Can someone explain this "dress Hawkeye up and pose him like sexy girls" meme? What the fuck is up with it?

Can someone explain this "dress Hawkeye up and pose him like sexy girls" meme? What the fuck is up with it?

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AFAIK the Hawkeye Initiative started as a way to mock artists drawing comic book women in impossible/uncomfortable poses by redrawing them being performed by Hawkeye.

he is a thot, user

what the fuck does it sound like you moron

It’s parodying the typical sexual pages and covers that comics had so the thirsty inceI nerds drool and buy the issues, brainrotten inceI.

>Comic books aren't realistic.
>Tumblr gets mad
>Girls are too pretty, and have oddly malleable spines in these comic books
>Tumblr gets mad
>Complains
>People start making fun of comic books for this
>Tumblr gets mad that they aren't being taken seriously about how it's literally rape that Mary Jane weighs under 400lbs.

Yeah, just look at the original cover this is parodying. No one can sit like that lmao.

You're about 8 years late on this one user.

Why do feminists think thisll turn me off? Whether its MJ or Hawkeye I'm still fappin

But a majority of them are shit women actually do though.

Are they just drawn by mad fat people?

based

kate hawkeye is qt

>Are they just drawn by mad fat people?
Yes. Ugly women get enraged by the existence of attractive females. Its the reason modern feminism exists.

Bingo.

They think it's saying something about double standards or something because Hawkeye looks ridiculous in the same poses.

All it does is answer the question why women are drawn in the poses and not men because, surprise, men look ridiculous in those poses.

Yeaaaah, gotta pose up those men like they’re up for action, except the sole female has to flex her buttcheeks for no reason to sate the appetite of thirsty straight virgins!

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But she isnt even in a sexual pose in the Avengers artwork, thats literally just an attractive woman in an action pose.

I dont even think thats actually true, JoJo and Baki do that kind of shit all the time and people love it.

Started with ugly femcunts triggered by pretty heroines drawn in 'sexualized' poses, and posing men the same way as revenge. Then literal faggots enjoyed the sexualized men and the meme blossomed from there.

Yep. Tons of female oriented entertainment has men in sexy poses/fanservice but men don't give a shit

>everyone but the female pose forward
>the sole female is given the tightest suit and has her ass heavily contoured
>”deeehhhh dis isnt sexualze at all im a dumb virginz inceI....”

The irony is that none of the redraws are good. We're talking about amateurs that fail at anatomy trying to stick it to professionals that do know anatomy yet make their own changes to suit their style and taste. For example J. Scott Campbell can draw really well. There's a Disney-esque picture he did of one of his Danger Girls that looks like it was done by an artist for Disney. Campbell just developed his style so much he's pretty much turned it into literal caricatures, mixing cartoony bodies with overly detailed faces.

The meme was started by tumblrtards after seeing a comic cover with Hawkeye and Black Widow.
>Pose is actually contextually pretty tame the only issue is literally you can see her butt.

Oddly enough, most of these drawings tried to criticize this tendency by invoking gay panic.

>everyone but the female pose forward
If she was from the front she'd have cleavage and big tits still so you'd still complain.

>the sole female is given the tightest suit and has her ass heavily contoured
Motherfucker have you seen Scarlett Johannson? Look at pic related.

>”deeehhhh dis isnt sexualze at all im a dumb virginz inceI....”
The pose isnt sexal in the slightest you dumb retard.

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Is this new? are they still doing this?

Good. Men should be sexualized too

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almost makes me wish I was born with a dick just to hotdog that juicy butt

God damn, never knew Zodd was so THICC

Feminists wanted to trigger men by making Hawkeye pose like sexy girls but it backfired

What happens when people redraw Spider-Man poses?

god damn

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>but it backfired
it really didn't, tho.

>face is 90% left
>legs are 2 different lengths
>borrowed left foot from a raptor
>right thigh takes space from where his dick should be
>right foot is flipped in the wrong direction
>leg leg is broken
If they were going for King Tut I would give them credit for doing a good job since he was also very disfigured

>pose forward, see her boobs
>pose backwards, see her ass
>pose sideways, see both
The only winning moves are not to play or just not give a shit

I think it's just funny seeing Hawkeye posed all weird.

The biggest problem is that none of the art even looked sexy. The anatomy is terrible and the poses just look stupid on men. If you want quality beefcake just look at something like or pic related.

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If I remember right they picked Hawkeye because of Renner's slut comment

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And here I thought it was because of the Hawkeye book.

Post more proper beefcake!

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That face when you KNEEL!

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The only good thing about AvX where the costumes

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It was the progressive protection racket.
They came up with a problem, and they were, and still, claim to be the solution.

A lot of people are aware of protection rackets from mafia movies and shit, but this was the first time for many being exposed to it on a social level. Thanks to the internet people can fuck up reputations without the fear of being sued, because whis going to sue some fag online.

Remember that time when Adam Hughes was a being dragged through the mud because of that Mary Jane laundry statue. What about the time there Marvel was being torn to shreds for that Heroes for Hire tentacle cover? At that time, no one was aware that these were tactics that randoms using to have influce and power over industry. They thought it was geniune.


Hawkeye initiative was one of those thing. Funny enough, a year later All new All different marvel was announced

gooood

>>Pose is actually contextually pretty tame the only issue is literally you can see her butt.
It's tame, but it's a stupid way to sit on a sofa and hold a hot mug of coffee.

Certain cultural critics can't wrap their head around the fact that different poses and clothing look good on men, and others on women. So they draw Hawkeye in poses that look good on women, and look silly on him, and somehow think that means people will now find those same appealing poses to be silly.

>Remember that time when Adam Hughes was a being dragged through the mud because of that Mary Jane laundry statue. What about the time there Marvel was being torn to shreds for that Heroes for Hire tentacle cover? At that time, no one was aware that these were tactics that randoms using to have influce and power over industry. They thought it was geniune.

I remembered that. It was also when Scans Daily was regularly visited.

Eventually Scans Daily was reduced to a shadow of itself, although the downside is people think Twitter and Tumblr were better venues to start getting on morality soapboxes.

He was referring to the Avengers artwork and plenty of girls sit like the OP picture.

>Funny enough, a year later All new All different marvel was announced

This is funny considering All New All Different Marvel ended up being a disaster for a lot of reasons.

That's complete nonsense. they simply did it because it was funny and many liked drawing Hawkeye like this.

Ah, my bad.
I don't doubt they sit similar to what MJ was doing in the original, but it's pretty much whatever at this point. I think the thing that got to me most in the picture was her hold that hot cup of coffee in her bare hands, near her crotch. Just looked like a recipe for disaster.

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>Can someone explain this
It was a reaction to idiotic shit like this:
They ran a tumbr for a minute:
thehawkeyeinitiative.tumblr.com/

>flex her buttcheeks
Nigga if you're standing up you're automatically flexing your ass, thats how the ass works.

We should compile a list of comic pages with males characters in poses that males are "never" drawn in.

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Sex sells, and the primary demographic is men. Some people don't like it.

That's what strapons are for.

Based.

Remener when Star-Lord was a himbo

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The whole style of critique always just came off as knowingly dishonest. Like yeah it does look silly for a lot of characters to be posed like that, especially when you can't draw. Do it with some twinky bishie character and it would look fine. But anyone can realise that different body shapes require different types of poses to be attractive. Doing so isn't even uncommon, which is when we descend into the hole of it doesn't count when it makes my argument appear incorrect. It wasn't about is this a real issue in comics, but how can we insert a political discussion into them.

I think it was one of the first times I could see people pushing this type of criticisms for e-points, rather than an honest attempt to demonstrate what is wrong. With the convenient it is just a joke to hide behind. You can see the seed of how modern internet discussion became even worse than before, more about fellating your side than anything else. Now we have to deal with /pol/ doing the same shit on every board, thanks for that.

Ok.

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Seinfeld is always relevant.

Some people don't understand that there are differences between the sexes.

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Damn, you sound like a roastie.

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I don't want to spam so last one

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This one is just so blatant. They couldn't help themselves and had to rip Clark's shirt to shreds.
Poor Hal. Artist's don't respect him or even recognize him as human and just seem to want him as their own plaything.

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You do realise is that the point is not that it never happens, but that it tend to be less common,right?

>professionals that do know anatomy yet make their own changes to suit their style and taste
Plenty of professionals are just hacks, user. Cheesecake is good when it's drawn by somebody who is good at art, not somebody who only has a vaguely nebulous idea of what happens between a woman's boobs and knees.

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It's not gay if it's just a male power fantasy

Nah

You don't actually care about anything you're saying.

I know I just want to post beefy heroes

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Acceptable reasoning.

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Kris Anka is a thirsty man.

>The chest hair shapes

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I don't know why they chose Hawkeye of all characters for it. Iron Man and Spider-Man, who have been sexualized with a lot more intensity and frequency in their own books over the years, would've been better choices.

What about us thirsty lesbian virgins?

Does Superman have the flattest ass in the league?

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>the looks from the two women in the back plus the old lady
lol

Have some She-Hulk.

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Hrrrrnnngh Charles, I'm trying to snikt around but I'm dummy thicc and the clap from my ass cheeks keeps alerting the sentinels.

Yes

Him and Dauterman are treasures

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Now this is just ridiculous

>The irony is that none of the redraws are good.

So?


The whole meme is to mock ridiculous comic book art of female characters in unnatural poses and stupid costumes. No one is expecting top tier art with these redraws.

You underestimate his power

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How dense are you that it's not totally self explanatory?

>So
Well the most obvious side to it is how a lot of them conflate sexy art with being bad. So to respond with even worse art is pretty funny, also lining up with a lot of stereotypes of the typical tumblr user at the time. It makes you go well I'm glad we got these drawings instead of yours. But then it also fails as a parody, instead of showing am equivalent with a male character they show a vastly inferior version. If your first thought is why does Hawkeye's lower body look like a melted puddle it detracts from the main joke. So the comparison and joke get mostly lost in the process. Becoming at best a circle jerk for people really angry about attractive drawings.

Okay now imagine someone who draws even worse and telling Liefeld that's how it's done.

It defeats the purpose if the one lecturing an artist on how to draw can't draw themselves. Not even saying you can't criticize the art, it's just that doing a worse job isn't going to help your argument. Imagine someone telling a chef that their food is too salty. Far enough. Then that person leaves the restaurant and starts eating from a trash can.

Here's an actual artist doing their own thing on it for a completely different thing. Not part of the Hawkeye Initiative. Quickly done as a joke but you can tell the person actually knows how to draw. Not the case for nearly all the people who did the HI.

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You just answered your own question. They were painting a strawman lie and if they used either of those two, it wouldnt have worked.

>The whole meme is to mock ridiculous comic book art of female characters in unnatural poses and stupid costumes
But A) male costumes are 95% of the time just as stupid, and in fact often enough theres many male characters with revealing attire, and B) most of these fucking poses are both completely anatomically correct and also something women do in real life.

Except it doesn't work because neither comic artists or fans are offended by male characters drawn in sexualized poses or situations. Most find it funny, some are like .
This is why no one takes feminists seriously. they think all attitudes are driven entirely by a power imbalance. So they 'fight back' by challenging men to experience the same things, not realizing that men either don't care or like the attention.

>who have been sexualized with a lot more intensity and frequency in their own books over the years
That's why they didn't choose them. Acknowledging that happens would hurt their point.

Nah, that's just a bad panel. Even Catwoman has acknowledged how great his ass looks in the red shorts.

THICCnom

It's not even passable art though. Like it's legitimately horrendous.

What a flat ass

>b-b-but muh male power fantasy

Instagram poses aren't natural, and OP pose is a Instagram pose, the biggest problem is that. I've seen ecchi anime with less forced posses.

>The whole meme is to mock ridiculous comic book art of female characters in unnatural poses and stupid costumes.
A lot of it is just nit-picky shit. almost anything that is a struck dynamic pose is deemed misogynist and unrealistic. Even when the dynamic "sexy" poses tell the story much better than any alternative that is given. OP's is a great example.
The redrawn pose has MJ slouched over and her gaze is very indiscriminate, she looks tired or fed up more than anything. Maybe she just needs a nap. Where as the original pose tells us its message concisely. MJ's gaze is directly aimed at Spider-man on the 2d plane of the page, she has a concerned expression. Her whole torso is thrust out because of how high-strung her worry has made her. Even her legs are moved away from another, giving more tension to her a more active gesture and creating a rhythm. MJ's original pose you could call ditzy or stereotypical or whatever, but there's still a point to it, she's bearing her heart on her sleeve.
The redrawn doesn't have that kind of emotional relation going on. It seems all the redraw artist cared about was making sure the figure and pose captured their idea of realism, no concern for a direct, concise story.
With that said, could an artist have drawn an MJ that wasn't as sexy or have her boobs pressed together and retain the overall message? Yeah I think so. But these tumblr types seem too quick to throw the baby out with the bath water because they selectively think "not your average mundane person=not realistic=sexist/misogynist/ridiculous."

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Goddamn women are eternally butthurt

Why do Instagram models use those types of poses? It is because they are in some way more visually striking, no? You yourself admit that people in real life utilize the poses. So I don't see the actual problem other than personal taste on where the line should be drawn with how realistic or natural everything must be, or else it becomes "forced." Because we all know cape comics are not aspiring to be the most realistic or natural, it is in numerous ways a fantasy genre with many aspects, poses included, exaggerated.

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>Where as the original pose tells us its message concisely
>bearing her heart on her sleeve
Neither of those poses convey anything even close to that, the only way you could get that is from their expression.

And lest we forget

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What the FUCK? Why does Spider-Man have to be in such a sexual pose. "HURR GOTTA SHOW ASS SHOTS ALL THE TIME".

God this industry is fucking degenerate.

>The whole meme is to mock ridiculous comic book art of female characters in unnatural poses and stupid costumes. No one is expecting top tier art with these redraws.

>Complain about art because it's bad
>produce worse art in response

Real genius logic, there

Have these fuckers never seen a gymnast or a 13 year old girl on facebook try to get her chest and ass in the same frame? These poses aren't even unrealistic just need alot of dedication or practice.

it's mostly tumblr whales drawing them so yes

btw women generally don't give a shit what comic book character are drawn like, there's real shit to discuss

Is pec smothering a fetish

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You know what? Frumpy, insecure looking MJ with a Popeye arm is pretty cute.

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Holly fucking shit.

If you got it, flaunt it.

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Hal Jordan and dick Grayson are well known sluts. Just like Power Girl's boob window, that's just how things are in DC.
Is Marvelcucks that have problems with this issues.

Are we still fucking doing this?

OMG.
WHO.
FUCKING.
CARES.

Legit, haven't this topic been beaten into the ground so far into the earths core.
Who fucking legit care how females hero are portrayed in skin tight outfit, doing a yoga pose.
Like what, happen with just having fun when drawing. Who cares if it's not a "realistic" depiction of a female. We humans are pretty ugly by the majority. What's wrong with wanting pretty people in the fiction I'm enjoying.
I just want to have fun when I'm drawing or reading a comic whitout this bullshit about realism. There is a time and place for everything. Sure if you want to depict a realistic retelling of the 2ww, then maybe don't have your Nazi's be busty beautiful women in slutty nazi uniform hunting jew. But if it's a fucking superhero comic, then just chill, have fun with the character designs.
How fragile of a person must you be to feel threaten by a drawing, like jesus.

Nova's ass was thebonly good thing qbout this game

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Women in the internet have a meme and some people are angry about it.
See >"We don't care but we sure will have 30 threads about it"

Where are the other 29 threads?

Ass so good it makes anons forget how to type properly.

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They're basically thot poses, and it's not a bad thing but the problem it's that some of them are uncomfortable (like OP pic). That's why more girls watch and read ecchi that shitty cape comics.

In the upcoming weeks, look up to them!

Go dilate

Unnffff. Those fucking thighs man.

You're clairvoyant?

Whats my future.

I'm just using it as an excuse to post barabait tbqh

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That's it, that's feminism from the Suffrage Movement to today in a nutshell

Fair enough. But it's right ionly a small part of those pictures are fapable enough.

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No wonder Reed isn't worried about Sue hanging out with him, fish man literally has a concave groin.

Whoever drew the right has done so many times before the Hawkeye Initiative was a thing.

>1 thread is 30
literally what

The only thing I find offensive is how Hawkeye in OP post, feet are broken. As an artist this just offends all my senses.

Probably the funniest and sexiest feminist joke of all time.

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You sound like the kind of moron who thinks there's nothing sexual about the poses of the men because they're not showing their tits off.

All of those are hot.

Do you honestly believe that if did a compilation of all the sexy female poses and all the sexy male poses in comic books the male ones would even come close to the number of female ones?

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Was this supposed to look dumb?
All it does is make me want to fuck Clint

Remember folks, it's not sexual if a female reader's drooling over it. So a guy can be buck naked but a woman? Cover her up, don't even fucking dare to show her ass or boobs.

Fucking hypocrites.

Are you confused? I wasn't talking about the poses of women and men on comic art in general, I was talking about that specific poster.

Awful color hair scheme

*sniff*

The only two naked guys I remember are Dr Manhattan and Bruce in the one Batman comic everyone lose it's collective shit about.
And then there's Namor and Herc when they don't make him use the stupid pants.
And, that's about it? Maybe Hulk?
I guess we can trow Hawkman in there if you want to.

Me on the left

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>feminists
I want to reclaim this word. It was a sensible thing in the 60s.

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Romamnce novels are not female power fantasies, have you ever read one? The main chik is suffering the entire time. Is like saying NTR are male power fantasies, it's just cheap fap material.

The women that consumed that has just money for shitty books. Fujos are the ones that buy comics and it's merchandise.

Literal nakedness aside there's a lot of skin-tight shit on men that focuses on their ass. This thread has Venom but more famously Spider-Man or Nightwing.

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His ass is covered by a cape though.

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A drawing of a man's ass isn't objectifying. It's a male power fantasy of having a nice perky booty.

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Well, but that's just as true for female ones, isn't it? Painted costumes haven't gone anywhere, open any comic to confirm it.
Let me give you some Donna Troy of hapiness.

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You see this is real gender equality in comics.

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>What about the time there Marvel was being torn to shreds for that Heroes for Hire tentacle cover?

yes

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Could have fooled muh dick.

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I'm just butt-posting now I'm dropping the pretense of being sarcastic

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Also Mera because I like her.

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Bruh...what the fuck is a "female power fantasy" then? Because an average girl who is actually super special and has tons of hot guys fighting over her sounds like the definition of it.

>Complains about tumblr yet managed to sound like a drama queen from tumblr.

We should fuck with them by all becoming bisexual and just enjoying it.
As a joke.

Why is it OK for women to perv on guys?

Fucking EVS, man. How are some people so bad at online etiquette?

When is a male writer doing the joke.

Is that the cover of a hentai parody? Asking for a friend.

Welcome to post-2014 4chins, You are here forever.

Frozen

Because it's hot.

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GL costumes are literally just a layer of energy. Sometimes they have normal clothes under. Sometimes they're straight up naked under it.

That's real. Pre-social Justice Era was a different time

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>average girl who is actually super special and has tons of hot guys fighting over her
Only if it's Otome games.

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Story of Dick Grayson's life. Along with the rape.

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Guys don't tend to mind being ogled at, especially when they know they're good-looking.

long story short, they are trying to act out as if they are saving the world by showing some hipocrisy, but instead they end up mocking gay men byt showing how funny it is when hawkeye is posed in a femenine way.
They couldve just replicated the poses and leave it at that but nope, hawkeye is always making kissy faces and showing his butt out even when the original picture doesnt have that.
And this is solely because the actual joke is "Gay men should be laughed at" and thats the message that the people doing this meme are going for.

>Sometimes
L-like, what times?

Thats what Twilight was and women ate that shit up

Someone sitting super uncomfortably while staring out the window at their superhero boyfriend as he runs off to near death doesn't convey a concise message?

This just reminds me of that page in the America comic where her girlfriend is held hostage on a bed and held there by a fucking kid harness.

Because the western is so bad they don't have Otome Games so any stupid shit that fills that void is consume instead.

> it's just cheap fap material.
That is kind of the point of the image.

It's ironic how Ethan used to be the exact kind of person he makes fun of now.

Believe me, ugly men don't mind being sexualized either

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>fatties seething over dynamic poses
IT'S JUST ONE OF THOSE DAYS

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I want to fuck men's ass and I'm not offended.

Are you implying that capeshit is just cheap fap material too? I wish

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You sound like a fat bitch

you're fun at parties

Ecchi anime do it better. They know how to make sexy poses.

Very little of what humans do is natural. When people try to seduce other people they tend to be unnatural to some extent. That's instagram poses, but taking an "unnatural" sexy pose is way more "natural" than buying someone a drink.

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Can we put the starfield texture on his codpiece?
maybe wax his body?

you dont have to be offended to be targeted for mockery.
Thats like a black guy going "WELL IM BLACK AND I THINK THAT BLACK PEOPLE GETTING TOLD TO GO BACK TO AFRICA IS HILARIOUS"

Is this a dynamic pose

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Yes.

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Male poses that are associated with off the shelf sexual fantasy for women are similar to poses found in superhero comics. Someone trying to argue that they are uncommon is likely being disingenuous with their definitions.

Nothing at all

That's so dumb. Male heros are always flashing their abs and buttcheeks in tights and shit.
Batman even showed his cock.

Dude on the right has thiccer pecs

>Show Hulk naked
I sleep
>Black Widows pants are tight
Real shit

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That doesn't make any point. I don't really give a shit what girls read more [citation needed].
I can certainly tell you that way more men fap to instargram thots than to whatever uguuu shit you think is hot,

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>The irony is that none of the redraws are good
This is the equivalent of completely ignoring someone's argument to shitpost about a typo. It really doesn't matter, the meaning is clear.

Okay so what's the issue exactly? Mockery is funny.

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Wimminz is bein sexualized for ther bodies

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Is it time for gratuitous topless Thor?

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The problem is that some poses are uncomfortable not that they are sexy.

Only a few artist really make the men hot though. Like now I con only think of Clay Mann, Coipel, Anka, Dauterman and Nicola Scott

Its canon that Batman has a huge cock

I guess it is!

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Is Thor the most sexualized character in the MCU? The answer is yes.

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Why is she-hulk dressed like black widow?

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I don't see how that's a problem, especially for characters who are "paper and ink".
I doubt most superhero costumes are comfortable. And to some extent this hurts my suspension of disbelief but generally I can get over it. Except Psylocke, there's no point to that bitch except showing off her underwhelming appropriated asian ass.

Cap only showing his tits once is the biggest tragedy in the MCU

What a bitch. Does Jen hatefuck her afterwards?

>asks for a second to catch her break
>uses it for a sucker punch
That's our Carol!

Based Zatanna

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Zatanna also likes to sleep around.

Reminder, that Logan is king and no character comes close to his naked tied-up throne.

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>Post things specially made for normies
What are you proving? That females what more fap material and only movies provide for the need?

Why are comic artists so gay and horny?

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I haven't seen that page in 20 years but I still have a vague memory of it.
So manly. So hairy. In such a vulnerable position.

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>books about muscular men in tight outfits
why would that ever be gay

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Why do women hate me man
I don’t hate them, and I don’t even talk to them except my mom and my sister, and they’re okay with me

That post didn't say romance novels are female power fantasy's.

It correctly identifies them as female sexual fantasies.

because female power fantasies are literally always torturing men

It's basic empathy, in anime and manga most of the time the only thing that can make anyone uncomfortable are the cow-tits, and moeblobs are more like pets, even for woman

Women like me, but they have no romantic/sexual interest in me.
I think that might be worse.

It’s been happening since he was but a boy

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But I can feel empathy for people who do "unnatural" things to have romance/sex. Sluts can be eminently relatable, all they want is to be liked.
I don't think ecchi shit is normalcy outside of Nihon user. Even there that's disputable.

>they have the faces of 4 year olds.... Thanks, Japan

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I'm talking about painful poses user, I never sit like in OP pic because it will be painful to get up.

You can feel however you want about whatever pose, But I don't think the poses are supposed to be uncomfortable, they're exaggerated. Characters of both genders strike crazy poses sometimes, That's just normal for them because their world is different from ours.

I agree but just in action scenes. In battle, after-battle poses and non-action scenes it's not the best time to show that.

>user makes a greentext
>"WOW YOU SOUND LIKE THOSE OTHER GUYS"

welcome to Yea Forums forever please kys so I don't have to keep reading your faggotry

>this guy still posts 12 years later

Some days I wish I had never existed

It's always the best time to show that.

I think J Scott Campbell is a fucking terrible artist who can only draw one sexy male and female body type and cannot draw anything besides pin ups, but the idea that it's an entirely impossible pose and appearance is hambeast bullshit. The failure is in his anatomy not his sexualization (the real chick actually has bigger tits lol).

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She still need to push her torso upwards. See the way her spine is bending in the art.

Good for you but plenty of people are willing to suffer pain to be (more) desirable.

Wait till you see him in Ultimate Alliance 3

WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO Yea Forums
THIS BOARD WAS FULL OF FAGGOTS ONCE
THIS THREAD SHOULD BE FULL OF MAN-ASS

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That;s actually some pretty solid photoshop, also people are getting way too riled up about this

>get defeated with FACTS and LOGIC
>moves goalposts faster than the human eye can see

Absolutely, positively, fundamentally based

This

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Neither do attractive women. They know what they are doing.

That suit is usually annoyingly good at obscuring his body.

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It triggered you? Do you need a hug?

Nice butt, shame Yea Forums is so Yea Forumslite lately

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>Woman standing is sexualized

There's a fucking green monster showing off every muscle in his torso and both Cap and Hawkeye are spreading their huge dicks. Cap's dick is center focus.

Beefcakes are beefcakes in every pose while women characters are not showing their asses in every pose.

What picture are you looking at where their dicks are detectable? And pretending women find Hulk sexy is a bit implausible.

>And pretending women find Hulk sexy is a bit implausible.

Hulk porn exploded when Ragnarok came out.

Uh huh.

What "uh huh"? Moving the goalpost that "I-it doesn't count if Hulk is sexualized because I refuse to believe people find him sexy!"?

It's a meme started and continued by disgusting fat women who hate men and attractive women and feel the need to attempt to destroy anything featuring attractive women that appeal to men. Anyone who engages in this meme should be tortured to death as slowly as possible.

No, I'm just dismissing your attempt to claim Hulk is anything more than a niche fetish. If you want to prove otherwise, knock yourself out.

You're talking to either a 90 lb white knight or a 300 lb femcel. Don't bother.

>If I ignore reality, I can win the argument

Sure, pal. Go ahead and pretend Black Widow porn somehow outweighs the vast amount of faggot shipping there is between Tony and Cap while you're at it.

But it's woke for women to sexualize fictional characters. It's only evil when straight men do it.

Nobody's stopping you presenting your proof, user.

What's that got to do with a totally different character?

The retarded fat cunt is attempting to argue that male superheroes aren't sexualized. Why would you think that evidence that male superheroes are heavily sexualized is irrelevant?

Captain America has more porn than BW.

The entire critique of that poster is that BW is the only one "sexualized". Hulk's very exsistence is sexualized because using his powers typically means tearing his clothes off and characters like Cap end up having more porn than the "sexualized girl character".

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That's not what that post said though.

>continued
Didn't this end years ago?

Sure it wasn't.

But nobody claimed Cap wasn't popular with women, and Hulk being sexual to women requires proof that women actually find his Hulk form hot other than as a relatively minor kink.

What part of it said male heroes aren't sexualized?

But the entire argument is that women comic book characters suffer more from being sexualized for eye candy for the audience when that's simply not true. Both sexes are sexualized, it's a fantasy and being hot and attractive is part of the fantasy. Men get a ton of shirtless scenes and shit like pic related and girl characters get ass shots.

Nobody is "left out". Hulk is not a "niche fetish" anymore than a foot fetish is "niche".

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Looks like he is about to be the victim of Noob Saibot's fatality

It was a desperate feminazi attempt to show how sexualized women were in comics and other media but in reality it failed and really just show that men and women are NEWSFLASH LIFE CHANGING INFORMATION...different from each other.

Hulk is way more sexualized than her though.

That's not an argument I would make, at least for the movies, where there's clearly fanservice for everyone. I think comics is a bit harder to argue because posing gets involved and then it's just counting up panels, which is no fun. But saying Hulk is a shape women typically find sexually appealing isn't believable.

>But saying Hulk is a shape women typically find sexually appealing isn't believable.
I said Hulk is inherently sexual because his entire superpower involves a man gaining muscle so strong and big, it tears his clothing off.

And pretending "bara" is niche is still ignorance on your part.

>bara
Okay, I'll just assume you're baiting. You don't need to continue.

Actual question: Are you autistic as fuck?

>Are they just drawn by mad fat people?
Basically

Hulk isn't even wearing a shirt.

Captain America and Thor have suits that are literally so tight it contours around each individual muscle in their arms but okay

>its a "men willfully refuse to understand what women have said, keep trying to make the argument about semantics and gotchas rather than acknowledge there's something to be discussed" thread

>WOMEN ARE WAY MORE SEXUALIZED THAN MEN ARE, THE EXAMPLES ARE 2:!
>No it's not, here are a shit ton of examples--
>FUCK YOUUUU LISTEN TO MEEEEEEEEE

Nice try, roastie.

>But a majority of them are shit women actually do though.
boob-ass shot? Not that much.

Are you of the mindset that the superhero physique is nothing but a power fantasy? Because there are large, large numbers of gay dudes who disagree. Not to mention women who do find muscled dudes hot.

Not quite my bag, more into femme dudes, myself, but it's not a power fantasy for all. "Male power fantasy" is such a conversation ender/

>"Male power fantasy" is such a conversation ender/
It also has no basis for being "male oriented" only and makes no sense when considering the large spectrum of superpowers. Everyone wants to be strong, including women. Everyone would love the ability to walk down the street and overpower anyone with one pinky. Who the hell DOESN'T fantasize about being a hero in a situation?

But also, why would anyone think laser eyes or the ability to fly or run fast is strictly male oriented.

I always hold my mug like that especially in winter it's warm and cozy and it's the best way to appreciate a warm drink adequatly.

>>No it's not, here are a shit ton of examples--
That's not a valid argument. As long as there are more women than men being sexualised, the original point still stand.

More x than y being A is not disproven by simply showing cases where y is A.

>As long as there are more women than men being sexualised, the original point still stand.
Can you prove that there are more women than men being sexualized in comics? Because until you can with actual statistics, your statement is just a theory, not a fact. Don't state it as one.

>lose the argument
>I'll just say he's baiting!

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Is tumblr still a thing?
I thought it died after the porn ban.
Which is hilarious given the topic of this thread.

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>Can you prove that there are more women than men being sexualized in comics?
you are missing things up.
They never stated it was an absolute fact, just how they perceived thing.

It's people who say they are objectively wrong to feel that way and that therefore they are ridiculous for perceiving that, that need to provide proof.

I mean you are allowed to feel however you want and have the opinion you want up until it is proven wrong.

You are baiting, or you've got a very strange misconception.

>Literally "Feelings trump reality'.

Not to mention Spider-Man and Nightwing.

Implying Otome isn't mostly stupid shit either.
Part of the like for harems is the fantasy of it all.

>>Literally "Feelings trump reality'.
Nope.

You can have the opinion you want up until it is proven false literally means a respect of reality.

I mean, if an Opinion is proven true, it's no longer an opinion, it becomes a fact.

Then who the fuck cares, asshole?

Go read Jojo or Baki or Spider-Man or something if you want sexualized men instead of women. Nobody fucking cares about sexualized men.

Is capeshit the best thing to happen for bisexuals?

Moving the goal post
the post there was about making fun of the hawkeye people for "being proven wrong".

You have now moved the Goalpost from "they have been proven wrong" to "they need to prove they are right". At least have the dignity to admit that post was inaccurate

You know none of the people read comics.

>Then who the fuck cares, asshole?
You do, apparently, seeing you are making a big fuss of their Hawkeye doodles.

First, im not the user you were initially responding two, and second, im just enjoying making fun of them, i dont care much otherwise.

>im just enjoying making fun of them, i dont care much otherwise.
So you do care. I mean, it's just doodle, it's not stopping you from reading comics.

I literally said i dont care, i just enjoy making fun of it. Are you stupid?

>Is tumblr still a thing?
It is but kind of a ghost town. Unfortunately the same problem occurred that we face if /pol/ gets deleted. They spread. Which considering how anti-porn these people can be is very confusing. Now every week there is some dumb twitter drama cause an ex-tumblr xer decide a fan art is the wrong shade of brown, too sexy, lacks correct features etc. Though twitter seems to push back much harder on their bullshit

>There are contortionist that can fart on their own face but it’s hard for me to believe super acrobatic made up characters can be in difficult poses

user, your lying through your ass.
Redraw might not be good but the original has her looking like she's posing for a pinup photo.
Which is essentially what's happening because that's what Campbell prioritised.
The result just looks funny.

You fucking bet

Is it supposed to look like Hawkeye is doing something else? Cause I totally didn't realize he was drinking coffee until I enlarged it.

It really did though that's why nobody gave a shit apart from some femcel itt.

No, it is pretty much a case of muh feelz.

Oh grow up and get laid already, woman.

What's there to discuss? I like watching grown men in spandex beat each other up and pretty girls in sexy poses make my pp the big pp. Why does this aggravate you so much?

Because she wants to be the girl in sexy poses.

So why doesn't she? Did Ayatollah Sam Al Hyadi and the clerics of radical white Islam institute Incel sharia law or something? How long was I out??

>kneel behind Zod

How is he restraining a guy with super strength?

it would have worked better if the artists actually could draw

The bow and quiver made me laugh. Hate women for killing off the sexy stuff.

i have never seen a more obvious faggot twink iceman cosplayer. thanks bendis

Grifter is eye candy.

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You have no fucking clue what "moving the goal post" means, do you roastie?

>You have been proven wrong, if you want to keep spouting your shitty theory, you need to prove it right

That's how it fucking works, retard.

>just how they perceived thing.
There are also a lot of men that perceive women as being shrill, bitchy, and whiny. But that's not going to hold up in a debate or court or anything, so quit acting like it does here.

>It's people who say they are objectively wrong to feel that way
They're objectively wrong for saying it's an issue for WOMEN when BOTH sexes are subjugated to attractive characters being used for sex appeal in superhero stories.

>It’s okay when we sexualize people.

>How are some people so bad at online etiquette?

>Location: Florida
Bold of you to assume it's only the online etiquette he's lacking...

Showing off that the entire superhero genre means putting both men and women into ridiculously sexy, impossible, poses with impossible beauty standards is not "arguing semantics". It's proving you wrong.

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Go and commit not-alive like the other 41%

>They came up with a problem, and they were, and still, claim to be the solution.

Nice comic industry you have here. It be sad if someone called you sexist effectively ruining your reputation.

how do I achieve this form bros....

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>is not "arguing semantics". It's proving you wrong.
You actually are playing on the words, seeing the point is that women are more sexualised than men, the point is not that only women are sexualised.

Showing that men are sexualised doesn't prove them wrong. You need to establish that AS MUCH men as women are sexualised to prove them wrong.

What if, and I’m going to need you guys to hear me out on this. What if I put my face, and I know this just sounds wackey and wrong, but what if I put my face in between her boobies?

>But that's not going to hold up in a debate or court or anything, so quit acting like it does here.
How comics are done is not a dabte of court.

>They're objectively wrong for saying it's an issue for WOMEN when BOTH sexes are subjugated
Except what they are saying is that women are more sexualised than men, not that men never are, so no, you haven't proven them wrong.

>i just enjoy making fun of it.
So you do care.

And you need to establish that women are more sexualized than men in comics with more than just your "feelings" considering it's YOUR point to prove.

Considering there are twice as many male superheroes than women superheroes, chances are, men are far more fucking sexualized than women.

>Showcases countless examples of men being sexualized
>B-BUT YOU HAVEN'T PROVEN ME WRONG THOUGH

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this is why women are more sexualized in comics

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Cockstench is his kryptonite.

It's called looking over your shoulder at something behind you.

Squats and oats

Yes

I don't see how that pic prove your point.

Post more, please.

>And you need to establish that women are more sexualized than men in comics
Moving the goalpost, you are the one who claim it has been proven wrong. I am just correcting the record that it hasn't. Up until then, you can't say they have been proven wrong.

you have to prove that it happens as much as for women.

>Considering there are twice as many male superheroes than women superheroes
[citation needed]

A bit of Hulk cheesecake from mid 80's.

Whoops.

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>expect beefcake
>get a shitty /pol/ shitstorm instead
What happened to Yea Forums?

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>Moving the goalpost
Where?

>you have to prove that it happens as much as for women.
You need to prove it happens much more often than for men. Neither have been proven true, but baseless statement of "women are more sexualised than men" was first.

there's a beefcake thread up right now, user

>you have to prove that it happens as much as for women.
You literally need to prove that it happens more to women in the first place because that is the start of this argument. Without proving it, you're just saying it as a fact and then telling people, "Now YOU prove me wrong with numbers" even though you never even proved your own statement right to begin with.

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You started by saying that it had been proven wrong (it hasn't), now you moved the goalpost to saying it has to be proven true.
>You literally need to prove that it happens more to women in the first place
>You need to prove it happens much more often than for men.
I actually don't. I never said it had been proven true. You are the one who said I had been proven wrong. It hasn't.

I I had claimed it had been proven true, yes indeed, I would have to provide proof, but you are the one who made a claim, not me.

Thanks.

>I never said it had been proven true.
But you state "People feel like women are more sexualized than men" as if it's an objective fact instead of one based entirely on feelings that are warped by people selectively choosing what to pay attention to.

>Without proving it, you're just saying it as a fact
Never claimed it was a fact.

On the other hand, several people have claimed it had been proven wrong as a fact.

>GL Corps
do they just assume the gender of all the non humanoid members?

>But you state "People feel like women are more sexualized than men"
>feel like
user, you are aware "feel like" doesn't mean "proven true", right?

And you're aware "feel like" is absolutely useless to bring in a conversation and why people are calling out "feeling like" as being a stupid point to bring in a conversation like this, right?

>And you're aware "feel like" is absolutely useless to bring in a conversation
That's an irrelevant point, you are the one who claimed something as a fact, without proving it. That is what this conversation about.

But the bad anatomy is caused by his sexualisation. The drawn one look retarded, the real image has the same pose and wouldn't even get a blip on the controversy meter, and still looks good. Defending hacks by saying anyone who dislikes them must be threatened by the beautiful looking characters is retard argument. People wouldn't attack the same pose if it was drawn better, and it would be drawn better or at least a lot less inflammatory if he could use actual drawing tools instead of his dick to draw.

>several people have claimed it had been proven wrong as a fact.

Superheroes by their very nature are sexualized by default. They have impossible beauty and fitness standards. A large portion wear skin-tight clothing or clothing that happens to change its properties to be skin-tight to show off the contours of their physique.

There are far more male superheroes than women. Seen here: By sheer numbers alone, men win in the category of having more beefcake portrayals. And this is because of the previous statement where a superhero's very existence and design is meant to invoke eroticism and body perfection.

Men are sexualized more than women in superhero comics. There is a reason why Captain America has more porn drawn of him than Black Widow.

Feelings are objective when discussing subjective impressions. "I feel like this painting is representing something" is a way to express subjective view. If a large group of people "feels like" it's representing something then there's a good chance that it does, and while they might be wrong comics aren't exactly high art with lots of deep messages hidden in every panels art so it can be safely assumed that the impression people get is usually the impression artist had in mind.

>Superheroes by their very nature are sexualized by default. They have impossible beauty and fitness standards.
That's not what we are talking about. you are brining talking points on matter that were not discussed.

there was a claim that the statement "women are more sexualised than men" had been proven wrong and this is that claim that was argues about.

On a personal not, I love cheezecake, Iove sexy women in comics, but that doesn't mean one can made a false claim.

>There are far more male superheroes than women.
that doesn't prove "women are more sexualised than men" false.
>Feelings are objective when discussing subjective impressions.
good thing we weren't discussing subjective impression, we were discussing about them being proven wrong. So far they haven't been proven wrong.

It’s both.

Superhero comics are just soap operas for boys. Long drawn out story arcs told by various writers all never coming to any true definitive conclusion because there’s always another writer artist or actor waiting in the wings to take over. Both have there place and both can be enjoyed by either gender, I just don’t see men bitching that soap operas have an unrealistic portrayal of men

It’s just that comics equivalent to “I slept with your twin brother” is probably a samurai sword through the back

>There is a reason why Captain America has more porn drawn of him than Black Widow.
Not that user but that's quite rare. Female characters get way more porn than male ones in general. For example Zatanna, a c-lister, has almost as much porn as someone like Wolverine while Wonder Woman has way more porn than Cap, Widow, Zatanna and Wolverine

>Literally putting hands in ears going, "La, la, la".

This thread is more than just you. We're discussing everything in the thread, not just your own little world. If people make the claim BW is sexualized on the Avengers poster because you can see the definition of her ass even though she's just standing there, then it's making the suggestion that seeing the definition of anyone's body is sexualized. Which means, yes, men are more sexualized than women, because there are far more of them in comics and their body is always being defined through their clothing.

>>Literally putting hands in ears going, "La, la, la".
I don't.

>This thread is more than just you.
I know, but some in the thread made a wrong statement that was part of the conversation and when pointed out, instead of going "okay I was wrong about that part", they try to use arguing and bickering in a way to dismiss it.

I mean, you could have simply not replied to the post I made and that would be it, but no instead, you had to attempt to find a way to discredit it instead of moving on.

Like, I doubted it when some said there were more male than female superhero and I got provided data about itI didn't try to dismiss it, I simply said thank you for the info and didn't try to drag it down or make it look like there was still a possible counter argument. Maybe you should take example on that.

I agree.

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Who is that, she is kinda cute

a Yea Forums related thot

crashbandicoot.fandom.com/wiki/Nina_Cortex

the artist draws her cuter than what se officially is

crashbandicoot.fandom.com/wiki/Nina_Cortex

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>make fanart mocking a poster where the woman is the only one in a sexy pose by making all but the woman make a sexy pose
>recreate the picture with people, but genderswap it and completely miss the point of the parody by making everyone but the man pose suggestively.

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women cant get anything right

>i have never seen a more obvious faggot twink iceman cosplayer. thanks bendis
*ahem*

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>idiots don't realise she very much is positioned as she is for a reason
sex sells you virgins

But the sjw told me that sex doesn't sell. They said that unattractive characters sell because they're relate-able

>Captain America and the Log of Destiny

Its fapbait for /pol/, since wanting Hawkeye’s cock is less gay than touching a woman and getting estrogen on you.

BW's pose isn't much different than Cap's in the actual poster. If she were facing front, they would complain about her boobs instead of her butt. You can't win with these people.
Also doesn't she shoot things out of those wrist gauntlets? So that pose makes sense then.

I mean this has been the case for a while, women get all huffy when sexy shit that doesn't appeal to them is on screen, while men just enjoy the content regardless.

I've never personally been told that in my life.

Why is Yea Forums so averse to reading feminist theory? You guys pass off middle school level observations are epic debunks. Don't you know how to use a search engine for your entry level questions?

>buzzword, buzzword, buzzword, buzzword
fuck off

>Why is Yea Forums so averse to reading feminist theory
Because thats GNS.

Gay Nerd Shit.

Stop being a loser and get some pussy.

you should probably learn how to draw before trying to do that tho

Society is much better without social justice faggotry shitting everything up.

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But the fucking nitpicks are usually always in some way about anatomy you idiot.

They're probably extrapolating the over all percentage of females from the percentage of named GLs that are female

Hilde's face

>what the fuck is a "female power fantasy"
From long experience with fanfiction I have come to conclude that the classic female power fantasy is to be an arbitrary bitch who acts on the first emotion that pops into her head, especially resentment. Everyone loves her despite her being an obvious emotional burden, except for the baddies who hate her because they're evil.

Is this a secret genderbent fetish thread cause despite all the arguing all the pics are weirdly hot

If you're rich landowner I suppose