie?

Better get used to the MCU wank in Marvel's Spider-Man movies. It's a tactic to keep Sony from being able to use anything Marvel makes for the series. That's also why MJ is not Mary Jane and why Aunt May is young. If Sony takes Spider-man away from Marvel, then they cannot use anything Marvel made for the series.

>they just don’t understand Spider-Man as a character
Neither do 87% of the writers, except for who is the only person to truly understand the character (except for you of course)

Jamenson in the video game had the same role, and he had points where he made valid points that seemed to give Spider-Man a dose of humble pie.

>they just don’t understand Spider-Man as a character.

The supreme meme of Yea Forums.

I think somebody said it best like this.
It's not a bad film series but we want to watch Spider-Man not Iron Boy

I believe they mention that Peter used to work for him when he still ran the Bugle.

While I don't like how they made him Iron Man Jr. I still feel like they made his character distinct enough from Goofball/manchild characterization thats befallen Starlord, Ant-man, Thor, and even Hulk to an extent.

Actually the basics are pretty simple and have been gotten right in many comic runs as well as the Raimi films, the PS4 game and at least 3 of the animated series. Sorry but the MCU version jusy noticeably fucked it up.

I still think the amazing spiderman films were the worst, but the MCU spiderman is the middle ground between amazing and the raimi films.
I cannot stand MJ being emo wannabe. Fuck off with this "haha I like depressing shit, lemme shock you 24/7 to ruin the mood" punch line. it isnt funny. but she matters so little, she may as well just be a check on the list.
I thought mysterio's bad guy speech dragged on a bit, but his main scenes were overall good, especially the mind fuck scenes.
I actually like tom holland as an actor, but its the way hes written and directed that I don't like. hes an absolute dork as peter, and that's a good thing, but hes still a dork as spiderman because the writers gave him dorky dialogue.

The thing I feel hurts MCU spidey the most is the lack of motive. We are just expected to know peter is a good guy, its not demonstrated well.
I thought his response was weak when stark asked him what his motivation was in civil war. nowadays its just, "well shit, iron man died, someone has to do this dirty job". There's no stakes for nu-peter.
Even the intro to spiderverse with Peter B. Parker really nailed why peter forces himself to be spiderman, and it was established effortlessly.

>we'll never get Agent Venom.
And thats a good thing
unfortunately, venom is too fucking popular and we're getting agent venom in some sort of way. venom is just a giant black alien moster suit, it doesn't matter if flash is a 6'6" chad or a 5'0" call center indian

And Into the Spiderverse

it's a really nice movie, not a masterpiece to tear your vests, but it's better than a lot of other marvel films. most of /co controversies are not even about the Movies, but they simply hate that Spider-man was made a protégé of Tony Stark, one thing that is very much appreciated by most of the new fandom, especially by the younger ones. Of course /co is butthurt because they don't want to accept the passage of time and don't want new fans to grow up with a Spider-man different from the one they knew.

>we
We're not "we" anymore. This board died a long time ago(this whole site as well). Nu Yea Forums loves mcu, this Spider-Bitch, Miles Morales and others exemples i dont even want to evoke the name.

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And yet you still alive.

Ive never lived.

I wish you, as a person, died

And i wish you get away from here, tourist.

>they just don’t understand Spider-Man as a character.
They do, you're just a huge faggot

Hey, Yea Forumsnrad Johnson here just to explain a few things
I may or may not have said a few things while drunk and high, and those may or may not reflect my opinion, but one thing I can tell you for sure, buddy.
Spider-Twink has got some ass

this tbqhwyf

It’s the Yea Forums invader marvel cycle
>this time, this time is when they finally go broke from going woke
Then it makes a billion easy. In order to beg people not to see it They cry about how it’s actually bad for reasons they made up and that they’re not just salty the mouse keeps giving it to them. Then the next time the mouse announces the next woke marvel adaptation they swear that audiences have wisened up after all the other woke movies and THIS time they’ll go broke. Rinse and repeat with every marvel movie since homecoming black washed MJ.

>Can someone explain to me why Yea Forums hates the new spiderman so much?

It's not spider-man.

They don't, you are just a huge faggot.

Retard.

Don't lie man, you know you're telling the deep naked truth when you're flying like a kite or under the table. Can't trust you a damn when you're on two feet

it's popular and new, thus can't be a cult classic that is cherished by the few with tastes that are unpopular and old and discovered by a generation that didn't know it

>Acts like a purist
>Doesn't realize Spidey met most of his Supporting cast in college
Like pottery.

Honestly I just dislike it for the same reason I dislike most MCU movies, it's just a medicore movie that gets so bogged down in the rest of the MCU continuity and bs that it never gets a chance to be it's own movie, and Spidey suffers from this too, he's not allowed to be Peter Parker aka Spider-man, he has to be the next biggest thing in the MCU, heir to Ironmans place as the biggest hero or whatever, it's just not Spiderman

People are mainly butthurt about Spider-man being so closely tied to Iron Man and constantly jerking off over him, but idk, it makes sense within the movies universe. And I guess MJ not being MJ.

Far from Home is a good Spiderman film.
But it's not a good film.
In my opinion, people are trying to find flaws in it as a Spiderman story, to explain why it's a movie that doesn't sit well once it's over. At the end of the day, Spiderman isn't a checklist you have to go over, ensuring you get all the bulletpoints right, Spiderman is a vessel for stories that remind us what it means to be a good person, to be human. Pretty visuals and a pretty suit cannot carry a story on their own.

>HE'S NOT SPIDER-MAN

He is and there is nothing you can do about.

That is easy

>Doesnt run on suffering, run on fanboy fume instead
>No Unca Bon
>Super advanced suit right off the bat
>Minimal use of Spidey sense, opt for some kind of poorman's Friday
>Be so much of a sheep he will beat the shit out of Cap just because tony told him to
>Keep mooching shit off other people
>Spiderman is all about responsibility and secret indentity
>This nigger keeps unmasking himself and get discovered in the most retarded way possible
>Already gotten exposed
>His rival / bully changed from an alpha as fuck jock into some retarded fat Muhamad for some reason
>Doesnt have that loser / loner vibe

And personal take but

>Shitty looking suit(s), both design and CGI wise

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>But it's not a good film.

it is a tv episode, like every Marvel films, but with the intention of making that a path of growth, it makes sense. Originally he does not stop a thief because he says that it is not his job. he refuse responsibility. In FFH he rejects the responsibilities of glasses, also saying that it is not his job.

One of his friends is definitely destined to die in the next movie. The lost of innocence and the full awareness of his role

>This nigger keeps unmasking himself and get discovered in the most retarded way possible

Unfair, it's Nick / talos who practically orders him to take off his mask in front of Mysterio.

>why Yea Forums
I like it.

You can't just throw themes at a wall and expect them to stick. Again, movies have to be nuanced and subtle.

The glasses obviously represent responsibility yes, but at the same time, it's something that Peter did not ask for, nor something that he needs. It's a burden that has been placed on him by someone who he cannot even complain to. In a way, he is being manipulated to do the bidding of others.
But in the Raimi trilogies, Spiderman willingly decides to take on the burden of the mask. It is something he could have originally not decided to do at all, and the world wouldn't have noticed, but at the same time, it is his responsibility as a human to do what is needed when it is asked of him. It is something you can connect with on a more human level, because it is something we encounter everyday, and more importantly something we can learn from. Rather than trying to connect with someone receiving a superweapon and not being up to the task of handling it.
This is the key difference between good storytelling, and bad.

> but at the same time, it's something that Peter did not ask for, nor something that he needs. It's a burden that has been placed on him by someone who he cannot even complain to. In a way, he is being manipulated to do the bidding of others.

And stopping the thief was something he had asked for? You completely missed the point ,m8.

He isn't Spider-Man. He's Iron Boy and he always will be.

>It's not like he's different, he's the same old spiderman we all know and love.
Nice manipulation tactics, but they're completely bullshit and you know it.

>But in the Raimi trilogies,

You could use the comic as a reference and instead you use Raimi as a true Spider-man. I have a more than a problem about this.

>Explain why Yea Forums hates

An unanswerable question

yeah it's too different. it comes off as more of a derivative character like spider-gwen or miles than the original spider-man

It's not Disney

It's Yea Forums, no one here reads comics, just watch shitty movies. That's why people defend MCU Spider-Man in the first place.

And yet there is a scene where Peter clearly shows he cannot handle the responsibilities of the glasses, when he nearly kills one of his friends. It's something that validates his decision in giving away something he is not ready for.

I already pointed out that Far From Home makes for a good Spiderman.

>yeah it's too different
>than the original spider-man

This supposed Original Spider-man is just what you saw when you were a child. Raimi, 90s cartoon is different from the 1967s Pre-Secret war comics, Noir saga, Marvel knights (where in both was badass) was also different from Quesada Spider-man.

Surely it makes sense to use the Raimi films as reference as it shows the character can be done better in a film?

>>It's not like he's different, he's the same old spiderman we all know and love.
No he isnt.

Even if that were true, the real Spider-Man would tell Fury/ Talos to shut up, he's keeping the mask on.
I hate the costumes too. It takes a special kind of retarded to make the back spider on the Ditko suit white or add small metal bits to the elbows and knees for no reason.

>It's not like he's different, he's the same old spiderman we all know and love.
>Spidey himself is fine
>>I already pointed out that Far From Home makes for a good Spiderman.

Its amazing how easily you can tell when someone has never read a single spider-man comic in their entire life.

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Who is this 'real' Spider-man? MCU Spider.man is one out of many Spider-men. Several Spider-Men have been tricked or made to reveal their identity.

I like it

Yeah, so subtle , newfag.

He's not poor, so all the drama regarding financial security in the old comics is gone.
He's well liked by the majority of his classmates.
He's been Spider-Man for like a year and was already on the Avengers.

I like this Peter, and I think Far From Home was much better than I expected it to be. But still, there are definitely some differences, not all of them for the better.

It's so obvious you don't understand the character of Spider-Man.

Do you know what words mean or do you just use them because it sounds funny to you?

If you think that MCU Spider-Man is even remotely like comic book Spider-man you're a fucking retard.

Just admit you're wrong. Why is that so hard?

>Peter isn't relateable
Oh yeah, because being an awkward teen trying to confess your love isn't relateable at ALL, is it. Fucking retards, all of you.

I don't think Yea Forums dislikes Tom Holland as Spider-Man.
The complaint I mostly hear is Spider-Man is so deep under Iron Man's shadow. Vulture and Mysterio are both connected to Stark Industries. It makes the world feel smaller.
Like Joker killing Batman's parents- works from a structural screenwriting perspective- but it kinda sours on a long term narrative. Batman literally avenged his parents so it weakens his quest for vengeance motivation.

Spider-Man's villains should be focused on hating Spider-man

Again i reeiterate that you have never once in your life read a single spider-man comic book.

Tom Holland is a great casting choice but his Spider-Man is extremely mishandled by the writers and directors and is essentially just a random upbeat happy go lucky asshole in a Spider-Man cosplay.

>He's not poor, so all the drama regarding financial security in the old comics is gone.
I think this is a huge problem for sure. Raimi really pegged that so well and it made Toby so lovably pathetic.

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it's not the spidey we know and love. spidey hasn't been a teen/high school kid in decades.

>he's the same old spiderman we all know and love
That's a god damm lie and we know it

>happy go lucky asshole
>bueno.jpg

I've been told that the Ditko run on Spider-Man has a bit of an anger management problem, but what character traits do you think Peter is missing in the mcu?

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>opens closet
>only has one suit and the costume

Yea Forums's autistic.

Am I the only one who had a problem with whatever his name is, the guy who was trying to get with MJ? He's from their original class, but he's also stated to be one who wasn't snapped so he actually aged where they did not. If they're 16 he should be 21, and have graduated high school a long time ago. He shouldn't be there at all, and have continued schooling during the time between IW and Endgame, or even if he didn't he shouldn't be going to a class full of 16 year olds and hitting on one of them. The fact the movie ignores this was one of my bigger issues.

>doctorstrangecunnypost.png

iron man jr

they made so many goofball/manchild characters that they refused to do it to the one canonical goofball/manchild. at least until we get Bobby Drake

>No uncle ben (more in the sense that he might as well have not existed, Peter doesnt seem to ever give a shit about him or his death, and constantly slacks off responsibility which is a big fucking no no)
>no agency, everyone is always telling him what to do
>he's a sidekick, motivated by being a fanboy of superheroes instead of being motivated by guilt over his greed
>no money problems apparently
>given shit by other people all the time
>doesnt make his own shit besides web fluid, all his other inventions were stolen by fucking iron man
>literally has only ever won a single god damn fight in the entire fucking series so far, is CONSTANTLY losing. Not in a classic Spider-Man sense of being an underdog but winning out in the end, he is squarely getting his ass kicked all the time like an incompetent fucking retard
>doesnt seem to give a fuck about his secret identiy and by extension the safety of his friends and family, which is maybe the single actual consequence of note his actions bring about across all the MCU films he's been in, thats the only one, and its because he was a dumb fucking retard who gave some random guy he knew for 2 days satellite missile glasses
>No repressed mean streak to speak of, no anger, he's a puppy
>Always bowing down to authority when he crosses with them like a little bitch instead of telling them to fuck off

You could keep going on and on and on and on.

Completely ignoring his butchered supporting cast, focusing just on his personality alone, he's just an incompetent wimpy limp-wristed retarded puppy dog. He's stupid, genuinely a stupid person who only knows how to be awkwardly content and somewhat happy at all times with no other emotional state outside of two brief moments of distress.

Oh yeah and that. He doesnt even quip like Spider-Man, he's being made into an ass clown everyone mocks. He never once makes fun of someone.

>Noir Saga
Look faggot, I get that you're trying to make the point that there are different iterations of Spidey, but using an alternate universe that was always just supposed to be a 'what if' is retarded and actually goes against your point because it makes it look like you ran out of legitimate interpretations of the character.

Why not mention fucking 1602 Spidey while you're at it? That was pretty fucking different from the 90s cartoon.

>spiderman
>thru
holy shit, they really didn't have any quality control back then huh?

That was actually pretty common in early marvel because they were indecisive about the names. He was also called Peter Palmer a few times, its also why Bruce Banners full name is Robert Bruce Banner, because they kept switching between bruce and bob.

Thru was just a contraction to save on ink i think. Technically its an alternate, but still correct way to spell Through.

you just outed yourself as underagebanned kid

I feel like it would be better if we didn't have Sony's involvement.

I hate Far from Home because Tom Holland and Jake Gyllenhaal made me gay.

>he's a puppy
That about sums up my main problem with MCU Spider-Man. He's a little submissive bitch with no backbone.

They dropped the ball with the Far From Home concept. Spidey and NYC go hand in hand but he spent not even a year doing his thing in New York before they put him “outside of his comfort zone”. It was clear that him being a London was the MCU trying to go “oh we’re doing something new!” But it falls flat when he hasn’t had decent development in New York

>Raimi movies were under Sony
>Perfectly understood Spider-Man

>Spectacular cartoon was under Sony
>Perfectly understood Spider-Man

>MTV show was under Sony
>Perfectly understood Spider-Man

>Amazing, even if they sucked, were under Sony
>Perfectly understood Spider-Man

>Into The Spider-Verse was under Sony
>Perfectly understood Spider-Man

>Spider-Man PS4 was under Sony
>Perfectly understood Spider-Man

>MCU films are under Disney and fail to understand the character
>it'd be better if Sony wasnt involved

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Amazing Spider-Man was a bully and a fucking chad. Those movies did not get the character right at all.

Originally i had "satisfactorally" moreso with how he was handled in the second movie but i deleted it to fix a typo and overwrote it when copy pasting but im too lazy to fix it.

See

>I already pointed out that Far From Home makes for a good Spiderman.
lol

IK didn't really understand the agitation people had with Peter being tied to Stark like he is in the MCU, until I saw some picture with someone equating Stark watching Peter get dusted as being the same as losing a child.

I don't know why, but that just made me real mad.

rent free

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Why are you defending a corporation that produces mediocre products?

>Flash is in no way convincing as an all-American jock bully
That stereotype doesn't exist anymore
>No Gwen Stacy
Met in college
>No Black Cat
Met after college
>No Norman Osborne.
Met in college
>No Harry Osborne
Met in college
>Vulture is nothing like in the comics.
Good, vulture was never a threat and his costume was goofy as shit

>>That stereotype doesn't exist anymore
A) yes it does, B) who fucking cares? Just do it.

>Met in college
Who fucking cares, if you're going to start with 3 movies in highschool, just put them in highschool too.

You cant have your cake and eat it too asshole. Is it following the comics or is it not?

>Dickish popular athletic fag doesnt exist anymore

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>The argument is always "in my headcanon they might be gonna probably supposed to maybe roughly do this in the future"

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The supporting cast is stupid. The breakfast club vibe would have worked better with Miles and his supporting cast. This just comes off as a fanfic of peter parker as told by tumblr.

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>Who fucking cares

That's exactly the problem, everyone cares just about stupid details arbitrarily chosen without seeing the big picture.
Raimi, Garfield and Disney Spider-man are intentionally three different things, so that each of them is a unique experience. The Spider-man of comics will not change just because the MCU is done in a certain way.

Because he's a faggot.

>mysterio "dies"
>is t-this real?
>yeah bro all illusions are off lmao
>hookay but i'll just poke the body to be sure
>nah dude just let it be
>i should probably take the body back to fury
>peter please don't touch the not-illusion h-haha
That bothered me, and replacing blue with black on his suit.

It has him relying on the support of a billionaire and his friends while downplaying and erasing the influence of his ordinary mentors like Aunt May or Ben.
There's doing things differently and then there's completely removing the appeal and themes of the original text, in this case being underdog and everyman hero.

>But he learnt to be independent at the end of Homecoming!!
And then was right back to following Tony Stark round in his next appearance.
As long as Peter can act as the audience self-insert, in awe of all these cool superheroes and their toys (on sale now!), he'll never be independent.

He's not from their class, he was from several grades below them.

You just KNOW

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>it doesn't matter if flash is a 6'6" chad or a 5'0" call center indian
What does fucking matter is that the character shares nothing in common with Flash other than the name.

I don't dislike him, I'm just a little baffled by the choice to keep having field trips dragging side characters along.

His goofball like nature is hardly unique when every other major character in the mcu is a goofball/quipster now
>stark
>Bruce/hulk post aou
>quill and his entire team
>Scott Lang
>Thor post aou

>the lack of motive
That what happens when they try so hard to distance themselves from past iterations rather than developing on what they did. In avoiding repeating themselves they almost entirely erased bens character, no we dont need to see him die again but we need to see the impact of his life and the morals he instilled in Peter.
I personally dont mind the civil war scene but they completely backtrack on that scene in every appearance after that.

This is what I can’t stand. His supporting cast are obnoxious. It feels like a teen Disney special.

>It's not like he's different, he's the same old spiderman we all know and love.
Saying this shows you don't even have a surface-level understanding of Spider-Man, it actually blows my mind how many people are saying this despite the fact that it fails to have even the most basic aspects of what sets the character apart and made him famous.

Like with Tony Stark and other MCU characters, whatever, this is most peoples' first exposure to the characters. But with Spider-Man, it seemed to me like EVERYONE understood the basics of the character: he's down on his luck, he's a guy like you and me trying to do the right thing, doing the right thing often means he has to suffer for it.
And it's why everyone hated the ASM movies, critics all called it out for failing to get all the central elements of the character, yet no one even seems to care about Homecoming doing the same thing and having a movie with an out-of-place teen comedy setting where the character has a full-ride to a super science school, has no job or financial worries, has no problems balancing hero and home life because all his friends and family already know he's Spider-Man.

I don't even know who I'm more disappointed in: the filmmakers for failing to understand the character on such a basic level, or the masses for suddenly forgetting everything about why they loved the character. Like I actually cannot understand how the Marvel Studios people who have always at least pretended to have some more respect for the characters could even have come up with the ideas they did for this movie, on paper it reads like one of those bizarre pitches for comic movies that we narrowly avoided, like Jack Black Green Lantern, or Superman needing to have the eyes of a caged animal and fight Brainiac's gay robot sidekick

This
I was actually sort of on board with the iron man protege idea before i saw how they executed it, but the whole heir to stark thing is so retarded.
They always make it a point that Peter is really young (despite being nearly 18 pre snap) so why would tony stark entrust such a powerful weapon to him and not his wife or Rhodey (his fully capable best friend whose been with him from the beggining)

mysterio definitely tingled peter, right?

The jerking off stark thing makes some sense I agree but shouldnt it be Captain America? Peter has always valued his morals so surely he would gravitate towards someone like Steve rather than tony

They trying the "Spidey is the new Tony!!" shit and that just doesn't work. Let Peter be Peter , its CW all over again.

You forget that after 10 years of Disney Marvel films, audiences will lap up anything as long as there’s a Marvel logo in front of it. Just give them the same comedy beats and quips. Feige trained audiences well.

I just watched this a few hours ago, Spiderman unmasked himself the moment he gets into furys base and then theres a few shots of the characters in the base. If that is wrong then its weird that spiderman actively ignores furys call out of disrespect but will reveal his identity the moment he told to for no reason

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The 'real' Spider-Man isn't a wimpy preteen who sucks Stark cock. The core of the character is independence and responsibility.

>I just watched this a few hours ago,
>Spiderman unmasked himself the moment he gets into furys base and then theres a few shots of the characters in the base.

user, was it a camrip without audio?

Nick Fury literally orders him to take off his mask telling him that everyone there knows who he is. Which may suggest that Talos himself has revealed Peter's identity to Mysterio even before he even arrived.

I completely agree that ffh was better than expected but spidey being active for a year in his first movie is great since the audience is already familiar with him.
Whats terrible is despite this making Spiderman seem incompetent at his job. Hes gone toe to toe with the avengers but fails to websling for a very cheap laugh, cant stop a single van despite doing so in youtube footage, isnt intelligent enough to quickly traverse over a golf course (again for laughs) when he could sling shot or jump across

Joker killing batmans parents is a great comparison. They want to build a large universe yet keep making it smaller by making everything about stark post avengers

>>No repressed mean streak to speak of, no anger, he's a puppy
This is my main problem.

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>but he learnt to be independent at the end of homecoming!!
This was stupid in the first place. He had been Spider-Man for 6 months already and even gave stark the pseudo with great power line. Why would he suddenly revert to a dependent idiot all because of the suit. He literally cried when he had the suit taken away as if he doesnt have actual super powers the fucking moron. They even had the audacity to include a near recreation of the “raindrops keep falling on my head” scene from Spiderman 2 as if losing his gay tech suit means he no longer can/has to fight crime

the next spider-man movie should have an unskippable 20 minute segment where you have to watch MJ get herself into some retarded dangerous situation to get a story for the school newspaper only to have peter save her so that she can complain about how he doesn't need to treat her like she's made of glass.
they should do that every 10 minutes.

He's 16-17 years old , and live in a way more complicated world than the "classic" 1960 world of the original Spider-man.
In the 1960s the world was not so interconnected, there were no cameras and smartphones anywhere. Even in context, the Avengers and F4s had a minor presence around. Moreover, at the time the Avengers were minutemen totally independent from the army. Nick Fury Shield had nothing to do with the Avengers. This is also the reason why secret identities made sense for their time.
Today those rules no longer make sense and, again, Peter is only sixteen. When you are the only hero of the world like in Raimi Spider-man your age doesn't really matter, but in the Mcu, with Shield organizations like, and all things, it is hardly credible that Peter has not already been arrested by Thunderbolt Ross.
The world of MCu p is a world with many coreal voices where all the characters interact with each other in close contact. It is no longer a stage where only one actor has the whole scene.

It's the strong and weakness of the MCU at the same time and Peter

Who actually thought that was a good idea to include? Is it because women cant be damsels in distress or something? Why would she be so stupid to get herself into such situations then whine about being saved, the worse part is how Peter acts so beta and doesnt even attempt to call her out on her shit

Did you reply to the wrong post?
I said it’s stupid that he is very competent and skilled in civil war then reverts to being incredibly incompetent and uncreative in homecoming despite those being traits of Spiderman

Even Raimiman, who was a nice guy even before becoming Spider-Man, was still a fucking dickhead when given the opportunity and would turn into a huge asshole.

Yeah, sorry I wanted to add something about it, it ended up looking too much.

I can't speak for anyone other than myself, but he feels like an incredibly sanitized take on the character for actually genuinely the tumblr audience. Not the crazy SJWs or anything like that but the majority of teenage girls and fandom followers that he was kind of designed to cater to. He's toothless and a lot of his darker edges, even the ones that lead to heroism have been shorn so not grate on anyone.

I don't expect an update of the Dikto/Lee Parker anymore. Making him that unlikable from the beginning is probably a bridge too far, but we have entered this odd period where we just don't have his actual self destructive tendencies and mean streak being acknowledged anymore in media because the MCU is king. And the MCU has to be friendly and a relative safe space.

I'm not trying to say "It's Tumblr's fucking fault" because that is too simplified, but half of Peter's shit talking, which despite being relatively PG is still very aggressive and his self loathing as result of being just an utter fucking dickhead probably wouldn't go over that well.

It's easier just to make him adorkable. Or like B.Parker who is a dad bod millennial loser.

what sucks is that so many people, even on Yea Forums act like its a perfect portrayal of the character and refuse to acknowledge any criticisms that get brought up.
There are a lot of things done right here but so many more things done wrong.

And what would be the meaning of this battle?
How important is it to admit whether or not he's different? At the end, it's just a stupid excuse to then reproach those how appreciate this Spider-man telling them that they like a wrong character. it's the usual fedora autism disguised as a critical sense.

Because yes, Here the problem has never been accepting that he is , or not a corret portrayal of the character. A lot of people admit that he's different..

No fuck... the biggest offense is that someone likes this Spider-man

>this is literally the third set of Spidey movies
>people on Yea Forums still want the same fucking character and plot points hit in the same ways
You got the traditional Spidey story and cast with the Raimi movies. It'd be boring as shit to have the same thing over and over.

it's a lost cause.

Always shocked people hate the Iron Man connection so much (most likely because IM is the most popular character in the MCU so we all have to turn on him). But it just seems like a really good device for Peter's morals and inferiority complex without needing to go MUH UNCLE BEN like always

Yeah we should make movies about a Batman who never lost his parents, and one where Superman isn't an alien from a dead planet.

Your argument is retarded. That's not a "different" Spiderman. That's a different character and a different cast.

>You got the traditional Spidey story and cast with the Raimi movies.
He ruined MJ though.

>It'd be boring as shit to have the same thing over and over.
You underestimate how many autists frequent this board.

That's literally the point of the MCU though. It is t 616 it's new takes on all of the characters. It's also stupidly reductive to act like everything that makes Spider-Man a character is solely tied to Uncle Ben and can't be approached in other ways.

He's a teenager

Your examples don¨t hold up, because Peter in this universe did have an uncle Ben who's death inspired him to become Spider-Man.

One can assume they did not want to go over Ben's death because we've already seen that twice already. Making Tony his second surrogate father figure makes sense within the narrative of these movies.

The post credits scene should have been JJ calling up Peter, telling him he knows his secret, but is willing to keep it safe if he works for him as a photographer taking photos of the villains he fights.

Why would peter Parker learn morals from tony fucking stark?! That is what pisses me off about the connection
Tony is shown to be very loose with his morals in the mcu and also very irresponsible. Remember when he foolishly created an ai that levelled a country then walked away scott free or gave the home address of him and his partner on live tv or most recently created a satellite capable of murdering anyone on earth despite tws making it clear to the audience that such a device should not exist.

Wouldnt work, JJJ hates Spiderman and would never employ him besides I doubt he would ever blackmail a kid like Tony Stark

He doesn't need to be Captain America. Tony can just as easily serve as an example of what not to do and as someone who was flawed but wanted to do the right thing.

You are completely right.

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t.hitop films

You get close to a lot of the reasons I think the Stark connection works and needs to be there. You just can't believably tie this child into the Avengers without something like that. It's a way to quickly build in universe credit and connections for Peter in the span of a few movies so that he's ready to play with the big dogs. If this were a comic you could more slowly build him up but the fact that the MCU exists at all times around him means there's no way to use things like time skips to establish Peter on an Avenger level and it would just feel hokey regardless because he's a kid. Tony taking an interest and dragging him in for partly selfish reasons works. Naturally that's going to leave Peter starstruck and attached

>an example of what not to do
But thats the thing, Peter explicitly says “I WAS JUST TRYING TO BE LIKE YOU” before going home to cry. He clearly views Tony as a role model for better or worse
This relationship could have been utilised better by having peter call out stark for his shit and have him realise how much of a hypocrite he can be

It makes me devastated that shills outweigh people who actually care about quality of product in such great proportion. There was a time when there could be a productive discussion.

So, why? The only thing you get out of this is even more atrocious flicks.

If it's not the same character, why is this castrated thing even called Spider-man or Peter Parker?

This version Spider-Man just revolves around Iron-Man and because of that he'll be stuck in his shadow.

>It'd be boring as shit to have a good story again

Okay, retard.

>It is t 616
Nah, it's the ultimate universe.

>Your examples don¨t hold up, because Peter in this universe did have an uncle Ben who's death inspired him to become Spider-Man.

I really wanna know what are you basing this on.

user you know that Spider-Man has 60 years of stories and hundreds of villains right?

God you dumb fucking retards.

The scenes in CW and Homecoming where they clearly allude to this with both Peter and May? Or do they need to say "ever since uncle Ben died-" for your mong brain to catch it.

Many of the problems with MCU Spider-Man stem from his relationship with Iron Man. Too many times Disney has been shelling out Spider-Man to be the next Iron Man, just as how DC sometimes made Nightwing the next Batman, but that was, in and of itself, regarded to be the case long beforehand so there's no stress out on that. Plus, considering Nightwing's character arc, it makes sense to uphold the mantle and the stress it carries. Spider-Man, on the other hand, does not, and that underlies the main problem and issue: Spider-Man is a separate character yet whose character is being forced to congeal with another one for the sake of character development.

As for the character itself, it has a lot of flaws that are even more so worse than the Raimi and Amazing era of Spider-Man movies. Spider-Man/Peter shows off way too much naivete in Homecoming to the point where it's really just a head basher. He doesn't have a central character arc and just feels contrived and forced when Iron Man takes him in in Civil War. There's no fluidity between the two in the Infinity movies and it just comes off as being mundane in the process.

In the recent Far from home, it just kind of sells itself out short when the movie just has him undermining the main purpose of him "being the next Iron Man" when he decides to give the glasses to Quentin Beck in the bar in Prague. And then Beck gives out a speech and flashbacks to Civil War and Iron Man as a way of the MCU saying to the audience "hey, remember these guys? They actually had a part in the movie that you should've paid attention to but you didn't know because you didn't pay attention hard enough."

It's just a poor way and disservice to the entire MCU series as a whole and I can't help but feel like it's going to get much worse from here.

Even if it is meant to be that way, Spider-Man was shown (in Stern's run also) that he was never really meant to be a long-term avenger because of the real world responsibilities he had to face and deal with compared to the rest of the team.

Hulk, Thor, Iron Man, and Cap all had reasons to be there and so did A/B-grade heroes like Ant Man, Wasp, Hawkeye, and the like.

It just seems that in the MCU that it felt like having Spider-Man in as a means for fanservice and the whole Iron Man story just gives him a purpose for being there, even albeit if it's a shallow one.

The first 2 phases of the MCU had a point. Despite some mishaps, it still had a direction and that's why I prefer it (mainly because of Winter Soldier) to the disasterous phasing that the current MCU's going through.

>it's going to get much worse from here.

100% will get worse

A fucking briefcase is no substitute for his uncle actually imparting wisdom on him, fucking retard.

>as a way of the MCU saying to the audience "hey, remember these guys? They actually had a part in the movie that you should've paid attention to but you didn't know because you didn't pay attention hard enough."
That wasn't what I took away from that scene at all. It was played for laughs, not like some genius revelation.

So you need a remake of the Raimi scene? We all know what happens. We¨ve seen it happen several times. MCU Spiderman does not have an origin movie, because there is no need for it.

Listen to me you stupid fuck.

This has been said so many times now, NO ONE IS ASKING TO SEE UNCLE BEN DIE. What they want is to see the impact his life had on peter. If Ben existed he would never need fury to force him into action, he would never remember starks words when he is dying, most of all he would never be motivate solely by the thought of being an avenger. Besides why cant the explicitly reference Ben? Surely May would mention her recently deceased husband

Personally the lack of uncle Ben is the least of my issues with the character, for one he always acts retarded, like texting happy Hogan 24/7 as if he needs his permission to fight crime or is desperate to fight big bad guys, surely Pete would want there to be no bad guys to fight so he can spend time with friends and family

Batman had the damn scene every incarnation he had in the movies, why are the MCU fanboys thinking that spider-man gets exempt from it?

And people were shitting on it the moment it appeared in BvS. because they¨re tired of watching the same origin story again and again.

>spiderman
>not spider-man
normie detected

There a huge difference between skipping the origin and erasing it.

Spiderman PS4, Spectacular Spiderman and Into the spider verse ALL skip peters origins yet none of them have any issues like this at all

Allow me to direct you to the 1000+ instances of 616 Spider-Man being a trickster who refuses to be "anyone's fall guy".

Trickster and not letting yourself be stepped on does not equal asshole and bully who gets off on intimidating human mooks.

Fuck you, and your bait thread, casual

I recently saw FFH, I thought Mysterio was pretty cool. I liked how he and the weapons guy from Iron Man were shown to be BG characters in those films but joined up after Tony died cause of how they were treated. Really liked his Illusion fight in Berlin and the final battle where Peter sees through him is epic.

As someone who only knows Marvel from the MCU, I have no problems with this film and don’t understand why people make such a fuss over it.

it was ok but not as good as based venom

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Spiderfags are autistic. So much content, never satisfied.

An extension of people's exhaustion with capeshit, coupled with Yea Forums's increasing disinfranchisement with the mouse.

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>over half a century of comics giving you exactly what you want
>endless number of cartoons doing the same thing
>Raimi movies largely did the same thing
>Single trilogy of movies reinvents the character in a fresh take
>You all lose your collective minds
Why do you guys just want to see the same beats retreaded? Successfully done or not at least MCI Spidey is something new. The relationship with Iron Man is fresh territory. It doesn't take your comics away from you

Because retards like exist.
And maybe for once some people wanted a straight up adaptation of the character.

This, his "quipping" is just saying "oh wow that is so cool" and "hey remember this totally nerdy movie?"
I realized this spidey sucked when someone on Yea Forums posted about how they couldn't imagine him making fat jokes at the kingpin

he was even called superman once by doc ock
mary jane's last name was watkins sometimes too

>>I realized this spidey sucked when someone on Yea Forums posted about how they couldn't imagine him making fat jokes at the kingpin
>Fucking SPIDER-MAN
>NOT making fat jokes about Kingpin

MCU Spider-Man is trash.

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People tend to not like movies whose plot has the main characters basically doing fuckall the entire movie, even if it’s an enjoyable ride nonetheless.

Peter did do some stuff this movie, but Mysterio was just jerking him around while he kept his illusions going until the end, after which he dies. He also doesn’t get any actual development with Fury since he’s a Skrull in disguise and Happy and May’s relationship ends as quickly as it begins, same for Ned and Betty.

Other than Pete and MJ starting a relationship and Peter learning to believe in himself (again) nothing that happens in this movie really matters besides the big reveal at the end. None of the character relationships outside Pete and MJ progressed at all and this Gillian will never return as a rogue.

It’s not exactly The Principal and the Pauper but it’s got some of the same problems.

He's Starks lackey
Thanks to the MCU we're going to have a whole generation that thinks of Spider-Man as the Robin to Iron Man's Batman, for fucks sake

>For once
Did you ignore my post where I noted the numerous cartoons and the Raimi moves that were straight up adaptations?
>Hurr but this little thing is different
You were never going to get a 1:1 comic adaptation. That doesn't exist. Has never been done. Never will be done. Film and comics are different mediums.

I just honestly think the ending would have been better if Peter ordered the drones to self-destruct.

the doctored footage could still even work with Peter saying "destroy them! Destroy them all!"

Spider-Man in name, power and costume only. Honestly if it was revealed that the MCU as a whole was a parallel universe to the real Spider-Man's, it'd make too much sense. MCU Spidey is wrong in so many ways he'd immediately tip a reader off to this being a "different" Spidey if he appeared in the opening pages of a "Spider-Man adventures through the multiverse" story

are you agreeing or do you have some sort of reading comprehension problem?

I'm agreeing you idiot.

>You get close to a lot of the reasons I think the Stark connection works and needs to be there. You just can't believably tie this child into the Avengers without something like that.
lol

Nah, this kid could never work his way into this already turning story

"Hey kid, come fight with me"

Okay NOW it would work. Yeah tony NEEDED to be a part of his story, no other way about it.

>these super heros are fighting in new york
>Oh shoot my spider sense
>better investigate
>swings around fighting everybody asking whats going on, nobody knows much about him and is generally annoyed

YEAH NO WAY gotta have daddy stark span over TWO movies now

>YEAH NO WAY gotta have daddy stark span over TWO movies now
5 movies.

Honestly Flash is my biggest problem with how they're doing things. The contrast between him and puny Parker is one of the most important parts of Spider-Man. The fact that Flash was able to push Peter shows how much restraint Peter had to have later on. And my biggest issue is the fact that he got snapped along with everyone else. They seriously could've set up the whole Flash joins the military because he wants to be a hero during the time-skip. They just can't redeem Flash in this universe at all, he's a meek rich kid who gets off on streaming and talking shit.

I liked it, the only problem I have with it are the Skrulls. When I saw them in the end I thought Marvel had the balls to show them as the next villains as they laid to everyone and started substituting powerful men as Captain Marvel left the planet. Then that shit happened

I actually really like the new Vulture. But I am sad that they took Mile's cast and gave it to Peter.

It's not just Civil War though is my point. They need reasons to tie him into everything while still building up a universe two phases in

That's the proble with the mcu as a whole, they have to sacrifice story to make it clear to the audience that the characters are in mcu.

Like the other guy mentioned, spiderman's intro could have worked so much better if he stumbled across the avengers fighting and maybe got in the middle of it. Stark later tracks him down out of annoyance and finds out he's just a kid then this whole daddy stark thing could work. But what we got was tony threatening him then excommunicating him like a psycho

>could have worked so much better if he stumbled across the avengers fighting and maybe got in the middle of it

Retards who pose as if they were super geniuses of (fan)fiction and writing with their stupid ideas. This is so embarrassing.

I just said that as a vague example of another way to approach his intro into the mcu without it being as forced as it was. It might not even be a good idea but surely there was a better way to go about it than they did which led to the Iron Boy Situation

There just isn't enough Spider-Man in the movie.
Say what you want about Homecoming but atleast we got a good amount of Spider-Man protecting the neighbourhood and swinging around.
FFH is really just Peter bumbling about and occasionally firing a web or two.

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That's not how it works. Civil War had to be named something like Captain America Serpent Society at the beginning. Bucky still had a role as their agent, but Stark and Parker were not even in the script. Now I don't remember if it was to counter the rise of WB heroes or other reasons, but then the film became Civil War. Spider-Man was literally a last addition after many negotiations with Sony while the movie was already at a good point.
In short, somehow, they had to get Spider-man to Berlin because in CW no battle takes place in NY.

Because we got that already in Homecoming. It's taken for granted that Peter still patrols the neighborhood. (But i really wanted the restaurant scene... fuck)

many of Yea Forums's inhabitants are filled with Sam Raimi fags who think the first is the best representation of spider-man. It isnt.

wait far from home doesnt have a lot of spider-man in it? You are joking.

Swinging in homecoming? When?
ffh has way more spider man action and he actually moved like someone with enhanced agility

Confusing Flash and Ned makes it pretty obvious you've not actually watched any of the movies and that everything you said is a knee-jerk reaction to Mickey pissing on Raimi.

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retarded dogposter

The problem isn't that Ben's death isn't mentioned. It's that they can't even take a stand on it, probably just to piss off people so we make dumb threads and theories about it. Maybe he died, maybe he didn't. If he did, it doesn't make sense because no one seems to care. If he didn't die, Peter has no reason to become a hero, and if he has one, it's out of character.

Bruce Wayne became Batman so no one goes through the same tragedy he had. Barry Allen became Flash because he had this need to do the right thing and felt powerless since his mother's death.

Peter Parker became Spider-man because his uncle's death taught him the meaning of responsibility. The MCU is okay for what it is, I don't even watch these fucking movies anymore . But their Spider-Man is dogshit.

>If he didn't die, Peter has no reason to become a hero, and if he has one, it's out of character.

Meh, you look too much at your personal references, too much at your bubble, at your damned room, and don't look beyond that. The Original Spider-man is born in a social moment where the Super heroes were few and quite limited.
Stark is still walking around with the golden Mk1 and I'm not even sure that Cap was defrosted, as he joins the Avengers only later.

Peter has nothing to inspire him, and is experiencing a moment of great frustration and social isolation because he's a fucking 1960 nerd. That's why Stan Lee creates the figure of Uncle Ben . And that is why he is one of his relatives, since, being a loner, his relative are narratively the only one who can approach him and have a minimum of ascendancy over him.

Now, MCU. Stark is fucking huge deal that has redefined the rules of his world. TV, Internet, everything does nothing but talk about Super heroes. Being a super hero is cool in Mcu and Peter gets the powers to be one of them. He does not need the death of Ben to become Spider-man, because he is already inspired by the exploits of the Avengers, and the speech he makes in Civil War perfectly explains his desire to do the right thing with his powers. Original Spider-man decides to use his powers to be rich and cool for a Tv Show. Mcu Peter decides to use his powers to become a Super hero because is fun and also cool , This is also explained in Homecoming. Both lack maturity and responsibility, because if the former is clearly a selfish asshole , the second, although well motivated, is objectively irresponsible.
The point is, you're not looking at a veteran Spider-man. The real, motivated, Spider-man is not born yet in Mcu.

The home trilogy serves precisely about this

Personally the film is too big, there's too much going on for a story that's super fucking simple and street-level.

Break the story down, what's at the core?
>Big shoes to fill
>I don't want to miss my teen years
You have a solid recipe for a neat little coming of age story backdropped into a school trip, which is just TEEMING with potential. But it keeps trying to slide in a shitty Mysterio plot that feels really akward and doesn't mesh well with what the movie has going. Add SHIELD, Happy, fucking world domination and super-satellites and the film starts to lose focus on what really matters.

This feels like a first-draft script where they just threw all the ideas in and didn't really consider how they'd gel together. A reworked script would have removed SHIELD entirely and tried to make Mysterio connect more with Peter's growth. Would have made Happy a bigger presence and even fixed the honestly ridiculous villain backstory.
Not to mention the entire pacing is fucked, the film only really gets going on the third act, a lot of the setup beforehand is super sloppy and kinda boring.

What kills me is that there's some genuine gold here. That one scene where Happy sees Peter working on his own suit and just fucking smiles is fantastic (a shame that such a small and simple moment is undercut by a BOMBASTIC and uneeded Back in Black), and goddamn that scene where he has to leave the Opera and looks back for a second has more character than most of Peter's entire arc.

Basically, it should have been about Peter on a trip with his friends, stumbling into love and trying to solve the power/responsability conflict. Mysterio should have been a simple bad guy throwing terror around Europe, with a personal connection to PETER, not Stark. (and seriously why was Fury here?)
Also the CG is SHIT, unnatural as fuck

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>the real Spiderman is not born yet in the mcu
>the home trilogy is about this
So after years of hur duh we dont need to see the origin story again, this trilogy will essentially serve as a three film origin story for Spiderman?

>muh Raimifags wahhh
Rent free.

Maybe because it actually works and that's why people love Spider-Man in the first place. And there are 60 years of stories so you can do still have fresh takes while staying true to the character, you dumb asshole.
>at least MCI Spidey is something new
You are cancer.
>it's new so it's good
>who cares if it's completely awful

yep pretty much. With Spider-man they wanted to avoid another film with his origins, but at the same time not to neglect all the new mcu fans who don't know Spider-man yet, especially the younger ones.

So Peter becomes the Spider-man because he wears the costume and has fun after school play the hero, but as demonstrated in Homecoming and FFH, he's still immature and this super hero thing is almost a game that he does not take seriously yet.

Why do you think he's so spineless in Homecoming and FFH? Why does he whine like a child when Tony takes off his costume?
Why do you think he want to bea neighborhood hero but refuse to take part in any greater responsibility?

Because he is still immature and flawed. And I can understand that a lot of old fans don't want to wait for 6 movies to have the independent and mature Spider-man they want to see, but it's like Endgame , it wouldn't work without 10 years of film behind it.

>I thought his response was weak when stark asked him what his motivation was in civil war.
it was literally the Uncle Ben story, you fuck

I feel like they took all of Spider-Man's characterization and gave it to Ant-Man in the MCU. Paul Rudd as Scott Lang makes a much better Friendly Neighborhood bug-hero (yes I know spiders are arachnids) than Spider-fuccboi. That said, I don't hate Tom Holland. Far From Home is setting him up as the new face of the MCU now that RDJ's contract has ended. I'm interested to see how this plays out for the next phases.

He's a cringe faggot weakling.
When I was a kid, Peter Parker was a responsible young adult with a wife.
He wasn't in awe of Muh Science Celebrity Tony Stark.
He wasn't a beta cowards nervous to talk to a girl.
He didn't do what Nick Fury told him to do.
He was kind of like an inspiration.
MCU Spidey is "good lil whi boi".

Nigga he said he was looking out for the little guy

Yes, and then he goes on to say: "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't, and then bad things happen, they happen because of you" - a direct allusion to Ben's death anyone but maybe kiddies would get.

MUH CHILDHOOD.

Nobody cares you fragile ego little fuck. Your shitty childhood resulted in a shitty adult who cries about cartoons online.

Kids and teens love Holland Spider-Man though. Maybe you just grew up.

They laid the groundwork for Flash's insecurities and problems in FFH as background details. Flash got snapped, but the rest of his family did not. His family got over his death and moved on, and now that he is back his family has still already moved on. As far as Flash is concerned, he blinked and suddenly his parents treat him like a stranger instead of their beloved child.

This lays the groundwork for a Flash that has a deep need to prove himself because he feels abandoned, and he identifies with Spiderman because he was snapped too (in fact, he's one of the few 'big' heroes that Flash would have heard about that was).

Flash's need to be a hero/accepting the symbiote can all easily stem from this sense of abandonment and lack of direction set up post-Snap.

it is likely that at that point they had not yet decided whether to go with the death of Tony Stark as new mentor or with Ben. They tried to keep both doors open.

In fairness, Aunt May might have shown some concern for what Peter is doing if we had gotten to see them between her finding out he's Spider-Man and then 50% of the planet being disintegrated for five years. After that she's probably a little more receptive to the idea that Spider-Man is needed.

Your saying that a mature Spiderman would not work without years of build up or am misunderstanding?

Anyway there is no problem with skipping the origin story, many spiderman media have done this:
>STAS
>Spectacular Spiderman
>Into the Spiderverse
>Marvel Spiderman PS4
They all skipped the spider bite and uncle Ben dying but we can still accept them as Spiderman. The origin is not the issue

Brutal.

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I think hes referring to how peter doesnt just say “with great power there must also come great responsibility” to stark. And when he delivers the “bad things” line he does it a sort of mumbley shy way

>implying Spider-Man has stayed the same characters for 60 years
How can people be so delusional holy shit.

I just cant see agent venom happening here, maybe its because of the lack of screen time flash has had, meaning we havent got to see other sides of him. He should have replaced Ned and Betty cringe scenes

>Of course /co is butthurt because they don't want to accept the passage of time and don't want new fans to grow up with a Spider-man different from the one they knew.
He's barely an idea of what Spiderman is, they turned him into white Miles

I never said that Peter adult could not work. if anything, I wrote too much in explaining why this Spider-man is still so immature. it's their choice.
Someone like him can't stand it, but I, on the other hand, see a gradual build up with a Peter who is discovering what it means to really be a hero, and not just someone who does it because it's fun or, "i want to help, but..".

Almost as if he was vaguely ashamed of it, somehow. Wonder what that could be!

Thats what happens when you play a scene like aunt May finding out his identity for a cheap laugh at the end

She is aware of just how easily peter can die, even the God himself Tony Stark didnt survive, yet she shows zero concern for his safety. Its one thing for her to accept he is Spiderman but she actively encourages him to continue even when he stresses he needs a break, how can they make her young yet senile at the same time?

Aunt May is meant to be one of Peter Parkers emotional anchors, yet 90% of her scenes in the entire mcu are comedic

>they turned him into white Miles

As I remember, Bendis Miles never had true responsibility lessons. Also with the venom Blast is op as fuck. there is more growth in the two sony films than in years of Miles stories.

>whiny MCUck calling someone else out
Comedy gold.

Exactly.
He might say those words but he clearly doesnt believe in them because he does the opposite in every “solo” movie

Yep, we are all laughing at you.

>we
Didn't you mother teach you to speak only for yourself?
Ahh, what do I expect from a whiny MCUck?

I like it and I'm Yea Forums.
However we've had 5 movies of Spidey being unsure of himself and awkward, I hope defeating Mysterio and losing his identity (probably temporarily) allows the character to mature as he enters the college era.

Adding on to this post because there was one more thing I was thinking about:
This version of Peter is pic related. Which is fine because it makes him easy to like. He's emotionally vulnerable, he's polite to the point of awkwardness, and he's liked by every other MCU hero.

The problem is that (at least in my opinion) Peter Parker works best with at least a bit of a mean streak in him. There's got to be some selfishness that he overcomes to be a better person. As tired as people are of seeing his Uncle Ben origin, him letting the robber that killed Ben go established a very important part of Peter's personality. In the Raimi movies he went full vengeance mode as soon as he saw what happened, and then was hit with the realization that Ben's death was indirectly his fault.

I can't really see MCU Peter being as deadly serious as that. I think there needs to be a reminder to audiences that if you push him far enough, Peter will fuck your shit up.

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>as he enters the college era.

You have to tolerate one last movie before that, pal.

I interpreted her packing his suit as a protection thing. If something bad where to happen, he would have the suit.

T. Mouseshill

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> I think there needs to be a reminder to audiences that if you push him far enough, Peter will fuck your shit up.
See my postSpidey destroying Mysterio felt like one of those "Spidey gets mad" moments from the comics. He just pops off and wrecks his shit.

>Character already turned into a wimpy fanboy/dumbass
>MCU Peter is Nu-Peter anyway
The movie would be significantly better if it happened

it's simply the first time that he's forced to use his spider sense at its best. try to imagine if he had used it at these levels in CW, no one could even touch him, not even Cap.

16 years old Peter wasn't a veteran.
It's not about experience, it's about drive and meaning, you are an imbecile.

>but shouldnt it be Captain America?
Not when Feige already trained the audiences that Stark is the only one who always is """right""", always does the greatest thing and makes every other character look like a dumbass

This. People still defend BvS here, as proof.

He fights without a suit at first so it s not like he needs it to fight, he just needs something to mask his identity.

It doesnt matter that he “might need it”, which Ive highlighted he doesnt, peter clearly wants to take a break from crime fighting since he died and she still forces that onto him which shows a disgusting lack of care and respect on her part and makes her come across a stupid bitch

This. Since when has Tony been a morally good character? He always favours what’s necessary over whats right, but the mcu cant have movies that explore the flaws of their main characters. So much of what he does in the mcu is wrong or at least dodgy but its presented as if he is some holy saviour

>the mcu cant have movies that explore the flaws of their main characters.
FFH was literally about Tony being a shitty boss and taking credit from his employees.

wait, are you saying that you would have accepted Cap mentor, but not Tony?

He's the same old Miles we know and love. There hasn't been a real Peter Parker on the silver screen.

Mysterio was genuinely an asshole too.

What's the over/under on this post being a paid Disney shill?

No it was not the point of the film it was just part of mysterios motivation. Tony just under utilised the hologram tech and didnt credit Bech for that small performance he did. Besides its hard to take Bech seriously when he turns psychotic as soon as he gets the glasses just so brainlets can be sure he is the villain. Like when Toomes randomly punches a guy at the start and vaporises the shocker with no remorse

>It's not like he's different, he's the same old spiderman we all know and love.
false
>i'm Yea Forums and i like it
pick one

Not necessarily, iron man as a mentor sort of makes sense but peter should never worship him like he does. He would always be a captain America fan and I wish they had more time to interact. When Tony barges into peters house he insults and blackmails him, when Steve meets Peter, even in the middle of battle he shows respect towards peter.

>you would have accepted Cap mentor, but not Tony?
Not exactly.
His motivations are closer with Steve's, though. So you could have a genuine understanding/ nice interactions between them based on that
He could take some advice from Cap, but be his own man in the end, Not being turned into an absolute fanboy/lackey who lets himself being dragged for whatever reason

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>makes sense but peter should never worship him like he does.

Guys... seriously you are mixing comics and cinema.

Tony Stark in the McU is a fucking Rock star who paved the way for the super heroes. He revolutionized the technology of his world, promoting clean energy, he's a fucking hero, a human deterrent, and he was crucial to allow the Avengers to go back in time, save millions of people reduced to ashes and then sacrifice himselves to complete the ultimate victory .

Yeah..he was also an egocentric asshole who did did a lot of stupid things, but seriously, in the context of the MCU is a fucking saint who saved the world and will be remembered like an armored Jesus.

Take a moment to think IN THE CONTEXT of the Mcu instead of doing that as readers.
In the context, it is absolutely normal that Peter admires him.

>Tony Stark in the McU is a fucking Rock star who paved the way for the super heroes.
Cap, Ant-Man (Pym) and Wasp (Janet)
Were already before him
>in the context of the MCU is a fucking saint who saved the world and will be remembered like an armored Jesus.
Yeah, and the moment you start talking something bad about him, you are literally the villain, Who would have thought?
>and then sacrifice himself to complete the ultimate victory.
On a superhero story? Outrageous!! No one would ever acomplish that!
On top of that Peter has his own moral compass, and conveniently he never knew that Tony almost provoked an end of the world escenario,decided to become Ross' bitch because, "muh my gf left me", helped to put his own teammates in jail. And never helped to get them out when he found said prison it was illegal and inhuman. An honest version of Peter would call Stark on his bullshit
Go suck Mousedick somewhere else

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Hulk brought everyone back why does no one in the mcu acknowledge that fact, where is the hulk inflight documentary, fuck Tiny Stank gets a whole documentary while the avengers as group get nothing. So much for it being a team effort Iron Man: Engame

>he's the same old spiderman we all know and love
That's exactly the issue, he's not Spdier-Man from the comics at all.

Do not look at me. I'm not the one who makes these "documentaries" in the MCU. I only try to imagine what Tony Stark represents now for the generic Mcu civilian. Probably every Avenger is considered a savior, but Tony died and gave Thanos the coup de grace.
Right or wrong, martyrs are always those who take glory.

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When like hundreds of thousands of people are all complaining about the exact same thing after watching your movie it's probably safe to say that it's a problem and you can safely remove it.

Making Spiderman dependent on Iron Man and the Avengers might very well be something cool and interesting, or at least tolerable, to a large number of people, but you could also just not do it and those same people wouldn't complain from its absence if you never brought it up again. You'd net less complaining people by making Spiderman invent his own suit and not have Iron Man so heavily involved in his story. That'd fix pretty much everything, because without this issue, there'd be nothing for the people who don't like the movie to unite behind together, it wouldn't turn into a big meme.