Is this still true?

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Have 5ex.

Simpsons hasn't been good since season 8.

WITNESSED

Kinda. Lisa was originally the "evil liberal" type. Mr. Burns was obviously the opposite, the evil conservative.

They were okay because while sometimes they did have points, the episodes when they got preachy showed them to be either called out on it by other characters or eventually realize they were wrong

With that said: Homer has become a massive jerkass, yes. Bart is whatever, I mean he's a cunt, sure. But ultimately he's gone from "massive under achiever and proud of it" to "being a future criminal and not caring".
Marge isn't that much of a nag, really. It's balanced out because she's bitching about Homer who's literally an abusive alcoholic.

Maggie is still the baby, yes. But with moments that lead us to believe she's a super baby.

Ultimately the problem is that Marge and Lisa are, to an extent, just secondary and used only when Homer/Bart need someone to be against them. The earlier seasons, up to around season... 14 would have actual stories for both Marge and Lisa. Now it's more or less obvious they're only used when the writers need them for a plot.

>S11 E5
It's funny that this episode became a meme, because it was unironically the first episode I remember seeing upon premiere and thinking, "Really? That was it?". The whole thing just seemed half-baked. From the forced "glove slap" catalyst with the not-quite clever song parody, to the lazy "let's fall back on Homer's childhood again" setting. I was bored to death by the time the animals were doing their nicotine-fit thing. The plot was dumb and had such a rushed conclusion. The episode was just wholly unsatisfying. If you count the B-52's performance as a celebrity cameo, it's pretty much the blueprint for every zombie Simpsons episode in the future.

>But ultimately he's gone from "massive under achiever and proud of it" to "being a future criminal and not caring".
I mean, why he wouldn't be like that, it has been proven multiple times that no matter how hard he tries at being good he's going to fail anyway.

I know what you did, you made another reply predicting dubs but you failed the count and then deleted the post
I just want you to know that i know, i have seen it all.

When has Marge ever been fun? Her main character joke has always been what a repressrd, hilariously strait-laced lame-o she is

He's actually able to succeed quite often. The problem is that he's demotivated by people around him.
Homer and Marge more or less ignored him as a younger child. His pre-school teacher constantly insulted him to the point he had depression at age 4. School in general failed him (and to the other kids)

Put him when he's motivated and he's smarter than a lot of people. Like how the fuck he managed to cut off the head of the statue. Or how he organised a raid into Shelbyville

The problem is that the writers have cornered him into being the "stupid failure" and ignored the fact when he's motivated, he's very clever.

Marge wasn't really meant to be fun, she was the straight man. But as time went on, she got more annoying and preachy about Homer

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its ten years since 2009, of course shits changed for the worst

>But as time went on, she got more annoying and preachy about Homer
I mean, it was really their only recourse with how much more exponentially stupid they made Homer. If they hadn't made her a turbo-nag, she would have just seemed complicit.

That's the problem with the entire angle they took.
Take Family Guy. Lois is a preachy bitch to Peter but has her own personality and interacts with other characters.

Outside of maybe a B plot at best, Marge is only seen as an extension to drive Homer's scenes. That wouldn't be so bad but she's supposed to be a main character.

Unfortunately it's due to her voice actress not able to really do the voices any more since about 8 years ago but still, it's that she's written only as a catalyst and nothing more

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Have Six.

>Unfortunately it's due to her voice actress not able to really do the voices any more
This is painfully true. I haven't watched an episode of new Simpsons in literally a decade, but I caught one on TV a few months ago and was fucking appalled at how badly most of the actors have aged out of/stopped giving a shit about their roles. At this point they COULD afford to replace Marge because I can't imagine a half-assed impersonation of her being any worse. Even Bart's voice was pretty shit.

user, most of them, with the exception of Hank and Yeardly who are 55, are at least 60, some are 70

They honestly need to either retire it or get new voices and the problem is that if they did get new voices, they would still be very popular. But they won't do it because they think it won't sell

Or at least women on sitcoms.

Holy shit, roasties eternally blown the FUCK out...

Pic of user predicting he’ll get five.

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That's cool, but what do you think of this 4?

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Anons, I’m scared!

Been a while since I've seen a good get. Respect.

I'd still say what happened to The simpsons isn't even close to what happened to family guy. I can't think of another show where all of the characters are as unlikable as that one.

>8 = 4 + 4

HOLY SHIT

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How the fuck?

based

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based as fuck

I thought Homer was evil in the earlier seasons but he slowly became a lovable retard as time went on.

C'mon, give me a 7!

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BASED roastoid destroyer AND Simpsonslayer.

>But ultimately he's gone from "massive under achiever and proud of it" to "being a future criminal and not caring".

Isn't Bart becoming a supreme court justice one of the few things that writers have refused to retcon in "future" episodes?

Weak
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t. Family Guy Chad

It was as true in 2009 as it is in 2009.

formerly untrue

That was about... 15 years ago, user.
The episode with Lisa being the president and Milhouse being a complete loser alongside Bart is cannon

pretty sure i saw a youtube clip with all of the characters dying in the future and judge bart killed skinner before being run over by his wheelchair

Roasties and whores ETERNALLY BTFO

1989 is more like 1994.
Real 1989 Simpsons is more like:

>Maggie
Baby
>Lisa
Wants a pony and a saxophone
>Homer
Average grumpy wagie (note: total catch by 2019 standards)
>Marge
Mediocre housewife and mother
>Bart
Tryhard who manages to be cool because most of his town is lame

It took a few years for the definitive, 1st rate incarnation of the Simpsons to develop. By 1999, these had begun to stagnant somewhat into stereotypes, and had reached the "2009" stage by 2004 actually.

Lord knows what they are by 2019.

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Every animated sitcom past 5 seasons

Season 1 is nothing like the mainstream "golden age" simpsons.

have sex

now look at this 8

>t-this can't be happening

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Dumb roastie you've already lost.

What pisses me off about this is that Paul McCartney was a cunt and would only do the episode if Lisa would continue to be a veterinarian.

Most intelligent post in the thread.

stop fucking with reality

now watch this beni- i mean 3

Based wizard

lisa and marge only exist for rule34 now

sneed

Ok so who's the worst Simpsons writers? I'd have to go with Tim Long and Rob LaZebnik.

>these days

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I can't even name Zombie Simpsons writers. Mr. Meme himself, Ian Maxtone Graham, was pretty bad, and a massive faggot IRL.

Mike Price has three good episodes: "My Mother the Carjacker", "Funeral for a Fiend", and "How the Test Was Won".

Tim Long is by far the worst but he's written so many that I still think at least 1/3rd of them are somewhat enjoyable.

As for people who've never written anything good, there's Stephanie Gillis. Joel Cohen sucks as well, and Kevin Curran and Billy Kimball.

Rob LaZebnik and Dan Castallaneta's wife also suck.

Bill Odenkirk has exactly two watchable episodes.

Also his laugh is just...no (if you've seen his DVD commentaries, you know what I mean).

Related question.
Is there any good contemporary Simpsons writer?

Where's John Frink?

IDGI. If Tim Long is so terrible, how did he get appointed an executive producer? I doubt they'd give that title to a subpar writer.

No there was that episode in the last few years that said, where they still kept Bart as Supreme Court Justice.

Are you stupid? He got the EP title most likely for seniority. It doesn't prove much other than that he has a lot of friends on the staff.

Besides, you can't overlook Saddlesore Galactica, Moe Goes From Rags to Riches, Elementary School Musical, and the many other detestable episodes he wrote.

Tim Long wrote Lisa Goes Gaga, that alone ensures him a place in Hell forever and ever.

John Frink's episodes are either great or awful, there's no middle ground with him. So's Matt Selman. You either love or hate his output.

Can we hate Daniel Chun for Jazzy & The Pussycats?

Saddlesore isn't that bad and Tim's DVD commentaries are always funny.

Why would women even care

Really

Why would women care about that

That is autitic

Women don't care about anything until they hit the wall.

Found the roastie

How about bad episodes written by normally good writers? For example I never did like Lady Bouvier's Lover and it's probably the worst one written by Oakley & Weinstein. You just...don't care about Marge's mom as a character and I think they quickly figured this out which is why they never really used her again (along with Julie Kavner disliking doing the voice).

David Stern: Viva Ned Flanders
George Meyer: Brother's Little Helper
Richard Appel: When You Dish Upon A Star

>George Meyer: Brother's Little Helper
This one and The Parent Rap are two shockingly bad episodes. Meyer didn't write anything between Seasons 6 and 9 and during that interval it seems like he lost it.

Dan Greaney: Bart to the Future
Ken Keeler: You already know. No need to name that episode.
John Swartzwelder: All post-Season 9 episodes

even one of Bart's "shitty" future episodes had him bring up going to a night law school.

Al Jean wrote two atrocious Season 12 episodes (Day of the Jackanapes and Children of a Lesser Clod).

Hello Gutter, Hello Fadder was also pretty awful though I'm not sure Scully episodes should count. Also fuck the user who didn't like Lady Bouvier's Lover.

whats wrong with that? it's a unique trait, that didn't go back to the status quo. don't be so intolerant of other views

Jean and Reiss were changed by The Critic and not in a good way. Anything they did afterwards was poor to bad. Even the much-praised Lisa's Sax has a large number of Critic-style jokes in it that feel out of place in the Simpsons.

Sneed

>Tim Long is by far the worst but he's written so many that I still think at least 1/3rd of them are somewhat enjoyable.

You didn't list some of his biggest atrocities - "Mobile Homer, "Hail Mary Pass", and "She Used to Be My Girl"

I don't think any of Carolyn Omine's episodes are worth watching, including the horribly overrated A Star is Torn.

In the early seasons Marge was a bigger nag than Lisa. Lisa would even laugh at some of Bart’s antics, not sure when the series made her such a killjoy.
Also from what little I’ve seen of nu-simp Bart is basically a soiboi pretending to be a rebel.

Frink without Don Payne is pretty bad.

I don't find any Dan Castallaneta/Deb Lacusta episodes very engaging and fuck them for deciding to sober up Barney.

Jeff Westbrook wrote On A Clear Day I Can't See My Sister, so to hell with him.

Best writers:

John Swartzwelder: If you overlook his post-Season 9 episodes of course. IDK what happened with those. Maybe he just stayed with the show too long and ran out of ideas.
Jay Kogen and Wallace Walladorsky: Too bad they left the show so early
Oakley and Weinstein: Wrote some great episodes and were brilliant as showrunners
Dan McGrath: Another great guy who didn't write enough episodes

Worst writers:

Tim Long: Bit obvious pick but he started ok and got steadily worse and worse.
John Frink: Total garbage without Don Payne
Carolyn Omine: Please shoot her with a rifle
Joel Cohen: Some of the most boring episodes ever written
Matt Warburton: No he's not quite the worst, but he deserves to be here because he made the show jump the shark.

Swartzwelder stopped coming into the studio in Season 7 and just wrote scripts from home, apparently because the rest of the staff couldn't stand his chain smoking. Also I understand after that point he didn't come up with episode ideas anymore, he just did plots they assigned him--for example, Homer Simpson vs the Eighteenth Amendment because of its vintage Americana theme.

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I think blaming the writer for the episode is a bit of a brainlet move seeing as to how much an episode script is a collaborative effort. It's honestly hard to say just how much of the finished episode was the credited writer's hand and it's probably better to judge writers by their work outside the Simpsons (for instance Tim Long's Twitter is pretty faggoty).

Half Decent Proposal is maybe the best one of Season 13 and that's a Tim Long episode. Dial N For Nerder and To Cur With Love are surprisingly better than the average for Carolyn Omine.

Matt Selman is very very overrated. After Trilogy of Error, he didn't write anything good and his Season 19-21 episodes were particularly horrible. Sky Police is actually above average for him.

Unusually good:

Tim Long: Half Decent-Proposal and MoneyBart
Jeff Westbrook: THOH XXIV
Marc Wilmore: The Good, The Sad and The Drugly (not including his earlier efforts as he was a decent writer up until the HD episodes)
Rob LaZebnik: The War of Art and The Kids Are All Fight
Joel H. Cohen: Fat Man and Little Boy and Lisa Simpson, This Isn't Your Life
Kevin Curran: Don't Fear the Roofer

Unusually Bad:

Matt Selman: Husbands and Knives (for some reason I got this Tim Long vibe while watching this episode)
John Swartzwelder: The Mansion Family
Ian Maxtone-Graham: Dark Knight Court
George Meyer: Brother's Little Helper
Dan Greaney: Bonfire of the Manatees

There needs to be more love for Tim Long's The Devil wears Nada. It is probably his best, along with Half-Decent Proposal. Two actually great episodes that stand out among the pile of steaming turds. It's amazing to me that the guy has been in both the best and the worst installment of the HD era I've watched so far.

John Swartzwelder's post-Season 9 episodes were pretty sorry for the most part, but then again he's not necessarily my favorite Season 1-8 writer.

>There needs to be more love for Tim Long's The Devil wears Nada
Yeah I can't understand either how he goes from this understated gem to Lisa Goes Gaga in all of three seasons.

What's so great about The Devil Wears Nada? The plot wasn't terribly great, but it had the potential to go someplace, instead it turned into yet another lame marriage crisis episode. Marge and Flanders had some really awkward moments, and Homer's subplot wasn't any good either.

Tim Long did somewhat impress me with MoneyBART and Bull-E, both solid HD episodes.

Dana Gould honestly doesn't get the credit he deserves.

Poppa's Got a Brand New Badge and C.E.D'oh are pretty decent but some others he wrote like The President Wore Pearls and Goo Goo Gai Pan are beyond the pale of forgiveness.

Marge was always a naggy wet blanket (most sitcom mothers are)

Holy shit

magic now is also a feminist bitch

Swartzwelder was with the show 15 seasons and he wrote almost 60 episodes. It may well be that he stayed in too long and ran out of gas.

I don't think Jon Vitti ever wrote a bad episode and he has a couple I can never get tired of watching.

No, she was already that since the Lisa vs Malibu Stacy episode

Still, he worked from home and apparently just did plots they assigned him instead of coming up with his own after Season 6.

Kogen & Walladorsky
Best: Last Exit to Springfield
Worst: Homer's Odyssey

John Swartzwelder
Best: The Day the Violence Died
Worst: Simpson Safari

Oakley & Weinstein
Best: Sweet Seymour Skinner's Badassss Song
Worst: Bart vs Australia

Brent Forrester
Best: Homerpalooza
Worst: Lemon of Troy

Jean and Reiss
Best: Moaning Lisa
Worst: Stark Raving Dad

David S. Cohen
Best: Lisa The Vegetarian
Worst: Bart the Mother

Mike Scully
Best: Lisa on Ice
Worst: Sunday, Cruddy Sunday

Dana Gould
Best: Poppa's Got a Brand New Badge
Worst: The President Wore Pearls

Al Jean
Best: Lisa's Sax
Worst: Children of a Lesser Clod

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Carolyn Omine
Best: Halloween of Horro
Worst: Luca$

Jeff Martin
Best: Three Men and a Comic Book
Worst: How Lisa Got Her Marge Back

David Stern
Best: Bart Gets an F
Worst: Kamp Krustier

Bill Odenkirk
Best: Treehouse of Horror XV
Worst: Love Is a Many Strangled Thing

Tim Long
Best: Half-Decent Proposal
Worst: Moe Goes from Rags to Riches

Valentina L. Garza
Best: Opposites A-Frack
Worst: Loan-a Lisa

Jon Vitti
Best: Lisa's Substitute
Worst: Marge vs Singles, Seniors, Teens, Childless Couples, and Gays

Julie Thacker
Best: Last Tap Dance in Springfield
Worst: The Old Man and the "C" Student

Michael Nobori
Best: YOLO
Worst: To Surveil With Love

How do you people know this much about Zombie Simpsons episodes and writers? Some of the writers and episodes in here I've never even heard of.

what's wrong with that cat

Some people probably sit down and furiously watch episodes of something they know they're not going to like, just to write up letters about how much they didn't like it.

Joel H. Cohen
Best: The De-Barted
Worst: Clown in the Dumps

Jeff Westbrook
Best: Apocalypse Cow
Worst: Let's Fly a Coot

Mike Price
Best: Funeral for a Fiend
Worst: The Boys of Bummer

Kevin Curran
Best: Sex, Pies and Idiot Scrapes
Worst: The Greatest Story Ever D'ohed

Ron Hague
Best: Homer's Phobia
Worst: Dumbell Indemnity

George Meyer
Best: Homer the Heretic
Worst: Brother's Little Helper

Lisa is only decent when paired up with Homer, most of the time.

Isn't bart also a master chemist, and drummer to the extent that hes even better than Lisa as a musician...

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The Parent Rap was co-written with Mike Scully fwiw.

Before sneedposting, every Simpsons thread on here was basically the same old boring topics, such as

>Golden age
>Decline
>Principle and le pauper
>Lady gaga episode
>RIP hartman
>Oh noes the cracks were already showing in season X
>Hey guys seasons 1-12 were great
>Nah it's s1-10
>Season 10 was pretty bad i'd say it's 1-9
>No, it's 1-8, season 9 was already a wretched shiftiest
>Season 8 was too meta it's just 1-7 as the classics
>Season 7 had already jumped the shark with the conclusion of Who Shot Mr Burns. It's 1-6 only; after season 6 the show felt less cozy and more an institution
>Stiff HD animation
>Scorpio
>Monorail
>Tik tok

rehashed ad nauseum for the past 10 years.

The sneed meme basically put a mercy bullet in the stale discussion.

But that's what most of this thread is.

If so, it was one of a thousand bullets spray from the nozzle of a maniac's submachinegun, riddling the entirety of Yea Forums with bleeding holes ruining any good discussion of the Simpsons outside of its appropriate board (aka like any good discussion ever) and even harming threads that just happen to use a Simpsons reaction image. A cure so inept it inspired a backlash.

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Yikes, jannies are STEAMING right now.

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He forget some

>grrr, I hate Lisa so much
>Mike Scully
>plz assassinate Al Jean
>why they never show Lisa naked?
>jockey elves
>panda rape
>grrr, I hate that Asian baby so much

He forget some

>grrr, I hate Lisa so much
>Mike Scully
>plz assassinate Al Jean
>why they never show Lisa naked?
>Julie Kavner's voice is fucked
>actually the show wasn't bad until the HD episodes
>The Boys of Bummer
>jockey elves
>panda rape
>grrr, I hate that Asian baby so much

You can delete the posts but I can still easily check them.

your descriptions are shit

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Still I witnessed those blessed numbers

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>Before this singular repetitive meme was spammed ad nauseum there were only 16 different things people used to talk about with any frequency. Not including all the shit added AND all the quoting, 'favorite jokes/episodes/characters' discussions, and comparisons to other shows.

Wow you're right, it was basically the same as it is now.

Go across the land and tell what you saw here today

No the show just got so derivative that lazier descriptions are more apt.

If this was true people would make similar memes for every shitty done-to-death topic.

Look, I'm fine with Sneed so long as it's funny and the people doing it just own up to it being shitposting, but all this pretentious justifications for it really, really make the people doing it look like a bunch of butthurt Reddit fags or Zoomers who don't like the earlier seasons. It's like watching A-Log back in the early CWC community.

Awww, go easy on 'em. I kinda like watching Sneedposters, they remind me of non-ironic Kek worshippers from back in 2017.

They don't and you shouldn't.

How is that relevant?