Post yfw Steven ended up being the Chad between him and Finn

Nothing more Chaderiffic than being confident in your own masculinity.

>Wears the dress in place of his friend and takes her place so she won't feel bad
>Not because he wants to look pretty
>Implying that level of confidence isn't chad

>finn’s show ends with a whimper and people already forgot about it
>steven’s show ends with a movie and people will remember it for years

>cries all the time
>wears women clothes
>cares about the feelings and opinions of females
>Chad

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Compared to Finn,yeah

You dont become a Chad by being slightly less pathetic than someone else.

>masculinity
Where's that webm with him walking like a faggot?

Fortunately, standards have lowered

>Implying trends don't change over time

They remember it because it's a show for dykes

>Still seething

SU fags are so pathetic and desperate to their show that they're trying to show their "superiority" to other shows. Amazing.

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I think it’s just more of that stupid tribe shit.

Yeah, I knew about that days ago. Yea Forums is already a shithole because of console warring, why Amphibiafags are trying to bring cartoon warring to the board?

People like competition, it’s only recently more of a competition whether whose preferred piece of media. Incredibly sad but not surprising

Real shame about Finn, he could have been one of the greats.

>gets laid
This is why incels are incels. They don’t grasp that it’s not some kind of magic pheromone connection. women have to want to have sex with you and Finn only ever got to have sex in his dreams.

>Literally only got laid in his dreams
Kek.

He was raped

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Their both miserable failures in their own ways, just because Stevens show protrays his actions as positive doesnt mean they are.

Who ever drew this is stupid. We can see that Steven is too much of a fatass to fit in Finn's clothes but Steven's clothes on Finn can fit him perfectly fine, what I mean by that is Steven's clothes are not super loose/sagging on Finn. Wtf. Also good job coloring in Steven's eyebrow you dip.

I just figured someone CN edited it

It didn't have to be this way. If Pen had kept everyone on a tight leash, there wouldn't have been a decline.

Sure there's the responsibility of writing a series but hey at least it's yours.

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>Steven
>Chad
NO
>By comparison with Finn
Well... yes, I guess.

I don't see any masculinity in that pic at all, user.

Well, Steven does have an awesome father. That’s more than Finn can say.

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Why do they keep posting Adventure Time? It ended last year?

You don't see them ever mentioning Regular Show or Uncle Grandpa, why does AT get special treatment?

It wasn't an Amphibiafag, nor was it a Trainfag.
It's one guy trying to stir shit on both sides out of boredom.
He even made a thread that explicitly said he wanted to divide Yea Forums.
Then other people saw it and started doing tribe shit on their own.

Steven has
>A loving father
>A best friend willing to literally die for him who is very soon gonna be his girlfriend
>A massive loving family of aliens
>Beloved by his hometown
>Literal savior of multiple planets (as of the movie)
>Mastered the art of diplomacy

There is no way Steven is a failure unless you're applying arbitrary points against him like "he cries too much" (when he's a war veteran) and "he's too feminine" (as if that's ever mattered).

When was the last time you were confident enough to make that rockstar pose, co/merade? When you were four?
Cause for me it was when I was about four.

>implying Joshua wasn't awesome
I wish my dad left me a cool demon sword and an inspiring final words

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Yeah, but Greg has the advantage of being alive, also Finn’s biological dad Martin doesn’t give a shit about him anymore.

Well he hasn't had a single girl leave him yet and his relationship with Connie only seems to be heating up.
That is a point for Steven.
>Fuck it if Sadie won't do it I'll do it for her
>Clearly has fun and doesn't care that he looks like a homo
>Drives the crowd wild
Honestly this was a pretty chad moment desu.

I'm genuinely amazed that Steven Universe could create a shot that is so fucking metal

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Movie is a musical so they're going all out with the composition.

>Honestly this was a pretty chad moment desu
>dressing like a girl is chad

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Because Adventure Time is the most influential cartoon of it's decade.

That’s not Steven Universe.

>Steven Universe
>influential
If it was influential, it's for creating a new generation of dykes and trannies

Do you really think a fucking cartoon of all things can change your sexuality?

Have you seen the SU fandom?

You mean the ones who were gay or trans already? It's popular because it's relatable, not the other way around.

They were already like that. Pretty sure the overwhelming queerness of most of the fandom was what helped steer the show into fairyland in the first place since the first season was just an action show with a lot shipping fuel.

>Finn
Shit happens when literally EVERYONE on the team hates yo ass

I think that's just Rebecca discovering who she was as the first season went along. It was pretty gay during that time already.

this tranny propaganda in children's programming is a bizarre trend.

>No rebuttal

>Blames everyone else that Finn ended up an permacuck.

>Everyone else

I specifically said it was Sugar.

Dilate

>No rebuttal

>t. white

>Still no rebuttal

Have sex.

Look I’m very sorry Finn is a loser, I liked AT too until I got bored of it during season 1. But deep down, you knew it would happen.

I thought Rebecca had been pushing Finn x Marceline

I always thought Steven was deliberately humiliating himself as a form of social sepukku to apologize for taking something Sadie enjoyed and ruining it for her.

I never liked both shows that much but if I were to rewatch one it would be Adventure Time

>But deep down, you knew it would happen.
Only when Rebecca Sugar started pushing that stuff which was early on. But it was still her.

I'm just making the argument that of course Steven is going to bang more girls than Finn when the person who made Steven slowly pushes away Finn's original love interest in favor of a vampire.

Are you saying she did it specifically to make Finn look weaker than Steven?

Well the town loved it so if that was the idea I think it backfired. You're close though, I think he was just taking the L because he was more pushing her to do something HE wanted rather than something SHE wanted.

It's honestly not a bad episode (with a real banger of a song), but it does stick out like a sore thumb in terms of townie episodes.

What are you guys talking about, Rebecca Sugar tried her hardest to give Finn a GF in the form of Flame Princess, gave him the set-up for a whole arc and everything, it was the rest of the AT writers who decided to take the easiest set-up for a GF in the world and turn it into "Let's have Finn get cucked by a literal fucking retard".

>Steven is now AT protag n Finn is SU protag
So how does it go?

Also
>Not Finn with long magnificent hair
SHIT taste

Finn dies. Steven ends up being a hero.

Well we have confirmed at least 2 people wanted to drag him down for god knows how long and what the extent of their influence was.

It had some gay characters at the start (mostly Pearl) but Steven was obviously into Connie and Greg had a thing with Amethyst that was never brought up after one episode. The gay stuff really started gaining traction with Jailbreak and just kept eclipsing things as the series went on.

Ruby and Sapphire? Garnet?

Rebecca Sugar really wanted good for him but retards wated to fuck him over
>i hate fin but i dont know why

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>The gay stuff really started gaining traction with Jailbreak
Read the whole post user. The gayest Garnet got before that was in the fusion dance scenes. She mostly stayed out out of relationship stuff otherwise.

I get that, but Garnet was always a gay relationship made manifest before S2 was even a thing. She was like that for thousands of years.

Steven is pretty much an isekai harem protag that will get everything handed to him on a silver platter. Half of this is because Steven is a self-insert of Sugar's autistic brother she wants to coddle and the other half is that anything close to her can't suffer lasting consequences.

If you look at the episodes she co-wrote/storyboarded in AT such as Incedium, Burning Low, and Hot to The Touch, you can see Rebecca trying to create a tragedy romance for Finn since she wanted him to suffer the real life consequences of romance. Finn even cries in Hot to Touch but all he gets is regret and heartache at the end of the episode.

Steven is the opposite though. All he has to do is cry and throw a tantrum and everything goes his way. Sure his "feelings" are hurt in the moment, but eventually the universe bends over backwards to mollycoddle and pamper him. Finn does not and did not get the same treatment, especially from Rebecca.
>TL;DR
Finn is the child forced to be an adult, who has to live in the real world and suffer debilitating consequences no matter how hard he tried to avoid them. Steven is the child pretending to be an adult who doesn't suffer any lasting negative consequences and at worst gets his feelings hurt only for him to be absolutely spoiled rotten after his tantrum.

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it was purposeful slow gay indoctrination.First season is a fun monster of the week cartoon about aliens (or atleast tried to be). They got the viewers hooked then slowly started adding in more and more gay until you get the show you see today.

Rebecca Sugar is a propagandist first and an artist second.

>CN Australia gets even worse censorship than CN UK and they still aired this episode while CN UK skipped this episode

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SJW artists love raping their husbandos

>It's the "Steven is a gary stu" argument again.

Steven wins because Steven has better arguments than his opponents can provide. He beats them through kindness and love, patience and compassion, not manipulation. Cynics don't understand that though, it's too big of a blow to their worldview.

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Sad

>never being masculine is just being confident in your masculinity
Are you retarded?

I guess it does just because the outfit, honestly, looks horrible on Steven. If the kid ever wants to be a trap he should NOT try anything like that. But I found Sadie's situation oddly relateable even if my family's never done that.

It’s not like there is a lot of competition

Steven manipulates people all the time. Remember he went to home-world banking on him being able to trick the Diamonds into believing he was Pink and that familial relationships would win in the end. I'll admit he was right but that in the end he won more on nepotism and narcissistic guilt tripping like his mother did. You can preach love, compassion, and all the feelgood stuff you want but that doesn't instantly change someone's mind like it does for Steven. He instantly changes a person's worldview that has been set in stone for ages in less than 5 minutes by screaming at them, not only is that unrealistic but also shows how Steven isn't really being challenged. Change takes time and even then it's not a one and done scenario like it's portrayed in SU. Rebecca Sugar knows this because we see the exact opposite where preaching peace, tolerance, and forgiveness doesn't get you what you want when she wrote/story-boarded for Adventure Time.

Listen I understand if you need SU to give you an unrealistic fantasy where everyone agrees with you and hangs on to your words like gospel. It's the quintessential power fantasy we see in anime all the time and Sugar's just aping it. However pretending that it's an avant-garde masterpiece when we know Sugar doesn't believe in these aspects from her work on SU (or Pug Davis) is just being Yea Forumsntrarian.

It really is. Steven and people trying to emulate/believe in him are going to crash and burn when they have to step outside of their rose-tinted bubble into the real world.

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Learn to Believe in Steven

Steven never got anything handed to him on a silver platter. He had to deal with his mom's baggage, the Crystal Gem's baggage and his own insecurities/ failings to grow as a character and do what needed to be done. The entire show is basically him dealing with consequences.

Your argument falls apart when comparing AT to SU. Rebecca worked on one and entirely created the other from scratch with its own rules, morals and escapist fantasy tones (which grew over time as Rebecca became less cynical). I also never said SU is a masterpiece so I don't know where you're getting that from. I simply don't feel the need to justify liking some that has flaws. They don't stop me from loving the show (and Steven as a character) and I'm a better person because it exists.

>Believe in a fake cult leader that apes the worst parts of Christianity.
>Especially when all he does is get others to fight his battles and bubble them until they fall in line because the plot demands everyone agree with him.
Don't drink the Kool-Aid man, it's bad for you.

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May Lord Steven strike him down.

So you're saying Steven can hurt and kill people when they don't agree with him? Now I definitely can't believe in him, he's a hypocrite.

He’ll change your mind. So hard. You’ll be bleeding.

reminder than finn is not a virgin

Steven didn't decide to keep Peridot and Bismuth bubbled, the Crystal Gems did. Guess who it was who released them?

Steven unbubbled Peridot because he needed information on homeworld originally, she was just kept unbubbled because he needed to build her trust. Rose/PD bubbled Bismuth and Steven bubbled her again for not agreeing with his ideals, he only unbubbled her for a plot contrivance and it only worked because the plot demanded it to. If I was a soldier who killed people and watched my friends die or be mutilated into abominations all for a lie, I wouldn't immediately laugh it off.

Plus Sugar can't make up her mind if Gems can think/remember time passing when they're bubbled. Bismuth acted like she had all this time to think/be brainwashed into Steven's thinking when before we saw that bubbling effectively puts you into a non-thinking/dreaming coma. Sure just another plot hole in the swiss cheese storyline of SU but that doesn't refute anything I've said.

What. Never in the series has bubbling been contradicted. What are you talking about? Bismuth picked up where she and Steven left off when she was unbubbled. You've forgotten literally everything about the show.

>it only worked because the plot demanded it to.
Seriously what in the fuck was up with that?
What he told her should have made her even madder especially when coupled with her friends just going along with her being bubbled again instead of talking to her about it. That shit made no sense whatsoever.

Ugh sounds edgy. Are you sure you're talking about Steven or Sasuke from Naruto? To be fair with how much shit they got away with and people cult worshiping them like you are right now, it's not that hard to get them confused.

This was literally addressed in the episode. She was ashamed because she attacked the CG's leader and felt less of a crystal gem because of it. She understood why the gems didn't let her out.

Not really in fact it proves the opposite. Sugar was given free reign on how she wanted her episodes to play out in AT back when it was considered episodic without a concrete continuity. In fact the introductory Flame Princess Arc along with the Marcy & Simon arcs were her own creation which actually set up the majority of the concrete lore/background of several characters. Muto might be subversive but he's isn't a control freak that would/could rebuke and stop Sugar from doing anything in her episodes. Yes she didn't make AT but she wasn't a poor, abused, and victimized story boarder who had to write tragedies because big bad Muto told her to.

Also yes your right she made it an escapist fantasy but not because of a lack of cynicism. It's because Steven is an expy for her little brother. So both IRL and in show, Steven will always win because of nepotism rather than any morals/rules because he's a special bloodline MC who everyone has to agree with.

Your cynicism is cute. I even believed that you mean what you said for a second, but ultimately you're just posturing. You don't believe any of it.

Yep, he sure changed your mind. What a hero.

F-I-N-N-C-E-L

Ha!

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She talks and says she had time to think about it and that she's over it now because being in her bubble let her get over it. Honestly I for once I'll make an appeal to emotion over logic, Bismuth's treatment disgusts me. It sets the precedence that trauma can be fixed by putting people into solitary confinement/coma until they agree with you and can be considered "cured".

No? I have the transcript right here. Nowhere does she say she had time to think about it.

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Based

And in regard to why she was only unbubbled recently by Steven. The only instance of someone being imprisoned without being bubbled (Pink) is treated as horrible abuse, so you're wrong there too.

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No matter how badly you want to twist Steven into some manipulative character you'll never be able to find a solid argument behind the shit with possessing Lars (which he also apologized for and learned from).

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That makes even less sense because she would have been in the right all this time with the Rose/PD reveal. The entire rebellion was set up that the Diamonds are not immortal and can be shattered. Even if she didn't know it Bismuth was following PD's lie to attack the diamonds. Plus it's not like other Gems haven't attacked Steven and were given more of a free pass, look at Peridot & Lapis. Even Amethyst and Pearl has done worst shit to Steven and other CGs but they haven't been bubbled.

And finally, context for what I just said. Just stop now, you've run out of options. Let the thread die and move on.

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Pink wasn't an enemy and killing a Diamond provoked the wrath of the others and brought about the corruption. Bismuth was wrong and Pink knew that which is why she had to be stopped. As for Amethyst and Pearl, they're broken people who became better. This isn't Jasper who's gung-ho on doing Steven harm. Pearl didn't throw Steven off a cliff, she was too traumatised to go after him.

>Pink wasn't an enemy
I'm talking in general here, by the way. Rose was fighting herself so obviously Bismuth didn't know Pink's true intentions.

>father stays in sons life
>everything seems to turn out alright

what did they mean by this

I guess Rebecca has a great relationship with her dad.

Not that user, but Steven apologizes for reviving Lars, not for possessing him in a previous episode.

He scored where the show should’ve ended. Mortal Recoil

He gave Lars 2 apology cards.

Read the thing again, the part about asking permission.

That apology was actually something I remembered, but Steven clearly learned his lesson. I'll go look up the transcript for New Lars and see what i can find.

*misremembered

Uh...Yeah I know Bismuth didn't think Rose was PD because the only CG who knew was Pearl. However with the war being a lie and the corruption happening all Rose/PD had to do was reveal that it was just a hoax, a stupid tantrum because she didn't get her way. Steven literally gets the Diamonds to "change" by guilting them because they drove PD to suicide via murdercock.

Also since emotions and feelings are all Steven really cares about I wasn't just talking about the physical acts of violence. Amethyst emotionally torturing Greg via shape-shifting, Pearl lying to fuse with Garnet, etc. Yes I know, "he forgave them" but honestly these actions were far more heinous than Bismuth believing the dogma that Pink/PD shoved down her throat knowing it was a lie. They planned this shit above, Bismuth literally was just following orders/the nature she was told to do.

To be honest the Rose/PD reveal ruins most of the shows themes about rebellion, free will, etc. In the end the CGs never really fought against the Diamonds since they were just being puppeted by one the entire time.

Pink gave up her privilidge to rebel, so no the themes are just fine. The gems served Rose, not Pink Diamond. Please stop making shallow bad faith takes.

Here we go

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Finnis cuck Steven is chad

It's not a shallow nor a bad faith argument. You're arguments about privilege don't hold merit because of her "rebellion". She didn't feel respected nor cared for, all of her "privilege" was just a cage to her. She despised it and saw it as holding her back. You act as if she was torn up and grieving that she gave up her throne when in actuality she was jubilant to do so since it freed her from the responsibilities of being a Diamond along with her being able to LARP as her own fairytale. She faked her own death to escape and also hurt the Diamonds like she felt they hurt her by treating her like a child. Everyone but Pearl served Rose (based on a lie) but even then they were controlled by the machinations of a diamond even if they didn't know it. Stop trying to sweep the issues of the show under the rug, it only makes the show look worse and it's fanbase as rabid fanatics who see SU as a perfect show that can't do wrong.

Bad faith arguments are made when someone deliberately misinterprets something to make the subject in question seem worse. I.E. The thing you're doing. And we're back to the "HURRRR YOU THINK SU IS PERFECT" thing again.

I win. You lose. Ta ta user, you've no arguments left and I'll see you in the next thread since you're getting no more of my free time without actually paying me. Stay mad at SU's writing award and the constant praise it gets for its handling of the twist by people in the media who actually know what they're talking about and aren't some cynic with an axe to grind.

Bye

Shipping these 2 so hard.

Nice ragequit but you proved yourself wrong. You didn't refute any of my points and you just admitted that we'll be at this again next thread and I'll get more of your free time in that thread.
>Thinking this is about winning and losing.
WhereDoYouThinkYouAre.jpg

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>Then other people saw it and started doing tribe shit on their own.
why are people so retarted?

People like to compete I guess

>>father stays in sons life
>>everything seems to turn out alright
>what did they mean by this
Greg's existence is why I can't agree with people who claim SU is anti-male. If it was the Gems would be always shown as in the right and Greg would be the classic bumbling sitcom dad, but he's one of the most reasonable and mature characters in the show.
In fact I'd argue that SU is hardly "SJW propaganda" at all. Yeah there's the gay shit but if it did have a feminist agenda would the Gem Matriarchy be portrayed as fucked up as it is?

A true hero who gives his son better life advice than any thousand year old being.

>gets laid
Raped.

Can Steven be fat and a chad at the same time? I mean, the chubby shota chasers need some new fap fuel to fap to and timeskip Steven seems to be a nice mix of both.

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Coop from Megas XLR was a Chad.

Steven Doms Finn

Still not sure why

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This was a better ending for Finn than what they did to the poor lad

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Yet that was only made apparent when jasper arrived on the scene and sparked garbet so hard that ruby and sapphire had to split to try and divide the ass pain. Prior to that garnet was just cool quiet square mom.

that's a toxic reality Finn dreamed up. a damsel in distress wife and a power complex with all the pillow citizens needing him every moment?

What a psychopath

A heroic adventurer wanting to feel genuinely needed and loved instead of just being dumb muscle/entertainment for a sociopathic monarch and dickhead friends that drop him all the time? What an asshole right?

He sure is. No wonder he dies alone.

"people" who unironically watch stephen universe should be put to death

You do know he was being sarcastic right?

Who do you think consumes all the fat old men porn?