Do you ship them together?

Brie?

I ship Peni x My manmeat

HE LOOKS LIKE HE FUCKS GWENS

when i saw the barefoot Peter B. Parker strapped on to their chair, i kind of wished Liv tickled him.

>But they have no attraction to each other.

Logic would dictate that in a multiversal setting, if there's a universe where Peter is a cartoon pig then out there somewhere is a universe where Peter and Liv are in love. Maybe he convinced her to stop being a villain and together they fight crime at night and do super science during the day.

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No, I ship him with MJ, happy together like they should be.

So be honest with me.

Is most of the praise this movie gets simply due to the fact that Miles is black and Peter is a fat useless white dude?

No, it's because it's the best Spider-man film.

She fucks him as payback for May dumping her.

She gonna rub that belly for a free wish?

It feels like you don't want to answer my question you just want to tell me your opinion.

Yes or no to the following or fuck off
>Is Peter fat in the whole film
>is Peter shown to be less than enough on his own
>is femme-ock a good guy?
>does Peter save the day
>is miles shown to be the better Spider-Man?

It's really that simple. The false idea that anybody can be Spider-Man already has me under the impression this is more about messaging than quality. Not everyone can be Spider-Man.

So please just yes or no to the stuff and I'll know whether to waste my time or not.

Sure thing.
>>Is Peter fat in the whole film
No. He's out of shape, but only shown as this fat in this scene.
>>is Peter shown to be less than enough on his own
No. He's shown doubting himself and making some shit choices in life. Once he sees Miles' Universe's MJ he realizes what he's missing out on, and steps it up.
>>is femme-ock a good guy?
No.
>>does Peter save the day
Yes, but with the help of all the others too
>>is miles shown to be the better Spider-Man?
No, he's very much shown to still be learning.

We need more art/porn of Liv.

fuck off you spoonfed faggot

>>Is Peter fat in the whole film
It's implied he gets better at the end and gets back together with his MJ. He's the divorced sad dad Spiderman, not 616 Peter.
>>is Peter shown to be less than enough on his own
Not really, Miles is more like a sidekick and he's equal to the other spiders
>>is femme-ock a good guy?
No
>>does Peter save the day
Yes, along with the rest of the spiders
>>is miles shown to be the better Spider-Man?
No, that's Noir

>Technically no
>Not really, everything would have gone fine if miles chose to not show up
>No
>He prepared miles to save the day
>Not really

...that's a thing?

Yes and no. Two Peter's, overweight one isn't hampered by it.
No.
No.
Not really? They team up to save the day together, that's how ensembles work.
No.

You sound like a whiner anyway though, so I hope you don't watch it.

Imagine getting a handjob with Liv's octopus machine arms

I can imagine them getting a bit kinky.

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Mnnngghhhhghggg

very much a thing. probably the most popular pairing of her. it's an in-joke since (male) doc ock married aunt may in an old comic once, and may is voiced by a lesbian.

he's gonna stay fat. already got that dad bod.

>Peter is a fat useless white dude
Did you watch the movie? Despite being old and out of shape, he's still very competent.

Appreciate it.

You may dislike me but I'm not sitting through another Fury Road where I'm told it's amazing and the best of the series and really it's just the messaging that people liked.

That's not spoonfeeding faggot it's asking for honesty. Spoonfeeding is the retard asking where they start reading a numbered list of comics.

If you could read you would understand that I have not. As in that's literally why I'm asking.

Why would you ask if someone has seen a film when they're asking if it's worth watching?

>Faggot who sees life through /pol/ is retarded
I am shocked

I just love Liz and want to see her happy.

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It's a French soft cheese
I like to pair it with fig slices on a charcuterie board.

You can't even use punctuation and you're calling others retarded?

Kill yourself faggot.

>if I say faggot I'll fit in

I mean he does commit suicide by cop in that one possible future

Same fag. How pathetic.

Is Peter mpreg?

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What’s the deal with conservative victims lately?

>with this ring I thee-
what did he mean by this

Whats the deal with redditards like you?

This is cute

The term is samefag and nice try faggot but nah.

>wanting to be told why people actually like something rather than why they think others may like it is being a victim
Nah. I just have no interest in wasting my time on faggot shit that's praised simply for existing. As I said wth fury road that shit was a waste of time Ive been told was amazing and the best in the series and it was garbage.

congrats, this is the most braindead thing i've read all day.

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If you're saying faggot and you aren't a /pol/lack type you're honestly just being a contrarian fuck who's trying to fit in.

What's braindead about it? That implies stupidity. It appears you just dislike what user has said.

>Caring about gay politics so much you can't enjoy fury road
Nobody is actually like this right?

There's nothing "good" about it. Nick Hoult's character is insufferable, the "villain" is just the epitomization of toxic masculinity, Tom hardy might as well have been a mannequin, and the "action" was just people who looks like farts driving.

I honestly assume the only people who like it day dream about taking down the patriarchy and going to burning man.

>believing thing people liked about fury road was the message
unfortunately the world (internet) is full of simpletons like this

With her vagina? Around his dick?

So now even the most inane shipping threads are getting derailed by butthurt conservatives?

Welcome to the future the mods have chosen, where traffic is more important than having boards stay on topic.

If you like spider-man you’re going to hate it, if you don’t you’re going to like it. It’s as simple as that

You seem to be pretty butthurt that user asked why it was good. How fragile is your psyche that you have breakdowns over someone asking why something is good?

No it's not it's cope and onions.

I ship Liv with anybody she can tie to a chair and give forced tentacle jobs too.

This is frankly what I assumed but judging by what others said I honestly figured I'd check it out.

Seeing that they clearly do think Fury road was good though kinda makes me thing they were lying and the messaging is going to be pretty obvious.

People liked it because of cars you sped, only intellectual midgets addicted to outrage highs seriously think anyone gave a shit about toxic masculinity
Get your advanced autism out of our regular shipping autism, nerd

Plus Liv/May were confirmed to be friends

>it's good cause I say so
>I felt it was bad and think you just appreciate the messaging
>but I said it was good so you're retarded
Can't you just admit that just because you don't mind doesn't mean others may? For years black people complained about being butlers or servants and they were right. Messaging matters.

I liked fury road but hated ITSV, so take that as you will

>sped
>autism
>nerd
Again. If you find /pol/lacks so terrible why do you insist on talking like one? What are you some fucking militant centrists who thinks everyone else is nuts? Nobody gives a fuck that you think messaging doesn't matter yet still say faggot and retard and shit. You're intentionally putting yourself on an island to feel special.

Interesting. You're still the same user here? Cause you may have just saved me a good two hours.

Did you dislike the animation? Cause I kinda liked it in previews but just hate wasting time to be preached to.

you should probably watch the film. it is one of the best superhero films ever made. more than that, it is one of the best animated films, ever. And even if you stripped out the superhero stuff, and filmed it with live actors, it would still be a damn fine movie about Fatherhood, Regret, and growing up

And you swam through a thousand miles of open water to that island so you could start shitting on the beach and screeching at the people already there

The animation is good, though literally the movie is like every spider-man movie since three in its “everything but the kitchen sink” method of film making. It has set up after set up for sequels. I think it would’ve worked better without the multiverse schtick I think, but Miles is about over writing peter not adding to him. I don’t like what they did to aunt may, turning her into Alfred is a waste, but if they didn’t then the RIPeter being Batman wouldn’t have “worked”. Miles is fine in this compared to the comics because they attempt to give him character but instead of him being blac peter he’s black emmet from the Legi movie. Honestly if it wasn’t for spider Gwen and I would’ve found the movie fine rather than outright offensive but as I said the movie works less the more you like spider-man

I'm still 50/50 on if Spiderverse or The Incredibles is the best animated superhero movie of all time.

Your analogy is terrible. Firstly I said you're on an island. That means you're alone. Secondly you're the one yelling at the rest of the land masses.

Sincerely, are you mentally challenged?

You've saved me a lot of time. Thank you user.
>it is one of the best superhero films ever made
This is specifically the line I hear over and over that makes me think it's the messaging people appreciate.

What makes it the best superhero film?

legitimate retard

>it's the messaging people appreciate
fuck off retard lmao
just fucking watch it, it's not that long

Why is it always Peter? Why is there no art of Doc Ock tentacle raping Miles?

Explain to me why I should watch it. What makes it the best superhero film ever?

Have you seen the movie? Why do you think

Because Miles has no relationship with any of spider-mans villains

>retard
Whoa bigot. Chill.

>Explain to me why I should watch it.
You can watch it for free online and make your own judgement. Do you visit Yea Forums to only complain about things you don't like instead of watching/reading Yea Forums shit?

>
I think i had this same conversation with my nephew, after we watched the first episode of The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina. you teen boys don't like smug female characters, when they are also in positions of power. Pretty much why so many Star Wars fanBOYs freaked out about Admiral Holdo, in The Force Awakens. Holdo was a smug bitch, who had every right to do what she did.

but, if Furiosa were a man, you would stand up and cheer. if Holdo were a man (or at least put on a uniform) you wouldn't question his decision.

I bet that if Miles were White, or Asian, you wouldn't ever think to ask if Into The Spiderverse is good. you would already have seen it. White men are "normal" to you. anything else has to prove it is worth your time.

Because people are afraid of having good faps

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Yes. It pisses off twitter.

Jesus fucking christ. I guess since you're being useless I'll rephrase.

>Explain to me why I should watch it rather than watching something else or reading something else

I spend enough on comics literally every Wednesday to not give a fuck what some pirating faggot thinks about my habits.

Explain why the movie is worth my time rather than reading or watching something else. If it's the best capeshit ever I shouldn't miss that but I'd like to know why it's the best capeshit ever to avoid wasting my time based on people loving messaging rather than the film.

MNNGNGM HMM GYGGH I WANT LIV IN MY BED GOD FUCKING DAMN

>admiral holding was a bitch who has the right to do everything she did
Like wipe out the rebellion she was allegedly leading?

If miles were white he wouldn’t have gotten a movie user

>if Holdo were a man (or at least put on a uniform) you wouldn't question his decision
Hmm, if the movie did a better job of presenting Holdo as an authority figure, viewers would take her more seriously as an authority figure? You don't say.

>if holdo were a man
oh no you don't, rian you slimy cunt

It's a fucking movie. You're not busy enough to not watch a movie, especially if you're shitposting on Yea Forums about whether or not to watch a movie. You're the biggest retard.

Fat useless white dude Peter is basically the best character in the movie

>but, if Furiosa were a man, you would stand up and cheer. if Holdo were a man (or at least put on a uniform) you wouldn't question his decision.

You're imagining shit. The Fury road film was mediocre and boring. It has nothing to do with furiosa that I disliked it. She was, however, the only reason it was praised (and the message that women and their beautiful altruist compassion can save us all)

You're deciding I didn't like it because "women stink!" I didn't like it because it sucked. Seems people enjoy that mediocre boring mess simply because a you feel you get to say "men hate strong women".

As if they imagine everyone that hates it is the same type of person as the film's villain.

Not to mention he could just read a review from the HUNDREDS of actual reviewers who have seen the movie and provided analysis of it.

> do cock

Why do you refuse to accept that someone doesn't want to watch a film?

What makes this so?

>She was, however, the only reason it was praised (and the message that women and their beautiful altruist compassion can save us all)
Want to know how I know you haven't seen the movie

>Why do you refuse to accept that someone doesn't want to watch a film?
I don't care if you don't watch it or not. You're just a massive retard and I'm pointing it out for everyone. lmao

DESU, conservatives are losing the culture war pretty badly. Taking an America-centric view (because I live there): Just had a Black man win the Presidency, twice; gay marriage; gays in the military; Organic, Zero-emmission, and Earth-friendly have gone from being esoteric hippie jargon to industry buzzwords; more characters in media are female, nonwhite, and non-Christian.

what you are seeing in the rise of Hard Right politics and Populist Fascism is just the last gasp of a worldview that has been unchallenged for the last 50 years. Obviously no one is persecuting conservatives, but a lot of their ideas are getting tossed into the garbage

watch it and find out lol

But they all praise the message. That's literally why I don't trust them. They said Fury road was amazing and it was terrible. A fart in a blanket.

Is this some long con bait? Seriously. Who unironically refers to reviewers?

okay... what do you mean, "messaging"? someone took a black character and wrote a movie around him. if the movie makes black people look sympathetic, or at least relatable, how is that "messaging" and not "just what happens when you write a movie about someone?"

Listen user, not all reviewers just mindlessly praise "messages", as you put it. There are plenty of well worded and rational reviews for this and other movies.

I don't know but it makes this place really fucking annoying to read through. Every fucking thread with this faggotry

I know you're trolling but I've got some time to kill. Who unironically refers to reviewers you ask? Most everyone, or anyone with even the most basic idea of how reviews work. When 95% of the hundreds of people paid to review movies say a movie is great, I'm more often than not going to take their word for it. When they give a synopsis of why the movie is great, from both a technical and artistic standpoint, I'm going to trust their reviews, and if it doesn't turn out to be accurate I'll be less likely to listen to their reviews in the future.
Your compulsive need to show how contrarian you are isn't endearing but rather quite sad.

You sound like a shill frankly.

Lol what?

That's a very shilly thing to do. Why do you care that everyone thinks I'm "retarded"? I literally questioned messaging and in being innundated by literal faggots about how that's insane while they refuse to tell me why this film is good let alone the best capeshit ever.

Nah. It seems pretty clear the message is all that was worth praising and if I disagree with it or enjoy vanilla Spider-Man i'm gonna be bored

You can simply read the thread.

It really just seems like you're tourist here.

Nobody gives a fuck about reviewers.

Can you link me to one?

it is a superhero movie. it centers on a loser getting super powers, identifying with a hero, and learning to be a hero, himself. like... every other origin-story superhero movie.

just, all the stuff that makes a really great movie are in there. and the superheroics are done very well
...making it a great superhero movie...

what are you asking?

Alright you ESL retard take your bullshit to Yea Forums, no one believes you're arguing in good faith.

Dude if you just take the movie as is, it’s about a white man who the audience is supposed to think is the “wrong” version of a character killed off replaced by a black kid being trained by a mensch. It’s pretty god damned bold and it’s not even subliminal messaging hilariously enough. The forced pairing of Miles and Gwen, now that was subliminal messaging

I claimed you were baiting so now I'm a troll?

You faggots are insufferable.

Youve already wasted more time (you)ing anons than it would have taken you to watch the film. I cant believe people dont realize how disingenuous youre being.

Here's your reply

>You sound like a shill frankly.
and you're off your meds

can I say... Watching Spider-People punch Liv in the head was really painful. I wish she had a helmet, or something. I mean, she has the long, fine nose, and that lean jaw, and I just think of Peter and the gang caving car doors with their fists

It can't be the best superhero film ever if it's just a run of the mill capeshit flick. So what makes it better than the rest?

There's not a single reason for you to imagine I'm ESL beyond your own autism. I have people literally asking me what the word "messaging" means and I'm the ESL one?

Explain to me why ITSV is great.

my point, exactly

this whole scene gave me the biggest fucking hard-on. jesus christ

Lol try not replying this time

Yes. Because it pisses off twitter and tumblr.

Doc Ock has been getting punched in the face by Spidey long before this movie. All versions of the character can take the punishment just fine.

>literal faggota can't just answer the question
>start LARPing and bringing up TLJ
Good god you faggots are the worst. This board was ruined by literal faggots and shills.

>why is it great
its an animated movie about the spiderverse
Its not like anybody else is making theatre-quality animated films about extended universe nonsense

Imagine how many times she's had to perform surgery on herself after a super knocked her fucking jaw loose or busted her skull

Do you suffer from mental illness

Where was holdo ever in the right? Now I’m a big Star Trek fan and the reason I got annoyed was because she seemed cavalier at the worry and pressure her crew was feeling at their impending doom. She made no attempt to quell or assuage those worries she just belittled because that’s what people think women in power do, you don’t define power yourself by what you stand for or who you stand beside, just who you stand over.

Did you not watch the movie?

No, I ship him and spidergwen. And she seems to as well.

Well, that post took a weird turn.

You don't have to see it, if you don't want to.

It really depends on what you are interested in. I got into it because I was interested in the animation (and Peni, but in the end she is just kind of a background character.) , but I think Miles and Peter B. characters were great.

They are both interesting little failures at the beginning, trying to run away from uncertainties and commitments in their lives. Their interaction is fun if a bit cringy sometimes, but I think they have good chemistry. Although at first I thought Miles might be kind of boy wonder because his new fangle powers, but Peter B really settles into his mentor role about mid film, and its really fun seeing them trade blows as Miles being a quick study and Peter really shows his experience and being kind of a genius in some impressive ways. They both stumble a lot, and I feel like obstacles they encounter are real struggle that they had to work on rather just suddenly having conveniently talented individual at every turn. One of the things I thought was a little unfortunate about force awaken, for example. some of the things resolved by Ray's talent could have been delegated out, so its not just a constant parade of other character being surprised at how talented ray was. Its a little unfortunate that this movie wasn't a total ensemble piece, because frankly the other spider people kind of come across as a bit shallow, beside gwen I sometimes forgot other spider character existed from time to times. I also felt gewn doesn't come across too well think its mainly because they don't have the time to properly developed her character properly. I love the mission impossible scenes at the end though, that was dope.

I kind do, actually.

Man, what kind of things do you want to see them do?

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FEMINISM HAS MURDERED ME AND ACCUSED ME OF RAPE HELP

No he's LARPING as me while replying to himself.

Yes and I didn't have your delusional world view about it. Not everything is a conspiracy you idiot. This coming from someone who believes in those.

>How to spot a redditcuck 101
Thank you for setting the example

the problem with this is that there is not much of an objective standard for judging a movie. and when you are watching it, YOU are not going to use that standard. you are going to judge a film by your emotion.

lots of movies do stupid shit, set up situations and then deliver no pay off, have cheap lazy writing, and a ton of other objective writing flaws. But, they are all comedies, and people fucking love them.

if I write the most beautiful, moving, thought-provoking film about a character you hate, you will hate the film.

now, I am not saying that every movie with a female lead is a great film and people are just butthurt that a man isn't leading the movie. nor am I saying that it is impossible to respect a movie that you didn't enjoy. There are a ton of shit movies staring fantastic actresses (Catwoman, starring Oscar winner Halle Berry). There are movies that are generally hailed as masterpieces that I hated (There Will Be Blood). So, I get it. But you, foul-mouthed person on 4-chan (of all places) shitting on a fantastic movie REALLY makes me suspect that you weren't simply underwhelmed by the cinematography

It has nothing to do with that and everything to do with people desiring peni and Liv

Are you literally dying because a negro exists

Whenever I see her hair all I can think of is how horribly smelly it would be. I have curly hair and if I don't wash it after a few days it starts to smell. If I spent all day outside it collects pollen and makes me sneeze. There's no way that kind of hair she has can ever be washed fully.

All art is propaganda regardless if you agree with it or not. Nothing wrong with it inherently, it’s just frustrating that artists seem proud of it now.

Only person I LARP as is me

>What makes it the best superhero film?
I'm not sure if I can definitely declare it as the best cape movie, but it's easily at least in top-5 for me personally.

Not the user you asked, but:
The main characters are likable, relatable and entertaining. Miles and Peter in particular have good character dynamics together.
The Peter in this movie is experienced, smart and competent despite his slobby appearance, and he's a cool take on the character.
The animation is gorgeous, and full of all kinds of unusual little tricks and freeze-frame details. I could type an essay on just this topic. The way the movie was animated creates its most important rewatch value, and it's worth seeing just for that.
A bunch of moments that pay some kind of homage to the medium of comics: caption boxes, written sound effects, comicbook panels, etc.
Multiverse shenanigans, which I count as a plus because I happen to be fond of them.
Most of the villains get interesting and pretty intimidating takes on them.
Some soundtrack pieces were memorable enough that I ended up downloading them after seeing the movie.
Certain character moments that I'd rather not spoil.
If you watch the movie but end up disliking it, it at least gives you a chance to participate in threads about it with actual input, instead of just repeatedly asking us to tell you what your opinion on the movie should be.

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You can shorten that to Peni and you'll be on it
At least in regards to this hellhole board

why do you say their pairing was forced? Miles is funny and self deprecating. probably good looking, but I am not a great judge of teenage boys. Gwen is confident, open, and smoking hot.

last I checked, teenagers have so many sex hormones thinning their blood, they suffer from oxygen deficiency.

Have you ever felt that someone is controlling your thoughts? Do you see special messages on tv aimed just for you?

Hell yeah

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It’s a pairing that was created by a cuck fetishist backed by an editor who knew it would piss off fans. But as I’ve been saying the movie works best if you don’t like spider-man

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Not me specifically no, but art is about trying to elicit an emotional response in audience without outright stating what they’re trying to make you feel or do. Nothing wrong with that in the slightest, it’s when “art” starts lining up perfectly with the state that things begin to get icky

Honestly kill yourself schizo

Gwen is clearly the best cock receptacle for hobo Spidey.

Do you honestly believe that no Hollywood movies are propaganda? Or that propaganda is just relegated war movies?

Oh and you first

Last time I checked USA had a republican president

Spider-Man is my favorite superhero, I've never been a Miles Morales fan, but I legitimately think Spider-Verse is a good, fun movie.

What does that have to do with this? Propaganda like this isn’t just a matter of “vote for this” it’s more of a “you hate yourself because of your neighbors” we’ve been pit against each other because that makes us easier to control.

you are basically asking what makes a great Superhero movie. if I knew that, I would not be fucking around online, at home. I would be writing scripts

but... the characters all have decent motivations. they have some depth to them, and feel organically integrated with their world. all actions have weight and consequence, both figuratively and literally.

the action is well thought out and well animated. it is also tailored to the mood of the individual scene. Slapstick in silly scenes, deadly in serious scenes.

the themes are baked into everything the characters do, say, and believe. it is a movie about Fatherhood, and Miles has several "fathers". but, you can't have Fatherhood without children, so those men are all dads, in some way, or another. Also, this is an uncommon theme. you never see movies with men being nurturing and vulnerable.

the music is great and perfectly fitting. the animation is unsurpassed. the graphical design is COMPLETELY unique. the dialog is snappy, efficient, and gives every character their own unique voice.

it is also everything internet conservatives bitch about: strong female characters, everyone is fully clothed, loads of minorities, lots of Progressive sociological theory baked into the plot. of course, this is all that stuff done right.

I mean, look at OP's pic. have you ever seen an old lady with frizzy hair, glasses, clothed up to her earlobes, looking so fucking sexy?

Who is a strawman instated by Them during a false election, to promote the persecution of conservatives.

KYS

Eventually yes, but not because a cuck like you couldn’t come up with a proper counter arguement

she is a military commander. Poe is a subordinate in her direct command. She is celebrated for her performance in a difficult battle. He was just demoted for killing several pilots and losing key weapons.

She gave him an order. he refused. She didn't even directly give him an order. She implied that there was a plan and just kindly told him to have faith.

He attempted to bully a superior officer for information he had no right to. he was insubordinate and disrespectful. he should have been thrown in the brig. end of story. When you CO tells you "Jump" you ask "How High?" AS YOU ARE FUCKING JUMPING

No, I support her with Aunt May

What difficult battle is she celebrated for? Since when does a rebellion have such a stringent command structure? What about her “plan” would’ve been thwarted if they knew it ahead of time? Considering that the people on these ships are literally the only people left in the rebellion it seems weird to not let them in on anything.

The moral of the movie seems to be “bad things happen when you don’t blindly follow orders” and that seems to be an odd moral for a Star Wars movie

I am pretty sure that Liv smells. I mean, she is an evil scientist. she just sits in the lab, doing science all day. she probably sleeps at her desk, at least twice a week. doesn't even own a razor... Orders ludicrously complicated drinks from Starbucks and LOSES HER SHIT when someone gets the tiniest detail wrong.

The sugar goes in BEFORE the coffee! if you dump it in afterward, it makes the foam fall!

Star Wars ITSELF has examples of the heroes being heroes specifically BECAUSE they refuse to comply with unlawful actions in the chain of command
That's the entire plot of the campaign in Battlefront II

Propaganda is a pretty specific thing. it is art by the State to advance the State's principles. All art is expression, though. so, you are half right. Yes, it is almost impossible for an artist to avoid putting their ideals and values into their art. part of enjoying art is commiserating with the ideals that art expresses

>it would piss off fans
you assume "fans" are a homogeneous blob. This fan loved it

If her identity wasn't always public, how could she keep it a secret with that kind of hair?

I think it’s when you have so much art being created on a corporate level is where I find it “all” to be propaganda.

You love the pairing of spider Gwen and Miles? Is it a fetish thing or do you just enjoy the argument?

you really should watch the movie again. They introduced her with characters whispering about how famous she was. And times of extreme strife are the very times when you need rigorous organization. just flailing about randomly is the very thing that gets people killed.

And given that the line that signaled Finn's character evolution was "Rebel Scum", I am pretty sure the theme is the opposite of "just follow orders"

>in times of strife you need rigorous organization
Yes especially when that rigorous organization leads to the destruction of your entire fleet and leaves only 12 people left in your army. Hell no one in the rebellion is worth shit in a leadership aspect considering they should’ve fucking won the war thirty years prior.

what is wrong with this movie that makes it so offensive to Spider-Man? I had the exact opposite reaction. this is the perfect encapsulation of Spider-Man, with the realistic webswinging, the constant jokes, the bright colors, the streetwise atmosphere, and everything. this movie is so New York it hurts

I am going to just assume that you are a teenager and haven't learned that lesson. Sorry, but you are wrong. it is fine to buck authority when you have the resources and safety to do that. but when everyone's life is on the line, the guy who just demonstrated a complete lack of respect for other people's lives is the LAST person who gets authority.

also, when someone shows themselves to be irresponsible, arrogant, and impulsive, you do nothing to appease them. Yadda yadda "what does it cost to just tell Poe?" that is not how the world works. You do not appease assholes. that just encourages them to be assholes.

Because it reduces spiderman to be some universal constant instead of just a guy trying to do what’s right. And the movie constantly sabotaged peter to build miles. But as I said it works less the more you like spider-man

I think they are cute characters, and I want them to do cute things? its not that complicated. and they didn't hook up, or anything. the movie had more sense than to just hand Miles a girl as his reward for becoming competent.

also, I am not white, so I don't get triggered when I see white girls hook up with nonwhite guys.

you assume it is a secret. Aunt May recognized her, instantly. I assumed this was Liv's first time wearing the costume in public

Yes because we all watch Star Wars to see how the real world works user. And yes someone who rebels is the last person we want to see in a rebellion. And yes having a character introduced through other characters saying how great she is as a leader is the best and smartest way to introduce them, I mean why bother to SHOW a characters skills when we can be told about them? Obviously the out come of the movie stands to show how good Holdo was at leading a large group of people to victory

Ok I see it you’re just not a spiderman fan and enjoy the fuck whitey aspect of it all. Carry on then.

You are right, to a point. We see very little of the Rebel chain of command, so we assume that Luke, Han, and all are just mavericks bucking the system. The only times I can recall major characters specifically went off on their own was Han barging in on the Death Star battle, in ANH, and Luke taking his X-Wing do Dagoba. In the Prequels, Anakin was shown to be wrong to disobey orders. every time he did it, it slid him further toward the Dark Side.

otherwise, all the actions of the heroes were part of some greater plan. either a plan they were handed by superior commanders, or plans they, themselves, developed.

I think "sabotaged" is a pretty harsh reading. By his own admission, Peter was a fuckup. But, this is why Spider-Man is a more interesting character than Superman. Spider-Man is a character who is flawed, but learns to be better, stronger, wiser, and smarter. that lesson from the fist issue, be better, or the people you love will suffer, is a lesson he is constantly re-learning. Superman, on the other hand, is just perfect and never screws up.

Spiderverse Peter is a flawed man, who is flawed in some specifically masculine ways. He learns to overcome these flaws as a result of agreeing to mentor Miles. He becomes a better person, and proably goes on to fix the life he had fucked up.

I really hate the idea that characters aren't allowed to be normal people. seriously, watching heroes just win all the time is boring, and a little bit dangerous.

Appreciate. Sincerely.

I may hate messaging and that makes faggots hate me but I do appreciate you actually giving me your reasoning.

sure but let's take a third example, say Ahsoka from Clone Wars where she goes on an attack against orders when the situation was wrong for it. She gets her entire squadron killed, she learns to be more mindful, straight forward
In an instance like that, or Anakin rushing Dooku and getting his arm cut off, or Anakin chasing Ventress in Genndywars, all of those are impulsive actions made against reasonable authority commands that lead to consequences. Poe's attack on the Dreadnought at the start is a better example (even though I still think he was in the right because that ship would have absolutely destroyed them all)
Holdo isn't advising the crew to prepare for an unshared plan, or really anything at all. Yularen orders Ahsoka to stand by because circumstances weren't forcing them to act when they didn't and shouldn't need to, Holdo has everyone going ants in their pants because they're quickly running out of fuel and have a huge fleet right on their tails, their chain of command is mostly dead or comatose and the one person they have left refuses to do anything to meaninfully assuage the concerns

And that includes
>it is also everything internet conservatives bitch about: strong female characters, everyone is fully clothed, loads of minorities, lots of Progressive sociological theory baked into the plot. of course, this is all that stuff done right.
You were honest. It's been clear this shit is there but at least you told me more about your view than lying and just saying it's amazing and that I'd have to be nuts to see that messaging. I appreciate you including that and being honest.

why the stark dichotomy? why does it have to be 100% this or 100% that? I have liked Spider-Man since he was on The Electric Company, in the 70's. I watch the cartoons, shows and movies, and play the games. But, I don't read the comics because I really dislike cape comics. But, I keep up with the plotlines because I like Spider-Man. Am I a Spider-Man fan, or not?

I am not White, so I don't viciously defend White identity politics. is that "Fuck Whitey" or not?

Yes and whole sale replaceing popular characters to fill diversity quotas is even more dangerous. Pete is allowed to be a flawed character and I encourage it, but to reduce him to a feckless bitch in order to make Miles look good is not. Fucker is shown to be even more emotionally fragile than a teenage girl (a girl whose back story requires peter to become a school shooter). But it’s about replacing what’s there not building it all together

Shipping and waifufagging are basically the same thing

What makes the Gwen Miles pairing cuck propaganda is because of the history of Gwen Stacy and her relationship with peter. Interracial pairings aren’t always cuck shit obviously but this pairing specifically is

Then why have the gear? Intruders in the lab (Which was already shown)?

Never read Stan Lee before?

no, I just got drawn in by the smell of shitposting

I wrote a few snarky replies (anonymity is great!) but I also understand that respect and honest dialog are way more valuable that dumping salt. I don't want to be an asshole. I don't want to be part of the problem

I also mentioned those things because I have a strong feeling that these elements are honest and valuable. I mean, the phrase "strong female character" has become a sarcastic joke, but not because the concept is stupid. it is because it has been executed sloppily. We have been trained so well that female characters are just incompetent window dressing that when creators try to buck that training, they don't know how. Even Spider-Gwen is a little bit OP, and that annoyed the girls I saw the movie with. But, the other female characters were better balanced.

and, this is what I love about female, nonwhite, non-Christian characters. They are just characters. they are pieces that you can do so many different things with. They don't have a single identity that you can only use in a specific way. just like White male characters, you can mold them to whatever the plot requires.

However, they have a specific flavor, and they lend that flavor to the roles they are placed in. Even straight white guy is a flavor, we just never knew this, because that is all we have been consuming. But, now, we have more pieces to build with, more flavors to mix.

They built all those cars IRL and did all those stunts IRL
You're obviously a femboy that doesn't know how to check his own oil, as an Australian I feel obligated to kick your ass

>Everything is about me and my persecution complex

pretty sure you are over-reacting. Miles does everything but "look good" in this movie. Did you watch the movie? did you miss the scene where he was supposed to do that thing, and screwed it up?

wait... that was 90% of the film... i should be more specific...

>only the two extremes exist.

you have never hung out with creative people, before. they just create. seriously, this shit just oozes out of their ears. you can't talk to an engineer without them dissecting how a fucking salt shaker works. have you ever met a person who plays drums in a band? you would know because they are CONSTANTLY banging rhythms on things.

I bet that octopus suit is the least of the weird shit Liv has in her garage

Do you remember when Pete lost the fight against kingpin? Or when Pete lost the fight against liv and had to be bailed out by Gwen? Or the time when Pete and Gwen lost the fight against Liv (again) and had to be bailed out by miles? The movie requires the destruction of peter to build the rest of the characters.

This "TELL ME WHY I SHOULD WATCH THING" user is the most insufferable faggot cunt I have ever seen holy shit. If you even have friends, they certainly only tolerate you.

I'm confident in knowing I could likely snap your neck with my hands faggot. And being that I'm American I know I can arm myself better if not.

>I can only post on greentext
Learn to write dumbass.

>you are exactly as I say you are
Not him but maybe he just asked a question. Why does he need to not know creative people? Why must you imagine the least of people for just asking something?

Fair point.

Are you happy you got that off your chest ESLfag?

Funny how I eventually got what I wanted because all I wanted was deeper explanation than platitudes.

So are you going to watch it? Because at this point you would’ve finished watching it an hour ago

Another ruined thread

I'm /pol/ and I liked it, it's fine. Miles is a good kid, Peter is the true Spider-Man showing him the ropes, it's a nice story. Quit being sjw-level butthurt all the time you homo.

I don’t know why you’re pretending like you haven’t done the same thing in multiple threads over the past few weeks

okay... but everyone lost, all the time. Yeah, there was that scene where the used Peter's face as a skateboard, while he was unconscious. but there was also a scene where Miles was half-naked, stuck to the side of a building, and chased by pigeons. I am not saying that Peter got beat and had to rely on his team. but to say that the movie framed this as a humiliation of his character is ridiculous.

maybe he is your dear hero, and you can't bear to see him as anything but an alpha Chad who never fails, but absolutely NO depiction of Spider-Man is like this. Spidey is never not a fuckup. He is a normal guy who sucks shit, but is constantly struggling, pushing his limits, and getting better. Again, the theme of Spider-Man is "fail, get up, do better, and overcome."

maybe you are confusing him with Superman, who is hyper competent? or Batman, who fails, but is never, ever, ridiculed? Spider-Man is a goof.

dead hobo peter was the funniest shit in the whole movie

I don't think he's ESL, I think you just either have dyslexia or shit reading comprehension.

Yes but we never see movies where Batman or Superman fail in order to build the competence of their replacements who are literally right there

I thee wed.
It's a play on words here.

Miles is just the generic protag with the occasional bits of monkey music playing in his action scenes to remind you that yes, he's black. He and Peter B Parker share that classic hero and mentor relationship, but there's also some interesting stuff with Miles father and uncle they do.

Peter B Parker is the most fleshed out character in the movie and even though he's schlubby and depressed he's full hero mode Spiderman. His introduction scene is Miles having every possible advantage in interrogating him and still getting outplayed.

Gwen is kinda a love interest, sorta. They don't use her like they should, if you never saw Spiderman before this you wouldn't really get that she dies when Peter lives and vice versa

Peni B Parker, Noire, and Spiderpig are funny but introduced too late to be anything besides funny and supportive

>Firstly I said you're on an island. That means you're alone.
British people would disagree with your logic.

CO is responsible for actions of people under his command. Maintaining control over subordinates is literally his job.
If subordinates start a mutiny, the CO is at fault as much as they are, as he did not do his job.
Holdo is a failure as a commander.
Simple as that.

>"my friends call me 'Liv'"
>May calls her Liv
Pete shouldn't go for his aunt May's sloppy seconds.

I ship Peter B with myself

I thought the same exact thing from that scene.

>and its really fun seeing them trade blows as Miles being a quick study and Peter really shows his experience
oh my dirty mind playing tricks again.

you made more a statement than a question

Peter is for MJ and Liv is gay

It gets praise because we consider it the best Spider-man movie made to date, weather this is because of or despite the fact it intentionally moves away from the other spider-universes.

As long as you aren't a faggot, so maybe it's not for you.

Admiral Holdo was shit because she failed at basic management. She was an excellent liutenant and a horrible commander, who had no ability to actually inspire anybody. Good plans aren't enough if you can't get people to listen to you, and it's not exactly like she just didn't tell the one guy.

That said, I liked the movie cause I had fun watching two idiots butt heads and fuck everything up because Poe was just as stupid.

Fucking the nephew of a woman she used to bang is fucked up.

On the other hand, bullying Miles works just fine for me. Something about the way she called him "young man" just awoke a "Mommy voiced Milf sexually bullies me" thing I did not know I had.

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If Doc Ock was a woman I'd ship them if they had a relationship sorta like in SM PS4, where she slowly falls for this good hearted young man she took under her wing. But fate has other plans, ending in them fighting to the death

It's a well-structured, heartfelt and visually stunning film.

Same

Back to plebbit with you.

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Based.

Yeah Pete doesn't even give a fuck about her, like I'd expect a kind of "Oh shit" moment, that being said, it's pretty heavily implied it's a knock of Raimi-spidey rather than 616 proper so Gwen to him is that chick he dated to make MJ jealous.
Though she doesn't seem to give much a fuck about Peter.
Also it's just weird that he looked like the Old Pete.

>plebbit
I’ll admit that’s a new one, bravo on the creativity.

Right. Gwen and Peter don't even acknowledge each other when they should have. Gwen is sort of just eye candy, basically.

newfag

>plebbit
>a new one
The state of Yea Forums in 2019 damn

Older chick as chubby chaser? I approve.

>literally being such an insecure, pasty white fuck you cannot understand how quality Spiderverse is and refuse to watch it simply because it has a nigger as one of the leads
fuck off back to

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>he didn't like fury road
Let me guess, you didn't watch it but Yea Forums told you about how "feminist" it was.
Jesus Christ you stink of underageb&.

If you legitimately think Fury Road was only praised or loved by and large simply because it had a strong independent vagina you clearly haven't seen the film in question.
I understand you might've seen a lot of clickbait but if you're going to pretend you're intelligent you should be aware that sort of thing doesn't reflect reality.

That scene just reminded me of the old Wiggum Charm

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WATCH THE MOVIE

Is website tribalism the last resource of the culturally defeated conservative?

To stop those shitposts 123
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>I have no idea what sarcasm is

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>Still thinking sarcasm works on Yea Forums
Nigger, get ready for the pretending to be retarded macros

Peter is the best adaptation of spiderman in a movie so far

Yes, is that too much to ask from this thread? All I want to see is just good and entertaining ideas for these two together.