Disney destroyed the greatest villains of Fantastic Four making them the good guys?
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Mole Man's a good guy now?
Yes... as we all know, all members of a given species are exactly the same and retain the same standards and motivations their entire lives.
Namor’s a good guy now?
>get turned into cows by Richards
>called off invasion after they are fooled into believing monsters in comic books are real
>greatest villans
Yea Forums tourists need to leave.
Doom's a good guy?
SOME are good you fucking moron just like some people are good
I think you're watching a lot of mcu movies.
Wouldn’t doubt it for the mcu. Every single kree was a genocidal soldier that’s fine with destroying entire species just to keep feeling superior. The alien race that thanos controlled were all super evil soldiers that obediently took orders until they died. Only humans have been shown to be capable of being more complex and not one note. Only exceptions are the guardians but they’re all the last ones of their races so doesn’t matter
Or perhaps he lives in the real world.
Even in Captain Marvel
which could be a much better movie if Skrulls were like in comics
>Disney destroyed the greatest villains of Fantastic Four making them the good guys?
They had no choice. They wanted to make the Skrulls an allegory for refugees which meant that under no circumstances could they be portrayed in a negative light. They prioritized their agenda over storytelling and in doing so not only fundamentally altered a prominent group of characters, but effectively put a strangehold on their potential for the remainder of the MCU. Because the Skrulls are the poor refugees seeking asylum; make them villains in any movie in the future and the media will attack the MCU for being racist.
Stay woke, though.
>Every single kree was a genocidal soldier
But that's not true. Mar-vel was a Kree.
My spider sense is detecting a possible shil
Yes, but MCU Mar-Vell was also a woman, so by default she couldn't be evil.
>They wanted to make the Skrulls an allegory for refugees
I think it's time for Feige to take some 20-year vacations from the MCU
the who?
I'm glad they making them good guy because secret invasion or whatever skrull invasion arc is sound boring as fuck. It would be lame if they wasted multiple movies on these shitty green aliens.
Why did they give him the name Talos, a Skrull specifically known for not being able to shapeshift???
Do we really need to have a Mini-Storytime again?
Alright, fine.
You make a fair point, but that just raises more questions about Brie wiping out entire ships worth of them. If they’re an always evil race, then it’s “fine” for the heroes to wipe them out en-masse. But if they’re shown to be capable of complex morals and emotions, then our hero is a bit of a sociopath. The new Star Wars movies suffer from this same issue, wherein they give stormtroopers humanity via Finn, but ten minutes later he’s mowing them down and it’s never explored again.
>greatest villains of Fantastic Four
Yea Forums please leave
>Because the Skrulls are the poor refugees seeking asylum; make them villains in any movie in the future and the media will attack the MCU for being racist.
I believe this is really what the MCU writes think
They are going on a path contrary to comics
Good luck with Phase 4 because they will need
Hasn't been introduced yet.
I assume they'll give him the Thanos treatment and just have him in the end scenes for awhile.
Exactly this. There is no feasible way to do Super-Skrull now without him being a lone terrorist from an otherwise peaceful refugee faction and no matter how you slice it, that’s a narrative they simply can’t pull off without being either ham-handed or pissing off the woke crowd
Reminds me of Jurassic World 2. It wanted to have this woke AF message about tearing down walls and letting the dinosaurs free because walls are evil and we all have a right to live and abolish borders, etc.
Then they showed t-rexes and velociraptors running amok all over the suburbs and destroying everything, completely negating their woke af message about accepting refugees and tearing down walls.
If it's possible for Stormtroopers in the First Order to be capable of free will, then it's pretty fair to assume that none of them actually decide to do the right thing apart from Fin. And that's also forgetting that Fin only really cared about getting away from the FO, not actually fighting against it.
the way you do this would be similar to the comics, have a younger popular leader radicalize the majority of the skrulls.
Kang’s a good guy?
I read the fantastic four comics when I was a kid, the classic editions of the 60's, 70's and 80's
if it's not the skrulls who are they?
dr doom? lmao
There’s no way they can do that without some awkward real life parallels. It’s too messy for Marvel to touch. You really think Disney is going to go with a narrative wherein a peaceful refugee race is among us, but quickly radicalized by one guy?
Well, considering that it's a movie meant to be watched and understood by CHILDREN, then yes.
The only thing Disney can really do now is go for a NOT ALL SKRULLS angle and have the majority good Skrulls help fight the minority bad Skrulls and then have some moralizing at the end where a bunch of characters who hated all Skrulls get saved by some good Skrulls and have to check their privilege or some shit.
Other than that, there really isn't any way out of the "Skrulls are just like Muslim refugees in Europe" parallel that thought was so clever at the time.
>I read the fantastic four comics when I was a kid, the classic editions of the 60's, 70's and 80's
that's even more depressing
Bullshit. Disney knows perfectly well that a narrative about peaceful refugees turning violence is a shitstorm waiting to happen. They only tackle anything remotely political in the most basic and bland ways, even then it’s mostly through media surrounding the movie and not the movie itself, as in BP and CM. They will never, ever have the Skrulls turn because of what it implies about real life refugees, one of the hottest political topics right now. You’re delusional if you believe otherwise.
Skrulls are better as good guys.
The Kree/Skrull conflict has always been morally grey, it's only black and white once Earth gets involved.
Ah, yeah. I forgot to bring that up, but I had the same exact thought. It only works if there’s a big scene where all the good Skrulls disavow the bad Skrulls, but as I said in another comment that would be some ham-handed shit. Then again, after Captain Marvel and the girl power scene in Endgame, Marvel might have forgotten subtlety
Not to mention the one that let them lose was an idiot kid "clone" because "they are just like me."
And then, they have the religious zealots trying to conquer shit anyways.
He loves you.
So no, the villains are not destroyed, stop being a baby
Except Minn-Erva was a villain?
Man you guys really grasp at straws.
They could make this explicit in Captain Marvel
Heck they already hold some kinda holy reverence for Carol.
So the Skrull are all kinda messed up in the MCU
This. The black and white is that the Skrulls must be exterminated.
>Every single kree was a genocidal soldier that’s fine with destroying entire species just to keep feeling superior.
>Mar-Vell doesn’t exist anymore
Also the movie only featured Starforce and Ronan the Accuser.
That’s every single Kree then? Use your fucking brain user
They already did it with Killmonger, and that WAS A BLACK GUY, no sugar-coating involved. You really are treating the audience like children.
But its gonna be that way. Because Carol has likely been killing loads of Kree off screen in her search to find a place for her Skrulls and their hyperspace boat.
>Every single kree was a genocidal soldier
Did you even see FFH? They mention Kree soldiers who abandoned their cause.
>that's even more depressing
Yes, now the Marvel comics are like this
And all mcucks are good, right?
>just raises more questions about Brie wiping out entire ships worth of them
She wasn’t though. The “entire ships” Carol was blowing up were bombs. They literally show twice that Ronan was commanding a fleet of Bombers.
They used the same bombs on Torfa at the beginning of the movie when Starforce went to find their informant. Ronan was in charge of bombing runs as a distraction so they can infiltrate and find their dude who was already Skrull’d
Most black people in the audience left the theater thinking Killmonger was the hero with the right message.
Black audiences also left the theater thinking they needed to start barking at white people who speak out of turn. Perhaps black audiences SHOULD be treated like children? They have the developmental skills of 6-year-olds, after all.
Unironically yes
>Because Carol has likely been killing loads of Kree off screen
Doubtful. I mean if we get into it, most of not all of StarForce are still alive, her beef is definitely with the Accusers, who were already at the fringe way before Ronan radicalized. They're the ones who enacted the Kree's imperialist forces, and we all know they aren't saints in the comics either.
Nah not gonna do this. Have your (You) though, you seen thirsty.
Another mess made by Kevin Feige, his mission is to fuck all good things done by Stan Lee?
>We need to start barking
based and DMXpilled
>Black audiences also left the theater thinking they needed to start barking at white people who speak out of turn.
You need to get off the internet more.
>a bunch of outdated images
for what purpose?
But this guy said it’s a movie for children???
Shitposting aside, Killmonger was endlessly praised because black pride and no one acknowledges how his actions don’t really follow his pronounced ideology. People treat Killmonger like he had a point. How are you going to treat a killer skrull like he has a point, unless he’s doing nothing but killing Kree, who we already established have lives that count for nothing as of Captain Marvel. They’re already faceless goons for mass slaughter, if Super Skrull goes around killing kree he can’t exactly be seen as a bad guy when Marvel does the exact same thing.
Dude she flew through a ship and went “woohoo”. Also blew up that Skrull ship in the beginning, which I guess they weren’t mad about?
Only 10 years and MCU has already turned into shit
who gives a fuck about the skrulls
they've been wiped out five times over in the comics already
Easy: make the Super-Skrull also kill peaceful Skrulls. It's really not difficult user, that's what Killmonger did add soon as he arrived: destroy their entire culture and give away their riches.
>we niggers are barking dogs
Their words.
>only 10 years
Motherfucker, what? Like a decade is a short amount of time?
They could probably do Secret Invasion with Veranke as the charismatic leader and Kl'rt as the muscle if they wanted to go down that road. Especially as if the Fantastic Four film starts in the 60's and ends bringing them to modern day they have a set up on why he has those powers as they already encountered the FF.
This is going off-topic, but to this day I’m baffled about the praise for Killmonger. Specifically because of what you just said, among many other things. Dude was a mad dog and, more offensively, did the palette swap villain stunt
You're right, their decadence is obligatory now that a long time has passed.
Honestly, to me, nothing beats the fact that some people now hold Wakanda and the Black Panther movie as a point of pride.
A fictional land that doesnt even resemble or represent anything that has ever existed now or in the past, created by white people, produced by Disney.
>their last two movies have been two of their best
>ITS SHIT NOW REEEEE
calm down DCuck
You can easily detect a millennials
The biggest shit is written by them.
You just hold your breath, user.
Black people also think Wakanda is a real place and travel agencies are still being inundated with requests to book trips there.
White people believe Agrabah exists do maybe it's a symptom of American education?
I hate to break it to you but most comics are shittily written.
Well, there’s some obvious reasons
>marketing blitz by one of the biggest media companies feeding the narrative
>ancillary media feeding the narrative in even more ridiculous fashion
>MCU hype and fanboys
>Killmonger represents black anger and oppression
>Wakanda unintentionally running parallel to the we wuz kangs shit
>BP himself as a wise, calm african king with super awesome powers and amazing tech
It’s fucking perfect for our politically charged times
Wakanda posting is the black equivalent of Hogwarts posting
Kress is a metaphor for Nazi soldiers and the Skrulls are the Jews
I can understand what Stan Lee did in the 60's and what Disney is doing now but we are in 2019 and this is retarded
Just make good movies, forget the politics
I think we should remove black people from this conversation. They're stupid on an entirely different level from every other race and we shouldn't make judgment calls based on how they think and act. These are the
>Niggaz you gotta go to Wal-Mart an lick dad ice creem an put it back inna case ta git even wif wypipo
sort of intellectualism we're dealing with. Let's just set black people aside and consider how everyone else would judge the movie and its messages, ok?
No they dont.
Stop reaching.
>which meant that under no circumstances could they be portrayed in a negative light.
that is specifically objectively false and you probably didn't mean it that way, but I stopped reading right there anyway.
>No they don't
>A recent Public Policy Polling survey found that 30% of Republicans and 19% of Democrats say they support “bombing Agrabah” – the fictional nation portrayed in the Disney movie Aladdin. This is not a surprising result. Pollsters have long known that it is easy to get survey respondents to express opinions about nonexistent legislation, such as the “Metallic Metals Act.” It is also easy to elicit survey responses that reveal widespread scientific ignorance. For example, one recent poll found that 80 percent of Americans support “mandatory labels on foods containing DNA.”
Not really, no. All we've seen of the Skrulls in 2023 is their sanctuary/mothership with a fleet of spacecraft. In Captain Marvel like 30 years earlier, they were a dying race due to their complex war with the Kree. Presumably they still hold a vengeance for the Kree and will attempt to attack them with their newfound power. Perhaps Fury and SHIELD(/SWORD) come to a disagreement with them and the FF are brought in somehow. Also, Xandar has some sort of peace treaty with the Kree I think. So perhaps they become an intergalactic threat if they fight Xandar.
>"i can put anything i like in quotation marks"
- user, the asshole
Is Xandar even a thing anymore
you missed the point
Source: washingtonpost.com
We don't know but likely not, since Thanos should've destroyed it while looking for the Power Stone.
Dorrek and the Skrulls sound like total dicks here.
Or maybe this supposed parallel isn't there and your alt-right fever dream doesn't exist.
>It wanted to have this woke AF message about tearing down walls
You what? It's about not playing God and leaving nature the fuck alone. Things don't go wrong when they build walls and pen up the dinos, things go wrong when they make a dino better than nature could.
Doctor Doom isn't in the MCU yet user
>Americans are stupid
News at 11.
African Americans are also Americans. You're a racist.
>Wahington post
I say this as a liberal, you should know better.
Why did they abandon this? nuSkrulls have shitty makeup and shitty costumes.
Oh, thanks.
>villains
Yeah, around the world we just call them americans. Or the worst americans.
They probably ran out of money
The poll is referenced in the article, and they didn't conduct it. The point is, it's not an isolated event and more of a phenomenon that pervades polling of that sort. Better then have retards in here claim a land that was explicitly equated to "El Dorado" in the movie is actually real.
>finds his childhood sweetheart after years apart, and reminisces with her about their youth
>immediately proceeds to skin her alive and sell her to demons from hell who will enchant her skin so he can wear it as magical armor just so he can go pick a fight with the Fantastic Four again
Yeah, villain.
Pure Skrull propaganda.
>Skrulls
>Greatest villains
Poor bait is poor.
He thinks people will stop buying marvel that way since he his fighting a battle with them in his little, retarded head.
>Every single Kree
Really? All seven of them?
(Ronan, Korath, Soh-Larr, Yon-Rogg, Minerva, Atlas, and Bron-Char, all of whom were members of the Kree military elite.)
Oh, wait! There was also that one guy, or girl, Mar-Vell - a Kree, yet clearly not OK with genocide.
The Chitauri are an exception, in that their entire culture is warfare and also they are nothing more than a placeholder name, faceless ciphers in the context of the MCU; unlike the Skrulls, who have always been shown to be complex, although culturally hostile towards humans.
So no, I completely disagree with you.
Disney is choosing directors with no personality and who are not familiar with comics so they can do whatever they want.
if you do not know
Disney literally destroyed Marvel comics in the last 10 years
so it's only natural that they do not want an image of an ugly Skrull that will make children scared
You don't have a spider-sense, Ollie.
I am curious.
Are you really this retarded, or is this satire?
>our hero is a bit of a sociopath.
DING DING DING!
Tell the man what he has won!
Are you that guy who lied about black people beating him in the theater?
>Scott Derrickson
>Ryan Coogler
>James Gunn
>No personality
Oink oink, said the DCfag.
>one person out of billions that was clearly not the normal kree means the entire kree population was good and didn’t want to actually genocide other planets if they didn’t bend the knee
So why were they doing that then and wasting time with war?
>Seething
>There is no feasible way to do Super-Skrull now without him being a lone terrorist from an otherwise peaceful refugee faction
Are you fucking serious?
Notice the Cotati and the Kree are dropped off on separate planets, something most writers seem to forget. Note also the Skrull seems to imply this was at least half a billion years ago.
Kang's an Avengers villain.
And if you bring up Rama-Tut you can suck it.
Thank you mods. Now we can go back to discuss whether the Kree are all fascists or not.
Unlike every other Kree we saw, Mar-Vell was a scientist. It stands to reason that members of the race outside the direct influence of the Supreme Intelligence might be more critical of the Empire, don't you think? Not every Kree was military.
What is Hulkling?
C'mon this is Disney. It's costumes, one of the most important parts in capeshit. Between this and Black Panther's CGI, It's just embarrasing.
Who are those people, my angry Marvel Muslim? Answer quickly, the mods are killing this thread.
It's not fair to say that "black people think". It is an all too encompassing epithet that is so vast as to result meaningless. Black Americans you mean? Even then, what you just said is bullshit; there surely are some people who think that Wakanda exists, same way some people think Middle Earth or Narnia exist as well, but you can't accused an entire collective of something so ludicrous.
Here's an idea: white Skrulls. Everyone hates whites, right?
Sorry my man, I know all you see is Snyder, but those are the directors of some of the best Marvel movies that aren't precisely the most popular characters.
How about Wakanda? They were not refugees, but a faction of them was quickly radicalized by a clear asshole.
"The Earth shall be your grave"
One out of the eight Kree we saw, you mean.
OK, but did they do any remarkable movies before? I never heard of them, although I don't watch Hollywood movies anymore (thanks capes).
This is Based Disney not WB
They will literally NEVER run out of money
The glorious promised messianic leader of the Knights of the Infinite.
I'm starting to get there.
Don't worry they probably replaced captain marvel and have been pretending to be her for the past 40 years.
>They will literally NEVER run out of money
Cut one head off -
Creed
Sinister
Super
Respectively.
So, nothing? Oh well, it makes sense. Talented creators are more expensive than nobodies.
You're right, none of these compare to the genius of Sucker Punch. My bad, should've checked!
That's why they can buy so many movie theater seats.
Like White Martians?
At last, someone who is not afraid to like what he likes.
>And that's also forgetting that Fin only really cared about getting away from the FO, not actually fighting against it.
That didn't stop him from mowing down 50 of them during his initial escape and cheering about it.
And the stormtroopers were rendered even less human than the clones, who at least got nicknames. Finn was a serial number until Poe called him that.
Yes. And with UK and American accents, to make them scarier.
>If it's possible for Stormtroopers in the First Order to be capable of free will, then it's pretty fair to assume that none of them actually decide to do the right thing
Military indoctrination is one hell of a drug.
That was way nonsensical, actually. Get Out is pissed at T’Challa for messing up ONCE with Klaw. T’Challa does not bother to tell his friend some dude with Wakandan iconography stole him back. Said dude just so happens to show up on the border Get Out patrols, with the dead body of Klaw, which Killmonger could not have planned. This causes Get Out to betray his friend and later his lover, who at least had a decent excuse for why she tolerated Killmonger. It’s ridiculous. And that’s the best reason we’re given for the Rhino tribe’s loyalty to Killmonger.
>all this pro-Skrull propaganda from Disney
Absolutely disgusting.
>traumatized by death of Stormtrooper buddy
>realize you have to escape the First Order
>team up with the guy who shot your buddy
>kill tons of other troopers while screaming wooo
>become bffs with guy who shot your buddy
>spend two movies being a fumbling comedy relief janitor
>Calling him "Get Out" all the way through
Endgame and Captain Marvel?
Shit movies
thor fat and weak
iron man without a new suit made by vibranium or tony stark with some genius plan
hulk without a healing factor
professor hulk is just a mongoloid
where is the Shi'ar guard in the final battle?
Shi'ar Empire are hidden like Captain Marvel?
Where are the Nova Corps?
gay speech
captain marvel Deus Ex Machina
captain marvel and endgame are two of the worst capeshits of all time
Far from Home, user.
How do you feel about all that wasted effort?
>Marvel says the Scrull are harmless refugees, simply looking for a home
>sudden reveal, they're evil want to end humankind as we know it
Honestly? Kinda based.
you cited directors who did exactly what the user are saying
>skrulls
>best villains of the FF
>not Doom, Galactus, Mole Man, or literally anybody else
>ITT people who don't read comics bitch about movies not being what they think is comic accurate
Doom is a Mary-Sue
Moleman is dumb
Glactus is just boring
>ITT Disney shills defend the overlord using half a century of wildly variable comics
>Fantastic Four
Literally who?
It's about letting nature do it's own thing instead of constantly messing with it not border walls you utter moron
This guy gets it.
Way to bait.
>Honestly? Kinda based.
Kevin Feige does not have the capacity to do something like this.
He can only do something like Captain Marvel
>Jurassic World had a woke message
Retard alert.
Super Skrull and those in service to the Skrull Queen have not been seen yet.
The current Disney model is to spends millions to market a movie, then toss tens of thousands to a CGI house to finish it up on a crunch deadline. It's why the first Iron Man looks better than Black Panther or Captain Marvel
>>not Doom, Galactus, Mole Man, or literally anybody else
Skrulls are better than all these desu
Fuck off bendis
>the Shi'ar guard
The who?
You do realize the Shi'ar are X-Men-affiliated, right?
>Where are the Nova Corps?
Eradicated right before 'Infinity War'.
>hulk without a healing factor
Well, not a healing factor that can handle the Infinity Gems, anyway.
>captain marvel Deus Ex Machina
Alas, alas. If only she had been introduced in Phase 2, was played by another actress (or an actor in a wig, or CGI animated, or a mannequin moved with strings), had had an actual character arc and duly got her ass kicked by the guy with the fucking Infinity Gems to raise the stakes, it might have been OK.
Stop treating them as if they are all one monolithic block. Ironically that is precisely what real-life xenophobes do.
Xenophobes are all the same. Sheeeeit.
>those in service to the Skrull Queen
If there is one.
For my money, Talos should have been Dorrek VII to show what a difference a small change can make.
do you expect any less from Yea Forums?
What exactly are you trying to prove by posting that picture? Do you really think that sort of shit costume would work on the screen like that?
>Do you really think that sort of shit costume would work on the screen like that?
Not that guy, but leotards could work on screen, it's what females use in lots of sports, Kevin Feige is a fag
>thor fat and weak
While I prefer my Thor with his trusty Hammer Mjolnir (I think it was kinda weird to give him Stormbreaker, I think they should have save that for Bill himself). I can see why they wanted to make him more human and show how bad one big event could hurt someone so bad it makes them not themselves anymore but it just ended up going a bit too far like guys I wouldn't make fat jokes about a guy who is an alcoholic and could have a break down at any point.
Oh you're that guy, same pictures as always. Post discarded.
Doom was always the good guy though
Shut up.
>proven wrong
>lets attack the guy instead
You're shit.
I don’t care about that interpretation, I just think it kind of throws his development from Ragnarok and IW out the window. And then he never gets over it, he just fucking bails and gives his responsibility, that he spent a whole movie coming to terms with, over to literally who
>Oh you're that guy.
this is a recurrent topic, the people pro skimpy outfits use as argument that some DC movies and old tv series, and the new "feminist" slutshaming all that because their fat female friends can't wear that in the cons basically
>mfw the underwater quake off the coast of Africa mentioned in the last movie was Moleman fucking around
>mfw he freed Namor and they team up against the FF
user, Doom fanboys have been pushing Docotr Doom as a "misunderstood benevolent dictator" since the 80s.
Not my first rodeo, there's nothing I can't say to him nor him to me that we haven't discussed to death. It's a tired, dumbass subject.
>Not my first rodeo
Ad hominem, bad move.
Overruled.
The prosecution rests, your Honor.
They destroyed reeds richards?
>did the palette swap villain stunt
Its pretty much Marvel's formula to have a newly introduced hero's 1st movie to have a palette swap villain.
That is generally how aliens work in fiction yes.
All Vulcans are logical scientists
All Klingons are angry warriors that carry knives in space
All Hutts are evil gangsters
All Ferengi are scheming capitalists
All Gungans are cartoon character retards
All Rhodians are bounty hunters that worship a bounty hunter god
All Skrulls are evil conquerors that conquer because they are evil
All Daleks are angry killbots that shout exterminate slowly
All Predators are big game hunters with a sense of honor
Whatever that first one you see on screen is, all the rest are too, that's the rule
>traumatized by death of Stormtrooper buddy
He wasn't really. What his saw in that bloody helmet was his own senseless death, fighting for a cause he doesn't believe. He's never shown to have sympathy for the other troopers.
TFA has a fuckton of problems but that wasn't one.
he's a charismatic and watchable dude, so people don't think about it that hard. even though he committed a whole bunch of war crimes and tattooed them on his chest and all. same as all the mysterio fagging going on right now.
>First Avenger
>Thor
>GotG
>Spider-Man: Homecoming
>Captain Marvel
As opposed to...
>Iron Man
>Ant-Man
>Black Panther
>Hulk(?)
I’m willing to forgive Iron Man and Ant-Man, because they had great excuses for it. Tech was the whole focus. I’m pretty sure Black Panther only did it because T’Challa stomps if Killmonger isn’t wearing vibranium too
didn't feige or someone explicity state not all skrulls are good?
based retard
Namor is Namor
It is weird seeing the transformation. When in Phase 1 they were trying to be as close to the source material as possible while modernizing what needed to be modernized.
Phase 3 and 4 seems to be trying as hard a possible to be as different from all older material as they can possibly get.
>development from Ragnarok
His development wasn't to become king, though. He's just thrust into it; he even tells Hela he doesn't want to be king but simply cannot let her be the queen.
Thor's always been more of an adventurous type and turning him king of Asgard would be super boring.
But apparently those monsters were real the whole time. All of them live on monster island: a place the four visited in the first issue.
What's up with that?
That feel when no secret invasion movie ever
That's the problem for almost every movie made after 2016. It has to have a political message fist and foremost, then it has a plot. but political message first!
How else are we supposed to understand orange man bad, red clothing on head bad, walls bad, refugees good, if not for movies constantly telling us over and over and over again?
>Good luck with Phase 4 because they will need
Why would they need more luck than they already have?
>That's the problem for almost every movie made after 2016. It has to have a political message
What the fuck are they going to do if Trump loses next year?
Skrulls make for the perfect major space faction that takes over world horror movie style over flying in with ships and guns blazing. They can take over individual politicians and leaders one at a time until the whole ruling class are skrulls and get to work breaking down any and all defenses a world has and then they take it with relative ease.
Made for a nice contrast from the Shi'Ar gun blazing and Kree super technology doomsday weapons. And makes for a good explanation as to why their empire is just a fucking huge.
it took all of Obama's first term before people finally got the fuck over Bush and quit trying to make him into the villain in all media back in 2009-2012. I expect more of the same
It transitions over to White Man Bad instead of Orange Man, but remain mostly the same only a nebulous concept of a race instead of an individual. Then the forced collective guilt of children in cages thing, and comparing all Americans of 2016 to Nazi Germany for the next 30 or so years.
...I like that. The contrast between two arrogant kings....
It is a foolish phenomenon which needs to end.
It has come to the point where comments like yours make me consider the merits of concentration camps.
Celebrate. A lot.
Many people worldwide will.
Others will not.
>all Americans
Oh no. Just the half of you that knowingly and willingly chose a narcissistic psychopath with no experience and a reputation for being an irresponsible, vain, selfish asshole.
>retcon.jpg
It's not a retcon, it's an alternate continuity. And I, for one, welcome changes to the source material so I can possibly have an individual experience and not just a movie adapted page-for-page from the comics.
Hey, I'll take that over a war with Russia.
Ummm, Hillary lost user. what the fuck world are you living in?
>All Vulcans are Logical Scientists
This is how you can tell if a sci-fi series has become sufficiently developed in the depth of it's lore.
if think all that shit about the middle east in the first iron man had nothing to do with the era it was released in, or the films success, you are officially retarded, chronic victim white boy
Because that was of course inevitable with the blandest centrist in Washington in the White House.
You're so funny! I must call you mr.funny!
>with the blandest centrist in Washington in the White House.
Yes, she looks a reasonable person
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It took plac e in the middle east because Iron Man originally was captured in Vietnam. They just moved things to where the current war is for the same narrative.
But go on and keep pretending you know a single thing about comics in any way, shape or form
Nice
>All Predators are big game hunters with a sense of honor
No longer canon
Doom was always a good guy though.
>Their leader is Morag
Based.
Nah, Fury is going to trust them with everything and give them access to SWORD and NuSHIELD. Carol will also give them access to shit. At one point one of the Skrulls gets their almonds activated and thinks that they can just call more Skrulls and take over Earth. Talos tries to stop them but gets subdued or killed. Then Secret Invasion starts happening.
Shit hits the fan meanwhile the Kree are in Hala watching the events unfold and laughing about it. Somewhere on Earth Old geriatric Steve decides he had enough and dies.
Not calling you a liar but I don’t remember Ronan ever saying the bombers where unmanned?
Name a MCU Kree that isn’t a total cockhead.
Dave the Kree
>There is no feasible way to do Super-Skrull now without him being a lone terrorist from an otherwise peaceful refugee faction
Just like Ronan was a mad cult leader renounced by the Kree leaders who had just signed peace treaties.
The real villain of the first Ironman was the military industrial complex, so I’m not sure what point you are trying to make.
This is stupid
So stupid that Feige should use this plot.
nah, half ass villain that dies mid-end of movie
Giving so much space to Talos and not introducing the Veranke
MCU really stinks
Do you know that only you and Kevin Feige hate Leotards?
What happens?
Did you have any trauma with leotards at college trote?
>Well, not a healing factor that can handle the Infinity Gems, anyway.
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Those fucking MCU writers are really here.
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Its because the skrulls are symbolic of the refugees in Europe, while the Krees represent Colonial Westerners. The Skrulls sneakly enter a society and transforms it within, and by the time you notice its too late. The Kree simply take over other nations, and wanted to the destroy the Skrulls to keep their territories safe, peace keeping like the west (mainly America) does. By blatantly painting one side as bad (save for the women of course) its obvious what side the MCU shills for.
Krees represent Europeans/ Americans
>lol why couldn't he heal from the most powerful weapon in the universe? plot hole
These leotards look spectacular on beautiful athletic women
Too bad the MCU was sold to Disney
Imagine what MCU would be like without Kevin Feige and this SJW Disney agenda
Yeah, believe it or not, random Gamma Guy isn’t gonna heal against the forces of the universe combined into a single weapon.
The skrulls are one the most vile most insidious foes the FF have ever faced. Their complete lack of all life (even for their own often times) mixed with their ability to mix with any society coupled with the ability to absorb memories makes them some the most paranoia inducing enemies. Such wasted potential, and on Captain Marvel, whose only really fought le Super Skrull
Was explicit in captain marvel and far from home
They're going to have to do a retcon to change that.
>and that WAS A BLACK GUY
whose was fought and killed by another black guy, whats your point. If it was Captain America(or any other white protagonist) vs Dindumonger people would be having a hissy fit over it...
He is the immortal HULK motherfuckers
Now I'm sure we will never have Maestro on MCU because he is very bad and children will not like it
Fucking white people are deluded.
The krees represent colonial westerners and skrulls the refugees in Europe, meanwhile Europe are the colonial westerners, yhey invented that shit, but hey they'll save the darkies from the shitfest theyve made of the world i guess.
How do white people represent thwmselves as villains and at once as the saviors of everyone else with a straight face?
The one with the white beard that complimented the black Kree looked like he was chill.
It's a dumb and predictable twist that people see coming like the Mysterio is Evil shit. But these movies are just mindless popcorn flicks and if Feige wanted Secret Invasion he would do it once the Skrulls have Fury's and Carol's trust.
Its all so tiresome
>imagine being this much of a retard
Iron Man origin had the Vietnam war as an integral part it. It couldn't be the same as MCU Iron or else he'd be a literal boomer by the time of our present, the only other major american war that was going on at that time was the war in Iran .
MCU Hulk doesn't even seem to get stronger when he's angrier, let alone have a healing factor.
This is funny to me since the Skrulls are played by mostly white actors while Star Force was played by mostly non-white actors.
What is your argument against though?
lmao
The same way refugees are presented as victims, even though they always commit the atrocities that caused them to leave in the 1st place. Such is the duality of man...
Also im not white you nigger...
He healed from Dormammu murderizing him a few times.
Mar-Vell.
>He is the immortal HULK motherfuckers
Nope.
And please tell me you didn't just get into the Hulk after 'No Surrender'.
>The one with the white beard that complimented the black Kree looked like he was chill.
Bron-Char, who looks a lot better than he did in the comics.
Also, Atlas is a blue Kree. The black Kree are actually white. I don't really get why they didnt make Korath blue to begin with, like he always has been. Did Djimon Hounsou protest?
I doubt it.
The decision was based on Kree being white people but not in the way you make it here. But yes, Kree had to be the evil colonizers because they have an empire of white people.
It's three white, one black, one Asian.
You can stop trying to shoehorn in some Murica-Fuck yea! excuse for Iron Man to fight the evil terrorists. It was 2008 and anything even remotely middle east was irredeemably evil in the eyes of the American consumer. So Afghanistan was there on purpose.
How can you say you're not white and then rapidly assume the other person is black, like you think theres only the two races, like if were fucking white.
Deluded caucasian. There are other races.
Dogs really are better than we are. They don't give a shit if you're a Great Dane or a teacup Yorkie.
>they will need
Oh sorry, all those billions coming in and it's not even from the residuals.
>Making Korath blue
For what purpose? He looked fine as he was. At-Lass definitely didn't though, he looked weird in blue. Bron-Char did look fine.
Weren't there incidents where a Skrull was assassinated doing good work, and suddenly everything goes down the tubes?
It's pretty easy to create an international incident when they start playing behind a false facade. If the person they are impersonating is a high ranking official of any kind, that organization suddenly be a subject ot a slew of questions and possibly delegitimized on the spot.
"How can they be on our side if they aren't even human"
"President X was a Skrull all along, can we really trust what he's done. Are there more in the deep state"
"Baby sitter was really green! Your kids were in the hands of monsters! They were alone with them."
Heck, it's a tabloid or disinformation campaigner's wet dream to have just a sea of green questions.
Yes.
I agree it did indeed roll back his development from Ragnarok and IW, I think this is more of a problem with the writers not knowing what to do with him if he become king. On the subject of Thor and Asgard. imo it kinda suck that Asgard was blown up at the end of Ragnarok because they probably will not be using any of Thor's other foes like Ulik, Mangog etc or even other Asgard related magical items like Norn Stones
I guess MCU Hulk's healing factor is just really weak compared to the comic version.
Yes, the generic as fuck Skrulls would be do much better
>really weak
Has it been shown to exist at all? Getting up after a punch doesn't count, everyone can do that.
Because Korath - like Atlas - was always blue. And, like I said, 'black' Kree are actually white. Or pink, as they say. Introducing Kree who actually are black muddles the issue.
Plus Korath's daughter, Tanalth, could make a good foil for Carol in a future movie. But for that, she needs to be blue.
Fine, can at least call him a sub human ape, im not even trying to be racist, just needlessly insulting...
Fair enough
Nigga i didn't say whether or not the war was justified, just that war it was an integral part to his back story.
Also America is the fucking best you commie, and never forget it.
well, the snap of profesor banner restored their population too
Only in a Deleted scene from the MCU Hulk movie is this Healing Factor shown (though this still happened tho as Bruce talks about it in Marvel's The Avengers) and one other time when he just out of a plane in Thor's 3 film and not die. at least in my mind this counts as a Healing Factor just a weak one.
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Do you work at Marvel studios or something to say this? Because i gonna laugh if evil Skrulls appears on future movies.
Why?
Dude just shut the fuck up.
I'm gonna remember this faggot's whinging when the Skrulls end up betraying the heroes like everyone expects them to.
>Iran
Iraq, you dumb fuck. The Cheeto in chief is going to bumble us into war with Iran, and half the country is so illiterate they'll think "didn't we already invade there 15 years ago?"
>is going to bumble us into war with Iran
you wrong, the Joos and the Bongs are who are pushing for that shitfest, Cheeto is the least bellicist president in the last 50 years, he is also just one step above Bush jr or Reagan in retardation.
DAILY REMINDER:
Kevin Feige Does Nothing Wrong
You miss the point, the message is broken when 1. dinosaurs are vulnerable to gunfire and 2. demonstrably do not get along with humans, so the appropriate response would have been to put them all down no matter what some dumb cloned bitch things.
It wasn’t canon for a while. They still had criminals.
>tfw laughing at the incels in this thread
MCU Talos is a good character, don't see a problem with making Skrulls more sympathetic if they pull it off okay. I liked the twist, who expects a race of shapeshifters to not be sneaky bad guys?
Havne't they already said that the skrulls aren't an entire race of good guys and there's totally going to be shithead skrulls that abuse their powers in the future?
>Hela
>the female one of Thanos’s army
>probably somebody on the SHIELD show
>loyalist Nebula
Same
lmao
>MCU Talos is a good character
My shilling sense is tingling now
Nobody fucking looks like that aside from Instagram bitches and they aren't actresses. So fuck off with this nonsense.
Thise skrulls are refugees. They’re a whole species; we’re still capable of seeing “He Loves You,” religious hardliners.
Again: you don't have a fucking spider sense, Ollie
Better than fucking Malkuith.
Maybe it's just a phase of growth they're going through
And maybe one day Brie Carol Danvers Larson will have that body and suit on the MCU
>E3 Marvel threads
>Namor is the same, except for a preference for brunettes in place of blondes
this, it's just going to make Secret Invasion much more of a twist to the public.
niggas cant into the long game
>Imagine what MCU would be like without Kevin Feige
there wouldnt be an MCU without Kevin Fiege, you literal retard
This. The MCU is finished.
I hope they introduce Danny Devito as Moleman and have the big event after Thanos be Annihilation.
also mads should've been doctor doom and he got fucking wasted on doctor strange like keanu will with eternals
A couple of Skrulls isnt the entire Skrull PLANET
Like Lee Pace was and like Christopher Ecclestone was.
At least they aren’t Tony Stark Employees yet.
What issue is this from? I want to read it.
>Whatever that first one you see on screen is, all the rest are too, that's the rule
This bugs me to no end. Mass Effect is a lot better about the "Planet of Hats" trope. Sure each race has a hat of some kind but there's plenty of individuals that don't follow the stereotypes.
>All Ferengi are scheming capitalists
Rom. Nog. MOOOOGGIIEEEEEE!!. First appearance Ferengi. etc.
He's living in the world where he didn't get suicided by Hildawg.
user, Moogie and Nog ARE scheeming capitalists.
Theyre just a lot more altruistic than your average ferengi.
And Rom was skimming the profits at the bar.
I'll take that bet, retard
imagine being this much of a cuck
>Nobody fucking looks like that aside from Instagram bitches and they aren't actresses
Funny how that excuse only applies for the women...
They just need to build it up. Talos' time on Earth taught him it was a fine planet for his people, and he doesn't want his family or himself to leave. Others follow. They infiltrate quietly and peacefully at first. Assume human identities, live quiet lives, then a few of them start moving into positions of influence to cover any slip ups just in case. After all they're Skrulls, they shouldn't have to hide forever, their children certainly shouldn't. During this time the Skrull Queen arrives, takes charge, starts up Secret Invasion. Talos gets Crusader'd in the end.
>do you think that sort of costume would work on the screen?
such a cope-out, lmao. similar attire is already on the screen and has been on the screen for over decades for millions of people.
Women that show skin are not proper women and are shameful and should all be covered up from head to toe whenever they step outside of the house. Thinking that a woman can wear clothing that shows skin is wrong.
>Kevn Feige Does Everything Wrong
ftfy
I mean, pretty good bet all those actresses are on strict diets and work out a lot to maintain a thin/fit body.
Of course they could change it to build muscle instead but the fact is, there isn't the same expectation of female heroes to be muscular. Hell even most animated female superheroes aren't muscular.
Don't you ever get tired? Always the same gymnast shit.
Who cares about the FF anyway?
>no argument, the post
user, not every person who posts sports in leotards is the same person, despite your paranoia.
>deflection, the post
No honest person can ever say that leotards couldn't work on screen today, millions of people see leotards on screen on a yearly basis.
Even nbcsports has a picture of a black woman in a leotard on their pages, not more than 2 months ago. The argument that "it wouldn't work on screen today" is a complete lie.
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>fantasy races are nuanced individuals rather than carbon copies with the same personality traits
How I wish I could be young and naive again.
Didn't the Skrulls used to be good guys many thousands of years ago after they had enough of being an evil empire and started to uplift and help various species? That is until the Kree, cavemen back then, went full autismo when the Skrulls favored some plant aliens because the Kree were very warmongering? And add to this they stole Skrull technology and then re-purposed it for their own needs?
no because you can still have a skrull society who is filled with fanatics and want to take over for revenge.
>MCU radically altering comic villains
What a shock
>Also implying evil Skrulls still don’t exist
>All Ferengi are scheming capitalists
Nobody ever remembers this poor fuck just because he was in a shitty episode
Feige and Disney do not know they have a planet
Avengers #133
Written by Steve Englehart, Art by Sal Buscema
They have no more Robert Downey Jr, Chris Evans and other actors are leaving
This phase 4 will have gay characters, SJW agenda and many more miscast
DS9 literally ends with all the Ferengi turning into socialists.
fucking delusional
you sound like a lazy fat dyke
And you sound like an imbecile who thinks Liefeld and Cho types can be translated to real life. The difference here is that only one of us is right and I bet it's me.
Shut up please
Oh the cocoa puffs back again folks
>destroyed the greatest villains of Fantastic Four
Who and how?
I think what he meant to say was Disney destroyed the only villain of the Fantastic Four that still hadn't been destroyed already.
>Don't you ever get tired? Always the same gymnast shit.
You and Kevin Feige.have the same problem
You did not grow up watching sports and reading comics
This is why Disney banned the leotards of marvel comics and did not allow leotards on the MCU
Men naked? No problem
Gay in the MCU?
No problem
But women in leotards is strictly prohibited
And you always type
Like this
Never a full paragraph
Nope
Always these short, stilted sentences
I don't know what your deal is
Or what your obsession with the 90's is about
But look at Psylocke in X-Men Apocalypse
She looked
Like shit
And so would anyone
Who would
Put a
Leotard
In an MCU movie
Deal with it
F
A
ggot.
I couldn't understand why you insist, there's nothing wrong in the leotards, all the actress in the MCU have done naked/sex scenes, all the olders and even Angourie Rice or Zendaya, Idk where is the problem to you when there's nothing that we haven't seen already
Nobody cares what Skrulls were like because nobody reads comics
There's nothing wrong with changing things up a little.
You mean by Kirby, Ditko, Romita, etc etc...
>forgetting who actually creates comics
have sex
Thanks
they could easily introduce a bad Skrull with their motivation being this discrimination shit, that seems like the sort of villain the MCU likes to make
Forever alone user always type
Like this
Incel
I hate Leotard
I hate muscle girls
I hate men
I hate fat ass
Have sex
I love Disney
Carol is the best
Queen of co
Yass queen
>space jews are bad
It's 2019 boy.
Literally none of those pictures look like Gamora's costume that you posted.
nice refutation, very intelligent arguments
Lel
really?
That picture is fucking autistic.
Imagine how dumb you have to be to care about aesthetics over everything else.
With the conclusion of Infinity War in Stark's death, and Steve's retirement. I can safely say I no longer have any stock investment in the continuation of the MCU.
>not being interested in Strange, the Guardians and Thor
No one stays for a concert once the band leaves the stage.
I'm not taking any interest until Beta Ray Bill makes his appearance.
Wonder how they will adapt his face because little girls will be scared by a face like this.
They are gonna have to "Beastly" him up to bring in little girls you mean.
>Elektra
>Norman
>Black Cat
None of those were even Feige, moron.
Why did Disney depict them as victimized refugees? They're shape shifting invaders. Their powers relies on deception. It's sinister at its core. That's why Skrulls are villains and have the powers to match.
Better question:
Why does everyone pretend like they can never be used as villains going forward?
What person that was a victim in one mcu movie have you seen turn villain in another?
this is a fucking joke
>It hasn't been done yet, therefore it can't be done
Also, the Skrulls aren't "a person" they're a race. I'm not saying that Talos himself is going to be a bad guy. But they're clearly setting the Skrulls up to be recurring, so there's nothing saying that there can't be a group of them who infiltrates earth.
does super skrull have mr. fantastic's powers? because skrulls can shapeshift already.
>I guess MCU Hulk's healing factor is just really weak compared to the comic version.
the endgame writers said they did not know that Hulk had a healing factor
>the endgame writers said they did not know that Hulk had a healing factor
Has to be bullshit
Even if that's true and they go that route, it'll be
>there are good skrulls and bad skurlls, just because this extremist faction is a danger, it doesn't mean they're all bad
and not
>murderous manipulating alien assassin shapeshifter commandoes, got to hunt them down
But user, they aren't Doom
True. Just look at your team. While their *classes* are stereotypical, the personalities of the xenos you hire tend to be subversions of the standard.
>Liara is an asari biotic who is naive and bookish
>Garrus is a turian soldier who doesn't play by the rules
>Wrex is a krogan mercenary who is thoughtful and introspective
And so on.
>there are good skrulls and bad skurlls, just because this extremist faction is a danger, it doesn't mean they're all bad
So what ... why is this a problem?
Because the other approach is cooler. Nuance stands in the way of coolness. I don't disagree with the message in itself, but focusing on that, as opposed to the alternative makes for a less funky story.
MCU, Sony and Fox
games, movies and tv
a huge piece of shit
Not only this
Feige is only hiring skinny and sexless women
Who's going to watch these movies now?
I can't wait for the people crying about the Skrull shown so far to get ass-blasted when they introduce that Skrull divide in full, giving you goons your precious Super Skrull, and y'all STILL whine and moan about it even though it was already a thing. Read more, be it the actual comics or at the very least the rest of the damn wiki page lmao
>lmao
Yikes.
He's always been a good guy
>Norman
>Elektra
>Black Cat
As far as I know, those have nothing to do with Kevin Feige and While I would have preferred a more Comic Accurate Valkyre. MCU version is fine by me since I thought she was pretty cool in Thor: Ragnarok. can't really speak on the other two.
Well that explains about now doesn't it.
This
Yes. Skrulls shape-shift but with Reed's powers he is a lot more agile than a regular skrull and can use the power like a trip wire to dice shit up.
He is kind of like Flash's bad guys where he is stupidly OP when written competently but uses his powers in the most generic of ways 80% of the time.
name another shared universe that has taken off
there's always going to be new generations coming to see this, and there's an entire universe left to adapt
Hey now it can always be worse
>MCU's Valkyriee is fine by me since I thought she was pretty cool in Thor: Ragnarok
for all i gathered and cared, that flashback in T:R explained that the comic's Valkyrie died protecting Jackie Cook and so she inherited the role