Can we get a thread for heel turn outfits?
Can we get a thread for heel turn outfits?
Eli Rodriguez
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Brody Davis
Henry Bennett
Jose Torres
Malice never made any sense as a dark version of Sue. Yeah, she's neglected and upset about it. Sure. But "Malice mistress of hate" doesn't in any way correlate to her actual powers or normal design. It's like it's just some random villain outfit slapped onto Sue.
In my opinion an actual heel turn Sue would be something like an assassin, using her invisibility and force fields to kill targets without them even knowing she exists.
Daniel Long
The whole point was being as far from Sue as you'd expect, which was an extravagant villainess. Not "Sue, but as super serious assassin".
Xavier Wilson
But Sue has nothing to do with hate. I mean the one time she was working for the Hate-Monger it made sense because she didn't do any of it. The Hate-Monger projected his emotion stuff and Sue pretended to be the one doing it.
But it never made any sense past that one issue.
Henry King
Ryder Wilson
It was never about making sense, it was about Byrne getting another chance at doing the Black Queen part of the Dark Phoenix Saga, without Claremont. Sue is wearing a bondage costume because the Black Queen wore a bondage costume, there's no deeper reason to it. Byrne's third attempt at a classic Marvel heroine heel turn was a worse story, but the costume made more sense.
Ryder Stewart
And to be fair Wanda's Dark Scarlet costume is actually pretty cool. Not a fan of the short hair without a hairband or tiara tho, makes her look a bit naked.
>in before censored fellatio scene
Thomas Wright
Byrne's stint on WCA in general was a weird time. Him quitting mid-arc was probably for the best.
Lucas Rivera
he's autistic. Like actually autistic, not just "ha ha ha he is stupid"
Jonathan Cruz
Don't forget the legacy doms: Oubliette Midas, Red Queen, and Sinthia Schmidtt.
Isaiah Adams
Sentry's Horseman costume was slick as hell.
Nolan Howard
>Female character loses clothing when she becomes evil
>Male character gains more clothing when he becomes evil
What did they mean by this?
Angel Murphy
>Not a fan of the short hair
A heroine responding to trauma and life-changing events by changing her costume and cutting her hair short is another cliché in itself.
>in before censored fellatio scene
Byrne believed that it was up to the reader to determine what was happening, and if you saw something sexual, that was on you, not him. is right that he's probably autistic.
Jose Watson
Gavin Jackson
>Sue, who even made that outfit for you
>"N-nobody, shut up"
William Garcia
I think the signs are there for Byrne due to his extreme obsession with details and his unwavering belief in his own theories. He has ideas of what characters should be like, what runs are important and what good storytelling elements are and they seem to be very infexible. Even if you get into his Byrne Robotics forums you can easily be banned from it by voicing an opposing opinion, even in a civil discussion type of way.
But really, I don't think you need any more evidence than the fact that Byrne spent several pages of his Spider-Man Year One series to explain why Spider-Man's back emblem was blue rather than red for one issue of the Ditko run. It's a simple coloring issue, but in Byrne's mind it's big enough to warrant explanation.
Same as with the cornrows meaning Norman Osborn and Sandman are related.
Anthony Hall
Making Sue a villain would be a good character development for her and the FF
Daniel Ramirez
Malice never made any sense except as a cry for attention desu.
Brandon Perez
1990s evil Tony Stark
Jose Turner
or the 2010s retelling with evil Steve Rogers
Hudson Turner
Titanium Man is a mood.
Julian Campbell
The Dark Phoenix Saga was very popular and very influential.
Connor Hall
The problem is that it's easy to make assumptions like this about a lot of comics writers, where is the line between being an obsessive nerd about something about being actually autistic about it? People like Roy Thomas and Mark Gruenwald wanted to tie everything together and make everything fit. Byrne is far from alone in devoting too much time to retconning stories he didn't like or trying to 'fix' them, nobody thinks writers like Stern or Busiek or autistic for doing that.
For Byrne, the obsession with 'fixing' trivial details nobody cared about, and his mistaken but inflexible views on characters are signs that he may be somewhere on the spectrum.
Lucas Hall
Busiek and Stern are fully functioning humans who can and have interacted with fans. Byrne cannot really cope with other people having differing view about anything. Yes, lots of comics writers and artists are fanboys with their own ideas about what comics "should" be (take a look at Alex Ross) but that doesn't mean you've got some kind of social disability.
Anthony Ortiz
Blake Myers
Baroness Umar must be borrowing that outfit this week in comics.
Hudson Parker
Hunter Bell
Hunter Adams
Aaron Collins
It says a lot about Marvel's editorial and writers that Byrne was allowed to do everything he did to Wanda and Vision, and in 30 years afterwards, nobody has fixed it.
Nathan Collins
Titans Tomorrow Tim Drake had a really amazing Batman suit.
Bentley Bailey
Wolverine as a Horseman of Apocalypse
Wyatt Campbell
Jason Rodriguez
>covers up her titties
truly evil
Xavier Flores
Lincoln Jackson
Dominic Reed
Austin Martin
Elijah Cook
William Cox
i was on your side up until i saw the cock and balls outline on his chest/neck
Isaiah Allen
But Myrmidon just means lackey. How is that a good name?
Sebastian Turner
Deep down, Sue really just wants to be a brutal and violent dom and Malice is an expression of her sexual frustration.
Connor Parker
Susan, I said SHUT UP!
Christian Robinson
>Myrmidon
>The Myrmidons (or Myrmidones Μυρμιδόνες) were an ancient nation of Greek mythology. In Homer's Iliad, the Myrmidons are the soldiers commanded by Achilles.[1] Their eponymous ancestor was Myrmidon, a king of Phthiotis who was a son of Zeus and "wide-ruling" Eurymedousa, a princess of Phthiotis. She was seduced by him in the form of an ant. An etiological myth of their origins, simply expanding upon their supposed etymology— the name in Classical Greek was interpreted as "ant-people", from murmekes, "ants"— was first mentioned by Ovid, in Metamorphoses: in Ovid's telling, the Myrmidons were simple worker ants on the island of Aegina.
Isaac Hughes
>Darker than Scarlet...
Crimson? Maybe Auburn?
The Burgundy Witch?
Colton Bailey
>Reed, just let her put a cigarette out on your chest once in awhile, this is starting to get irritating and weird.
Josiah Carter
Adam Carter
Why is Nick Fury white?
Ian Gutierrez
Why wouldn't a guy played by David Hasselhoff be white?
Samuel Jones
>In an attempt to get attention Sue pretends to be a scenery chewing super villain
>Reed don't play that and slaps her shit
Only in a John Bryne comic can domestic violence save the day
Bentley Gutierrez
And the tradition continues to this day
Jose Walker
>M-Mommy
Jason Russell
Benjamin Fisher
>Busiek
>fully functioning humans
user no, he's autistic too. Just look at the letters he wrote in to Marvel before he worked there
Isaiah Rodriguez
This should just be her permanent normal costume.
Michael Green
This
Christopher Wilson
you fool, it's Maroon!
She's the maroon witch!
Anthony Lee
Havok's costumes are always dumb
William Russell
10/10 suit and cape
Nathan Jackson
gaaaaaaaaaaaaayy
Oliver Torres
Why are evil outfits always so much better
Ryder Moore
FUCKING SAVAGE
Jordan Morales
>What a maroon!
Cooper Cox
But necessary
Jacob Gomez
Owen Reed
you know, I give Deodato shit all the time but his Nat is just so fucking sexy
Gavin Harris
Imagine if she wore this in blue as her hero outfit
Dylan Allen
Is that Liefeld? Because that's one shitty costume and anatomy.
Aiden Jones
MOMMY
Jackson Nelson
Oh, pointless spi...wait she could fly by people with those and it'd be totally dope.
Ian Hughes
god male artists are so boring. they just slap garish skintight leather on evil hoes, no imagination. shit looks like the clearance section of a sex shop
this right here is prime evil thottery tho. perfect for lewding
Lincoln Roberts
oh god, dick ants goes as far as ancient history
Lincoln Carter
that Hal one? really, that's way more boring, they just gave him pauldons and called it a day.
Luis Ramirez
Sexual frustration for what? Her hubby can change into anything and make his penis any size. That is a piss poor excuse.
Thomas Sanders
Have you ever read a FF comic like ever? Reed is so autistic that he spends 24/7 with little regard to the needs of his wife. Go torrent Hickman’s first volume of his FF to see this glorious autism at its highest.
Eli Miller
It’s cute
Dylan Gonzalez
While I am not a big fan of divorce (because most people are lazy and don't want to communicate) outside of real bad shit going down. If she knew he was like this to begin with, why marry him? And before any of you fucker berate me, most people who are poor choices to date or marry show red flags early in a relationship, don't let loneliness and lust blind you to this. She choose poorly.
William King
Is she going commando?
Asher Martin
Hunter Hill
Goblin Princess makes me diamonds.
Asher Richardson
Ryder Miller
Fun hair.
Tyler Roberts
Jonathan Wilson
It's Namor you fuckwit. This is actually the straightest he's ever looked.
Luis Powell
No looking like a bishie pretty boy is very gay as is long hair
Eli Watson
who cares its hot
Benjamin Gray
Did she find her fetish in genosha?
Gabriel Torres
Zachary Kelly
>She choose poorly.
Well no shit, she wasn't even a teenager when she fell in love with him. I assume the hormones, the idea of being with someone so brilliant, and Reed's few charming traits blinded her to the reality of being with a man who lives and breaths science.
Elijah Cook
Brayden Ward
>Well no shit, she wasn't even a teenager when she fell in love with him.
This was Byrne, wasn't it?
Cameron Gomez
You know it.
Hudson Butler
Ryder Thompson
>did somebody mention the door to darkness
Cameron Cox
Did Jessica Rabbit ever have this kind of makeover in RR's comic book?
Anthony Roberts
Does it count if they wear the same outfits switching rapidly between good and evil and back and back again, but change outfits arbitrarily anyway?
Jonathan Gonzalez
Well, now I know where Lightfoot got his inspiration to draw faces from.
Or maybe Lightfoot influenced that artist.
Tyler Garcia
bump
Michael Wright
Change color scheme, acquire atmospheric lighting.
Michael Sanchez
What is this, a peej for ants?
Logan Wright
I always hated this dude's art. His linework is atrocious. Always looks like unfinished pencils.
Brandon Bailey
sure
Landon Watson
Then why is the movie such a disaster?
Daniel Collins
Because Fox
Lincoln Martinez
Its a very complicated story, touching a lot of the established Marvel universe, and required the audience to feel connected to her for it to work emotionally.
Jean barely does anything and is not there beyond Scott’s love interest and the first student of Prof X outside of the Phoenix stuff in any of the movies, Scott is barely a character beyond jokes with Wolverine either. No emotional buildup, no emotional payoff.
They didn’t own the rights to a lot of the stuff required for the story, and without establishing that stuff in another movie first you’d have spent half of it familiarizing the audience with who everyone is. Or spent multiple movies introducing and dealing with OC replacements, which would have worked too. Make a Phoenix Trilogy, and have the first mostly about Jean and Scott with some tagalong D-listers.