Princess and the Frog

Due to his nature he had probably gambled away and asked lots of favors from his Friends on the Other Side. He wanted money because he couldn't use the vodoo powers on himself.

Afterwards he incurred debt and needed more favors, so he offered the entire town to his "friends" in exchange for their help.

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The problem is that they were too afraid to make Tiana interesting.
Also, the aforementioned choice to use New Orleans as a setting and then set the thing in a fucking swamp. The frogs were cute but the designs werent great enough to connect with.

>what went wrong
Tiana and Charlotte wasn't the endgame pairing

>Not Love Is an Open Door with the sultry tones of Santino Fontana, the sociopathic Disney prince

I know I'm outnumbered but I dont give a fuck.

Mother knows best is good tho.

>Shiny
Fucking hate narrative songs
Even Friends on the Other Side wasn't really that catchy because they were just talking half the time

Just replace they word 'Shiny' with 'Fabulous' and the song would have been ten times better.

Shiny was good.

>Snow White
These dwarf guys are cute, I'm just going to hang out with them until an evil witch tries to kill me and some random prince comes along to kiss me out of my coma. Guess I'll marry him.
>Cinderella
I want to go to prom
>Aurora
I want to marry the man I love, not the one I'm arranged to marry (oops the man I love is the one I was arranged to anyway)
>Ariel
I want to bang the prince
>Belle
I want to save my father's life and turn the beast into a good person
>Jasmine
I want to marry the man I love, not my father's creepy advisor
>Mulan
I want to make sure my father doesn't die on day 1 of the war against the Huns because he uses a fucking cane to walk and apparently the Chinese army isn't giving him an administrative/non-combatant role
>Tiana
I want to open up a restaurant
>Rapunzel
I'VE GOT A DREAM
(SHE'S GOT A DREAM)
I JUST WANT TO SEE THE FLOATING LANTERNS GLEAM
>Anna
I want to bang the first guy I meet and save my sister
>Elsa
I want to prevent myself from hurting everyone around me
>Moana
I want to sail boats and return the heart of Te Fiti

Who had the best goal?

>Ariel
I want to bang the prince
REEEE
She wanted to explore the human world; potentially fucking Eric was just a bonus, and then made the key to staying up there.
>Belle
I want to save my father's life and turn the beast into a good person
Belle never wanted to fix the Beast. She didn’t warm up to him until he started to take the time to fix his rude behavior.

Anyway, Moana has the fate of her entire people on her shoulders and knew it very early on, so probably her.
Also, >no Merida

Either Mulan's love for her father or Rapunzel's childish wish pursued with all the determination of a holy pilgrimage

Tiana's appeal is that she's a virtuous but downtrodden member of society who wants to succeed on her own merits and be recognized. This describes a couple of other Disney princesses, what makes Tiana distinct from them is that her vision of success and recognition is extremely clearly defined. She wants to own a restaurant and she wants the satisfaction, respect and financial security that comes with having a particularly excellent one.

The problem is that the film does nothing with that. Rather than making the film about Tiana's pursuit of success it turns into a film about getting a loan, and the quest to get a loan becomes mostly a second rate talking animal movie. This make all of Tiana's virtues (thrift, hardwork, skill at cooking etc) basically irrelevant for most of the film.

After the first act the film generally does a whole lot of shooting itself in the foot by sidelining almost all its interesting elements. Dr Facilier becomes mostly irrelevant, New Orleans is traded out for the bayou which is presented as mostly indistinguishable from any other swamp. The existing side characters are sidelined for a much less interesting collection of talking animals. Almost There and Friends on the Other Side are easily the best songs in the film and have the most interesting visuals, so that's another area that goes downhill.

IMO it could be reworked by keeping the whole thing in New Orleans. Maybe Charlotte beg her father to allow Tiana to organize his ball. Him being a sucker for anything his daughter wants he gives in, and promises Tiana that if she can pull it off he'll gift her the old sugar mill it's being hosted in for her to start a restaurant in. The rest of the film would follow Tiana trying to juggle voodoo bullshit and more normal obstacles to organizing a massive party. Maybe kissing Naveen doesn't turn her into a frog permanently, but instead causes her to switch back and forth every couple of hours at inconvenient moments.

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That would’ve been nice. Good job user.
Also Mama Odie could be attending the party in secret and helps Tiana out by teaching her that love is important too.

>Have your first black disney princess
>She spends 90% of the film as a Frog

It's still funny.
Blacks still ate this shit up.

>Jasmine
I want to marry the man I love, not my father's creepy advisor
At least one good change in the remake is that Jasmine wants and studies to be a good leader, and ends with becoming Sultan. Usually its a rebellious princess that wans to run away from her responsibilities and marry the first handsome man she sees. Kida comes sort of close, but she's usurped by a foreign, 90 pound asthmatic who knows more about Atlantis than she does.

Moana wins because she's both explicitly named future chief, and completes her goal of saving her people. She still fills that rebellious princess cliché though, she kept getting distracted from her duties to have fun. A problem Merida suffered, but wasnt obnoxious about it.

Maybe just ditch her becoming a frog all together.
Just have Naveen try the kiss, and it doesn't work so then their goals become intertwined since he needs her help to find a real princess, and she needs his help to keep the ball running/stop hoodoo from attacking the party goers.

I did like NuJasmine's leadership angle, but I wished she'd faced some adversity before her big weird song about adversity.

OlJasmine was oppressed by Jafar being a slimy sexist manipulator and seemingly executing a boy she'd liked

NuJasmine had Jafar sneer at her condescendingly

Big Trouble in Little China, New Orleans edition.

Dig a Little Deeper is an amazing song.

You're almost right. The fundamental issue with the film is that Tiana is not the protagonist, she's the focal character. Her goals and motivations are irrelevant in the context of the film, and her conflict with the villain is incidental.

Haver her be in love with white guy.

No, we have to have her date an ambiguously brown man. Because a poor black girl marrying european(?) royalty is fine, but a white man is unbelievable.

TianaxCharlotte endgame.

I love that

Based.

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How is it unbelievable? Also this is disney movie.
I said white MAN. We are already have enough lesbians, what we need more is WMBW couples.

Missing some pretty heavy sarcasm their friendo.

I wonder if it would have sold well if there werent blacks in it

Story structure would still be a problem regardless.
Also whats the point of advocating a black princess when she and her poc prince are frogs 80% of the movie.

I would watch that movie.

Arielle, clearly. Say what you will, no one WANTED as fucking hard as her. Look at them eyes and her body language, you have to respect such pure, pure want.
youtube.com/watch?v=5Keal_UfT6o

Problem was that they
1. specifically wanted to make ANOTHER Disney princess movie
2. the plot is not based on widely known fairy tale
3. the "princess" is not an actual princess
4. the princess is a nigger

iirc Disney was apprehensive about having the movie have the word “princess” in the title, since they thought that would automatically signal to audiences that this was a prissy girly type movie instead of a regular Disney film, but they went with it anyway

It was an okay film. If it was 3D, It would be a smash success. Just proved how out of favour 2D was in the major markets.

>what went wrong
The swamp-punk setting was off. They tried a "what if the princess and the frog played in new orleans" which was odd. Maybe they had a Romea and Julia (the dicaprio one) and brother where arthou in mind but in production couldnt pull that off.
>fix it
Make it more original, like the irish or hawaian princess. Or make it full classic fable.

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tiana should have been the one to make the deal with facilier. to 'take the easy way out' and be punished for it. it would have made her a lot more interesting. she suffered from being a role model, a quota fill, more than a character

lottie got to be more fun. her voice actor won an award, i hope she's doing more va stuff.

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Well she was a very pale frog, so...

>make the first black Disney princess
>turn her into a frog for 90% of the movie

They made some odd choices. The movie sort of halts once Tiana turns into frog and they enter the swamp. The hillbillies and hillbilly bug don't do anything for me. Facilier was good villain, but is sidelined for half of the movie and doesn't even really know or care about Tiana, so their confrontation by the end isn't all that strong.

All the songs are pretty good. I think I remember them all 'Almost there', 'When I'm human', 'Dig a little deeper', 'Friends on the other side', but people mainly seem to remember and like the villain song.

Shouldn't have been frogs 80% of the movie. Should have spent more time in New Orleans, not swamp. Facilier should have had bigger role and met Tiana earlier.

The prince and princess were both cute and it’s a shame they stay as frogs for the majority of the movie. Maybe make it more like the Swan Princess and have them turn back and forth from being frogs a few times just to give their human versions more screentime.

On the same note, 1920s New Orleans is a great setting, and it was disappointing they tease us with it and then fuck off to be in a swamp for most of the time.

You have to change the nose or she still looks like a negress.

Blacks were mad that it took Disney that long to make a black princess.

Something like that, yeah. I've only seen the movie twice and that was in cinema, so my memories are not very fresh, but I can pinpoint the giant black holes pretty well. I remember almost everything until When I'm Human, then there's blank, then Dig a Little Deeper happened, then blank again, something something they are in New Orleans and Facilier gets dragged through a gate, ending scene. I honestly don't remember what else happened in that swamp.

True

>not based on widely known fairy tale
>The Frog Prince
>not widely known

What rock did you grow up under?

Some people said it was too creepy for children. Just like it was too sad for kids when that big white fat robot "died".

Tiana's boring.

Literally every single core character around her is more interesting. Any time I rewatch it, I'd rather just watch a movie about Charlotte who is just a more fun character overall.
They made a big push about her being the first black princess and they made her a frog for the majority of the film, which pretty much lade the point they were pushing meaningless.
The songs were pretty good, but they weren't great - typical Randy Newman stuff that wasn't really all that exceptional.
Whenever I compare it to the Renaissance films, it doesn't hold a candle to most of them. It's a good film, but not a great one.
Winnie the Pooh 2011 was a better film but Disney sent that out to die when PatF didn't meet expectations in the same way they killed Treasure Planet: Death by Harry Potter.

After reading your post, i agree. It feels more like a mix of Oliver & Company, Bernhard & Bianca and Cinderelly but with less what made these movies great.

Not everyone is afforded a goal. Cinderella had to serve her stepmother or starve. It was about her character, not her goals. Gentle, kind, humble, sweet, elegant, yet, Beautiful.

Ariel was fascinated by the human world already and incidently fell in love with a human. Her goal was to become human.

Jasmine didn't need a goal. She's already pretty powerful and rich. She was just living her life. She did try to obtain more freedom for herself by venturing out of the castle walls. Falling in love was incidental, not a goal.

>Winnie the Pooh 2011
Great animation, but not really a great movie. I heard Yea Forums talk big about it and decided to watch some time ago, but I was weirded out by how off the characters act in it. They're more mean spirited/sarcastic than anything I remember from the Disney classic or even the books, and they took it way too far with Pooh having a honey addiction.

2D is why it was so beautiful. Honestly, I hated the change to 3d but I guess I am the only one.

>dae 3d
oh no, back you get, we're not having one of those threads again

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Fan art or unused designs? Those are really good.

I did change the nose. it's smaller and less negroid.

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Have an ending that isn't directly copied from Anastasia.

Do you have the edit where she looks like a slightly goth vampire?

Smaller size =/= less “negro”. Her nose shape is still wide.
She just looks albino here

To be honest for Snow White it’s “holy shit my step mother almost had me killed! I need to leave right the fuck now!”
And then it becomes “I found a new home where I can be happy and helpful, away from crazy bitch. I just wanna live, perhaps find love, but this ain’t bad.”

Besides, what other goal do you have when you’re basically pretending to not exist? She is literally being targeted for being the fairest in the land. If she tried to set up shop in civilization, two outcomes will occur:

>Citizen 1: “Hey, isn’t that the princess?”
>Citizen 2: “Holy shit, we’d better tell the queen she isn’t dead!”
>cue the guards dragging her back to the castle to murder her.

Or

> “Mirror Mirror on the Wall, Whose the Fairest on of All”
> “Though you tried and failed to take her, she now assists the baker.”
>cue the guards dragging her back to the castle to murder her.

She can only lay low away from people. And even when living in the middle of a goddamn forest she’s still found out, it only bought her a few days.

ITT: Disney execs overthinking things and looking for an excuse to kill 2D animation

The answer is simple, it was released too close to fucking Avatar, aka, the current highest grossing movie of all time. TPATF did pretty damn well considering the competition and everyone, especially Disney themselves exaggerates how poorly it did

you fix it then. I don't care enough to go back and change anything.

I might be the only one here who doesn’t see the problem with the plot.

Tiana’s goal is very well defined, but the thing is, she goes through a personal journey and realizes that she wouldn’t be, or rather learns she can’t, be happy without Naveen. And in a way, she gives up on her dream for the one she loves, a giant meaningful sacrifice for someone who is so goal orientated as Tiana. In fact, she gives up on everything to save him: her family, her human life, literally everything. And in a world where there’s actual danger to the animal she’s forced to be. I’d even say her sacrifice is more meaningful than Frozen’s “an act of true love,” scene by miles.

Basically a prototype version of Eugene’s “you’re my new dream” statement of Tangled, or Wreck-it Ralph learning he doesn’t need to be accepted as a hero to be a hero, or to be loved. But then again, I’m a sucker for “sometimes we must give up the things we most cherish, even our dreams” sort of moments.

Also, I was watching this in Northern Louisiana, and the whole, packed to the gills theater, fucking died at the “We’re not from around here,” section of the movie.

It was mostly marketed as the return of 2D. This pleased the Internet nerds of the time, but not the general audience. Also it was a time where princesses were no longer the fashion. Pixar and Universal cartoons movies had changed the landscape

I thought it was a pretty good film. It's timing in history was just poor because of CG movies stealing everyone else's lunch money and bullying out traditional animation.

It's still happening today.

I suppose some of the songs could use a touch-up but I'm not a big musical person so they felt "fine" for me. It's hard to top the magic music of Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast, and Lion King.

I didn't say it was ugly. I just said 2D fell out of favour to 3D. The market spoke to what it wanted.

Little boys weren’t going to see a movie that had the word ‘princess’ in the title, so that excluded 50% of potential customers.

Thank you based Olaf for attracting boys to see Frozen to make that the biggest movie ever.

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unused. though a lot of fanart circulates as concept art for this movie.

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>first black princess
>is in another body for majority of film
What did Disney mean by this? Do they think black people are unappealing to look at?

you have to admit, they shot themselves in the foot with the choice of story.

Ew.

I don't really think it means something, but uh, we've so far had 3 "brown" Disney protagonists who spend the majority of their movie as an animal. Kusco, Kenai and Tiana.

Put her halfway between skin tones, keep the freckles, give her more a brick red hair color, and keep the original nose and you've got a pretty decent Creole Tiana.

kuzco movie was going to be alot different before they retooled it to be fair.

I mean, she was a frog for the most part. The story was good and I loved the characters but eh... I actually forgot what Tiana (let alone the Prince's) human form looked like.

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