So Kurt Busiek said he prefers the old Ms Marvel costume...

on one hand, 'how does he put it on, exactly?' is a question well worth asking yourself when you design a character
on the other hand, cosplayers don't need to be pandered to. they're ingenious enough to find a workaround.

smells like Yea Forums

KSDs argument is just fucking shilling

KSD is hardly an unbiased source since she was the main writer during the push for the MCU version of Carol. Of course she is going to tow the company line. But given how her version is barely doing well, they'll probably reboot Carol back to the previous costume after the MCU is done with her.

I like this.

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in the case of Carol her costume is part of her powerset. She just cosmic powers it on

>But given how her version is barely doing well,
>literally the second best-selling solo book of the year

that show did a great Carol

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oh, that's all right then.
carol's is at least less inexplicable than most. a lot of heroes, you wonder how they go to the bathroom.

Where? When? I literally have seen her in the top ten maybe once this year, hulk spiderman routeinly outsell her as well as kamala

Currently it's hovering near cancellation level.

>that little bit of hip squish around the costume
UNF

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Tbh the original costume is pretty boring, the colors of the new appeal to me more.

Being down to 26K after five issues isn't that great of a solo

you don't know sales numbers do you? That's right on track with Iron Man and Captain America

It's selling over 25k, get fresher memes casualgater.

>after the MCU is done with her
That could last a decade.

Swimsuit is her "personal" costume, what she would use is it depended only on her choice.

Current is her "uniform", what she uses because she has a rank, representing institutions and being a public figure.
See how she changed her costume back when she became US Superhuman Affairs Security Head(or whatever it was) back in Busiek's run.

Were she step down from the position, or find herself in a situation where she can wear whatever she wants, she'd likely go back to the swimsuit or some variant of it

No you dumb fuck, she hates the swimsuit. She only wore it because Janet made it for her. She said as much to Spider-Woman.
Try actually reading comics.

Don't you have a Tuesday samefag thread to get your multiple IPs ready for, Carolfag?

Captain America is doing 10K better than Captain Marvel and that's with a guy from outside comics writing him.

I'll give you Iron Man. Him, Carol and Doctor Strange all seem to be in that cluster of big mainstream characters that can barely move their own comics.

once you learn how math worth, sure.
>made it
designed it maybe but she uses her powers to put it on

I thought she liked it in her initial appearances with it. Considering a big part of her character was wanting recognition it makes a lot of sense she’d appreciate a costume that would show off her form to the passers by.

oh my bad, I was thinking Black Panther...which is doing far worse than I last checked, just 20k now

costumes should be dumb, superheroes are dumb
KSD is spazzzzzing out

Looks like Symbiote Spider-Man has edged her out too
#3 still
1 Detective Comics 1000 $9.99 03/27/19 DC 574,279
2 DCeased 1 $3.99 05/01/19 DC 242,365
3 War of Realms 1 $5.99 04/03/19 Marvel 191,118
4 Symbiote Spider-Man 1 $4.99 04/10/19 Marvel 168,610
5 Captain Marvel 1 $4.99 01/09/19 Marvel 136,080

>those price points
No wonder comics are dying, is this just a list of number ones sold this year or best selling comics of 2019?

I actually like this costume better since it's more balanced and appropiate: But for argument sake I have to agree with KSD for this. It really didn't make her stand out more as time goes by, and the more people obsessed with the classic look rather than not think about the look of today. Kurt is still talking about what it did in the 70's, but don't think how it would stand in the modern era if this costume is constantly being used for her breasts and butt showing as it has been done many times and as such never took the character seriously

It's a classic suit sure, but would it really work in the modern day era? No it will not. It's not the old days any more and we need to think more seriously of today

>how math worth
>math worth
Proof that MarLEL fans have ZERO intelligence.

>the modern era if this costume is constantly being used for her breasts and butt showing
that era is passed user

>No you dumb fuck, she hates the swimsuit. She only wore it because Janet made it for her. She said as much to Spider-Woman.
>Try actually reading comics.

Try reading comics yourself newfag.

What’s the sales numbers for her second issue?

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>seething that Carol is the undisputed queen of Yea Forums
Sad!

>I'm sorry to have made this A Thing.

Why did she make it a thing? Busiek gave the most rational opinion possible and didn't shit on her new one at all. He even said he doesn't think it fits her anymore.

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less of a drop than Coates Black Panther, but Yea Forums doesn't bitch endlessly about that

If she had pants and not the thigh highs + swimsuit bottom it’d be a lot better

KSD is crazy, she needs drama hence why she's married to Fraction

I dunno I think co bitched about them equally it’s just that BPs fan base (or shills) doesn’t seem to be quite as insufferable (or at least easy to bait)

Their discussion is oddly tame for a twitter beef.

Kind of nice, actually.

Carol is the queen of Yea Forums so incel contrarians from Yea Forums and casualgate bitch more about her.
They're friends, no real beef.

The black Ms Marvel suit is the better costume. It is a stronger design with better balance and structure. Her Captain Marvel suit is like a crooked tile, it's a bit off (partly because they didn't adjust it for the near permanent removal of the mask/helmet).

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>it's for a different time
>it's not for today
SJWS are a bunch of group-think cultists that actively work to punish heterosexuality and displays of feminine beauty or sensuality. KSD's newspeak is nothing more than an emergence of archaic puritanism virtue-signaling about so-called "progressive" ideals, where showing displays of female skin is bad because [ham-fisted reason] and where forms of female perfection cannot be at the center of anything because [more ham-fisted reasons]. Showing skin on Carol is "old-fashioned", and now full body suits, or making all the women wear shirts and pants while multiple male characters are still topless or have a lot of scenes depicting their innate physical perfection, are "the new thing". It's a shitty attempt at circular social conditioning on a consumerist scale and KSD deserves to be laughed at in every way .

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Nah, the McKelvie costume is way better, especially after the Anka tweaks. The black suit just doesn't make sense for her at all.

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It always made her looks stronger too. I know I am cheating by using Frank Cho but this costume just shows off her strength better, like it did in Starjammers and X-Men

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That's de la Torre, not Cho. Please read comics.

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It doesn’t make any sense for what KSD has been turning the character into. It makes a lot of sense for who she was prior to her being given the captain marvelmoniker. She was desperately to be loved and recognized by the populace but also hated people. She was terrified of being forgotten but would do things she hoped no one would find out about, she was a recovering alcoholic yet an unapologetic badass. It’s like they’re trying to remove every negative character trait to turn her into this bland nick fury Superman hybrid which is a shame since her character was great in her own right

well then I got confused, I have read all of Reeds run of Carol though

iTz FoR aN oLdEr TiMe
diS nOt dA oLd dAyZ
diS iZ a mOdErn eRa
mOvE oN

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That's ok, as long as you acknowledge the McKelvie costume is better.

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ever move around in a full body suit? It's taxing over time, and constant physical tasks will have you sweating like a pig. her current costume makes zero sense, especially considering her powerset and durability.

>t. has never read a carol comic
KSD hasn't even written Carol in half a decade casualgater

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all that stuff is back with KTs version. She referenced Avengers 200, Stohl had her reestablish the mentor relationship she had with Tony, and Slotts is going to have Tony come to her about drinking again. Looks like she will be the AA sponsor now

nope, just gunna have to fly you out of the thread

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Good thing Carol is a superhero then
Excused for posting carolnat

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I like all of them
OP and Cunt Buseik can eat my shit.

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thanks friend

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ahem...reprinted, I think twice now

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I like the black leotard because it's so striking. Also if we're talking cosplay, it's way more cosplay friendly.

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Fucking slavecunts

KSD is a fatso who Envies leotard heroes for she will never fit in one of those, thus she lives to make their lives a complete hell.

but god forbid, it shows more skin than people going to the beach! Hell, during summer most people wear less than this

Fuck KSD. That bitch can't write anything beyond ''muh feminism''. Also, the original is better, it's sexy yet shows character and determination. You think a strong woman who isn't sure of herself wouldn't wear that costume?

Those aren’t sales numbers user those are reprints that coincide with the release of endgame

Her runs on Carol five years ago and her run on Aquaman now isn't "muh feminism". Her Captain Marvel run was all about the cat, and her Aquaman run so far has just been all about the amnesia trope she likes so much.
Both of them are bad, don't get me wrong, but there's nothing really feminist about either.

reprinted cause stores wanted more copies. so all the numbers you fling are low balling it, whats hard to understand?

Her Aquaman run is also near cancellation level. DC editorial was absolutely insane to fire Abnett for her.

Yes stores wanted them, carol has no history of editorial artificially pushing her because they didn’t have the film rights to there actual popular female characters. Give it a few months, she’ll probably get another push like that when Disney plus drops and they post her movie

>fire Abnett
pretty sure his story arc just ran it's course and he was done. It was a good run though

Good. I really loved the Aquaman books from the start of the New52 up until she got hired. Abnett's book was doing interesting things into making Atlantis feel more like living city like Gotham or Metropolis and KSD's run dropped that ball HARD.

>It was a good run though
That's exactly why it hurts.

t. Fagtion

>after five issues

>Tony Stark Iron Man #5 40,730
>Doctor Strange #5 31,890
>Captain Marvel #5 26,086

Exposed muscle always makes characters look stronger. Just look at the Hulk.

Leotards are not awesome and badass you incel. They are not cool. They look dumb and stupid. It may work in the 70's, but not today because of how stupid it was handled and made before the update

Understand what year this is and make sense of it rather than just say dumb shit that won't really mean anything and end up being just whiney

The short hair was fine but a lot times some artists would draw pretty bad.

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t. woman afraid to go to the beach

I prefer the old one. New one falls into the millennial trap of overdesigning everything like you’re making a video game and not a comic, too many small details that turn to mush when you have to draw the character tiny in a scene.

KSD is an almost 50 year old woman trying to look and act like an annoying art thot 25 years her junior. She's wrong by default.

How about you people show some pics of leotards that look awesome and badass. If you have any that is

The old leotard design was for pure reasons. It's great!
The KSD era Captain Marvel design is politically motivated. It's conjured out of a damaged mind. It's trash.

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What’s KSD problem anyways?

Yeah, I don't think many of these "I'm so feminist" types get that 90% of the girls cosplaying at conventions want attention on them for being sexy which is why they go for Ms. Marvel, Poison Ivy, Slave Leia, Black Widow, Suicide Squad Harley and Yoko from TTGL so often more than they go for, say, Batgirl's jacket costume or current Spider-Woman.

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KSD is such a boring party pooper. Busiek didn't say anything bad about modern Carol's design, but of course he still needs to be called out publicly for daring to like something she doesn't

Most feminists would just say those girls have internalized misogyny or are being somehow exploited by some man.

>unironic ITS CURRENT YEAR argument
I thought that was a meme.

Not an example. It just looks dumb. Try again

not an argument, fuck off

>damage control after being proven wrong

>But for argument sake
Why does there need to be an argument?

>Her runs on Carol five years ago and her run on Aquaman now isn't "muh feminism"
She had Carol time travel to meet an all female combat unit in WW2, a thing that obviously didn't exist ever. it was muh feminism to a absurd degree.

of course Im on Kurt Busiek's side. It's a more iconic and striking look.

I'm sure there's a way to modernize the suit without becoming the generic, bland Captain Marvel suit.

>all female combat unit in WW2
what nation? cause Russia and a few other countries had them

>meet an all female combat unit in WW2
Why not try to fake a modern all female combat unit? Or at least have an all female French or Polish resistance cell?

>Leotards are not awesome and badass you incel. They are not cool. They look dumb and stupid
get a load of this faggot.

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"murrica iirc

LOSE WEIGHT LAND WHALE!
Only Slavecunts and Onions Cattle are weak enough to say that in to your fat face bitch!

But nooooooooo...

>KSD is a fatso who Envies leotard heroes for she will never fit in one of those
this right here. women are so competitive for positive attention that they see fictional characters as threats.

cringe and bluepilled

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I think the Lightning bolt on Black is much more striking than her star of Hala on a flightsuit look. Its more her, not even Kamala could make the emblem hers.

>Its more her
it's a middle finger to DC, and I love it.

Any Woman can be beautiful, make some exercises, an academy to become HOT, but no...

Go busiek. Seriously can KSD not take it well that another professional in the industry has his own opinion and preferences.

Agreed. Personally I'd like to the EMH costume with Captain Carols color layout. That would be a great compromise fusion.

Yes. It can work. You just need to stop thinking in the the terms of practical/tacticool and possibly sex negativity towards women showing off their bodies, and just enjoy some nice superheroine fun with a little fanservice. It's this kind of sex negativity that's ruining and destroying she-hulk right now. Chill out and stop being a prude.

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Professional athletes still, to this day, use leotards in prestigious international and community-based sporting events both off and on millions of televisions.
>it wouldn't work today
spoken like a 500lb fatass who can't put on things like that herself and so claims that nobody else should wear it today because its "dumb, stupid, and not for today".

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It was a group of WASPs, which definitely did exist, you moron.

Carol isn't a professional athlete.

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>Brie Larson gif
Jesus.

There was a token black chick

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being military she had to train like one. She had to go through the ringer even before she got powers

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Carol is, Brie Larson isn't.

Look up any wrestling match (Olympic style not the WWE kind) to see what women can look like in leotards and not be sexualized. You’re arguement for not having it seems to be just you wanting her to look bland as fuck and try to be the next superman (I say that because it does sound better than her being the 7th captain marvel) rather than let her own her original look.

That's the Battleworld group, there wasn't a black woman in the 616 arc.
Please read comics.

Good lord I hate modern internet discourse. Watching Busiek have to restate his stance over and over again while people gave their opinions on the classic suit was nerve-wracking.

Also, I'm so fucking tired of that "it wouldn't work for today" argument. How can they not realize how meaningless that statement is in a universe where androids were invented before the first cellphones?

Obviously the universe is going to reflect whatever trends are current, but at the end of the day you have to accept it's a different universe with different standards for fashion, technology, everything. The more you try to chain it to fleeting "modern" standards, the more you dilute what makes it interesting in the first place.

Superhero work is FAR closer to sports/athletic endeavors, especially to pro wrestling, than it is to military combat. Leotards are more thematically appropriate than "tacticool", that's why everyone makes fun of 90's pouch-men. They're not keeping anything inside all those utility belts because guns are a joke when yourself and/or most of your opponents have a tank powerset.

I suppose it is, but the lightning is different from Billy's so it works for her. Heck,make the flightsuit all black with some red highlights and the lightning emblem could work for current carol.

Somehow a lot of people ended up in comics that don't understand or appreciate striking visuals, and not just writers

The EMH outfit really is the best by such a degree that it makes the whole conversation an exercise in absurdity.

The scarf is the best part because it evokes her pilot roots while also suggesting the idea of a cape without being one since capes can often strike people as corny. At the VERY least I'd like the Captain costume better if it was red with black shoulders like this instead of blue with red shoulders.

Yeah, this is seriously a problem in the 2010's. A lot of designs just go with realism and they end up looking unmemorable.

>…so if I were writing CAPTAIN MARVEL these days, I’d introduce a new character in that costume, or something substantially like it. Dave also designed some variants of it that ran in a MsM lettercol, and I’d use those, too.

I love this idea. I'd probably see if we could get Karla semi-reform to try going antiheroine again and have her appropriate the costume and the Warbird identity as an F-you to carol, but having a entirely new character take the costume and name could work and be good too.

oh wow a wild tumblrite

New costume is ass, not even as good as the original Captain Marvel costume, which I assume they didn't go with because it too closely resembles one of the Incredibles.

The black and yellow leotard was perfectly fine until fanservice artists pushed it too far with it becoming crotch and ass flsoss.

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Both on a meta level and in character, the black suit is from of a period where Carol was establishing her own identity to be seen as, independent and not tied to her past, a woman, powerful. She was defined by her connection to the military/Mar-Vell in the past and was designed away from them deliberately as a proactive movement to be more her own person rather than an elevated supporting character. Design wise the structure of the suit, the heeled high-cut boots, the long gloves in combination with the bare shoulders, etc., were all expressions of feminine power. The suit is there to express not just a powerful figure, but a powerful womanly figure. Her work in her civilian life (and influences on the character at the time) was personally/politically aligned with empowering women and seeing women be powerful as women. The costume is a theatrical expression of that philosophy.

The Captain Marvel suit is an expression of modern Carol, again both the creative forces and arguably in character. Carol/Marvel wants her to be liked, accepted, by the general public-Earth's greatest hero. And couldn't do that as Ms. Marvel because she was too offensively feminine. Her design was built around being a powerful woman more than a powerful individual, which limited her appeal. Traded her personal direction and feminine power for perceived external approval and broader acceptance. Replaced her name for a direct legacy with greater weight than her own, given a more conservative and neutral costume/design that the general public would find less objectionable. Just as the black suit is feminine in design, the Captain suit is more neutral(even masculine) in its structure. In part from both the military influences and from the Marv legacy.

Frankly, the thing that drives a person to remake themselves for the approval of others is very Carol. Also neither of them are the boring armored warbird suit, so they have that going for them.

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HOT TAKE: Her modern costume is the first time she had a costume that wasn't total ass.
Mar-vell era costume: What the fuck is that?
Warbird era costume: Like something from a superhero RPG book, like flip to page 56 for blaster hero stats and boom, there she is.
Modern Carol: Serious military bitch.
You can actually tell something about Carol from her modern costume.
Kurt just looks like a sad old liberal trying his hardest to defend his fap fuel. God help him is any of his friends bring up Silverclaw's costume. He'd probably have to lash himself in penance.

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>red and blue pastels
>serious military bitch

She dresses like a discount Superman.

>what side are you on?
Do we need to be? They both have different opinions and Busiek is pretty level-headed and nuanced about it.

Can't say I know much about Carol , but from just a visual perspective, all three costumes do a great job at showing different points of progression in her superhero career, at least that's the impression I'm getting.

At the very least, all of Carol's costumes are better than the unused designs Busiek also posted.

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>BUT
>
>that he hated how later artists made her ass and titties spill out of it and focused on her ass
>
>AND
>
>that it isn't right for Carol as she is right now.
Sounds like damage control to me.

There was a token Japanese girl

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>on one hand, 'how does he put it on, exactly?' is a question well worth asking yourself when you design a character
No it isnt? Why would you think that?
One of the most iconic character designs of all time breaks every rule of realism by shifting Mickie’s Ears all over his skull. Great character design doesnt have to fit into our worlds rules, and unless getting into the costume is relevant to the story then its irrelevant as a detail.

Best Carol yet, in any medium so far.

Better than a discount nothing. What the fuck were they thinking with Warbird?

"She um...needs hooker boots and a leotard and this lightning bolt because...well she shoots energy...oh and she flies so she has this sash that flutters...and a domino mask because superhero I guess?"

She looks like the example character of a Mutants and Masterminds players guide.

Compared to the sci-fi militaries of the setting, yes. Star Trek had colorful paramilities and it worked.

Kurt came off as totally whipped. Like Bernie Sanders slowly realizing he to has to check his privilege against younger and more radical leftists.

That's because it was damage control.

>we need to think more seriously of today
I used to think that to. This is why the old roll their eyes at the young.
No by all means, we just sat around not changing anything until this just now recent new generation got woke and told us what for. Thank god you kids slapped us awake because no one literally did anything but follow the rules handed down from ancient american times and we never even considered “progression” as an option. What a concept!

At that point she should just wear cargo pants and a tank top with a pony tail and bitchen sunglasses.
Im not being facetious, I think this would be a great look for Carol. Its the quintessential action movie woman uniform and I think they could make that work.

I'm neutral towards the costume, I just hate her short hair look and the helmet.

You totally missed the point of Warbird. She was having a big come down from being Binary and went into being an alcoholic. The costume was ment to show her trying to make up for her loss of powers by over compensating on armour

No, the Coipel design was after Busiek had left. Casualgaters don't read comics I guess.

The toughts of a well adjusted person.

Kelly Thompson liked his post too.

Again....like EMH?

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Warbird was in Busieks run

On Amazon the (first) Vol 1 of the KSD run is a top seller

blue hair dye tumblrina whale detected.

The hivemind of NPCs tend to fall in line with each other eventually.

What's the difference between the Coipel design and the Warbird design?

Wasn't the whole reason for her having the black costume and the bolt, at least in universe, that she wanted to distance herself from Mar-Vell and his look? That she wanted to be more human than Kree?

Busiek has to tip toe in that interaction otherwise he will lose progressive points and unpersoned.

How is that remotely what I described?

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Coates BP is so boring that no one here is bothering with it, not to mention BPfags don't make endless threads about BP or try to overpower discussion that have nothing to do with BP with BP.

And I say this as a Carolfag myself.

>Coates
Coates anything = Amanat's pet.

Eh sorry. I was trying to find a better civie EMH picture but that is the best i found. She did wear something like you described but with the coat.

Not the armored look, that was Johns.
Some people call the Coipel design Warbird because of its reappearance in Reed's run.

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She's wearing cargo pants and has a ponytail in that outfit?

Get a load of this shit, she's saying that women wearing leotard hasn't ended well for them. No KSD you and your ilk have vilified women wanting to dress scantily.

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You mean this?

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No matter how progressive and woke you think you are, there's no end point to the ideology. They will eventually progress past a point you're comfortable with, and keep going further away. You will struggle to keep up, struggle to maintain the appearance that you still believe, for fear they will cancel you.

In his case, his Avengers has a lot of cheesecake costumes that would get him in trouble if he tries to defend them now, but also has an affirmative action story he probably hopes they never find out about.

I've been playing with that idea, especially since I like the Mckelvie outfit (Anka's not so much) and the long hair plus+domino mask combo is also something I like.

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Alright. I'll admit being wrong. Read them both and guess i got confused on where the costume showed up. I do agree that it is ass, but it does make sense for Carol trying to compensate for her power loss. Sometimes shitty costumes are good ways to show character growth or defining character attributes. Like when Kitty shows up with a new costume and it's shit its just a great gag

>affirmative action
Would have thought this would be positively received by progressives, no?

I don't know why you think that story was against affirmative action but it definitely wasn't.

This one was the best. It went downhill from there.

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>hasn't ended well for them
What is she talking about?

Except you know she doesn't edit any of his books. Wil Moss has been his editor for BP from the beginning. And Brevoort is on Captain America.

You know why he gets these books? Because he is cheap and doesn't care about the money. More seasoned creators are considered too expensive in the current industry.

Fair enough
I cant see pants in that pic, and wheres my sunglasses and tank top?
The tanktop is the main seller of the uniform. Big baggy pants juxtaposed against the small but strong frame of a woman in a tank top is classic bad ass

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Good question, it's gibberish.
>she doesn't edit any of his books.
He broke in to Marvel as her kind of informal understudy, ironic as for the fact she comes from a background as a failed editor of an indie publishing house.

So just make a change to the flight suit? I mean i would like it but it really doesn't seem to fit the flashy superhero world. Superheros are supposed to be bright and flashy and eye catching.

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This would be a good look.

This. The conversation was Busiek taking the knee and going "I-It was f-fair for its t-time! I-I didn't mean for them to g-get so s-slutty with it!"

He cucked like Bernie Sanders to those black kids that stole his speech.

Literally her worst costume. It's the Halloween thot version of Mar-Vell's costume. It's disgraceful to Marv's legacy.

...So come to think of it, it DOES work for Carol...

Has she ever worn thigh highs?
Does it not end well for athletes?

She's always been batshit and comes off as batshit just by looking at her. After watching Captain Marvel with some friends, one of them brought her cameo up and not because they knew who she was but because they saw an angry lady with obnoxiously bright red hair giving an angry crazy look at Carol. She almost expected Carol to just punch KSD and for her to be revealed as the Skrull.

It's progressive right think communicated through the lens of gibberish babble, highly amusing.

I thought it was making fun of that kind of woman for looking at Carol as if Carol were the one dressed strangely.

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God what an unmemorable and boring story. None of these characters even came back or mattered in the long run anyway.

WTF is wrong with KSD's face?

So much sex negativity. Somebody needs to tell KSD that plenty of women like looking sexy and cosplay in sexy costumes. And if she's trying to say something like "cosplayers who wear leototards and thigh highs get molested" with that "hasn't ended well" line, that sounds like victim-blaming and slut-shaming to me.

Remember when feminism wanted to sexually empower women instead of adopting the conservative prude position of "women shouldn't dress sexy because men will lust after them"

It's called being old user, she's probably reaching her 60's.

A story about the Avengers having an all-white lineup and getting a black guy forced onto the team, a guy they don't want or need, who adds nothing to the group, purely for representation purposes? Written in response to IRL demands for a more diverse team? Go ask Twitter or Tumblr what they think of it.

Yea but if she cant be sexy, bright, and flashy, then I think she should be badass take no nonsense, aint got no time for costumes military carol.
Id like that character progression over a mary sue that somehow still fucks up. Cant even do that right.

Damn, she old.

Isn't that how Falcon got on the team in the first place back in the 80s?

Is that why they replaced it with Anka's redesign?

>Isn't that how Falcon got on the team in the first place back in the 80s?
Yes, he took Hawkeye's job.

Yes but I think it's also why he wanted to quit too because he didn't want to be the token black guy. Steve just wanted him to be with the Avengers because he likes him. But Sam has always been self-conscious about that shit.

Hahaha that's hilarious Busiek better hope the s-oy outrage mob don't find out about that.

Imagine being so ignorant you think fucking Ta-Nehisi Coates needed Sana Amanat's help getting a Marvel gig

It was a little cringy but there is nothing to be outraged about. The Avenger wanted racial diversity they just didn't trust the new guy and it turns out they were right. The people behind him were inserting him to be a mole

Ehhh...ya twitter mob would be all over that now that i say it

>think fucking Ta-Nehisi Coates needed Sana Amanat's help
Beg your pardon honorable lord of 4chin I misread your post as Cates as in Donny not Coates.
No obviously Coates has black privilege and therefore immense power levels with marlel.

It gets worse. He was unaware, but Triathlon's powers were literally stolen from a white man, and he was part of a religious cult that he didn't know were actually villains.

I just want to know if Creature Of The Night 4 will EVER be released...

>The Avenger wanted racial diversity
They wanted to be a best of the best meritocracy, but they had an angry mob at the gates demanding representation. Every existing non-white Avenger was unavailable or refused to return to the team just to appease the mob, so they recruited Triathlon.

They still wanted representation. That was better shown when they defended Mutants being on the team.

What are you talking about? The only contact they had was his interview for a news piece. Marvel under Axel Alonso the guy responsible for Hudlin's BP reached out. You don't have to see your personal boogeymen to how it happened.

I'm talking about Cates not Coates it's up thread.

Busiek has already low-key apologized for Triathlon on twitter.

He's yet to be confronted with Silverclaw afaik. Probably because Pacific Islanders aren't very high on the diversity stack.

Thinking about the time the government made the Avengers have Falcon on the team for diversity and everyone, including Falcon, hated it

When it first came out, how about the next volumes?

KSD came into my store today. she wanted to speak with the manager

She's 48

She looks even more like that these days.

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this is good

the Captain Marvel suit is trash. It's like a generic superhero outfit that came out of some DC comic

she's literally a 50 year old post war boomer who dresses like she thinks she's in college.

Look incels, you either agree with me 100% or you are an evil misogynist racist asshole and I will destroy your life, ruin your career, and have you kicked out of your home!

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Oh, I was just kind of thinking she had some sort of illness or a vegan.

This cover reminds me of something.

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I like it too.
I do like seeing fusions of her old and new costumes too because they look nice.

why can't it be both?

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terrible taste

He's right, originally it wasn't supposed to an overly sexualized thong like what later artists were doing with it and what Yea Forums likes to jackoff to.

>A nose ring on someone older than 20.

Jesus Christ how ill-advised. And her obnoxiously red hair is showing roots. And her problem glasses aren't doing her eyes any favors.

She isn't, Zatanna is.

It was. The key is the long hair.
Anka is a sjw and gay, so of course editorial did replace her best new design with his redesign.

Not that user but hat's was not his point retard.

It's always the men fault with them.

Sup Kelly

That's because it was an elseworld inside a big company event. ractically 90% of the elseworlds that appeared on Secret Wars didn't mattered in the lung run.

It's perfectly acceptable for women to dress sexy, it's just not ok for men to like it.

>Silverclaw

What's there to apologize for with Silverclaw?

>They wanted to be a best of the best meritocracy

Really explains people like D-Man, doesn't it?

Oh look, someone who doesn't know jackshit what he is talking about. Have a you, motherfucker.

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Which character design are you talking about?

see

>Everyone who doesn't agree with me is a casualgater
It's fucking not. Are a fucking landwhale or something?

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>Casualgaters don't read comics I guess

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Then why not use characters already associated with Carol other than make OCs? A lot of the stories that didn't matter in the long run were enjoyable and memorable. KSD's story was neither.

This was made by that redhead Russian jewgirl who is always REEEEEEing at people who confuse pale Jews with darker skin tone jews. A psycho but she looks kind of cute.

I am not defending her, in fact fuck her and her prudish attitude, but Carol has not many characters associated to her and her lore that aren't established characters already like Captain Marvel, Rogue or Mystique.

give Matt his balls back pls

What I am saying is that if the story was boring it was because KSD being a sht writer and Carol for being a boring character too.

you really don't need a ton unless you are in every book like Spider-Man or Batman. All you need are some characters that keep coming back and those are Rogue, Mystique, Spider-Woman and The Brood

Being Fagtion must be suffering.

>All you need are some characters that keep coming back and those are Rogue, Mystique, Spider-Woman and The Brood
Outside of the Brood, Spider-Woman is usually associated with the Avengers and Rogue and Mystique with the X-Men. Again, she has no supporting characters whatsoever.

>Outside of the Brood, Spider-Woman is usually associated with the Avengers and Rogue and Mystique with the X-Men.
>outside a bunch of character she has no supporting cast
what even is this post?

I always preferred the original red/blue costume the most. Moonstone's variant at the end of Reed's run looked pretty good, too.

Can't you not read or something? Telling me ''yeah well this character who is heavily associated with this group is part of her supporting cast'' is not a good answer. That's like say ''Supes is part of Dick Grayson supporting cast because of the Nightwing name''.

I mean, really? Go tell people who they associate Rogue or Mystique with and they will tell you ''with the X-Men/the mutants''. not with Carol.

it's part of the shared universe. Dick has no supporting cast unless you tie them to Batman orTeen Titans, which has been completely severed lately.

No it isn't. It was literally created as an homage to Billy. She even wears a Captain Marvel t-shirt in an issue of X-Men.

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>Kurt came off as totally whipped. Like Bernie Sanders
If you imply on social media that anything's changed in how the big 2 hire writers or who they hire he will relentlessly correct the record and insist we've always been at war with eastasia.

She has no support cast or villains that aren't more closely associated with different franchises.

Dick had his own supporting cast in both the old Nightwing run, Grayson, and the new Nightwing run.

There. I fixed it. What do I win?

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She screams daddy issues.

yeah, that's nice.
In the end, she often don't even bother with the helmet\full mask anyway

And the sash gives a nice callback and helps making it feels more personal.
Either a sash or a scarf, but with a full-body costume the sash is IMHO better(she's not a Japanese hero, after all)

I'm not totally sold on the color for the domino mask: I'm utter shit at graphic, would be possible to see variations with the mask ion black or blue?

I also think she should replace the Hala star: she's a soldier of the USA, she shouldn't wear an enemy insigna.
I understand why they likely put a veto on the lightning, wanting to separate themselves from DC's Captain Marvel

only the leader of the cult, obviously a bearded white old man, was the villain, everybody else was ignorant and thinking they were doing good

>>They still wanted representation
they didn't even THOUGHT about representation. Also, them having muties and gyppos in the ranks was completely dismissed.

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>Really explains people like D-Man, doesn't it?
In fairness, D-Man joined at a time when the Avengers had disbanded, and Captain America was trying to rebuild the team with whoever he could get. It was a completely different context to them already having a full roster and facing public demand to chance the lineup.

This is a man of taste.

SERIOUS QUESTION: Why does KSD think she owns the character?

Her run is literally the lowest selling in the character's entire history. And not only that, it's the lowest selling run on a major character that Marvel has EVER published.

If anything, KSD has the LEAST claim to the character of anyone that ever wrote it.

change star to lightning, add domino mask

also cut the arms off into a holter top while also cutting out crotch cuts for the legs and finally some thigh-high boots and arm hugging long gloves

Already exist. The costume Captain Marvel wore in Endgame was a clear inspiration from Avengers: EMH. The design itself almost matched the cartoon version of it

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I like this

It doesn't matter what her outfit is; I'm not gonna see her taking it off so what's the point?

She's largely the only well-known writer for Carol since the character was revamped and is pretty aggressive at marketing herself at THE Carol writer. Plus what else does she have going for her? Bitch Planet fizzled out 2 years ago after 10 issues and Pretty Deadly has been on hiatus for 3 years now.

>lowest selling run on a major character that Marvel has EVER published.
user, Storm was selling half of what Carol did during the same time.

spotted the fat jealous hatefilled landwhale.

>what side are you on?

I'm on the, 'put someone new in that costume' side.

Let Carol Danvers keep Captain Marvel.

Give Kamala Khan a new moniker and costume update so she graduate out of of 'legacy character' status.

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Storm was selling 12.6k on her final issue in 2015 the same month (KSD's last issue on the character) Captain Marvel was selling 19.7k.

>What's there to apologize with for Silverclaw
Cultural appropriation. Dressing a modern islander girl like she's a tribal. Immodest costume. Being one of those "Call 1-800 to feed this starving native child" kids with Jarvis as her white savior. There's a lot lefties can roast Busiek over the coals for.

Got any arguments that aren't your hurt feelings?

>There's a lot lefties can roast Busiek over the coals for.

Everything you mentioned was Perez's idea. Silverclaw was his baby and he's Brazilian, so.

That women used to think that playing up their sexuality made them more powerful, but now the consensus is that it just makes them targets for predators.

>I-It was my artist's idea!
That's a dodge and a half.

>He's Brazilian
That would give him a pass a few years ago, but the more hard-core lefties would still nail him for it.

Silverclaw isn't a Pacific Islander. Also the orphanage specifically brought Silverclaw to Jarvis' attention because of his Avengers connections since she had powers.

If I was Busiek, I'd have responded to that tweet by just tagging all of the high profile cosplayers who've worn the Ms. Marvel costume.

It still makes them more powerful. But women rate high in agreeableness, so when you get a bunch of them together they hive-mind into backing the vocal, jealous little troll of their group who hates other women because they look better than she does.

>The design itself almost matched the cartoon version of it
You're insane.
No scarf, no domino mask, gold lines everywhere, that belt + hip pads thing, armored gauntlets, oh and it's a fucking jumpsuit and not a leotard.

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Fictional South American, whatever. The volcano goddess stuff threw me.

>The orphanage
Still doesn't change the "Jarvis is her foreign white savior" overtones.

I like Silverclaw. I'm telling you what Busiek's friends will think about her though.

Well Kurt did throw Perez under the bus for Scarlet Witch.

Even contemporary interviews from when the run was current had Perez claim all the credit for Silverclaw. He wanted to create a latina character since he is one himself. But yeah, I dunno.

The worst comics I have ever read are dark knight 2 and KSDs run on cap marvel

So, is this a redesign thread? Cause I've got some.

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Nobody takes the character seriously these days anyway, because she's badly written and annoying. The modern bland sexually neutered costume style just doesn't distract people from how badly written she is.

Revisionism. Same crap with shulk.

>put someone else in it.
So what you are really saying is you like Carol's costume and think she should go back to wearing it but of course can't say that because feminist sjws expect you to be cucked, repeat their mantras and toe the fucking line 24/7 and you're too much of little bitch boi to gainsay them.

Stop lying Janet is an internationally recognized fashion designer and Carol loves her inspirations.

Janet being garbage at costumes is one of the best running gags in Marvel. No one outright says it, but its always implied.

She-Hulk hated her costume, Carol hated her costume, Angelica hated her costume, I don't think there's one superheroine that likes the costume Wasp made for them.

I mean it's actually her own look, unlike the current outfit winch is just her aping Mar-Vell more closely.

Sure if you consider your own personal head canon to be canon Carol disagrees

She was either being polite or is like the only person to ever like a costume Janet made for them.

Given that its Carol, she probably liked it since her taste in anything is questionable.

She was talking to herself yes she liked it. No evidence to suggest Janet has been anything but well regarded as a costume designer neither has it been implied she isn't.
Ms Marvel's later comments regarding Carol's costume are simply revisionist knee bending to the sjw feminist agenda.

She was probably sauced when she liked it.

>revisionist bending to the sjw feminist agenda
Jenn hated her Van Dyne outfit because it was TOO MUCH clothing and Janet bitched at her when she tried to rip it.

What's that supposed to mean, are you saying Carol's slutty side comes out when she's drunk? I think you're probably right.

'Talented Fashion Designer: Janet was a very talented fashion designer. During her early days as the Wasp, she would constantly make new costumes for herself and wear different ones for almost every new mission. Over the years her talent earned her great acclaim in the fashion world. Janet's talents also extend to designing costumes for other superheroes; especially her Avengers teammates, including Firestar and Justice. She possessed enough costumes of her own to fill either an entire closet or two.'
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Yes exactly.

(((talented fashion designer)))

>(((talented fashion designer)))
Right...I see where this is going. van Dyne is Dutch retard.

(((Dutch)))

There are too many Superman clones as it is. Carol should work to be her own fucking thing. If she's the seventh to assume the mantle of Captain Marvel then she needs to do something with it. She's had her time in the son and proves she doesn't have staying power because she has no interesting storylines.

The Thunderbolts are back in the current Punisher run but it's being written by Matthew Rosenberg so my excitement is considerably tempered but Karla bring on screen at anytime where she isn't jobbing or having her characterization taken by Songbird is a win in my book.

Stop being fucking autistic. You both don't read comics.

>You both don't read comics.

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Triple parentheses doesn't just mean secret jew. It means anything so phony and hollow that it rings like a bell.

Sounds more like you didn't read comics, you Yea Forums tourist.

>Triple parentheses
knowyourmeme.com/memes/triple-parentheses-echo

(((Know your meme)))

>know your meme
Well that's it then. The experts of Yea Forums culture have weighed in.

Retard.

You can't just go round inventing new meanings for syntax user.

That because it just so happens to be what ((())) means dumbass, get a clue!

It's been used outside of THEY'RE A KIKE countless times. Lurk more casual.

Yeah. Memes never change.

Frothing retard.

FUCKING DUMBASS! DUMBASS! DUMBASSSSSSS! Have a wiki
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_parentheses

>Wikipedia
AHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!

Sounds like serious backpedaling here

Like I said, you can't just go around creating your own meaning for commonly acknowledged and recognized symbology.

It's not backpedaling. Janet is also a kike.

>wikipedia and know your meme
Fucking kill yourself.

>Triple parenthesis doesn't mean Jewish
>But Janet is also Jewish!

I guess you don't read comics and still trying to backpedal

Jew is more than a race. It's a set of behaviors.

/pol/! it's /pol/! I really want to be your friend, hope this day will never end it's /pol/! it's /pol/!

You are a backpedaling idiot who tried to claim ((())) means something different to what it's commonly understood to mean while at the same time directly claiming van Dyne is Jewish. Bet you've been confusing her with Kitty Pryde haven't you?

>What its commonly understood to mean
Lurk more faggot

>Lurk more faggot
((())) has never meant anything other than what it is stated to mean and certainly not anything derived from your bullshit, on the spot, back pedaling claims.

As fun as the old costume was it should never see the light of day again. Women are now in the comic book industry and it is dehumanizing to see a lead character that women identify with be paraded like a sex slave.To put it simply you don't see Iron Man or Captain America in a bikini fighting. It's time for us all to start treating female heroes with the respect they earned and deserve.

That sounds sarcastic

>Women are now in the comic industry
I wonder if people that believe that realize how offensive it sounds to all the women that have worked in comics throughout the decades like Jo Duffy and Louise Simonson?

Tigra's earned being paraded around like a sex slave. I'm sure there are others on a similar "useless bitch" level.

>leading into a long discussion between him and KSD
Can someone religious explain to me how to pray, so I can start doing it for Kurt Busiek

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Do you honestly believe they were able to voice their concern without getting in some sort of trouble? Now women have the power to voice their opinion without consequence and making it heard.

>Carol's costume and think she should go back to wearing it
no

The original Ms. Marvel has basically been killed off as a character and has been replaced with a woke tranny fascist.

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So why did he say someone should wear it then? Either he thinks it's a good costume or he doesn't, which is it? I know why don't you get your cuck cage on and repeat what you're told to say, your opinions are now whatever KSD tells you your opinions are.

What has (((her race))) to do with the fact she is a famous fashion designer, /pol/?

You have bad opinions. Fuck off.

I think the problem is every writer seems intent on making there own mark on the character, and seems to feel entitled to making her theirs with a new story personality and cast. So none of these writers feel the need to use what’s alreasy been established so she’s never gotten any supporting cast beyond some unused characters from other books rather than from her own runs. Jessica is a prime example of it, sure she’s in carols supporting cast and vice verse but if another soiderwoman books starts you can’t use her for carol as frequently since you’d disrupt the flow of that ongoing. Same with mystique, it’s good to have her as a villain with carol but the relationship really isn’t any different than it is with Bobby or wolverine. Carol just needs someone who wants to tell a good story and is willing to put politics on the back burner for it rather than the other way around

>>/pol/

Yeah except for the fact she isn't a Jew.

Then why the fuck you or the other user bring the jew into conversation?

Because the other user is a backpedalling idiot from Yea Forums trying to LARP as /pol/

You might want to ask back pedaling /pol/ poster that question.

Conan wears a loin cloth and there are male examples of heroes who have and should show skin, like Hercules. Your just a regressive sex negative prude who's against displaying female sexuality and sexual empowerment pretending to be a feminist. Plenty of women like their bodies, and like showing them off.

>Because the other user is a backpedalling idiot from Yea Forums trying to LARP as /pol/
Can you write in english instead of in memes?

I like her ORIGINAL costume, with the scarf. Scarves are cooler than sashes, sashes are for fags.

why did liberals have to ruin comics?

This.
This user gets it. And it shows.
There's a reason why Captain Marvel can't carry her own solo series without having to relaunch every 12 issues.

Why oh why couldn't the leave her like this, she was a powerful woman I could take seriously and who wasn't high off her own farts...

Source faggot

It's called a compromise/settlement. There's also an issue of organically explaining character development. Captain Carol has been characterized differently than classic Carol. This provides a goo explanation of the choices that could be used to explain Carols shift(sacrificing her sexual empowerment and liberation for more mainstream conservative approval). Meanwhile we can introduce a new heroine who cares more about showing off and embracing her feminine sexuality with out a care what prudes be they conservative or fake liberals think. We get classic carol back in a form and Captain carol fans get to keep their version as well. More perfectly good feminist role models in their own way.

>It may work in the 70's, but not today because of how stupid it was handled and made before the update

People like you are why comics are failing now, writers get hired with your mentality and things go straight to the shitter...

These aren't real liberals. These are prudes who hate men looking at women and women showing off for men. Real liberalism, specifically sexual liberalism is why we got so many sexy costumes in the past. Compare conservative 50's-'60's superheroine costumes to the ones we got throughout the liberal seventies through the 2000's.

She can speak to the manager in my pants.

Jesus, dude. You that desperate?

>explaining character development.
So apparently character development is now defined as finding some bullshit means by which old Carol can have a personality face lift and be shoe horned in to someone she has never been so as to be moderately acceptable to sjw feminists.

Probably during KSD or KT run she said something about how now she dislikes her iconic Miss Marvel leotard because it was tacky or some shit.

The original black is a 10/10 design - simple, elegant, cool and sexy at the same time. It exudes a heroic energy and absolute confidence.

It embodies everything that a super hero of her level represents - no armor, pads, utility belts or anything like that, just pure power unbound.

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Eh kind of. Realistically we're stuck with disney wanting to push carol as their leading superheroine role model for little girls(and more importantly, their parents) and they don't want her to look too "sexualized", Unless my plan to go back in time to when marvel was facing bankruptcy and buy it out bears fruit, we need to find other options. It's possible in a couple of decades or so the culture will be more sex positive and getting her back in a leotard might be fully reasonable. In the immediate future it might be more reasonable to hand the costume and warbird name over to a new character.

I get the change of outfit, what I don't get is why they changed her personality. She was a fuck up but she was a confident fuck up, now she is a discount Supes with saiyan powers.

she's still a fuckup, but they try to sell her as Female Superman

>In the immediate future it might be more reasonable to hand the costume and warbird name over to a new character.
To me this is a bad move, it's like trying to replace Captain America all over again. To me this is Carol Danvers.

user no. Even you can do better.

Fagtion thought the same and now look at him.

Holy shit, she looks bad for a 48 year old. I just thought fraction was into older women.

A fair respectable point of wanting to keep Carol's look directly linked to her. Better than KSD's nonsense about "think of the cosplayers" and "bad things happen to women in thigh-highs". You have the unfortunate trad off that outside of variant covers and perhaps a continuity insert that kind of look for carol in general probably isn't coming back for at least 20 years at best.

This.

Captain Marvel isn't what Carol Danvers is. It's entirely something fabricated, a lie to sell merchandise to little girls (or rather to their 40-year old moms)

there, I fixed your captain marvel costume

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What happened?

What happened to him?

He married her and now he looks unhappy.

Why in god's name would he marry that thing?

Hmm. Interesting, adding tights under the leotard while keeping the thigh-high boots and zettai ryuteki. I've been pondered over the possibility of this with the EMH suit, but realized it would effectively be a Dr Minerva costume. The red matching the sash does look nice.

KSD is awful at everything.

>The best Avengers writer ever who gave Carol more character development than anyone.....or KSD

Not much of a debate

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I mean, the issue with her traditional costume is that it's a leotard. Keeping the same aestethics, while making it not a leotard should fix all the problems.
Essentially it would be a fullbody suit, with breaks in color purely for design.
It could even be her current costume, just made full black with a yellow flash on the chest and some red strikes

or like this

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The belt provides enough of a color break. It can just be filled in with matching black. The Superhero Squad show did and it worked fine.

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I think you're assuming comic book writers live in more fear of the Woke Police than they do. This is still a world where Akira Yoshida is instituting his "pretend it's 1993 forever" policy with books like Savage Avengers.

Part of the problem with Captain Carol has been the way she's often been drawn as summed up with this pic. Tweaking the costume to make it closer to her Ms Marvel one by restoring the Thigh-highs, Opera gloves, and bare shoulders could be a big imrovement as well as drawing her with feminine figure/hairstyle and the outfit being skintight. Though it's occurred to me that a properly drawn captain carol with the longer gloves and boots would end up looking like pallet swapped Phoenix. And I admit I'd still miss the zettai ryuteki which would require a leotard(even with tights for a faux sense).

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Kurt makes Astro City, arguably the best cale comic to follow big two trends. I will side with him blindly on anything, so long as he makes more astro city afterwards.

the problem with this is that it still has thigh highs
the ones on the right would be good if the blue was darker, almost black, and there was no or little red on the shoulders

>I think you're assuming comic book writers live in more fear of the Woke Police than they do.
People want to assume that respected older talents have been cowed into bending the knee to woke Twitter zealots because the alternative is This Is What Comics Writers Actually Believe.

>This is still a world where Akira Yoshida is instituting his "pretend it's 1993 forever" policy with books like Savage Avengers.
They have come for your cheesecake, they have not yet come for your violence. Savage Avengers is less about 1990s nostalgia and more about Marvel getting the Conan license back and milking it for all it's worth in the short term.

Wasn't EMH Carol essentially FemShep with super powers?

>[Isn't] Carol essentially FemShep with super powers?
Yeah.

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pretty much what said
The industry and even feminism groups are now filled with raging fat woman who HATES imaginary and fictional woman and sees it as competition, worse is that all of it is being fed and brainwashed by your local college Art and history teachers who reads the entire sociocommie library, and favors only Apple and chinese garbage.

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The Queen of the resting bitchface is NEVER right

Yeah, but Carol's probably closer to looking like Beth Phoenix than Paige.

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THICC

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>Leotards are not awesome and badass you incel. They are not cool. They look dumb and stupid.
I have never seen a gayer comment on Yea Forums than this. Even comments about wanting to suck cock are less gay than this.

Pretty sure you're confusing Janet with Kitty.

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What's wrong with thigh highs?

>tfw she'll never break you like a twig

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Beth is more She-Hulk or Maxima than Captain Marvel

Captain Marvel is more Maryse or Trish Status

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Modern Carol is ripped, she's definitely more like Beth or Natalia.
Moonstone, that i can see being like Maryse or Trish.

This is rich coming from someone who can barely hide her thirst and creeps on guys during guys.

stop lying, Janet is fucking rich because of her clothing line

So where do the other creators side on this? I'd be shocked if Simone hasn't entered into the conversation somehow.

Whoa there, youre sounding way too reasonable

I's one of the things that people who complain about her traditional look don't like, so a new look that inclues thigh highs would never be accepted

>Janet is fucking rich because of her clothing line
Didn't she inherit her money first?

There’s a lot of that in the marvel universe huh

Um the new costume has thigh-highs, and bare arms. No zettai ryuteki and the colors are white and red instead of black and gold though.

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Abnett is about world building while also keeping the action in it. However he sucks at drama and at character oriented stories which is why Titans wasn't for him.

Corsair and a bunch of character have thigh highs or make the boots lower, it's not that bad.

That MvC art makes her look like a pre-teen girl in the body of a grown woman.

That's clearly not going to last beyond the arc, though.

Kevin Feige really hates comics

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only basedbouys like this shit

A blue mask would work better (probably inverting the red and blue colors?) a black mask would clash with the whole color scheme unless you made the blue black similar to and A fusion between the modern costume and the EMH costume (AKA the Ms. Moonstone costume) would be pretty sweet.

So you hate all the sports that women wear leotards?
what a loser...

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>hips too wide she looks like two chicken legs were slapped onto her
ew, that's Maserati levels of awful

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I hate leotards
I'm foreveralone forever
but I hate leotads
I hate leotards
I'm foreveralone forever
but I hate leotads
I hate leotards
I'm foreveralone forever
but I hate leotads

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I liked how this is drawn better than the Anka stuff. At least here she does look more like Carol. I know I am in the minority here but I also like her domino mask. I know she doesn't need to protect her indentity but it's not because of that I just like the look (I mean Bucky still has his so it doesn't matter).

These are nowhere near as sexualized as a dipping neckline or a thong bikini. They're shiny and colorful but that's about it. You're purposefully confounding utalitarian nudity with your own desire to sexualized every and anything. You're way too horny.

>The black suit just doesn't make sense for her at all.
Hence, the need for another character to wear the classic suit.

>Leotards are not awesome and badass you incel. They are not cool. They look dumb and stupid.

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You're just proving his point, waifufag.

Please find a psychiatrist Cuckoo's Nest

You said leotards are not cool and that they look dumd and stupid. He posted a pic where he shows you that leotards are practical and your only reply is
>You're purposefully confounding utalitarian nudity with your own desire to sexualized every and anything
>You're way too horny
Good lord man, what's your goddamn problem?

ms marvel: sports edition

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Okay, incel who thinks sports leotards are lingerie.

The Cocoa Puffs neonazi has a new retard friend

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The original Miss Marvel leotard wasn't lengerie either. If with the pass of time artists started to draw it like lengerie, then it was the artist problem.

Okay, Cocoa Puffs who thinks leotards suits are lingerie.

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I think you're repressing your sexuality too much. Lighten up and stop being a prude.

forever alone and cocoa puffs

best names for this pathetic fag

Not him but reading the whole thread and see you calling someone an incel is cynical to say the least.

New suit looks like shit
no surprise until here
disney has so much confidence in this new suit of shit that only showed small pieces because it knows that it sucks

>A new suit
Yeah, because that's gonna save her series from cancellation.

are you seriously hating on our goddess Enji? I have never heard such a retarded thing on Yea Forums

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>women show skin
>sexist
>women are covered up
>sexist
Damned if you do. Damned if you don't

>thinks sports leotards are lingerie.
I'm pretty sure nobody said that.

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I find women who wear leotards attractive certainly. But there are moments where I find that the leotards are utilitarian and not for sexual purposes and it works

Dick IS supporting cast, lol.

Carol needs a John Byrne
Someone who understands science fiction and knows how to tell good stories with a great artist and a leotard suit
Simple like that

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>Captain Marvel isn't what Carol Danvers is.
Disney isnt going back. Your only hope is Ultimate universe, clone, or some other blonde lady to take the role

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She either needs someone whose unashamed about using sexuality to sell a book or someone who has big ideas for stories for her. She hasn’t had either since her push as captain marvel

I legitimately like this costume

So is Carol.

Back in the bygone era of early 2000's internet, I got into a brief argument with Busiek about superhero costumes.

At that time, it was my contention that Wonder Woman, who is an Amazon Princess, should be in the habit of regularly getting costume redesigns. I claimed then (and so do now still believe) that the most unrealistic aspect of WW isn't all the fantasy mumbo jumbo. The deal breaker is the comic expecting us to believe that a wealthy woman of stature & privilege would willingly wear the same outfit for years on end. Absolutely unbelievable.

Busiek responded by comparing superhero costumes functioning in-universe to the uniforms at McDonald's. The Gen pop wouldn't know who she was if she changes her outfit.

The conversation deteriorated after that, because I thought that was fucking stupid.

This argument was monumentally stupid, but in fairness, I was 14, and Busiek was maybe high on meth or something.

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