Will Hickman save the X-Men

Hickman's said he's not doing a traditional team. A million characters have been on the covers.

Don't place any large bets on it.

And none of them were able to salvage the franchise from the ruins of Bendis's House of M and Decimation.

Whedon in particular should be castigated for his part in doing nothing and allowing Bendis to proceed with HoM and basically killing the franchise.

Funny. I haven't read X-men or any current Marvel book since Ellis's Astonishing.
>that shit was a decade ago
My my. How time flies.

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I think I actually bought his FF run in trades I found on sale, but never ended up reading them.

Yes. This board is as pessimistic as all get out these days but this is a very promising development.

Pretty cool, thanks user

nice blog

>will Hickman save the X-Men

Probably not the X-Men have been in a downward spiral since the Quesada years
a) due to the bungling of one BMB as well as
b) the Avengers franchise eclipsing the X-Men and
c) the original 90s demographics that drove the success of the X-Men are only a fraction of the readership.

Hickman can't save the sinking ship when the captain can't even acknowledge they have struck an iceberg and taking in water.

this, but Hickman will get grilled no matter what.

This is just bloviating. He's setting up a new status quo, none of that matters.

Nothing can save the X-Men.

>Gillen
>Not awful

The question is if the X-Men books will be good after Hickman leaves. I'm sure Hickman's runs will be good but I'm also sure that the new writers and editorial will go back to the same "mutants are going extinct" or "creating a new mutant nation or safe space that totes won't get destroyed this time" well that they always go to.

There is no saving a franchise that absolutely nobody gives a fuck about anymore.
Notice how the Age of X-Man titles aren't getting storytimed anymore if you want proof.

In the shorter term, what other books will they launch and who will work on them? How will fans react if they don't launch any, and it stays just one or two books? Will Hickman still be getting top-tier artists 6 or 12 months into his run?

It absolutely does if
a) he is still held back and beholden to the work of previous writers especially Bendis's work and the status quo that Bendis enacted
b) the X-Men readership is no longer as strong as it was in the 90s and 00s. Buzzwords like new-status-quo aren't going to bring back an audience who have already abandoned the X-Men and comics altogether.

I have a feeling Hickman will retcon, hell destroy everything done by Bendis.

What are xmen unit sales now?

Hickman can probably be good if the story he is telling is tightly plotted and he limits the overall number of characters he is using. If it's like his run on Avengers, then it's going to be a mess. Just hope it's Ultimates/Fantastic Four Hickman and not Avengers Hickman.

What about Husk?

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>I have a feeling Hickman will retcon, hell destroy everything done by Bendis.
Do you really think any writer will commit career suicide to retcon gay Iceman?

I hope he does. I have faith on Hackman.

Given how Bendis cucked Hickman on wrting the new LoSH series, yes.

The entirely of Gillen's run will be remembered for is for shilling his OC Unit and his bizarre take on Sinister.

His Breakworld stuff was good though.

Well? Reply here instead of in that thread

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>Just hope it's Ultimates/Fantastic Four Hickman
That was then, this is now
>Just hope it's East of West Hickman

Gillen is the one that turned Sinister into 'I am gonna create my own nation full of clones of myself and no women because women are unnecessary''?

Sounds based. Women are useless.

>t. incel

Is Monet still fused with her brother, weird palm mouths and all?

T.retard

Imagine the handjobs.

based brainlet

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Imagine when they start talking in her brothers voice.

I just got caught up on Uncanny and I hope it does end with a total reset because this is trash. I know the books have been trash for years but this is just more of the same crap Rosenbergstein pulled in Astonishing. He claims he loves the X-Men and yet he makes them all total shit (no one seems to take Alex serious or remember he was a leader of the Avengers) and he is killing people left and right. As much as I hated the O5 sticking around so long at least Blue was entertaining, there is fucking nothing right now. I want Hickman to do his own thing and just start it fresh.

Most people know women are useless.

>I'm sure Hickman's runs will be good but I'm also sure that the new writers and editorial will go back to the same "mutants are going extinct" or "creating a new mutant nation or safe space that totes won't get destroyed this time" well that they always go to.
>"creating a new mutant nation or safe space that totes won't get destroyed this time"

It's interesting that you mention this, but this is apparently what Hickman's run is going to be about.

The covers for Hickman’s run show Magneto back in his Bendis suit for the first time in like 4 years and Scott has his Bendis suit just in blue and without the X visor. It looks like he is going back to Benis not the other way around.

Incels aren't people.

I think he is actually doing the whole ''new mutant world'' thing but not the ''mutants are going extinct'' shit.
Maybe he is going to do trime travel to shit on Bendis run.

"No time travel"

Only Gillen's Sinister stuff was good, the rest of the run was shit.

Then how do you explain the different version of characters from different eras? Dimensional travel?

For like 3 years. Then he'll leave and Marvel will fuck it up all over again.

Plently of normal men know women are weak.

Can the xmen move past the bigotry allegory?

Not him, but it's probably going to have flashbacks to previous eras and flashforwards to the future. Hickman has said no time travel and I think we should believe him.

@108596842
No (you)s for you.

Everyone has access to all their former outfits

Maybe he'll shit on Bendis run via flashbacks?

No.

How are you so sure Hickman won't roast Bendis in his run?

Not a chance. Especially not if that faggot White is still around.

They could, but they'd need writers who wanted to move past it. And to replace most of the fanbase, to get away with doing it.

possibly unpopular opinion and maybe harsh truth: X-Men are thematically outdated

Cn you explain yourself? Please. I have the same feelign about the X-Men too.

No

Yes, he also made a shotgun where the bullets are Cyclops eyes.

They're beyond saving desu

>Just hope it's Ultimates Hickman
You want me to hope for the Hickman that gave up on a fantastic story by giving it to another writer who completely fucked up the ending?

You're not wrong. They need a complete reboot.

Gillan run was fun, it was the last time x-men was decent, too bad bendis dropped the ball of the hype

>Do you really think any writer will commit career suicide to retcon gay Iceman?

if the MCU ever does straight Iceman (likely since China doesnt like gays) some wrtier will be the fall guy

equality has mostly been achieved in America and the West. Anything else is just identity politics from tumblrinas or chimping out from mouthbreathing /pol/tards.

The allegory no longer carries as much weight, especially amongst younger generations (from all races) who really don't care about these things and are too divorced from the Civil Rights era/Holocaust/etc to have people like MLK carry as much weight. It's a distant memory to them and he feels more like a symbol or historic person than something really relevant or tangible.

tl/dr version: Times and struggles have changed.

It's the first Marvel book I'm looking forward to since Vision ended 4 years back.

>muh China
Fuck off

Please don't speak for normal men, you have no idea what they think

I hope he goes X-Men into Eternals and makes them into a New God-esque pantheon, with supporting characters being like the Forever People.

Equality isn't as simple as "everyone has the same rights", there's a lot of damage that was done that needs to be repaired. There are still people alive who went to segregated schools, and plenty of deep rooted attitudes that you don't see if you're not the target.

Lol ur deluded.

Its man and man biased world.

so something like his avengers then?

I do see them, and I do understand those struggles. But they aren't as prominent as those in the past.

Seems like we are moving into a class struggle more than race/discrimination. Those will always exist, but Peter Parker seems like he's always going to be relevant compared to X-Men peaking from 70s-early 2000s.

let's see how prominent the supposed LGBT character is in the Eternals and then we'll talk

member when everyone said hackman would save the avengers? member how it lead to marvels worst event
I memba

>Marvel's worst event
I remember how it leads to Civil War II.

secret wars 3 was worse because not only was it a wet fart that did nothing except bring miles to 616, it also tarnished an actual good story and had 3 years of ooc avengers, civil war 2 was at least over relatively quick but hickmans avengers just kept dragging on being awful and the payoff wasnt even good

>Having this shit taste

Secret wars was a culmination of his story from Fantastic Four and Avengers. The payoff WAS the event. It didn't need lasting consequences post event because it was the Endgame of the storyarc, and it had HUGE reprecussions. Old Man Logan and Miles into the MCU. The Marvel cosmology was completely rewritten. It shelved the FF for quite a while. It was a direct lead into Inhumans vs X-Men. It was a direct lead into Ironheart. It completely got rid of Ultimate Marvel.

But more importantly it was a good STORY that paid off every theme and plot point from the FF/Avengers run. The culmination of the Illuminati machinations. The resolution of the Black Panther/Namor Rivalry. The resolution of the Maker and Molecule Man plots. The resolution to the Cabal storyline. Sounds like you're just bitter or missed the point entirely.

You are such a faggot holy shit.

>Secret Wars was worse than Civil War II

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M8 I can name like five events that are way worse than Secret Wars. Stop being a faggot.

To be fair, it makes sense for the X-men.

He is a faggot for what? Understanding Hickman's story?

>secret wars 3
You mean 4. Secret Wars 3 was the arc of Fantastic Four where it was revealed that The Beyonders created the cosmic cubes and gave Molecule Man his powers.

>like 5 that are worse
You'd have a harder time naming 5 that are better, at least if you're only going with line-wide events. Marvel's line-wide events have almost all been trash, going as far back as Secret Wars II, the second ever Marvel event.

Everything you mentioned it resolved happened off screen. We keep being told epic things are happening but never see them or they are anti climaxes

>holy shit you are a faggot for liking what I don't

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X-Men went to hell with Magik being half demon and Kitty having a dragon pet. That shit ain't mutant related at all.

lolno

First truly good bait of the day.

>hickmans avengers just kept dragging on being awful and the payoff wasnt even good
Understatement, but this.

And Xavier got crippled by an alien named Lucifer.

Somewhere, Liefeld is seething.

That shit was stupid too. Everything related to demons, magic and aliens ruined the X-Men. They should have stayed as something grounded.

You says this when the team is known for their space escapades.

They were never to begin with.
Also, Xavier's half brother got mystical powers from Cytorrak and Mystique and Rogue were enemies of a Kree hero's girlfriend.

POUCHES FROM THE POUCH DIMENSION!

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Did they ever served for something?

I think Scott used something out of the pouches when he crashed in Australia with Magneto's Acolytes, but don't quote me on that.

>PAD
I miss X-factor.

I dont know. Either I am going to hate it or love it. It wont be mediocre.

Wut aliens were part of some of the most iconic x-men arcs.

And the payoff to 3 years of Hickman's Avengers was a Doom/FF event.

>x-men went to hell in the early 80s

Is that you Kurt Busiek?

Lol stay mad fag nigger, go back to reading your Benis comics

Scemma's dinner conversation in Uncanny X-Men 18 was brilliant. The only part of that crossover I remember fondly.

Nothing will save X-Men. Unless you remove the status quo and make people mess into their affairs since mutants at this point cannot effectively police themselves. Or nerf mutants and make them feel like an oppressed minority.

>They should have stayed as something grounded.
At no point were they ever "something grounded."

I love Skottie's art

Fucking dope. Along with the Gambit bombs.

No. Next question, please.

I can't get over her getting dug out in the open sky in broad daylight while her parents watch from below.

I really like the idea of them wearing different suits like clothes. More heroes should do that from time to time, not just use the suit change as a gimmick to sell more books.