Why was he so based?

Why was he so based?

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His son died and made him rethink life.

It's interesting that he became good, even though he is the grandson of Sozin, the very Fire Lord that started the war.
Zuko was the great grandson of Sozin on his father's side. But he was also the great grandson of Avatar Roku, which explains the duality of good and evil within him.

Iroh is arguably better because he chose to overcome his evil nature (as Paarthunax would've said).

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He didn't give a fuck about the war, he didn't give a fuck about his brother's master plan, he didn't give a fuck about getting the Avatar. He only cared about Zuko. And tea. And that bounty hunter lady. And a nice hot springs bath.

You what mate? Iroh was never really evil. I mean he was on the Fire Nation pill for sure when he was campaigning through the Earth Kingdom, but he was just doing his job and there was nothing really evil about him.

He travelled the world and journeyed into the spirit realm after, presumably, a lot of Taoist thought and meditation. On it's own, travelling the world tends to broaden your horizons. But, journeying into the spirit realm? Practising enough Tao to make that possible? That's a level of worldliness that requires self-actualisation and inner peace.

Why is he so buzzword?

>there's nothing evil about nearly burning an entire capital city to the ground

You just went full retard. I know it's hard to believe but Iroh made a complete 180 after his son's death.

Iroh didn't realize the true evil of war until he lost his only beloved son. It was only at this great loss that he saw how pointless and detrimental war is. It's also why he became Zuko's father figure, because Zuko filled the void left by his son.

He unironically killed millions, prolonged the war another decade, and then made bullshit up about the Avatar being the one to end the war and reform the Fire Nation.

He was kind of an ass hole.

if ozai rethink his life would you still forgive him? would the avatar forgive him?

iroh is just as bad as ozai before his son died

Your view of the world is not wrong. But it's just... boring.
You imply that people can't redeem themselves and improve.
Iroh was the next in line to become Fire Lord. Imagine the level of propaganda that he faced. He was instilled with the love for his own nation and the hatred of others from the beginning.

The fact that he was able to see the wrong in his ways and give up a life of luxury/royalty for a life of perceived treachery and exile is admirable.

why didn't aang just marry azula to end the war?

Couldn't have said it better myself.

This. Kindly uncle Iroh napalmed little kids and signed off on orchestrated terror campaigns in occupied lands but we're supposed to forgive him because of his big revelation of-
>oh no my son is dead
>maybe, like, our decades long war of aggression and imperialism is like...bad?? Maybe, like, war is bad????!!

The funny part to this is that is son died on his campaign and the Earthbenders who killed him did so that the Fire Benders couldn't break through and broke the laws of wars that they had.

>if ozai rethink his life would you still forgive him?
Maybe not forgive, but maybe offer a chance to undo some of the wrong he's done.
It'd take a whole lot of rethinking and demonstration that he genuinely regrets his actions though.
>would the avatar forgive him?
Aang might, seeing his upbringing.

>iroh is just as bad as ozai before his son died
I don't think he was.
From what we get of his old self ()sparing the dragon, AZula considering him "weak") I'd say he certainly wasn't a saint, but a long shot off Ozai.

Iroh probably killed more people than Azula ever did

You're so focused on the amount of people Iroh killed when you're not paying attention to his character.

Iroh's past actions were evil. But if present Iroh regrets all of the choices he has made and does everything he can to amend them (Saving the moon spirit, helping the Avatar, freeing Ba Sing Se, etc.) then is he still an evil person? I think not.

A good act does not wash out the bad, nor a bad act the good. Each should have its own reward

Iroh overcame his cruel, militaristic nature, though I kind of agree with the people saying that his evil actions greatly outweighed the good he attempted to do. He was in his 70s at least during the events of the show, right? How many of those years were spent murdering and conquering?

He wanted Tea , pussy , Pai Sho and to chill .And being excellent to each other .Nothing more .

>Each should have its own reward
Fuck off, Stannis; not everyone susbribes to your model of morality.

He obviously cared about all those things, otherwise he wouldn't have contacted the Lotus.
Zuko was just always his #1 concern.

Azula's problem, I think, is that she experienced her first failure far too late in life.

I seriously think that, at the point she is introduced to us, she has never failed at anything.

Azula was always unstable, but apparently in the comic continuation she's fine, kinda-sorta reformed, and travels around with Zuko and his pals.

>Azula's problem, I think, is that she experienced her first failure far too late in life.
Also growing up in a fucked up enviroment encouraging her sociopathic behaviour.

Azula had daddy love me issues and her mother was kind of bitch with loving Zuko first and foremost.

Yeah of course. Because of her father's favor, she was never credibly punished for any kind of misbehavior (and I doubt her gentle, nonbender mother would have had either the guts or the power to do what was necessary even if she had the authority). In her own eyes, she was perfect, and her father's assessment didn't do anything to mar this perception.

I want a story about Ty Lee, Mei and Zuko trying to reach out to Azula and her VERY slowly opening up to them.

Maybe have her go to the Dragon Tribe to sort out her screwed up head through meditative bending.

Apparently there's something along those lines in the comics, but from what I've seen of them, I don't have much trust.

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iroh should have been hanged for his war crimes

this is paarthrunax all over again

prove me wrong

iroh should have actually killed the last dragons before his redemption

Paarthrunax unironically did nothing wrong. He literally would have let Alduin and the dragons keep ruling if it wasn't a literal 10/10 Goddess going up to him and begging him to betray his brother and kin for Humans.

he killed millions

>inb4 to save billions
he still killed the millions

Paarthrunax knows that, he doesn't feels regret over it or anything, and is like "get over it faggot."

>PIANDAO GET IN HERE WE'RE TELLING WAR STORIES
>Yes it's been a long time. But I still remember every face. You remember your first? Mine was some Omashu boy at the Battle of The Great Divide. My horse-ostrich took a boulder so I was on foot, slogging through the mud. He came running at me, this dumb earthbender lad, thinking he could end the invasion with a single swing of his changdao. I knocked him with a lightning blast SPIRITS I WAS STROOOONG THEN. Stood over him, lightning crackling in the air. Right before I brought it down he shouted "Wait! Wait!"
>....they never tell you how they all shit themselves. They don't put that part in the plays. Stupid boy. Now Omashu bends the knee like everyone else.
>He could have lingered on the edge of the battle with the smart boys and today his wife would be making him miserable, his sons would be ingrates, and he'd be waking three times in the night to piss into a bowl-
-TEA!
>Jeong. Spirits, what a stupid name. Jeong Jeong. Who named you? Some halfwit with a stutter??

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what if azula died during the crossroads of destiny episode, in front of zuko?

pre ADWD theon is a lot like zuko

hell if GRRM wrote ATLA zuko and azula would totally have a toxic incestual affair like jaime and cersei

>Jeong. Spirits, what a stupid name. Jeong Jeong. Who named you? Some halfwit with a stutter??

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Honestly, things wouldn't play out all that much different .
Zuko would still join back up with the Fire Nation, but I think he'd still end up joining up with the gang eventually. I'd just take a bit longer.

so Iroh was an incarnation of the Buddha ?

>incarnation of the Buddha
Not how that works.

Ozai only cared about power and would kill his kids for a promotion. You think ozai would cry and be greatly psychologically traumatized by the death

He didn't commit any war crimes; in fact it's canon that his son Lu Ten died because the Earth Kingdom soldiers DID commit war crimes.

>He didn't commit any war crimes
source?

>he didn't commit any war crimes
>it was the Earth Kingdom that were the true aggressors!
FNIDF please.

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He wasn’t. He encouraged his nephew to attack a 14 year old girl.

>tfw always thought that despite how evil he was Ozai under all that hate and desire for power was a soft man who loved his wife who disappeared
>Avatar comic destroy my headcanon
I can't stop suffering.

I don't know dude I thought Ozai's parable about the hawk and the turtleduck was a bright spot in an otherwise shoddy product. Turns out once he gets murderboner ED he can talk some harsh but necessary truths.

There's a bit of truth to it; even when Iroh was in full General Conqueror mode he spared that Dragon. That happened long before his son's death.

Do you really think Iroh would be able to kill two fucking dragons in a 1v1 fight and the defeat the Sun Warriors.

Lets not even pretend.

Sozin did make it a point of hunting down dragons for honor and sport. Therefore we can assume that a master firebender might actually be able to kill a dragon. Specially with lightningbending. I mean, you might think a normal human would be able to kill a rhyno, yet they're going extinct. With the power of fire(power) everything's possible.

There’s no way Iroh, the ancient general from Not!Japan didn’t go full Nanking on whatever he conquered.

How many illegitimate Earth Kingdom children do you think he has?

>Killing rhinos with a high powered rifle to the heart from a mile a way is the same as killing a dragon in close fire combat.

>Killing a dragon with a billion watts of energy vs killing a rhyno with a weird stick of wood and mettal with some weird powders.
You do understand that dragons aren't ultrapowerfull supernatural entites, right? That they were driven to almost extinction by FIREBENDERS, right?

The only people who know how to generate lightning are the royal family who kept it secret.

He was a traitor to his own people and should have been tortured rather than just jailed for years by Ozai.

Hitler loved dogs.

From the wiki:
>"Until at least the end of the Hundred Year War, the ability to generate lightning was an incredibly rare skill, usually reserved for the inner circles of Fire Nation royalty and high-ranking military officers."
That doesn't matter though. Firebenders still went out there and exterminated dragons to the point that there were 2 left.

>in fact it's canon that his son Lu Ten died because the Earth Kingdom soldiers DID commit war crimes.
Source pls

14 was pretty old a long time ago. People matured much quicker mentally.

Reminder that reformed Azula took the Irohpill and travelled the fire nation, becoming a guru and teaching people the royal family firebending style (and hence why lightning is more common now)

So that explains why everyone and their mother can lightning bend in LOK

>and teaching people the royal family firebending style (and hence why lightning is more common now)
Lightning has nothing to do with the royal style though; it just shows your mastery of bending and calmness of mind, which is why Azula stopped being able to use it while she was starting to lose it towards the end of the series.

>That happened long before his son's death
source?

>Lighting is about calmness of mind
>Mako still is able to use it while being choked to death and having his entire body restrained by Amon.

It's almost like the writers for Korra weren't very good at their job or something.

Azula was throwing lightning around while suffering from a mental breakdown, the writing was always shit.

Why is it people think every conquered part of the earth kingdom was turned into ash?

We saw occupied territory. There were still villages and trade happening. The earthbenders weren't even executed, just put in labor camps. And it probably wasn't even Iroh who did that, just some random fire nation general. But now we all believe that he was fighting total fucking war?

He sieged Ba Sing Sae for like 700 days and broke the outer wall If you know anything about warfare a siege is a shitty situation.

For a castle, yeah.
Ba Sing Sae was no castle.

peace was never an option
Azula was as intent to dominate the world as her father, there was only two ways the war would end, if the fire nation won, or if it lost

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