Do you think Anime has a chance of killing cartoons or has it already been doing it?

>all anime is the same

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>do you think cartoons produced in japan are going to kill cartoons produced from literally everywhere else on the planet
no

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Cartoon 's target audience is kid / young teens while anime's target audience is teens / young adults

There are so much more diversities in anime themes. You can watch the light hearted slice of life craps, you can watch the retarded brainless fighting craps, you can watch the pretentious 2deep4u brainy mystery murder detective craps, hell there are even anime caters specifically to gamplbe addicts, neet, drug abusers

It feels like nowadays no matter where you look, all you get in (western) cartoon is retarded kiddie comedy shit mixed with SJW sometimes

>anime's target audience is teens / young adults
Good one

Why did animation-focused TV networks suddenly stop giving a shit about older teens?
CN is practically a pre-schooler channel at this point

It already did and we've been trying to resuscitate a corpse for near on two decades now

Dont even fucking go their

Because teens turned to anime

Dumb water goddess. I want to pin her legs behind her head.

Anime itself is already doing pretty poorly in Japan since no one is consuming the media like they used to
No one over there really wants to animate in Japan and the working conditions pushed them elsewhere
Not to mention the amount of shit they pump out every season and the fact you only hear of one or 2 good ones while everything else that would be good is just adapting a source material like manga's or light novels

So no, western cartoons are fine

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>So no, western cartoons are fine
No, they arent

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It's even already done. American ones can't recover no matter what but Frenches are still motivated to make good western anime/cartoons. So it's not like its totally dead. Americans tend to only consume domestic stuff but let's support them.

Yes America bad rest of the world good let's put on more Boruto and Yo Kai Watch and America can suffer with puny Looney Tunes Cartoons and shit

I really hate the way you phrased that. You're talking as though anime is at fault; a medium has no agency and thus it cannot be held accountable. Audiences on the other hand are people and they can actually be held accountable. And even then, the word "kill" implies malice, and viewers changing their proprieties isn't evil.

Things will always mix and split. Anime was inspired by western cartoons, and now cartoons are inspired by anime.

priorities*

pretty much

The rest of the world is as bad as America. Besides Japan, only Frenches have managed to make it and learned something new from anime and tried to conflate it with western stuff. To keep a culture going, you always need to do something new while preserving their own traditional techniques. I'm just being realistic here. Wishful thinking doesn't make any pragmatic solution. Just move on.

Anime can't kill the Cartoon industry because the Cartoon Industry has already committed suicide.

What is anyone even really waiting for?
>Infinity Train
>Twelve Forever
>Owl House
I watched all of Star vs. and I regret doing that because it was just trash trying to emulate other "popular" trash by other untalented cunts.
I don't imagine a single god damn one of those three shows will be any different than Star vs.
For fuck's sake, All of them even have the same basic plot
>Boyish girl goes on other-worldly adventures
I find it hilarious we still live in an age where studios want to pretend little girls give a flying fuck about cartoons.
Has society and or more accurately networks dictated that cartoons are just a "girl thing" now?

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Anime has kept no tradition, you're correct. You need to move on from anime, if you're looking for comedy or surrealism western animation is for you. If you're looking for drama western live action is for you. Anime provides nothing but garbage

Depends on how you define "cartoon" and how you define "killing." In a way, American 2D cartoons have already killed themselves in that there is no self-sufficient industry.

>WAAA WAAA TTGO

It's fine, you just don't popular thing

When spongebob ends and gets replaced by the crappy CGI spin off, Cartoons will be over unless something changes

Kids don't watch cartoons anymore so they started to try and appeal to weebish Teenies with stuff like SU, but political thinking and the fact it still had to be marketed as kids cartoons robbed them off creative freedom. The only way cartoons will survive is A) by trying to be edgy again like the 90s and early 2000s and try to openly appeal more to older audiences or generally make the writing enjoyable for the older or B) focus more on trying to do more quality adult cartoons which are doing fine already but could use improvement and variety

Aqua is into hyper dicks

>What is anyone even really waiting for?
Looney Tunes Cartoons and Primal, which is more then I can say for anime

Then accept the death.

>Anime is doing bad, so that means cartoons are doing good!
huuuuuurh

I've accepted the death of anime

Gen alpha is gonna grow up with Youtube not cartoons. They need to start aiming animation at older zoomers and milleninals next decade.. Yhe kid audience just isn't there.

Fortunately Mick Lasagna is curbing that shit before it goes too far.

>Cartoon is better at movie

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You could achieve that if you live in the US. It will make every other country happy cause Americans obsessed with identity politics censorship and virtue signalling are fucking useless, and everyone already hates them. Hope you ban anime from your shithole. Cartoons will revive after that. Good luck.

>Do you think Anime has a chance of killing cartoons or has it already been doing it?
No, it is probably the opposite. Anime has become so prevalent that the idea of a cartoon aimed primarily at teenagers or adults just isn't unusual anymore. So now, we see more cartoons designed to sell themselves to older audiences (rather than just being kid distractions or toy commercials) and it is much more normal to see good cartoon movies being put out and actually getting attention.

The people who would watch anime to the exclusion of western cartoons are the japanphiles who weren't going to get into western cartoons anyways, so anime isn't really taking an audience away from cartoons at any poit.

This.
I stopped watching western animation because there's literally nothing for me anymore. Anime simply has more variety for more demographics.

The straw that broke the camel's back was Thundercats Roar and all the bullshit surrounding it. They clearly don't respect me as a consumer or fan, so if it's "not made for me" then I'll just take my business towards series that are and they won't see a penny of it.

I'm not a weeb by choice, I'm a fan of animation in general and everything it's capable, and it deeply saddens most of western animation is just an excuse to pander to nostalgia at best, and entertain toddlers at worst

There are exceptions here and there, like Amphibia, the upcoming Primal, and hopefully the Goon movie, but right now, most of my interest goes to anime and what it does

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Cartoons mostly suck and are unwatchable past the age of 12, I primarily come here to talk about comic books.

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The same thing applies to them though

Anime has so utterly overeclipsed cartoons that to compare the two is to compare a fly with an elephant. As others said it western animation has destroyed itself by kowtowing to talentless SJW's and current year politics, while anime was always about telling a story, having actual characters and just plain old enjoyment. The gap is immense and can't be crossed or ignored. Western animation is dead.

Honestly, I don't think so. Maybe i am biased though since I prefer western animation over Japanese animation generally.

Mmmh Sweetie, the creators of Cartoons have more money than the directors or writters of manga

Writing for older audiences requires effort, writers for kids doesn’t despite them needing good content more than anyone.

Nobody watches your amerimutt Tumblr garbage

And you evidence for that is?

Traditional shit is only good if the environment allows it. If America has lost the environment that produces it’s traditional styles of animation then there is no getting it back beyond an occasional tribute every so often.

The point is you gotta preserve your culture or their is no point to tradition.

Cartoons were killed ever since Shrek became a hit.

>Capeshit fag
Opinion discarded

TTG is awful and the fact you think its fine just shows youre an idiot

What's a todays "good" American cartoon show anyway. Even nerds don't watch shit like SU. It's really weird shit for Americans. Also yaoi trash pandering to fujoshits can't count.

>doesn't work in the US anymore because of commercial laws.

I wonder if we could petition to change this? It was only hand wringers of the 80's that caused this.

Anime has kinda been stagnating in Japan for a bit due to adaptations being the main thing over original work (Why watch the anime if the manga is usually better in terms of art and not having scenes rushed or cut entirely? For VAs?) and the general population decline thanks to a meh economy and working too much to support a family.

That being said, the environment for animation in the states is fucking horrible. The majority of people STILL think that animation is a genre and not a medium and now we've reached the point where Disney, the pioneers of animation, have gone full megacorp and have seemingly thrown aside even stylized 3D animation for hyper-realistic CGI remakes of old classics. And TV animation might as well not exist outside of stoner comedies that are good for one season beofre shitting the bed.

TL;DR: Anime is slowly getting popular in the states again due to the same old shit as before.

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As long as I exist, anime will never overtake cartoons

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Anime is cartoons, brah...

>this is what weebs actually believe
Continue rotting in your mother's basement

Anime already made the jump to streaming services. Western cartoons are scrambling to play catch up as TV dies, which is resulting in declining quality from Netflix as they try to rush seasons out to keep properties relevant and buzzworthy after getting everyone hooked on binge-and-forget viewing habits and everyone else doing weird release schedules where chunks of episodes go unnoticed because no one knows when the hell they'll be released.

He's not wrong fucko.

Where have you been OP? Anime basically killed western cartoons for teenagers and adults (save for "adult" comedy cartoon sitcoms) since 2000

This we'll probably never going to get Flechiser-tier rotoscoping animation again even though we have enough technology to mimic it on a relatively cheaper scale (mocap and cel shading) nor any decent plots because current writers think they're SJW televangelists

Between the Spider-Verse and this youtube.com/watch?v=Uw7jrQQK3Mc I think both are going to be juuuust fiiine B^)

Some anime has found a weird market in people sick of virtue signaling and related SJW themes due to a lot of things that are being greenlit being funded by conservative Japanese PACs trying to encourage their disenchanted youth to get horny and angry. This gives those series a very loyal but small fanbased but wider unacceptability in Western markets due to controversy.

Reminder that anime is just a fancy japanese way of saying cartoons.

Japan has been producing over 50% of the world's animation every year for decades. Cartoons is the Western way of saying anime.

Not really? I like some anime but overall I like Western cartoons more. Western cartoons have more diversity in style and a better "vibe" to me overall.

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>Japan has been producing over 50% of the world's animation every year for decades
And 49% of it is trash, not an accomplishment

49% of the world's animation is trash or 49% of Japanese animation is trash?

We're not speaking Latin because people quit using it. The artistic influence hasn't been trending in a West-to-East direction for a long time.

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No, it's harder to give anime to children as they have to make all kinds of edits and get the rights for it. Needless to say, cartoons for bigger kids will get killed by both anime and the fact kids just watch shows for intended older audiences like South Park and Family Guy regardless that they shouldn't be doing so.

bump

The jew fears the samurai

Nope. Jews have no power in Yamato.

who made cartoons beside America and France?

Nope, the current heir of the company don't like how you are running things and shitting on her grandfather's legacy. You betrayed Walt.

Pretty sure that happened by like 2016.

These days it is way more common to see modern western cartoon emulate anime than just simply parody it or be a one-off style thing like Last Airbender. Because they know what the superior cartoons are

>mother's basement
>know nothing outside of murica
nice try dumb fatty

Spider-Verse is shit compare to this new Lupin III

Put it this way. What western cartoons are people even talking about anymore? The last most recent thing I can think of that got seriously talked about was Star vs and that ended (horribly). Meanwhile, you'll find people raving about the new anime like Dr. Stone, Vinland Saga, Attack on Titan last season was getting as hype as Chernobyl. And the best part is that you get like 40 new anime every season. Yeah like 90% of it is crap but that means that there's literally something for anyone of all tastes. There's just nothing American animation offers anymore.

For the all the shit anime got about it looking the same, western cartoons nowadays just keep maintaining the same aesthetic all over the place

>Anime has kinda been stagnating in Japan for a bit due to adaptations being the main thing over original work
That's been anime since anime started. The first anime was an adaptation of Astro boy

from my twitter feed, it's Amphibia and Steven Universe

SU is on it's way out, we can ignore that one. It's peak passed. Amphibia is just flash in the pan unless it has an amazing first season finale like GF and Star vs. did. And even if we did. That's 1 cartoon. Meanwhile there's like 5 or 6 super hyped up anime this season

American have shit taste

Cartoon is already dead when it allowed unemployed english major sjw inside the dreative department of ani!ation studios.

I don't know how that is relevant at all since he is asking what cartoons are people seriously talking about.

because they only talk about the shitty cartoons on twitter so studios think thats what we want

I have seen cartoon discussion of shows like Amphibia all around the internet which means there is a demand for them. Just because you or other people don't like it doesn't mean everyone doesn't like it.

>because they only talk about the shitty cartoons on twitter
There are other kinds of cartoons?

>I have seen cartoon discussion of shows like Amphibia
What other shows are like Amphibia

the most vocals are always those who have bad taste

Wait, I'm dumb.
Is a billion a hundred-million or a thousand-million?

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Thousand in english, one million of millions in spanish.

Cartoons are dying, but anime has fuck-all to do with it.

actually I think part of what's been improving cartoons has been anime.

People are seeing anime and going "I can do that but better" and they are trying.

Results are mixed but hopefully a competitive spirit drives both to the better. Mao Mao is a promising example.

This is just two oceans of different types of hell that'll die off in stagnation
>Cartoons will die due to the fact nobody knows what they're doing and no proper way of monetization and literally nobody wants to accept the fact that Cartoons can be enjoyed by everyone (Not just kids and Young Adults)
>Anime will die because Japanese people will die off in 2 generations and the process of making anime hasn't changed since the 70s and the budget has stayed the same since the 70s.
Once people stop jacking off to their waifus and actually look at the state of things then things maybe will change

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All comic books aren't capeshit dumbass. Better than your retarded cartoons anyway.

I disagree. Anime has a fast expansion in global markets. Gachashit alone can replace the merchandising market inside Japan with digital goods on the global market. It's just a matter of time before the japanese can find a new way to monetize it's shows.

Gachashit money almost never goes towards "QUALITY" anime. It usually just lines the pockets of stockholders and keeps the lights on. I mean yeah GBF and FGO are examples of sheer amount of quality in video games and anime (I never watched the FGO media) but once the industry finally learns that anime needs actual money pumped into it and not into making another titty statue or 40 dollar Blu-Ray with 3 episodes in it then it will be properly monetized

That's why I said it was a matter of time. the amount of anime produced this season (late-night anime not kodomo) is 36, that's less than the more than 40 of past years. The industry is self-regulating itself right now and I think the worst already happened.

I just want Blu Ray discs to have more than 3 episodes and needed an outlet. Yea Forums tells me to CONSUME PRODUCT DON'T QUESTION THE METHODS OF THE MIGHTY EAST. But thanks for understanding

Fuck off back to R3ddit you stupid niggerfaggot poltard. Have sex incel poltard.

Better than watching baby shit like Steven Universe or Loud House.

Western cartoon scene is much harder to break into than anime in Japan. In Japan, it's more of a sprawling mercenary industry with tons of small-time players working to support the big names, and the industry is ravenously hungry for new talent. Japan wants more animators, more background artists, more digital artists, more CG artists, more writers, more musicians, more composers, more foley artists, more voice actors, basically more of everything, and its willing to recruit from the ranks of self-published amateurs to find new blood. The only roles in Japan that are hard to get into are directing and editing, which are still limited to senior industry people and influential types.

Meanwhile in America, the attitude is almost completely opposite. Nobody is headhunting for fresh perspectives, it's totally insular with mostly the same clique of taste-makers bottlenecking entry to the industry. If you didn't go to the right school or cozy up to the right person, you'll find it hard to get even entry level work.

Then you have the completely opposite market perspectives. In Japan, anime studios are contractors so they take on as many projects as possible to bring in revenue, and these productions are fairly cheap and can be done quickly, so the people funding them aren't looking for huge profit margins. As a result, there's isn't this obsession you see in America for going for the lowest common denominator every time, trying to get the "everybody" audience. Instead, Japan is fine targeting several small niches with lots of cheap productions and reaping a large haul from slim margins off the lot. In America it's basically all or nothing. Either you get the everybody audience or you crash and burn and die, because there's basically no market for niche animation.

I want to get into Lupin. Is this a good movie to start? I really like the aesthetic.

begin with Cagliostro

Theoretically speaking, how would a western animation company that attempts to emulate the way Japanese studios run their business do in America?

I've pretty much stopped watching both in general.
There are one or two cartoons I enjoy and a little bit of anime I enjoy, but for the most part I'm kinda fed up with...well everything, really.

Not that user but I’d imagine the biggest leap would be gathering together enough animator talent given how limited the scene is. You’d basically be scrounging for every jane dick and xrry on tumblr.

OP here. I agree, Last thing i enjoyed was the first half of little witch academia and even then it was only ok. When spider verse was being praised as the pinnacle of animation it really made me think how bad the current state is.

they should look at France, they are doing it since the 80s

>Results are mixed
More like results are failures

>I just want Blu Ray discs to have more than 3 episodes
Yeah, that's just never going to happen. Literally a "not broke don't fix it" at least for Japan

it's not puny
it's lost media at this point

You just watch cute girl shows. Variety my ass.

Attack on Titan is still going on?

Cute girls can do a lot of things.

'Cute girls punching cute things' unironically has better action scenes than western cartoon has had on TV in... possibly ever.

There's a lot you can do with cute girls.

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>Using my reaction image as a strawman to say "nuh uh, you just like moe shit"
But I'll play your game user, just including series that have "cute girls" in it this year alone, I've seen

>A series about love struck teenagers trying to get the the other confess using ludicrous mind games
>Children trapped on a demon farm trying to escape while staying alive
>Gambling girls who are also insane sadists
>A squadron of WW1-like fighter pilot mercs who are trying to make a name for themselves in a wartorn land
>A post-apocalypse where human-like plants battle giants
>A fantasy parody where the main heroine and her friends are still in school where the big bad demon lord is her teacher
>Two social outcast girls on Mars who bond over music
>a socially awkward middle schooler tries to make friends
>A group of friends from a baseball club but are at first are hilariously inept at it
>A remake of a beloved manga series about a girl who lives with a group of guys who transform into the animals of the zodiac if touched
>magical girl mechas
>A teenage book club discussing the awkwardness of sexual life

And keep in mind all of this was just from January to now AND that's just using your inane "you only like shows with cute girl protagonists" rule, which without it I could've doubled easily

Eat shit user.

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>Children trapped on a demon farm trying to escape while staying alive
What's that? I've been out the anime game far too long.

The Promised Neverland
You really are out of the game if you need requests go to /wsr/, us Yea Forums folk respond better over there

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I really hope not. Anime panders mostly to the teen demographic. It would be nice if there were more anime with more mature not in edgy way themes and stories.

Thanks nigga.
Don't worry, I'm not far enough out to forget what Yea Forums is like.

I'm willing to bet the deepest you know about anime is AoT

>more mature not in edgy way themes and stories.
That's incredibly rare to come by user, in the west you either get "ree cartoons are for kids" or "dude weed lmao sex drugs violence" ""mature"" cartoons.

I'll take the teen demographic over those two options, and even then the kids cartoons can be valuable on their own right.

fuck family guy

I heard it got good again after that trash GX season

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