Why did so many cartoons in the 90's have episodes making fun of their neckbeard fans?

To me it always felt like kind of an affectionate mockery. The Simpsons writers are a good example, since they talk about being huge nerds when they were young, and so I'm sure it was easy for them to relate to characters like Comic Book Guy even while they made fun of him.

Funny how I kind of heard about this, but I still don't know what where why and how.

How come so many 90s shows did grossout humor? I didn't like that stuff even when I was younger.

Don't mistake Japanese autism with American autism, The worse that happened during the 90's in terms of neckbeards was furry creeps sending fucked up shit to the VAs of tiny toons and animanics. Compare that to the meltdown otakus had when their waifu gets a boyfriend or their ship doesn't happen in the ending. I remember some fucker took a photo a snapped CD for some VN or anime and wrote about how the female characters was a filthy whore for getting a BF or some shit.

Not a good example, because his motive might have been unrelated to the typical stereotype of obsession with fictional characters.

The perp was out for revenge because he felt KyoAni stole his ideas and novel.

Here is my favorite one. Dunno if this was specifically aimed at comic nerds or just nerds in general.
youtube.com/watch?v=DYvbkzt2RX8

do we know why the madman did it ?

That's such an amazing summary of this entire board

Because of 90s edge. Studios discovered there is money to be made with more creator driven shows, so they gave them more freedom than in the 80s where what were essentially serial toy commercials were the norm.

And those creators were rather counter culture as far as cartoons were concerned. Always pushing envelopes. The target demographic also was mostly boys, and I guess their market research indicated that they found it cool.

cuz of Ren & Stimpy

it was probably just guys they knew
remember people working in cartoons weren't exactly cool people
i mean even the best John K could do was manipulating an underaged girl who wanted to work in animation

this, there is a reason that the word otaku is incredibly derogative in japan (besides the otaku murders). The idol industry is infamous for this where the companies cultivate an image of purity around new talent. There have been stories of autistic idol fans going nuts if they find out their favorite idol has a boyfriend or isn't a virgin.

It dawned on me, this basically those tomboy threads.

It's never too soon

Wasn't this motivated by train autism or is Yea Forums just fucking with me again

It seems to be more an issue of the company than the fans honestly, in that incident where that idol shaved her head because it was found out she had a boyfriend most her fans defended her.

I think it was because someone who was really into trains and really hated moe anime got pissed when there was this song that trainfags consider to be their anthem was used in a moe anime.

As a kid I thought they were just depicting some crazy weirdo. Now in my 20s I realize there a lot of these people

The Animaniacs had a really fun episode about this. I also heard that most of the episode was based on actual fanmail so that made it funnier.

Because they were not the intended demo

Because they nitpicked about pointless crap in cartoons for children

90's cartoons were using grossout XTREME stuff as a way to make themselves new and exciting compared to all the stale 80's moral and family friendly cartoons

cause of an (((agenda)))

>what
Kyoto Animation, which made popular shows like K-On, was set on fire. 33 employees died, with many injured.
>why
We don't know yet. The rumor on Japanese chans is that a train otaku known as Barry Sax did it partly because he found out his waifu in one of their shows (Euphonium Hibike!) has had sex before. He used to post borderline psychotic shit about his train obsession and how his life was ruined by "Euphoniums Barry Sax Solo, and it cannot be forgiven" and hasn't posted since the crimes were committed.
The suspect has been detained so we will find out the true story eventually.
>how
From my understanding he got into the office early in the morning, and poured the gasoline he bought at a petrol station around and lit the place before he was discovered.

There were a couple of differences. One, is that she wasn't a solo artist but part of a group, and two, her contract explicitly forbid her to have a romantic relationship, which a lot of people in general found unfair.

(((small))) (((white))) (((penis)))

Elf fags are truly the worst.

He was yelling that they stole something from him.

Gee user, I do wonder why tinytoons.fandom.com/wiki/The_World's_Biggest_Tiny_Toon_Fan

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Thats false, it was a guy who claimed KyoAni stole his LN idea

DON'T CALL ANYBODY

Because neckbeards are a joke.

>not posting the actual story

web.archive.org/web/20030514145917/www.crushyiffdestroy.com/show-article.php?file=falk

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Honestly I think cartoonists in general get a bad rap because assholes and egotists draw a lot of attention to themselves (partly because the media loves to point out the kinda-sorta-irony of fun cartoon creators being assholes in real life), while the people who just want to make creative stuff are a quiet lot.

Most people forget that John K was only the co-creator of Ren & Stimpy because Bob Camp (the other co-creator) wasn't an attention-hogging jerk.

and I thought pic related was the first time where a show took a jab at it's own fans

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The internet wasn't nearly as mainstream at the time and forums/discussion boards were nothing but autists, programmers, and social retards.

Every time I see caps of this scene, I think the painting is of a pregnant sonic from the thumbnail.

If they did this more often, perhaps fandoms wouldn't devolve into horrible toxic slime pits
Looking at you, Voltron fans

>yfw if this was made today the creators of the show would be mob lynched by the media for making fun of a mentally handicapped individual

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What's with the Voltron fandom now? I started watching Legendary Defender recently (since it got a finale with S8) and it's been excellent, but I don't know anything about the fandom.

Has the elusive legbeard ever been depicted in cartoon?

Because they're the dark side to nerdiness. It's the zealous side that has trouble with reality and shuns society for a fake world they can escape into and will violent react to anyone that threatens it. It's all a cautionary tale of what you might end up becoming... if it wasn't already too late for you.

In the late 80s/early 90s Tress MacNeille - major voice actress - got stalked by an obsessed loser fan to the point where she stopped going to conventions for a while. He looked exactly like the OP pic.

A guy that looked awfully like OP's pic would creep on the VERY small number of girls at the first few BotCons (which had a few celebrity guests).

And artists at cons have always had to deal with creeps wanting to commission porn, even if that's something the artist really doesn't do.

Aaaaand it's really not an exaggeration to say that at con panels you will regularly get That Guy, who wants to just point out "flaws" in what the show put out. Conventions (especially big ones) have gotten better at screening questions beforehand, but you still get the odd moment where everyone in the room just sits there going "oh my god shut him up" as someone goes full autist.

There's always been people in fandoms that make people working in the industry want to just (1) take a bath, and (2) animate something telling people to PLEASE GET A LIFE.

youtube.com/watch?v=lNJ6dFwh8a4

Fujos would get butthurt if they were parodied

Western ones have this thing where they try to hide their fetish as "representation" when all they want is slick to 2 guys fucking.

It happens sometimes

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Show falls apart at the end due to...... say it: BAD WRITING. Don't care about any fandom.

Atleast get your made up facts straight.

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tinytoons.fandom.com/wiki/The_World's_Biggest_Tiny_Toon_Fan

Bear in mind that when it was on, Steven Spielberg Presents Tiny Toons was the show countless animators wanted to be on. So what happened to people on that show sent ripple effects throughout the industry.

What in the hell is wrong with train autists?

debunked - barisaku guy is still active on twitter

God, the backlash that comic got was hilarious. Still amazes me how many of these people forget Vader is a VILLAIN.

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Channers are violent terrorists or murderous incels,it check out

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Thank God it was gas and not a gun or more people would have died

BASED AS FUCK, ALSO FUCK JAPS

You're an idiot.Fat fans stereotype predate the Rent Free in Your Head show

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Lies. Before MLP all fans were svelte and sophisticated as fuck.

>waifufags

Not fanmail but the postings on one of the prototypical early Internet forums.
Not only that, they gave a group of said fans a studio tour that included screening the partially finished episode and they LOVED it, because apparently there used to be a lot more self-awareness around.
www2.cruzio.com/~keeper/m_after.htm

These, but expand them to encompass all of fiction. Nobody should be nitpicking anything in fiction, ever.

>he doesn't know about Invader Zim fans in the early 2000s

Says who? There's nothing wrong with nitpicking things, especially if you have aims to a critic of sorts. The problem with most of these people is that they overthink things and act like they know better than the writers.

I know them. Every one of them an Adonis. MLP is where it all went wrong.

And now I realize where you're coming from. My bad.

They were ashamed of having neckbeards as fans. This was a way of both acknowledging them and trying do shame them away.

they're a quiet bunch but also are dismissive to actual crimes in the industry

>Not only that, they gave a group of said fans a studio tour that included screening the partially finished episode and they LOVED it, because apparently there used to be a lot more self-awareness around

As a dude on usenet back then, I can say it's probably because they didn't like those assholes either. I had a few such people in my kill file. You couldn't get them kicked off usenet, just filter them on your end.

Most raw, unfiltered criticism of cartoons in that era came through early online communities: usenet, IRC, AOL and so on. Before computer tehnology took off in the late 90s and became mainstream, anyone who touched a computer was seen as a nerd that never left their workstation and was engorged upon junk food.

Nowadays, pretty much any modern cartoonist grew up in online communities and at one point probably levied criticism on their favorite toons or did creepy and degenerate shit like draw EEnE child yaoi porn, giving them no ground to stand on.

>Every one of them an Adonis
Is that you, Eris? To be fair though, she does seem to be the kind of girl to enjoy Yea Forums.

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Not long before this, usually famous or infamous people had widespread info of them over the media. Really seeing it was new to people. Looking back on it, it's surprising how quickly they did things on it in some shows

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It's not sure he said plagiarism(Pakuri) or having sex(Pakori).

90's Neckbeards wrote in to criticize continuity in shows like Dexter's Lab that didn't have continuity outside of the loosest sense with regards to Mandark.

Also to note... cartoonists then had a low opinion of children's actual intelligence and technical skill. To be able to use a computer and write criticism longer than a sentence long, you just HAD to be a balding middle aged dude. To think a high schooler or especially preteen could write at an above 4th grade level was unthinkable.

You can find those with every group of people. If anything, fanatic nerd is the most harmless one, since he is only obsessed about franchise. He is nothing, but a consumer who builds his identity through product. Everyone does that.

It's mainly his secondary characteristics, which make the fanatic nerd despised. Unwashed, childlike, stupid and so on. If he manages to take care of those, he is just well-adjusted individual with a weird hobby.

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The ones being made fun of in the Animaniacs episode weren't that type of fans, it was the obsessive trivia nerds type. Someone posted it upthread and it's clearly much more affectionate in tone.

You're an idiot. Computers in general and the Internet in particular were only around that time starting to move out of the domain of adults.

Because mocking fat neckbeards is the morally right thing to do.

I feel fat basement dwellers have been a thing since a long time now but how often things like this happen? Did it happen with PPG too?

they were primarily shows for kids

>You're an idiot. Computers in general and the Internet in particular were only around that time starting to move out of the domain of adults.

My grade school had a computer lab in the early 90s. You're either a zoomer or you were a poorfag.

Jesus Christ. I wonder what happened to this absolute beast of an autist.

They wish they were doing something of higher social status and thus create ironic distance from those who consume their work.

fake and gay

Hue

It was half-serious, more with a wink than any true antagonism. The writers/animators were also making fun of themselves with such depictions. Anime does this to this very day.

On a macro scale you have to understand that at the time there was no negative stigma attached to nerds and general weird people. That came much later, in recent years. Because in the 90s eccentrics were actual people who were "out there" but harmless, friendly and a part of society as a whole.

Because they were making cartoons for kids, and laughed when they found out grown men were watching them too so they poked the bear.

with all due respect, how in the fuck did 33 people die from a fire in a modern building?

Because these people need to have their Nuts slapped so they can make way for the Chad audience, and perhaps become a semi-Chad as well, for some

lol wait til I tell you about those faggots

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The arsonists blocked all the fire exits.

He was a 41 year old manga artist that was scitzo and taught that Kyoani was stealing his ideas

Smoke. Only like 5 people actually burned to death

Yeah but apparently the guy was a very traditional geek who was into trains and shit.

Because neckbeards deserve to be made fun of and it's been proven that they'll just buy your shit anyways.

Fun fact: reading comics and playing Vidya in public isn't cringy unless your obese fuck that looks like he doesn't shower or groom's himself

It is amazing how many comic book youtubers or geek channels in general look exactly like this guy.

>make way for the Chad audience
Chad's don't watch, they do.

Sounds like justice to me.
Nobody has the right to publicly mock the mentally handicapped and profit from it.
The SJW moment exists because people have been throwing the weak under the bus for too long.

So where are these originals from the 90s today?

(You)

>implying super nerds don't deserve to be ridiculed

By the time anyone knew what was happening the entire ground floor was in flames and thick black smoke was obscuring vision
Nearly everyone tried to flee to the roof, but for whatever reason they couldn't get the door open and most died of asphyxiation on the stairwell

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It might have been motivated by Kyoani plagarizing an LN(all anime studios do have a habit of pulling shit like this)

The Barisaku stuff is most likely 2ch's "Sam Hyde" meme

Japanese Building for underpaid animators with only one fire exist you had to PULL to open

I am more curious how no one seemed to be suspicious about a guy hauling 40 liters of petrol.

That's like what, 2 large jerry cans? Not really suspicious, at least not at all where I live, not sure about Japan but it still seems like a reasonable amount.

You are probably right with that.

lack of exits

Gasoline control now! Ban high capacity gas cans

Because the creators actually participated and read use.net forums for feeback and felt the need to respond to the negative

Fujos have been made fun of in anime and they don't really care

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They should have shot his gasoline jerrycan

Wow, the Japanese really don't give a shit about fire safety, do they?

Did those mean boys laugh at your fanfics again, little autismo?
Nobody’s throwing you under the bus, retard. You’re doing it yourself by acting like a complete fool in public.

What can I say. Gay sex is hot.

This looks like that "the right one doesn't have to try" comic.

Yea Forums in a nutshell.

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If the people you fight against are anywhere as bad as you claim they are, your movement would have been forcibly crushed by now, and all of it's participants executed.

That's the joke

>People believe you can bully fat people into being thin
>People don't believe you can bully a neckbeard into being normal

Mine had a computer lab, too, but it wasn't hooked up to the net. My first time on the net involved getting a friend's cousin's University password and dialing in for a while until they realized more than one person was using it and shut it off. Or maybe it just expired, I'm not sure.

Mine was. We realized that the teacher was watching /ss/ in it. She got fired faster than a microwave fires a potato wrapped in tin foil.

I pity you.
How can you think it's ok to viciously mock the mentally challenged in media for "fun and profit"?
This is legitimately why SJWs exist. Enough is enough.

>she was watching fetish porn on the job
>on the internet
>in the early 90s
>when FMV was barely doable with top end hardware
Yeah, I'm not sold on the scenario, Skippy. It sounds like you made it up to get your peepee hard.

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They were the ones who went to conventions and QnA sessions with fucking insane nit picky comments straight to the createos themselves. The people making the shows had personal experience with incredibly annoying neckbeards.

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Last I read he was on IB posting The Last Mimzy fanfics, no joke.

>being an unironic, hyperemotional retard
>this bullshit was allowed to exist
There was only one thing the national guard did wrong at Kent state...

In the 90s? At a public school? You had a lady teacher that was tech savvy enough to find that shit, willing to watch it on dialup, but stupid enough to do it on the job?

When she was fired, did everyone stand and clap?

if a character like that is someone you can identify with, you might be the one that has a problem, not the show

You can believe whatever you wish but the truth of the matter is, the world has turned to favor my views over the years.
The powerful cannot mock the vulnerable anymore without actually repercussions from the public.
Feels good.

>The powerful cannot mock the vulnerable anymore without actually repercussions from the public
Last I checked, weapons beat retards with pink hair and retarded signs. The only reason why you overgrown children exist is due to the people you claim to be against are total cucks, thankfully, it looks like gen z won't put up with your bullshit.

Stop taking the bait, dude.

>Last I checked, weapons beat retards with pink hair and retarded signs.
Weapons which are in the hands of the government mind you. Or what? You think you are some sort of tough guy because you own a gun or something? Lmao.

Still with this forced meme?

both of you subscribe to brainlet ideologies and are dumb enough to argue about them on a chinese cartoon american anime image board

>le ebin centrist

Really? Then what's your ideology.
Let's hear it.

Aren't you faggots trying to fight the current government?
What do you think is going to happen when lefttards inject their unsolicited opinions everywhere?

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>Why did so many cartoons in the 90's have episodes making fun of their neckbeard fans?

Neckbeards were the only ones who would criticize them. Kids would just shower them with praise.

Fuck you, Tomboys are a gift from God.

The words of a true patrician.

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Fujos were literally parodied in South Park and they fucking loved it

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>Fujos were literally parodied in South Park and they fucking loved it

Because the theme of that episode was that sometimes it's best to appease fujos by pretending their ship is real.

No the theme of that episode was "we don't really understand this thing but it's not hurting anyone so keep going" and then it was about casual racism in PC culture.

Nerds used to take it as a badge of honor when a creator recognized them, because nerds were proud of being weird. Now spoiled manchildren get offended about everything and see themselves as consumers.

Dateline clip about Sailor Moon maniacs in the 90's:
youtu.be/PhwVcIR1aQs?t=512

Animaniacs fans visit Warner Bros:
youtube.com/watch?v=v1W-wnh__DM

>Tron Guy was an Animaniacs fan
It's the little things.

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Because thats who most of the production staff were.

Because at the time they did not make up the majority of the cartoons male audience.

I haven't thought of tron guy in years, fuck

Stop killing people and being brainwashed by memes,you made this a meme ,not me

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Voltron Force had an entire episode about this.

voltron.fandom.com/wiki/Dudley

i just remember that case where a woman got trampled on by fujos for a Choromatsu handbag

>No the theme of that episode was "we don't really understand this thing but it's not hurting anyone so keep going"

Except for the part where Tweek and Craig not actually being in a relationship upsets everyone, so they pretend to be in a gay relationship so that no one's feelings are hurt.