Watchmen

Daily Reminder that DC violated the contract.

They're supposed to pay Moore royalties for all merchandise, but in 1986 they made and sold buttons without paying Moore a cent.

When Moore pointed out that DC was violating the contract, their excuse was "These are promotional materials, so they don't reeeeeeeally count as merchandise".

DC has been violating the contract since the very beginning.

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Yeah, heard that too. DC really is a raccoon trying to get away with shady stuff.

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Jurgens used to bring up his idea of Superman fighting a massive monster for 22 pages and then dying at every Superman writers retreat for a few months until everyone caved in and did Death of Superman.

At one of Marvel writers retreats, Millar asked why Avengers don't have any big sellers like Spider-Man or Wolverine, you know like JLA does. He passed on the idea of writing such a team but a few months later New Avengers was released.

What I'm saying is there's absolutely no way of knowing who and why brought up the idea of "Superman fighting Dr Manhattan because he's responsible for Geoff Johns making edgy comics" and who and why decided to approve it. Maybe it was supposed to be a prank but everyone was in a really good mood that day

People who think or expect Watchmen should never be touched again are idiots. At the end of the day it's a superhero comic.

Alex Alonso said (or maybe Quesadilla) if they had the rights to Watchmen they'd have done it within 5 or 10 years of the original.

It's a reddit tier opinion and if people didn't know about how salty Alan Moore is (about everything) then they'd happily say "More Watchmen please"

Ok, makes sense. But i still think a sequel would be more interesting than an old "who would win manhatten or superman" idea. Is John so edgy than hungry for a footprint in DC history?

nothing is sacred when it comes to the pursuit of the almighty dollar.

Ok, is Watchmen the comic with the most parodies or hommages now?

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Correct. The only requirement is that it adds something. More like Terminator 2 than Terminator Genysis!

Since Moore stole from others or made sequel stories, its not.

I can't think of a single good reason to use the content again outside of referencing it in a different story to make a point. It's like trying to incorporate Bertie from Under Two Flags into your novel. For what purpose? May as well reference the work or make a fascimilie.

We’re seeing two god damned sequels to the watchmen yet neither one has humanity make it into space, which was the mother fucking point of the squid monster. Whatever let’s see how attrocious HBOs wokemen can get

You are half right. Sometimes a continued story isnt important anymore.
Who wants to know how a retired Bill Clinton lives now?
And considering Watchmen, an open ending is sometimes better left open to keep the tension or fantasy of readers.
But you could make story how the world looks after that, maybe how to keep status quo. Or make it a parable of today and how planning can backfire.

>squidmonster
>into space
What? No, it was about unify all nation against a common enemy. In general that usa and russia stops fighting with another and join forces against an alien.

Yeah but where did Ozy intend that enemy to be? It’s just head canon but I always imagined he’d attempt to spearhead some more funding to nasa or any space agency to establish a foothold in space to “prevent” another attack of this nature. Maybe make it kind of like Star ship troopers where they have the veneer of a peaceful utopia while waging war across space.

why DIDN'T watchmen deserve a sequel?
there was so many unanswered question and its such a universe theres no reason to not revisit it.

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What are the unanswered questions? The reason all Watchmen sequels/prequels suck is because everything interesting was already done in the main story, The only question left is whether Ozy's plan works or if Rorshach's journal blows it up, and that question is one that isn't supposed to be answered.

Thats a good idea.
But i think they mentioned its an interdimensional threat. Thats why it beamed than landed in a spaceship.
But interesting, never thought about it that an alien would be more plausible than interdimensional alien. But i guess building a spacecraft is too big than manhatten technology.
Kudos to Moore thinking it that way.

Obvious questions are
>Did they read Rorschachs Journal?
>What did Manhatten mean with creating life?
>Did the Us and Russia stop the war?
>Could Veidt keep the new peace, Manhatten: "It never truly end"

And than you have the question what is the alternate history after that now? What are new obstacles they could fear with the new peace?

I know what story i would write. I dont know if this would be fanfiction-tier but i know alot of plothooks to make a 12 issue mini-series.

What would Watchmen be like if it were an Amalgam comic?

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Either you take Ultimate universe, since its like alternate mcu like watchman is alternate charltonuniverse/dcu.
Or you take EarthX.

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It wasn't just Moore. Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster created Superman. When they got drafted to fight in WW2, DC offered to hold onto the rights to Superman until they got home. After the war ended and they came back home, DC was like "yeah, we're going to hold onto the rights anyway."

Watchmen + Earth X = X-Watch? In a world where everyone suddenly gains superpowers, Cold War tensions begin to re-escalate after the power imbalance of (Captain Atom + (Mister Molecule maybe?) is no longer a factor.

things like these is why fiction becomes boring, wanna keep diggin every single plotline, theres no imagination, no thinking just GIB MORE.

Somebody made a fan comic about the two dogs Rorschach killed.

>hold onto
What? Why should they give away their rights?
Or were rights different than and not easy proofable?

Yellow mask man bad killing dindus the series.

I hope Mime and Marionette at least get a mini series or an ongoing. Funnest things to come out of Doomsday Clock and I hope they don't fade into obscurity.

Noone said, ww2 was enough action and horror we dont need any wars. Stil vietnam, afghanistan and irac happened.
Some heroes dont have any interesting stories happening afterwards, sometimes there is still enough material.
For Watchmen it doesnt mean the exact same characters or team, only the setting.

those war sequels succked
sooooooooooooooooo

>Alex Alonso said (or maybe Quesadilla) if they had the rights to Watchmen they'd have done it within 5 or 10 years of the original.

It was Brevoort who said that, and it wasn't intended as a positive statement.

Which Marvel characters were amalgamated with Charlton characters (and Black Canary)? Now imagine analogues to them.

I'll look it up, but in one of those lenghty interviews he did with Padraig he explained it a bit. From what I can recall, while the Watchmen movie was in production DC used Dave Gibbons as a proxy to run ideas by Moore and get his approval of them (even if the approval was a "eh, whatever" sort of reply). At one point they offered him the rights to Watchmen back if he agreed to let DC make prequels and sequels to it, and he refused. But DC suddenly broke that impasse and made Before Watchmen. So Moore thinks that DC's legal team must have found some loophole they could exploit so that they didn't need his implied consent anymore. He desisted from taking them to court because of course WB can throw armies of lawyers at him and he doesn't have the time or resources to fight them, so he adopted his posture of "fuck this shit, I'm out, it's no longer my concern."

From what I can tell, none of the Charlton characters got Amalgamated.

If true, that sounds horryfying. I bet they know Moores mindset and the only loophole they have is "He dont has the army and money to battle us".
Guess his only way to be a thorn is to "ah, whatever", so nothing they put out has a approval of him, nefative nor positive.

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Are you sure? No Atom or The Question?

There's Big Question, but he's a mix of Kingpin and Riddler.

I am using marvunapp.com/list/amalgamd.htm as a reference.

You are right, i looked some up on wikipedia, no character from charlton, not even blue beetle. while fire and ice got amalgamated!

He had a Watchmen prequel in mind with the Minutemen and he probably might have done a sequel but the way DC treated him just really soured the entire property for him.

Why the fuck would you want to read anything Watchmen not written by Alan Moore though? His writing and Gibbons' art is what made the original so popular, if you take both of them out of the equation you have practically nothing.

>If the trade is out of print, Moore gets the rights back

Is this actually true?

Why would Moore be allowed to own the IPs for characters that Steve Ditko created?

Make them up then.

Captain Atom + Molecule Man, or maybe Radion.

because Wein and Giordano told him to make palate swaps of those characters.

Ok,
Blue Beetle + The Beetle = The Blue Beetle

Understandable.

Rorschach is as much of a copy of the Question as Batman is a copy of the Shadow.

Its a little bit more than just palette swap.

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Given the DC side is all Charlton characters, the Marvel side should be Timely Comics characters.

Question (Vic Sage) + Mister E (Victor Jay)

meant for And its said that it was in the contract and Moore hoped to get them back.

Nightshade + Sun Girl = Eclipse

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And you headcanon isn't the point of anything, dipshit.

But Timely is just early MarvelComics, while Charlton are bought and integrated characters.
So logically it would be Malibu Comics.

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They did amalgamate Blue Beetle with Yellowjacket, into Blue Jacket.

Really? Nice

impotence bump

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>Tintin
>Watchmen
Nice

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That's why this series has never been outright advertised as a sequel and is just called "Watchmen". It's only a work "based on" Watchmen, an adaptation using elements of Watchmen for its backstory, even if that effectively means a sequel.

It's like how Doomsday Clock also isn't a sequel, because it's just a DC vs Watchmen crossover even though it takes place afterwards. So, yeah, loopholes.

The HBO creator has said himself that it isn't a sequel. It seems that they all don't want to step on Moore's toes, since he's constantly mentioned hating anyone else working on Watchmen. Yet he doesn't do anything for it either. And never will, now that he's a retired old fag.

That makes sense. As long its not named as a sequel you have to debate if DC just use the characters they own through contract or the characters Moore created.
Guess it will be a never ending battle in court.

Sounds lke a cold watchman war. How ftting for Watchman.

As soon as he dies, his creative properties will be in the hands of Gaiman and the other guy. Then we'll get more stuff. Before Watchmen, Watchmen itself, and fanfictions can only feed my obsession for as many years as it has. I'm a patient person, but it's starting to get annoying.

Shit not creative properties. I meant approval. I don't think Gaiman leans on Watchmen as much since he has many other good works on his side.

Blue Jacket was only mentioned in the letters page, though.

Fawcett and Quality Comics characters got merged with Marvel characters for Amalgam (like Captain Marvel and Captain Marvel) so it probably wouldn't have to be Malibu (since they were only briefly placed in the Marvel Multiverse).

Before Watchmen is proof that Watchmen without Alan Moore is just stupid. Alan Moore could probably tell a good follow up story in the Watchmen universe, or a prequel, but anyone else doing it is just doing it for the sake of fanservice. The garbage DC has been releasing in the "Watchmen Universe" is proof that they really should have left it alone.

This art style is phenomenal.

Every time

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Yeah you don't see something like that too often.

But then what was the point? If he wanted to unify the world against an enemy how was he going to propose to fight the enemy? Ozy did an evil thing for the "right" reasons but then whats the next step? Because having it all come crashing down harder in less than ten years in doomsday clock or whatever this new white people are the cause of all evil shit from the new show nothing but negative changes in to short a time. I don't know what Alan moore wanted out of watchmen all we know is that he's never going to get it

>Ok, is Watchmen the comic with the most parodies or hommages now?

Impossible. Superman has the most.