How and where do you prefer working out ideas, or writing them down? Notebook, computer, phone, or do you wing it? Alt Q: What's something creative you always admired wanted to copy/emulate?
Don't just post an image, let us know what your comic's called, and link us to it!
I can't believe dewd and coldfusion called laundry mom the n-word
Jose Gonzalez
It's always in notepad, but I would welcome a better system.
Colton Wilson
Why not? It's a comic and it's online. Not like there's a hard and fast rule for the definition.
Juan Edwards
Yes
Adam James
What's wrong user? to afraid to day nigga, nigga?
Michael Sanders
I assume in the fictional scenario this user has manufactured, we were talking *hard R* and when I glance at the 'recent bans' section of Yea Forums, there's a LOT of Papa John situations. like "that guy isn't a ___" or "don't call them a ___" so i'm not risking that shit. Bans suck, and undeserved bans are acid in the wound.
didn't realize it was supposed to look lame. It actually does look somewhat on-par with some of the more recent awkwardly-proportioned transformers combiners, such as the Beast Hunters dragon combiner This is hilarious dude. A good thing to practice right now is keeping your tube diameters more even. Not just drawing an S and a more different S, we all know what happens then.
Lincoln Stewart
>/hyw/'s Darkest Hour So let's talk character development! Everyone here is presumably still doing comics, what lessons be learned?
Yeah tubes suck. I am going to touch those up before the end of the week.
Funny you mention transformers. I actually did base Justisaurus off of PotP Volcanicus, with the dinos mixed around. In fact the 4th chapter is going to be a big transformers parody where Tad fills in on a knockoff Devastator. I have a big collection of robots toys...
throwing very small bumps in the road at a character who can handle or even dismiss them does not solve the 'character has things too easy so it's boring' problem. neither does throwing at them problems so irritating and convoluted that they throw up their hands and immediately give up.
Dylan Bell
Those will do you a LOT of good to study maybe better ones than this, but yeah for intentional awkwardness? you couldn't ask for more.
Christian Lewis
I have been trying to learn how to draw planes, because the next chapter is the Sky High Sentai, which was foreshadowed with a throw away joke from earlier. Planes are probably the hardest thing I have ever tried to draw, so I have just been drawing random decepticon jets from my collection on sticky notes.
Chase Foster
yeah seekers are good. check out macross valkyries too if you can find the schematics, they have just a gorgeous and functional look that helps you wrap your head around how the fuck planes work
Benjamin Foster
good backstory is not character development. every major character should grow and change based on the events unfolding.
Brody Brown
I generally write things down in paper notepads and have begun keeping post-it notes around to just write small snippets on. Computer displays are problematic when you come up with something in the middle of the night. tapas.io/episode/1461291
Leo Baker
>How and where do you prefer working out ideas, or writing them down? I just use .txt files >Alt Q: What's something creative you always admired wanted to copy/emulate? Hiimdaisy's Metal Gear comics. They're great. Minus the gender bender shit, Out Of Placers is exactly what I want out of a webcomic and it's what I'd be doing if I could come up with any furry stories.
If your computer is Windows it should come with a program called Wordpad. Open it up and see if that works better. There's guides to make it the default program. Or you can just pin it to the taskbar.
In hindsight I shouldn't have tried to be funny, I just wanted a glib way to bring that back up again.It feels like the arguments he brought up were dismissed *emotively* and not *logically*. If the situation is real then the problem remains unresolved.
He overstated or lied about parts of his argument to keep the tone. >you don't learn how to be part of a team with a webcomic The comics industry is shit, being e-famous is the end goal >the odds of being noticed are infinitesimal Everyone already knows that, getting money to do your *hobby* is the end goal >you have to engage with your Patreons Should* >you know what isn't a big deal? >that you've made 1200 posts to your webcomic That is a massive deal. Even the more reasonable 300 pages his friend did shows he made 2? 3? graphic novels himself and under his own power. But more importantly, I have proof that people care about this. Eagle Ordinary is a Warhammer 40k comic that isn't updating anymore because the author is now working for Games Workshop. After they found out about Eagle Ordinary.
>How and where do you prefer working out ideas, or writing them down? Notebook, computer, phone, or do you wing it? I usually just randomly think of stuff and write it down on my phone if I think it could work as a comic. I occasionally sit down and try to brainstorm ideas every now and then though if I'm really really REALLY bored.
I legit think every one who is going into comic or game industry now is just using them as a steppingstone to sell their shitty script to Hollywood. Comics gate unironically btfoing marvel in sales. Practice shows going solo is the best solution.
Charles Parker
webcomics don't become films graphic novels, on the other hand...
Lincoln Flores
>script >comic
Cameron Wood
Anyone have some good suggestions or tips for drawing short simple comics? I keep trying to write these big epic stories but I should be doing smaller stories to practice since I'm new to writing and drawing. What are some fun simple story ideas I could write and practice drawing?
Does anyone have enough subscribers/views to take part in the ad sharing? I'm curious, I just want to know how much it is when you finally reach that point? $25 a month?
Nolan Bennett
Write short stories and try to convert those into a small storyboard that is less than four pages long. You could even take short stories that already exist and convert those
James Martin
Those really old early 2000s sprite comics, I guess. Can't really think of anything else.
Landon Myers
Thread died just as I posted.
As far as I got last night. Tough page. I think it’s starting to come together, though.
I still need to read your comic, but I have to say that I've loved the designs for those white-faced crying pilgrims.
Logan Wood
I’m glad to hear that, because there’s going to be quite a lot of them in the chapters to come.
Jaxon Hernandez
That sounds like a fun idea, I'll give it a try.
Jace Jenkins
lunch time messing with the CSP update -Update is already at 1.9.2, apparently the new update caused files to not load properly post update so a patch was pushed out. -Text tool skew works, it's a bit laggy on my computer but otherwise works alright. Layer effects like outlining still works and you CAN add text post skew. Only complaint is that the skew is rather limited, you can only skew it so the opposite lines are perpendicular. You can't skew to a trapezoid shape or other irregular shapes. I also can't find a reset button, so be warned about that before you mess around too much. You can also mirroring it, but you have to click through the settings to enable it. -Layer palette where the view/eye icon is got transformed to an empty box when clicked off. -smart smudging/smoothing has different intensities. It also lets you choose which of your graphics drivers or cpu the function uses. It just feel like a less blurry blur. I think using waifu2x might still be a better option for resizing. -Tags for materials got updated. I guess if you have a lot of materials you downloaded you might find it easier to look for types of materials vs user defined tags. Favorites is back from manga studio 4, which is kind of nice. You get to give your favorite materials a cute little pink heart which makes them show up in your favorites folder. -3d book viewer on share is pretty cool. I used it on a comic I found on twitter and it's a bit slow right now, probably from the update, but it doesn't look too bad. More gimmicky than functional, I guess. -New tool- rounded balloon. ...It's a squared oval? Rounded square? -Perspective skew, it's just forcing free transform to have one side resized evenly to the center of that line. I guess if you can't eyeball it yourself you'll find it useful. -new "getting started" guide. Quick image slideshow for those who have never touched art software before. -Ruler handles changed. It's a bit easier to understand what each one does, so that's good.
>Alt Q: What's something creative you always admired wanted to copy/emulate? i want to put a few short walkaround games in my comic so fucking badly
Mason Garcia
>hands are like 50% of the expressions from characters I tried to focus on faces, because I thought that was what expression sheets were mainly for. Are hands that necessary in expression sheets?
Anthony Lopez
Thank you for your review. What does the 3d book viewer look like? And the ruler handles?
Colton Russell
>Are hands that necessary in expression sheets? Sometimes, it's not like anyone will force you to do it that way. If they have a tick with their hands for certain expressions, like throwing their hands up in excitement or making specific hand gestures at specific times it can help to get those down on paper to figure out the character more. It also lends itself to posture changes when the character expresses certain emotions. If you draw a character who's face is "angry", it makes sense to also draw them with their arms crossed and maybe their hip shifted to the side. Or maybe the hands in a fist while they either stand straight or throwing their chest/upper body forward. Arms crossed shows the character more reserved, while fisted hands can show them as being more confrontational or angry.
Although, the use of hands is more useful for the actual comic. Say you have a character that's staring up in exasperation, or rolling their eyes. You can increase that expression by placing one hand on the forehead and the other palm up (or have both hands palm up) and to the side in a classic "you have got to be kidding me" look. You go from 2/10 of being annoyed to 7/10 done with this shit just by adding hands.
This update the Director is having his own issues building up. Trying to make a bio weapon that isn't working and now intruders trying to infiltrate his lab.
>How and where do you prefer working out ideas, or writing them down? Usually I do it while I'm at work. I always used notepad before (pen on paper just felt better and more natural) but due to ease of access I'm gonna start using my phone to record notes.
I just launched my reboot today! The first 5 pages as well as the cover for the first chapter are up for reading. The next update will be out on tuesday! Give it a read if it looks interesting to you and I would love to know what you think!
>What does the 3d book viewer look like? Top image is regular view, not zoomed in, second image is the 3d book view zoomed out. You can rotate it and look at the cover, and when you click the next page it shows a page flipping animation. You can zoom in and out on both, so you aren't missing anything either way you choose to read it. You can check it out for yourself here: share.clip-studio.com/en-us/contents/b6624ccc-3f50-438f-8cd0-36ebf6ef86b4 (not my comic, found it on twitter)
>And the ruler handles? Bottom image shows how the parallel ruler's handles look. It's more easy to distinguish between what's the handle and the selection icon (diamond), and when that icon is an x, you can tell that the ruler is turned off. Before you had to memorize which color was on or off. The perspective ruler's handles are even more unique, so you can distinguish between each icon and select each one to be on or off. Looking at it again, it seems a bit intimidating, but it's going to take a lot of guess work out of the ruler once you recognize what each icon looks like.
There's more bits and pieces like translation changes and location swithcing I didn't mention, but they are pretty minor to be honest.
>How and where do you prefer working out ideas, or writing them down? Notebook, computer, phone, or do you wing it? Notebook, but I flesh it out in a form of bulletpoints, so I could do the pacing right. >What's something creative you always admired wanted to copy/emulate? Music, probably?
>squared oval FINALLY >perspetive skew i was doing that by hand, that's gonn acome in handy the text thing sounds pretty pointless though for the types of warping I need to do to text, I guess I'll keep rasterizing first.
yo these are sick, can you link me to where I can read this? i just watched evangelion so robots fighting angels gets my dick hard
Sebastian Allen
awesome! you currently have the splash page set up so that 'latest' takes you to the first page is that intentional because it's the first page of a new update? because if so, good job. that makes sense. are you going to update in chunks in the future? otherwise I'll bookmark the front page and pay attention to it.
Yeah, that was intentional. All future updates will just be 1 page, so that's why it says "Latest Page". My update schedule will be Wednesday one week, then Tuesday and Thursday the next week, and then it repeats like that.
Zachary James
So what you're saying is you're doing nothing wrong! except spelling
Ayden Brown
I'm doing nothing right either.
Zachary Diaz
Perfect. I'll bookmark the /comics/ url what's something right you can do right now?
Levi Taylor
>what's something right you can do right now? Kill myself.
Jace Garcia
That doesn't make a good comic
Benjamin Gomez
In fact it makes a good news article. Are you a filthy JOURNALIST, user?
Parker Moore
This panel is like 50 pages into the future. Enjoy!
Then stop wanting to make a comic. Try wanting to do what you're good at. That or get better. Those are your options.
Jordan Brown
Self-loathing posting on Yea Forums won't help anything, user. Not even attention from a handful of other anons can fill whatever gaping hole you feel.
Brandon Jones
>Try wanting to do what you're good at. I'm not good at anything, that's the whole problem.
Logan Perry
How do I get better at writing? Do I "just write"
Gabriel Foster
Write your story. Then try writing it again but from the villain's perspective.
Connor Jenkins
>Self-loathing posting on Yea Forums won't help anything, user It wont, but it's better than (or the same as) just constantly refreshing 4channel
Isaac Butler
>the text thing sounds pretty pointless though for the types of warping I need to do to text, I guess I'll keep rasterizing first. Yeah, personally I was hoping it was going to be something more free-form or like mesh transform but it's a good start regardless. Maybe they'll add more features over time, since it seems that the new text tool is more vector-like now.
I'll try and check this later, but I wonder if there is going to be a quality difference between regular text>raster>transform vs skewed text>raster>transform. If the end result winds up being even a little bit less fuzzy it might be worth to make it work.
Read, write, learn and understand what makes something good or bad, rewrite, read outside of your comfort zone... You can check out some writing tutorials or books on writing, it's going to be a bunch of people telling you what's subjectively good and what's right, but it might give you a headstart on understanding pacing and narrative techniques you can incorporate into your writing to improve it.
Charles King
you gotta read. its kind like that saying for body builders, "great bodies are made in the kitchen, not the gym" if you feed your mind well, you will have good source material to draw upon to synthesize your own ideas. but synthesization is a skill that must be honed. it takes practise.
Charles Roberts
no, its worse because you're doing it in a thread about making webcomics. go to /adv/ if you want help or /soc/ if you want to talk to people, or fuck go to Yea Forums but this is a thread were people are trying to be productive, get feedback on their artwork and network. this isn't the time or the place for your ego trip.
Nolan Richardson
Everyone's good at something. You're good at doubting, maybe be a fact-checker.
Cameron Adams
This short story made me laugh more than anything so far. Love it.
Anthony Hughes
There's plenty of people who are just born losers, it's bad luck and you can't do anything about it >if they just tried they would become good That's why they are losers to the end, they don't try. They are born without any passion and any desire to win, they just are. Sad but true.
Ryan Myers
nah, I'm not one of those tryfags. everyone's good at something with only a minimum of trying, or a bit of instruction, and that should be the first thing you try doing. There's just something you aren't thinking of. Listen to Mike Rowe a bit.
Isaac Harris
>only a minimum of trying, or a bit of instruction, and that should be the first thing you try doing. >"they don't try"
Easton Allen
good writers consume a lot of media. you need to go out and just read/watch a ton of very different things. then examine their nuances. try to develope an appreciation for genres you have no interest in. unironically surf tvtropes. if you can withstand the bullshit, it does wonders to know how to identify tropes and how they work and can be used. its also great for springboards. ultimately you have to find your voice. that just comes with time and practice.
Kevin White
No site yet, we're working on it! We want a huge backlog.
Gavin Barnes
What comic?
Gavin Collins
Ringo the Assassin. Psychedelic sci-fi drama.
Jason Martinez
Been a while since I posted here :) lots of new pages if you haven't been keeping up
>making some progress That you are. Getting close to a kinda late 90s disney style. and see how nice the varying line weights and tapered ends look? Now try to keep those eyes more lined up, and move the ear lower (they line up more or less with the nose, remember?)
Noah Jenkins
>How and where do you prefer working out ideas, or writing them down? Notebook, computer, phone, or do you wing it? Sticky notes, drive files, etc. >What's something creative you always admired wanted to copy/emulate? Sharp edges with a fat outline, just like Panty & Stocking. Read Ghadar Adventures here: >smackjeeves.com/comicprofile.php?id=179527 Page 25 is on dev.
well that's the level of technological competence I would expect from the comic site where you can't even scroll right without it spazzing out and jumping haead or behind
Luke Davis
if you are referring to page 2 panel 2 on the left, that page was drawn physically, its sort of just near the edge of my ability to see those details and the thickness of the pen tool I am using to be able to include more details. If I do include them it might be at risk of become unreadable. I have been more conscious about how much detail I added to some parts of my art so it isn't being work on endlessly. One of the ways to do that is to draw them physically using traditional mediums.
some people have fucktons of talent but they also pick up skills and don't fully realize how much work they've put in
Caleb Martinez
>some people have fucktons of talent no one here has that
Joshua Cruz
>108771302 whoa, you sure showed me! rococo looks like shit now and I feel like an idiot for acknowledging it.
Jace Flores
I wasn't talking about the art, but responding to opening post about stories. A lot of my stuff is made up on the spot, kinda. Although I have general ideas I'll start with a storyboard and go back to rework it to refine the story idea, but its very storyboard driven. I might produce multiple version of how certain event turn out to find the one I like better. Although it produced unlimited amount of work so I am trying to avoid doing that recently and just stick with just one.
>I'll try and check this later, but I wonder if there is going to be a quality difference update: I was able to test this a little bit ago, there is in fact a significant different between the two. I didn't grab a screen shot but I did try both ways and got the two different transformations to match up as much as possible with as little adjustments as possible. The skew-then-raster conversion did a lot better and held crisper lines. So at least on that front it's going to make things nicer looking.
What I DO have a screenshot of is testing out vectoring the text layers. Surprisingly, whatever they did to make the text tool allow skewing has helped out with vectoring text layers. Before, if you attempted to convert text layers to vector layers, it would only create awkward outlines of your text that lacked fill. Now it actually retains the shape of the letters as simple lines and not outlines. Albeit a little lumpy, it wasn't that bad looking and using the simplify and line weight change vector tools made the lumps not nearly as visible. I'm sure if I or someone else had the time they could find the perfect technique for de-lumping the text.
What this means is that creating unique transformations that still look crisp is in fact available in this update. Just not directly like you would hope. There's literally no need to rasterize layers, get used to vectoring layers and using the available tools if you haven't already gotten into the habit.
I hope that helps someone who wants to cut out additional software out of their comic lettering process
I've had really limited results from CSP's mesh transformation in general. the skew is okay, but I need things like flag-ripple, arching, etc thanks for testing stuff out, user
Ethan Carter
information is in the OP you can get a free host or you can pay for your own, it's up to you. A lot of the free hosts have streamlined upload and page creation processes. On the other hand, the big mobile ones streamline things so hard that you have zero control and your site is lousy and cookiecutter.
Eli Ward
which ones have a big audience?
Isaac Hernandez
>but I see talent. kek, I see none.
James Lewis
Is it possible to make an isekai that isn’t based on jrpg videogames
Hunter Anderson
>thanks for testing stuff out, user No prob, it's actually kind of fun in a way
As for the mesh in CSP, I've had similar disappointments. I think the biggest issue right now is that there is currently no way to make those changes smoothly. You can't do two or more points or lines at the same time, can't do boxes, and the best you can do is eyeball them which just doesn't work. You can add more squares to the grid, but it's not like that makes a world of a difference making things smooth or consistent. At least it works for super simple things like comic sound effects or whatever, but CSP still has a long way to go before it hits full on Photoshop replacement for illustrators and graphic designers.
Jaxon Butler
the only ones whose audience cares what site it's on. the mobileshit ones. if you want a fickle audience who will turn on you if you say the wrong words, go nuts.
Brayden Cook
yes but why would you? isekai is gay and ridiculously overplayed, at least the RPG part is fun. Why not do it in reverse? Game-ass person comes to live in real life, keeps doing things with a stat-based mindset and has trouble dealing with the nuances.
Connor Roberts
Going to another world is fun. Why not do something that hasn't been done before?
Chase Williams
>Going to another world is fun Yeah but being-from-the-not-another-world is lousy. The comic already takes the reader on a trip to another world, it doesn't need a POV character to actually be from real life. They can just be an outsider of some kind and it works just as well. Honestly it didn't bother me until I heard it had a name, and started seeing it everywhere. That said, I only just started watching Log Horizon, and I like it for automatically doing more interesting things with the premise than .Hack did
Jaxon Perez
>The comic already takes the reader on a trip to another world Not true. It's almost always the same setting.
Joshua Watson
well that's why real-life stories bore me. But at the very least, they take you into the world of someone else's life
do one where the guy is a murderous psychopath and the prison gives him a vr world to go to. but the only game they allow is animal crossing. he is forced to be an upstanding member of a peaceful cute society.
Cooper Robinson
shit that would actually be amazing like you get some time off of your sentence for virtual good behavior, as a method of training from the same idiots who think game violence trains you to kill, they'd imagine this would fix you probably. and you'd have people gaming the system, finding exploits... or just getting bored of it because realistically anything like that created for that purpose would be mind-numingly terrible
Bentley Jenkins
Narnia is technically isekai so yeah "other world" stories don't always need to be cliche
Oliver Martin
yeah but let's be real, Lewis and Tolkien were pals, their fantasy worlds run on the same shit, and Tolkien became tabletop games, which became JRPGs, so it's all the same DNA.
Evan Taylor
Samurai Jack can be considered isekai when you think about it
Nathaniel Scott
One thing I'd like to see is someone who's in another world, fucking loves it, and CONTINUES to love it, much more than everyone else in that setting who's used to it, long after they should reasonably be used to it. Never once wants to go back. and all their suggestions for improving things involve modifications that have nothing to do with the old home
Alexander Gutierrez
I write most of my ideas in a notebook. I have this one idea that i'm brewing but too afraid to act on it.
Jordan Rivera
so full indulgence? it could be like Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced except the crippled kid doesn't need to go back to his shitty life because the main character says so
Im so glad I could bring a smile to you guys. I'll try to post more, I draw little comics all the time.
Josiah Davis
Im loving that wip, looks dope
James Gonzalez
I wish i was this good.
Adam Lopez
>monster of the week-esque series following the scp project. yay or nay?
Jaxson Jackson
Tell me more about Rococo’s personality
Henry Allen
we already have a fan-made animated series that's incredible. no point in a webcomic like that.
Brayden Johnson
Thank you.
This looks great!
Ayden Hughes
How do I get ideas to write about?
Gavin Morales
Read books (not fiction), watch TV, watch movies.
Joseph Brown
Why does it have to be non-fiction books? What good will watching TV and movies do, it just rots the brain.
Ian Clark
Because it promotes lateral thinking. You'll go, "Oh, that would make for a neat concept." as opposed to going, "Oh, I should just use this concept from a YA novel."
>What good will watching TV and movies do
Movies and TV shows storyboard and block out all of their shots before they ever start shooting. When they start shooting, you can bet what you're seeing what paneled in someway. Then when you figure that the best TV shows and movies (critically best, not normie shit like GoT), usually attract the best people in their field (specifically cinematographers) you can get an idea for how things should look when you actually start working on your script.
Xavier Taylor
Have any of you be interested into making a VN rather than a webcomic?
Logan Reed
I almost turned an old highschool drama into one but couldnt find a good enough drag and drop engine for it. I didnt want to spend the time building my own in a more traditional game engine
Cooper Rodriguez
renpy or godot, which are pretty good for VN.
godot for coding something more complex than a mere VN.
Logan Bailey
Not the original poster, but getting perspective on people outside yourself can really help you create characters that feel more authentic.
James Sanchez
Thank you so much!!! Super happy you think so!
I've was interested! Thought it would be fun to do, but I couldn't even figure out how to get anything to really work in the game engines I tried haha.
Sebastian Anderson
You do not- the idea justifies the comic. There are better fields otherwise.
Only just started doing this again, but now I’ve got a backlog and I’m feeling confident that I can keep up with it consistently...these characters are just really fun to write for
archived currently but try for theorycrafting and support. They look like one of the dumber threads but they'll opinions on the VNs they read if nothing else. You were that guy I talked about Doki Doki Literature Club with, right?
Blake Baker
>but they'll opinions on the VNs they read if nothing else. And can point you in a better direction than /hyw/ probably can*
Joseph Foster
Make whatever you want it doesnt matter if its "already been done" because you can still put a spin on it
Angel Reed
lyrics
Dylan Lopez
that's a great instagram name but you need a website or I aint readin it. On a GOOD day I can actually get instagram to load, let alone display.
Bentley Myers
Oh you're making one, okay good I should read down before replying
James Turner
No worries Look for hellobirdman.com in the next couple of weeks, I’m aiming to have it all together by August
Also yeah, Instagram is NOT ideal to me, but I had to start somewhere or else I was never gonna work of the wherewithal to actually do it
Jaxon Taylor
I do hope you stick around these threads as well. We've had a neat influx of really nicelooking 'cartoon' comics lately.
Jaxson Cruz
Not that user, but here's what I noticed: -Ear too high -Eye on the left is higher than the eye on the right and angled too much -The nose and mouth are placed too far left, making her face look concave -The neck shouldn't taper out like that and should be farther back.
Can I share ideas on here too? I'm new to these type of threads, and I want to have my idea critiqued.
Easton Bennett
Ideas are encouraged. By all means please share.
Zachary Johnson
I love enemies that do shit like that
Jose Myers
>eyesaur
hehe
Colton Perez
oh god, i JUST got that
John Bailey
Premise: Character can only enter people's mind when they're subjected to pain. Any pain. Be it physical, emotional, you name it. But only if he inflicts it.
He's a detective, has been fired once after using his power against another detective but brought back a week later when an inmate starts ragging off names of gang members and character is needed to confirm if its true. The problem with that is that he can only see inside the mind of the inmate, he can't actually tell if its true or false unless the inmate believes it. To be completely sure, he'd have to dig deeper, causing him to stay with the inmate subjecting pain into him for longer than should be necessary to dig into his mind. Cruel, but whatever gets evidence to support it, right?
If he's in pain, and has caused it himself or has let himself get into pain (weak defenses on purpose) he digs into his own mind. It's uncomfortable to the point of hysteria and character digs up memories and thinks everything twice while it happens. Pain caused by digging up memories causes a cycle, only way to fix it is to cool himself down. Of course, if he's in the middle of the conflict, it'll do no good. Losing his patience with himself, and losing morality, character might act wildly.
His power itself is sort of known by outsiders. They can see his process of getting information (ribbing and insulting the questioned, in rare cases having to use physical contact) but since they can't see him entering the person's mind, they simply think he must be able to deduce most things due to the way they react. Think he's very analytical, but it goes far deeper than that, as we (I) know.
I wanted to make a detective story, however I want to make it more modern. I was think around the 2000's era. You never hear about detective stories in the now, you know?
Critique heavily appreciated.
Grayson Garcia
it sounded really edgy until you pointed out that verbal abuse counts as pain. that alone makes it a bit more compelling. could be really interesting with a multi-leveled plot with a ton of intrigue. you could even do a rashoman thing with different people's perspectives. i think making it dated, but not too old is a nice touch. sticking them with flip phones and early internet would be rather cool.
Luke Harris
>The problem with that is that he can only see inside the mind of the inmate, he can't actually tell if its true or false unless the inmate believes it Technically, it can be false even if an inmate believes it is true. or vice versa
> It's uncomfortable to the point of hysteria and character digs up memories and thinks everything twice while it happens. There's a cool Sandman chapter that shows hysteria pretty well and the artwork changes to reflect it, doing a Rashomon thing with different art styles sounds cool.
>Think he's very analytical, but not magical So, it's the opposite of Psych.
>I was think around the 2000's era. You never hear about detective stories in the now, you know? I can recall mostly police procedural stuff, but I guess you meant noir instead of detective mysteries.
Lincoln Mitchell
I started working on a new webcomic series. I hope to work on it whenever I have some downtime during work.
I hate when that happens and then when it's nearly empty, and you WANT to do that, it doesn't work.
Jordan Perry
A multi-leveled plot and different points of view is exactly what I've been thinking, but it'll take me a while to do it. Obviously, I wanna write the plot and have everything settled before I start drawing anything. I'm still not good at drawing either, so it'll give me time to practice on both. I'll go check this Rashomon thing out. And I'll put Sandman on my reading list as well. Also, yeah I'm gonna be researching police shit and how it was back in the 2000's. I've been listening to police radios when I'm in my downtime to get an understanding of how it works, though it won't do me much good since I'm focusing on the detective side of it. And I'll need a case too, a goal to get to. Anyways thanks for the critique!
Hudson Roberts
great style! you´r a pro in marketing or something?
Thanks! I appreciate the flattering comment but no haha
Logan Phillips
Well my idea starts out a man raising his demon daughter he stole from a succubus that held him captive. Because of that he now has PTSD of women and is even afraid of his own daughter could become one and take his soul. The mother already knows about it and finds him immediately but makes a wager with him. On her 16 birthday if she awakens to her powers you will forfeit your soul to your daughter.
He takes the deal and tries to find a way to seal her powers. He runs into a shrine where he meets a man and his daughter. He ask the guy about sealing his daughter powers and at the same time asks to be trained to be an exorcist.
The story ends with the father and then the real story begins with the daughter and the Kannushi daughter who are now shrine maidens. They hang out at the Occult club with a martial arts girl and her childhood friend a chubby kid who wants be a doctor. A rich kid that owns the club and another girl who transferred in months ago.
The setting is a bit weird though. It's in america but there's a japanese shrine here. What I wanted to put in there that the Rich kid father family is protected by the Shrine madiens from many years ago. So he builds a new shrine in america. The year is 2019 but I really don't want to tie in the stuff that's happening now.
Well that's the jist of it. If there's more I should add or at least you have any questions please ask. First time writing my idea out like this is kinda of nerve-racking on what critique will come.
Robert Phillips
Every time I try to draw a face it feels like I’m giving it a totally different structure. How do you learn to draw someone with consistency?
I like that idea a lot. I feel like it would benefit from a decent amount of workshopping to refine the idea and maybe change around a few details that serve the general idea better.
Eli Brooks
>it would benefit from a decent amount of workshopping to refine the idea and maybe change around a few details that serve the general idea better can you explain further? but thanks. I've been talking to most of my friends about it and they really did like the idea.
Evan Nelson
It's fucking tough. you have to train yourself to notice differences. Like how 10:30 there has much wider hair than 12:10, and much more downward-pointing a nose than the more upturned nose at 9:00 or how 7:30's nose is way further down than 6:00's, because you moved the nose up to make more room for the mouth, or down to fill space. you've gotta learn to only move the lower jaw because the upper jaw is fixed, and only express with the upper LIP. things like that. Going by baldy at 4:30 I assume this wasn't an actual attempt at consistency
Aaron Ortiz
It's just what you do with ideas, you think about them, share them with people who want to contribute, consider changes. Look at the original ideas for a lot of comic books and movies compared to what happened in the end. The original short story concept Stan Lee wrote out for the Fantastic Four is a perfect example of this. You can see how he had these great ideas, but not everything was going to work, and a lot of improvements were made on the way to the actual comic.
Leo Green
Oh I see. Thanks I'm gonna keep what you said. Do you know where I can read Stan Lee short story? It just might give me some ideas on how to go about this more.
Luis Thomas
Thank you for putting it into words. If I could, I’d upvote you, sir.
Nathan Lewis
It's nice being appreciated. I wish my art was as good as my advice, or that I was as popular as my anonymous posts.
Xavier Garcia
TFW can't decide if main protag's love interest should be dark skinned miranda tier cat girl or dark skinned pirotess tier elf.
Ayden Lewis
>Shhh user, be quiet and listen to me If the differences aren'tREALLY big, only you'll notice
Isaiah Hernandez
cat-elf. all the way. not nearly enough of those outside of anime.
Gavin Edwards
I would not have too much trouble keeping track of who this guy is. But let's say you want to include a 90s Steve Harvey character too, maybe it's his dad. Now you have to keep the two consistent enough to tell them apart. Sure you'd go by the moustache, but what if their backs are turned?
Xavier Sanders
it means your idea will change and refine over time
Christopher Campbell
How do I share a script?
Michael Watson
Progress made, but painfully slow this week. All sorts of frustrations. Lots need to be fixed, but we're getting there.
>people are out there living life, experiencing with friends, developing relationships, having sex >I'm home alone drawing dogshit comics that only a handful of people will read, and most of them are probably drive by readers who will forget it ever existed
they'll all regret what they've done, eventually. if they claim to be happy, it's mostly a lie or a delusion required to maintain the appearance of successful independence, because the only thing they fear more than failure is giving control up to anyone else.
Ryder Foster
what does that have to do with comics
Henry Moore
shhh, friends and relationships are temporary. internet comics are forever.
Brandon Davis
drawing comics is better than having fake relationships. yeah this
Jack Diaz
>forget it ever existed Nah, too many of you are total trash. I'll never forget dewd's utter garbage excuse for a comic and its 3rd grader art style. I'll never forget nunc's dogshit Mass Effect wannabe, or coldfusion's absolutely "meh" comic that by all rights I should've forgotten by now but his antics have cemented that ms paint looking turd in my memory banks.
Kayden Miller
Do I just share a Dropbox link here or do I need to make an account somewhere
what, copying the exact panel format and poses? in my personal view i dont see any problems with this if you do it sparingly im not sure if the joke was copied either, dont see the similarities
but there will be some people who will screech the loudest they can for being a hack who didnt come up with 100% original poses and page layouts
Isaac Collins
i meant if copying panel format and poses from a page is akin to comedians biting jokes and similarly deplorable i feel as though its different in that I have a legitimate claim to doing so as a learning processes. that, and I'm not operating in a professional context in any capacity, thus my work in no way threatens the work, so its fair to say I'm "paying homage"
Ayden Mitchell
nobody cares, professionals do it, no rules only tools
It's a cool pose, why the fuck not? Who cares? The original artist probably posed it from some photo anyway. In the digital age there's no such thing as tracing or stealing, just make sure the pixels don't align.
Easton Clark
I'm pretty sure i've seen threads saying it was stolen art
Noah Stewart
only retards will tell you its a problem. the pic from got dumdum anime fans in a stir (even tho toriyama did the same thing) No it's not a problem. every shot & pose imaginable has been done, it doesn't matter anymore. if you're new to this you'll learn as you go on you'll do it less and less. some manga writers who lack drawing skill will use other manga panels as examples in drafts for their artists to reference.
The Dragon ball thing got called out largely because Toyotaro, the guy drawing the DBS Manga, has straight-up traced MANY panels, tons of which were pretty iconic old panels that Toriyama drew in the DBZ manga in the past.
I mean, its one thing to copy, its another thing to trace, and then its another thing entirely to straight up trace iconic, well-known images. Kind of like Greg Land literally tracing image macros and meme images, and Gene Simmons son straight up tracing Bleach manga panels for his "comic."
Is the orange hair to neon or do I need to find a different color to use? I want to keep this character as a redhead.
Luis Wilson
New Monvana episode is up! I've been having a great time writing these and being a little experimental with the colors. I'm going for that feel of the Gold/Silver era Pokémon sprites, which has been an interesting learning experience to emulate.
I will need to thank you as well. Looking at your stuff really give me a lot of inspiration on how to approach a page recently. Just some things that hadn't considered before.
She is brash, confident, and came across as precocious because of what she looks like. She has the tendency to lecture her adversary and allies alike about topics she know well in inopportune circumstances like in the middle of a fight. She is really good at what she does in the magical girl and super soldier areas and likes to be smug about it. Although she'd rather be known as a good cook and baker but she is definitely not.
In private she has a sort of imposter syndrome because she always thought there are more suited leaders among her peers but she has become a community institution over the years simply because she is the only one that survived. She is terrified of leading people astray but sometimes she couldn't help herself but go on and on about things she knows sometimes. She also have trouble admitting that she is wrong if she think it shows weakness, and often try to bluff through it whenever someone call her out on her judgements.
She does confide her fuck up with her long time partner Gerek in private from time to times.
I love this comic so much. I would buy notdragon bathwater
Gabriel King
Thing is the Bleach panels everyone says are traced look totally different too, he copied them (and it was a weird thing to copy, like the character's exact facial features. that's definitely plagiarism) but at that point why NOT trace? they're at different angles.
Bentley Garcia
looks fine! hnngg
Carson Peterson
good job ringo
Colton Young
Hi, here again. How many heads tall should i aim for a full body drawing? 7 or 8?
Bentley Campbell
1! she's just a head that hops around
naw dude you have to eyeball this stuff.
Ethan Peterson
>How and where do you prefer working out ideas, or writing them down? Notebook, computer, phone, or do you wing it?
most digital devices. i know i know, nothing beats pen and paper but my handwriting sucks..
>Alt Q: What's something creative you always admired wanted to copy/emulate?
....idk...most anime power systems were pretty neat and jojo and guilty gears character designs are so cool but i suck at drawing details ye know.
pictured here is some random capeshit character with concussive force powers. ....her name is knockout... though later on hw callers herself total knockout and starts wearing a black bodysuit
>How and where do you prefer working out ideas, or writing them down? Notebook, computer, phone, or do you wing it?
At work. I think about a lot of stuff while working and sometimes I think about where my comic can go. If I get a flash of brilliance that I think will make a good addition for my comic I write it down and expand on it later at home. I already have a concept for the next chapter of Merchant & Pike ready. It's going to take place in a dungeon full of mimics and shape shifters.
Oh nothing beats adding something to a story and then looking back at previous elements and finding out that the new thing fits perfectly. Like, I have this character who is part of a certain species, but is captured and sold into slavery. One of my problems with it, is that he's of a species that would be much suited to being a soldier than being a worker. Then I had it that he was actually mixed so his features don't conform too closely his race so the slavers don't recognize him as being a potential soldier. It really smoothed out that issue for me.
Depends on the body type. Is she tall, short or average? Also the heads to height method is not something you can completely rely on. Especially if you are going for a more stylized look. I think its better to try sketching out your character first and then measuring it after than the other way around. If you have issues with the proportions, try looking at a photo reference or look up one of the thousands of guides on google.
>want to adapt a classic 100+ year old story >main character is too young to sexualise Fuck. What do? Also what are some stories like this with a female lead that's old enough to sexualise?
Ethan Fisher
A D A P T
Landon Sanchez
>main character is too young to sexualise Where do you think we are?
I suppose I want to end this comic at some point so I can actually say I've ended something. The art ain't exactly great, but hey, it's fun. This thing has no longevity. The power levels are ill-defined, the physics make so sense (he was punched into the sun?). Once I finish the main plot maybe I'll make another comic where it's just a gag-a-day thing instead of having some weird story.
Keep shilling your garbage comic and buy more upvotes, unfunny hack
Logan Brown
Can't hate him for knowing what sells and making said thing.
Isaac Lewis
The fuck is the joke? "RPG characters wait to use their final move?" That's not a joke. That's an observation. This is the internet equivalent of "what's the deal with airport food."
James Lee
It doesn't even work as an observation. RPG's with finishing moves usually require some sort of charge up like tension in FF 8 and limit break in FF 7.
Parker Johnson
He took my advice and bought upvotes. Not 9k, but I have a feeling he grabbed 500 or so for like 50 bucks.
>This is the internet equivalent of "what's the deal with airport food." there's a reason that shit took off like wildfire. it's funny (the first time)
Isaac Turner
I didn't tell him a specific site, I just told him to use any that didn't look shady. Most of them are roughly the same price for upvotes. Then we talked about time slots and that crap.
Robert Price
why are you insistent on rehashing the same bullshit why not literally anything else
Carter Fisher
Do you use multiple sites to avoid getting caught?
Henry Phillips
Who's your fighter?
Michael Robinson
...You can buy upvotes?
Dylan Torres
>Why not literally anything else. Because no one enters anything else.
Try it yourself and see.
Tyler Lee
Me? Nah, only did it a few times to see if the algorithm worked the way I thought. You really only need a relatively small number (in comparison to the total you get) in order to break out of algorithm hell.
You can buy anything. I bought 10k followers on Twitter to fuck around with last year.
Luke Bell
Did you start using imageboards after 2016, perchance?
A sample page for something I thought up after discussing boomer memes with a friend: A fresh college graduate who lives on a steep-ass hill is told to get off his ass and get a job by his boomer dad; problem is, his town (located on another steep-ass hill adjacent to the one he lives on) is really shitty for jobs, so it's extremely difficult to get your foot in the door. What ensues is a series of dramatic mind games involving interview technique and over the top special moves, as he attempts to get a job. Each "Interview" is its own individual chapter, while these seemingly rotten-to-the-core employers will do anything they can to crush our young hero's soul. Spoiler: Eventually, he gets so good at interview technique that he actually "wins a fight", and gets hired as a Human Resources manager. From there, he has to deal with a whole new set of problems, and the mind games only compound from there; he has to deal with multiple people at once, and take everything from the shirt he picked that day to the temperature of the office at that moment in time. I wanted to do comedic style shifts like on the third panel where he becomes a Fist of the North Star hypermasculine chariacature to help sell the bizarre circumstances. I'd love to hear your guy's take on this.
>normie shit like GoT There was nothing wrong with GoT's cinematography. It's perfectly fine for storyboarding
Aaron Robinson
It's average. Plenty of shows and movies have much better cinematography. There's no reason to settle for GoT.
Isaac Davis
You the guy that posted that rocket launcher page, right? the one where they blow up a mansion.
Michael Bailey
Not I. You must be thinking of someone else.
Joshua Edwards
oh yeah, TONS of tv shows have better cinematography dude i hate that shit but even I'm not this delusional. it's basically a movie on tv.
Jayden Harris
>Plenty of shows have much better cinematography What? No they don't.
Thomas King
Name five shows with the same level of competence
Joshua Nelson
Don't look now, fellas, but I think we've been had!
Wyatt Adams
darn. Well in any case, your stuff looks good, you have a site?
Grayson Lewis
I think you guys are confusing budget with excellent cinematography.
The Leftovers Dark Chernobyl The Terror The Expanse etc.
Any number of Japanese and Korean shows like Thunderbolt Fantasy.
Hell, Happy does a better job - and it should be obvious why.
Kevin Jenkins
Not at the moment. We're going to finish up Issue #2 and then probe a couple different publishers, and should that not work out I'll bundle the first two issues into a Kickstarter. They weren't particularly expensive to make, so in theory, I'll be able to cover the cost of the budget.
Xavier Watson
stop being a hipster
Brandon Bennett
>Thunderbolt Fantasy imagine being this delusional to believe this
Connor Perry
Oh, a group project. Are you the artist?
Hudson Allen
Okay.
It's far better for coming up with panels than GoT is, my dude. But that's just my opinion.
I wish. I am just the writer, "editor", and guy who covers the production costs.
Ethan Baker
why are you posting the thumbnails and wip then?
Ayden Lopez
Oh so "just" the guy sticking his neck out on the story, nbd. I was just making sure I was gonna ask questions outside what you're dong.
With that said, how much of the page is in your head before handing off to the artist? is there a particular comics you've read that you're using as notes for the action?
Thomas Barnes
>I think you guys are confusing budget with excellent cinematography. they're the same thing, and I would hope someone with a comic that looks as good as yours, and who pays someone to draw it, would understand that.
Lincoln Perez
Why shouldn't I? I am proud of the work being transformed from script to art. I plan on showing the step by step process with annotations about how or why we changed certain things, and kept others. As it stands it is going to go from hardcopy script, to electronic, to thumbs, to WIP lines, polished lines, inks, colors, and then finally lettering. I think it'll be neat to give some insight for people who want to see something different from a sole creator project being made.
Connor Baker
What does this mean
Aaron Foster
Sounds actually fun. If you can pull that off.
Jacob Miller
>>I think you guys are confusing budget with excellent cinematography. >they're the same thing, This isn't remotely true but okay
James Walker
The entire thing is in my head, which I then put down to page. I'll do a comparison for you. You can see (hopefully I didn't make the text too small) how we changed up the last two panels. The shots have been swapped about almost, Panel 3 and Panel 4 specifically. Panel 1 meanwhile cuts off the guy TSUNAMI is fighting (RICHARD) because of space allocation and needing to make room for dialogue.
And as far as comics... Not really. That doesn't mean I don't read comics, I do. I just don't tend to be inspired from them for action scenes because much of it is just rather stiff punching. Sometimes you'll get a glimmer of good stuff, but it's hard to find. At least in my opinion. I find ideas in movies, or what I think would look cool as I imagine it. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't and someone has a better idea than what I came up with and we go that route. I'm not big on arguing, and if I can see something clearly better I am obviously going to want to use it for the sake of making the comic better.
Also, excuse the cringe inducing dialogue. This guy is basically Barracuda with superpowers.
Not that guy, but it's the job of the cinematographer to bring the director's vision to life and decide what to use to put stuff in the frame. A higher budget means they will have more tools to use that can make the frame look better. Therefore, a show or film that has a higher budget tends to get better cinematography as well. They're directly correlated and it's your job to know this.
Ayden Powell
>buy upvotes for any artist you want to get banned >make their activity as suspicious as possible >nothing they can do about it
Who should we use this on?
Noah Ross
So Im kind of just doing worldbuilding at the moment, putting parts together with the creation myth of this story, and how it all unfolds until the present time(which is where the story starts) I have more or less defined the current state of affairs in one of the continents, its people, creatures, main antagonists/ rulers,etc.. I am trying to merge three time periods, that encompass different regions of our world and edit them in a way that in the story, they can be seen on different locations/groups of people and yet they all share a common trait which marries all of them as part of a single culture. I know that sounds like a mess but hear me out here, how would you guys/gals merge aspects (mainly technology and aesthetics) from 1.The Renaissance 2.The Industrial Revolution 3.The Great War ( with the last one being the highest degree of technological advancement achieved by this "humans")? (Also there is magic involved , aircraft is getting its first prototypes, and early automatic gunfire has just been developed)
Samuel Myers
Thanks for explaining it properly. I was just reading about that 3D Homer simpsons episode, and how the director wanted to do this crane shot at the end of the 'real world' segment, but Fox only reluctantly let him have a crane, and only really briefly, and budget this and budget that, so he was really disappointed in how it turned out.
Grayson Gutierrez
Sounds like warhammer but even less modern
Samuel Jones
Yeah, it can have varying effects like cutting entire sequences, lighting, poor artwork, or not being able to shoot on location, afford equipment for underwater/snow/rain/space sequences, afford good actors. Even a monstrous budget show like GoT didn't let the grown-up dire wolves appear for more screentime because of the high cost. Another example, a 3D animated series with George Lucas money will have way better cinematography than that of Thunderbolt Fantasy.
Joseph Baker
Yeah I'm the first to say that budget doesnt equal quality, but when it comes to cinematography, there really isn't much you can do on a budget but have someone holding a camera and just move around a lot?
Kayden Gray
I'll tell you what I told a guy whose fantasy novel I'm editing/co-writing. Start with the story. What's "book one" of your setting? Start there. Once you have a floor, then you can start building up.
>How would you merge aspects of
Huge statues. The human form is celebrated. Think art deco statues without the streamlined features--the statues are classical, but the objects around them are streamlined and modernesque.
Jason Fisher
Cinematographer decides on the composition of the frame. You can still make it look good, by just holding the camera and moving around in a wheelchair. Obviously, different genres of films will need different budgets. A courtroom drama could take place all within one room, and a sitcom could take place entirely in a bar. An adventure or action show will look better with a bigger budget regardless. A cinematographer is not a cameraman
I think the only two things to really keep in mind when writing are:
1) dialogue (and narration if your comic has it) is the most visible part of your script. It'll only work if it feels natural. If someone goes "who even talks like that" when reading your comic you fucked up. Dialogue should: A) develop and provide insight into characters and their relationships; B) create mood, conflict etc.; C) propel the story/plot. I think doing all three at once over a short span (e.g. one sentence) is possible but that it increases the risk of overinformation. People tend to talk about one topic at a time; if they become emotionally unsettled they might be inclined to cease all communication; if they're in a favorable state in mind they may be more open and talkative. If possible try to spread information over the course of the entire comic: if you dump too much shit onto the reader at once they may be overwhelmed, if you give 'em too little you could bore them, either way they'll probably stop reading. So yes, dialogue can also be used to provide information about the world. Be very careful with exposition as people living in a certain world may give some knowledge about it for granted. For example, if you watched a WW2 movie it would be really grating seeing the characters giving exposition about what the nazis and Hitler are, wouldn't it? To give exposition in an immersive manner you could have a character be ignorant for several reasons: maybe he comes from another country as an immigrant, or maybe he's just a tourist
2) consistency. Always respect the rules of your world, preserve the reader's suspension of disbelief so that their immersion isn't broken yadda yadda you know the drill
>good writers consume a lot of media. you need to go out and just read/watch a ton of very different things I disagree with this notion. Chances are that if you do consume a lot of media your work will be very derivative
>If someone goes "who even talks like that" when reading your comic you fucked up. Of course, this depends on your comic's genre. If it's parodistic or something you can disregard what I said
