>Boomers are now the establishment and don’t want to see their society made fun of.
Maybe liberal boomers?
>Young adults don’t want to see their favorite pop culture made fun of in crude and gross-out comics and told ‘your an idiot for liking this’.
So maybe hipsters who hate main-steam pop culture?
That only leaves sad, ‘Rick and Morty’-esque ‘intellectuals’ who think they’re consuming a high form of entertainment and normal people can’t handle the nuances of MAD Magazine.
Who the hell is the demographic for The Simpsons for the last 5 years? Who the hell is the demographic for Days Of Our Lives for the last 5 years? Who the hell is the demographic for The CBS Evening News for the last 5 years?
Brandon Martinez
I still watch The Simpsons housewives, grandmas your parents
MAD has had problems since the 90's. It's way more of the infrastructure around magazines dying and less about the last five years alone.
The Simpsons made fun of Mad Magazine's shit writing almost ten years ago, and they weren't wrong. Zombie Simpsons has more edgy and self aware humor than the supposed creators of edgy and self aware humor.
This also goes back to 'give the people what they want'. The only people who were buying into humor magazines at this point are older than dirt boomers. Instead of simply targeting that audience, they still tried time and time again in costly measures to be "hip and cool" with zero effect for their company or brand. Reminder, Mad TV started over twenty years ago and ended in 2016.
No one, much like old MAD magazine, they're kept alive on sheer momentum alone. People now watch them out of habit and not actually because they would seriously consider it a contender for their time if it was a new show that had just started airing.
we're increasingly diverse with fewer common values which is both driving and is driven by a paradigm shift to personalized, digitized content delivery of course we don't
My father has some mad comics from the 50s/60s in his basement.(he is a baby boomer, I am gen-x)
Austin Long
Simpsons has been used since it's fall to do predictive programming on whoever watches it. It has "predicted" a lot of events a little too accurately.
I legitimately think it's funded by some weird government sources because there's no reason it should still be going. There's been a lot of government and elite types that claim the average person is Homer. Why not put the predictive programming into the dumb TV show, with a dumb main character for people they perceive as dumb?
I can't tell if it's supposed to be a parody of the fears of what would happen or a parody of what actually ended up happening. Ghostbusters 2016 could fit in one of these panels, and no one would realize it was from the future.
You really make it sound as everything is so sacred that nothing can make fun of except fun itself. If that's true, then I'm sorry for this America. I'm from a country that nothing is sacred except from the eventual SJW
That's pretty much the case thanks to offense culture. Most culture tended to fall into one of two camps before: provocateurs who made a point of being offensive and going after people and things, and "whoa just a joke folks!" who considered everything fair game, but didn't generally "attack" or "make points", and kept funmaking relatively gentle. Neither of these is really allowed anymore since the moment anyone feels uncomfortable, they're now allowed to scream I AM OFFENDED BY THIS and it's game over no matter what the fuck was going on. Offensensitivity is the biggest cancer of present burger society.
Well the filename says Mad Magazine #211, which was 1979.
Luke Flores
>Who the hell is the demographic for this magazine for the last 5 years? Isn't this question the reason Mad is dead
Jackson Cooper
It's seriously weird to remember that Jack Davis not only drew for Mad Magazine but he also drew some Sesame Street stuff during the 1970's.
Michael Sanchez
We live in a post-satire world, is why
Blake Rodriguez
I keep thinking this world becomes more and more likely every year.
Jayden Powell
Man they would never be allowed to get away with this in this decade. Hell, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have been allowed to get away with it after Gaines died and the magazine got folded into DC Comics during the mid-90's.
Elijah Hernandez
It's a double edged sword since now we end up with a lot of short but great things out there but since entertainment is now getting super personalized it's gonna be harder to have diverse tastes since mass appeal content is the blandest it's ever been and more niche stuff is getting more and more targeted to very specific demographics and nichesas an example I was listening to a radio interview with a creator of a bilingual drama who stated she refuses to put English subtitles for the Spanish in her show making it super niche and maybe what the demographic she's targeting wants but it removes outsiders for good and ill
Luis Stewart
I remember reading Mad like 10 years ago and while I liked the ongoing comics & the gags I never really like the entertainment satires that usually took up the most space because I basically had never seen or cared most of the things they satired. It was almost always about some recent movie or network TV show that I hadn't watched. I feel like there was a huge disconnect between the writers & editors and their audience.
Christopher Evans
I'm 24 and I subscribed just because I think it's funny.
I dont know how MAD got the art styles for all their various segments drawn the exact same way for literally four decades Is it the same exact artists for forty years?
Angel Russell
oh, these are wonderful!
Easton Scott
Mad TV went from 1995 to 2008 then stopped creating new episodes and then a 1 hour episode and 8 regular episodes were created in 2016.
Brayden Howard
age like a fine wine
Grayson King
It was also racist back at the time.
Nicholas Moore
You have any source? Retard
Luke Nelson
who was the best artist in MAD and why it was Wally Wood?
Holy shit these are wonderful little funny time capsules.
Xavier Sullivan
OG Mad: Bill, AL and Harvey went after "the man".
AT&T Corporate Mad: Be the Man.
People who claim to be fans: why did it fail?
Julian Young
onions milk drinking antifa carlifornia sjws. pretty much like all entertainment these days that´s also why sales and ratings for everything keep falling. people are only producing content for a tiny minority of people
Brandon Allen
I grew up in a small town where your options were country radio and tipping cows. Mad was my window into pop culture I otherwise had no access to. I always appreciated knowing what was going on the real world where the dumb kids had no sheep to fuck. I even liked the ten years out of date super specials for context and better history lessons than school.
Mad’s demographic was always boys who started getting erections and worry about it through boys who have girlfriends and can get laid. It was never meant to appeal to much of anyone else, and when it lost that group, it had nowhere else to go. Running ads, trying to be slick, launching a kids version, all of these things slowly eroded the fan base. Add the death of print and I’m amazed it was alive this long.
Gabriel Price
Not gonna lie the lady Alfred looks kinda cute
Colton White
Marvel if you count movies
Joseph Sullivan
>The Simpsons made fun of Mad Magazine's shit writing almost ten years ago
That’s nothing! National Lampoon made fun of it in the 70’s!
>That drawing of hick Billy and Amy Jack Davis was from Georgia...I wonder if it killed him inside to illustrate some of this article's gags
Isaiah Thompson
Nintendo Power was reinvented as a podcast. And does anyone really want to read a video game magazine that sucks the dick of the most obnoxious vidya fandom ever?
Michael Lopez
It could have, but I know he didn't quit until the late 90's revamp.
Mort Drucker worked at the magazine from like 1956 to 2011. Sergio Aragones started at MAD in 1963 and still works on it today. Al Jaffee started at MAD in 1964 and I think still contributes stuff (though in recent MAD they've reprinted his old stuff) Angelo Torres worked on the magazine from 1969 to 2005. Jack Davis worked on MAD during the first 30 issues, left, then came back during the mid-1960's. I think he left MAD around the 90's. Don Martin first worked at MAD in 1956 and quit in 1987 over rights issues to his work. Antonio Prohias started at MAD in 1960 and retired in 1986. Dave Berg started at MAD in 1957, and worked for the magazine till his death in 2002.
So yeah, within four decades you may see the same art styles.
Charles Turner
This is my favorite art style of them.
Ian Morris
Oh, was Mad just a comic magazine at first?
Nolan Nguyen
It was. From #1-23 it was published as a comic. Then Harvey Kurtzman (who wrote many of the parodies back then) wanted to go work on magazines. Gaines tried to keep him on board by converting MAD into a magazine. This had the unintended effect of allowing them to bypass the Comics Code Authority, too.
Ryan Murphy
I only read One Piece.
Hunter Hill
>spics I'm proud of this flag for insulting my sitty kind. Missed oppurtunity to mention micks.
Jose Rivera
Nice.
Zachary Garcia
What's WASP mean?
Brandon Green
It started out as a comic book for it's first 24 issues. When the Comic Code Authority was founded to deal with the backlash against horror and crime comics (two genres that EC Comics was at the forefront of), Gaines had to cancel his nearly his entire line of comics as a result of CCA restrictions.
MAD was the only non-horror/crime hit that Gaines had, so he had to protect it so he converted MAD to magazine format (which let it circumvent the CCA all together. MAD's popularity and sales continued to grow big time, enough so that when Gaines' attempt to create a code approved line of comics failed; he simply retreated to focus the company entirely on MAD as it was a huge cash cow by that point that made more money than all of his horror/crime books combined.
Lincoln Hughes
>Al Jaffee started at MAD in 1964 He actually started a decade earlier in '55 (mostly as a writer). MAD #8 (Aug. 2019) was the first issue in years without any new material from him
Eh, the part of Georgia that Jimmy Carter is from still gets made fun of for being backwoods even by other people from Georgia. Jack Davis was from Atlanta, went to college in Athens, lived in New York, and retired to Saint Simons Island - pretty posh living by Georgia standards. Plains, where Jimmy Carter is from, is still pretty redneck even now. On that note, my family is from SSI, and I talked with him a few times - he definitely cited the magazine as getting a little too crass for him in the 90s.
John Thompson
>so he had to protect it so he converted MAD to magazine format
That was a legend though. The primary reason was really because Harvey Kurtzman wanted to work in magazines, and got a better offer elsewhere. Gaines wanted to keep Kurtzman, so he changed MAD to a magazine. Of course Kurtzman only stayed on for another year before getting an offer from (I think) Hugh Hefner, then going up to Gaines to renegotiate higher demands. Gaines refused, Kurtzman quit, and then went off to do other humor magazines that ended up being very short-lived.
The fact that MAD was able to evade the CCA scrutiny was an unintended nice bonus.
I grew up on mad magazine in 2010 as a kid... and now I'm here. The demographic for mad magazine is weird underground zoomers on 6 government watch list who consume culture so they can pretend to be human.
Angel Thompson
>Government watch lists.
Oh please, MAD's not been edgy in decades.
Bentley Foster
>that pic You realize Ebola existed before hand, right?
Jacob Moore
Shh, don't tell him
Jeremiah Price
When I was a kid I always used to wonder who the hell was Melvin.
Adam Myers
The Simpsons is analogous the other two have very clear demographics though. Women and people over 50. Though the news does decent enough in most age brackets You're just a child and don't watch the news so you imagine nobody does.
Lucas Phillips
He doesn't like them so he doesn't. He doesn't realize
The Simpsons and Mad are both extremely marketable because they attack short attention spans. Something like 60 minutes doesn’t have an overwhelmingly diverse crowd because they have to cover something consistently interesting for an hour.
Jackson Davis
Fond menories of playing Master System Spy vs Spy with my brother.
Benjamin Torres
That's incredible, I had no idea Shel started at Mad.
Nathaniel Phillips
I grew up on Mad Magazine, and even got some of my parents' old Cracked Magazines growing up, but had only heard of National Lampoon through movie titles. I saw that movie on Netflix with Will Forte. thought I'd go find some and see what the fuss was about.
first thing was the issue with the Minnie Mouse cover didn't have any more vintage Rule 34 in it. i was disappointed.
second thing I noticed is that the magazine was approximately 80% ads for hi-fi stereo equipment. hooboy this shit was super important back in the day wasn't it?
kind of ironic that Cracked Magazine is the one that stayed the most relevant the longest, even if it cancelled the video productions that were keeping it relevant. now it's a podcast and a listicle site.
You seem to have stumbled upon the key problem with most media these days. They either have a general audience in mind or no specific demographic at all unless it's strictly for women and even then they get side eyes from trannies and shit.
Demographic targeting seems to be a thing of the past.
Lincoln Price
>real advertisement
Nathan Rivera
>Who the hell is the demographic for The Simpsons for the last 5 years?
The real audience has always been 18-45. You as a child were never the audience
Kevin Cook
where did we ever get the idea that absolutely everything that was good for a little while, must then continue forever and be re-made fresh for each new generation?
>Boomers are now the establishment and don’t want to see their society made fun of. Well no shit. The establishment never liked being made fun of, but MAD did it in the past. >Maybe liberal boomers? Here's the problem. It's not the '90s anymore, liberals are the establishment and they're tremendous in the media. But people trying to hit the mainstream demographic don't know how to make fun of the left, probably because "the left is hip and cool" has been a pop culture cliche since the '70s, and people have a hard time thinking outside the box.
Justin Smith
>less buzz words Them kids with their buzzwords can't even talk good.
Bentley Martin
Neither your argument.
Benjamin Smith
>The only people who were buying into humor magazines at this point are older than dirt boomers. Instead of simply targeting that audience >targeting an audience that will be mostly dead in 10-15 years.
Brody Lewis
No it's not.
t. Mexican
Hunter Thompson
>The American Left is Totalitarian I bet you have no idea how the American Left or Right movement compares to those in Europe or anywhere else....
Isaiah Morris
The Simpsons, Mad, and Archie Comics are three things that have no obvious audience anymore and nobody is known to actually read/watch them yet they continue to exist and be made for reasons unknown.
When marketing showed that sales of a hit dropped off over decades, so rather than make another hit, they decided to try and keep sales of the same concept that worked last time going again.
Brandon Wilson
wew indeed
Henry Collins
I love Don's early work.
Logan Jenkins
the GBC games were amazing
Ethan Wood
the Smash fanbase isn't the entire Nintendo mega-fanbase
Ian Foster
Can't let this thread die without sharing the best MAD article of all time
This is all lies and fallacious reasoning. Most of these points are taken from the loudest, vocal minorities on the planet. The only thing you said right is "infrastructure around magazines dying", which is less about people not caring for magazines and more about the ability to imprint them online for free.
Perfect time to bring up this comic. Context was the real Howard left Nintendo for LucasArts and this was one of his parting gifts not meant for the public.
I think this is because the medium isn’t following the updates of the delivery system, and were seeing this again here with MAD. I also think The Simpsons is a good example.
In the age where we can stream full seasons and binge, handing shows the axe just doesn’t really make sense logistically anymore. It hasn’t really since the advent of YouTube. Any show that gets cancelled now has a plethora of different options that they can shop around for and get picked back up. Instead networks and even streaming services keep taking chances needlessly.
We really do need to face the new reality. Shows can continue as long as the will exists now.
We really do need to learn how to do "medium transfer". Shows will no longer be canceled (unless absolute dreck), simply "transferred" to a new format.
Any show with potential will be given chances to continue.
Remember when Cracked made fun of MAD and then turned into a Buzzfeed clone?
Leo Perez
Our generation has the Internet
John Murphy
and most importantly: smartphone
Brandon White
i don't understand how boomers can continue playing the "unlike you liberals we don't get mad at jokes" card when all it takes is a single joke at trump's expense for all of them to start chimping out with ORANGE MAN BAD etc
"the jokes are just tired" my ass you niggas mad as fuck
Matthew Reyes
Nah, Trump's had the same jokes since the 1980s.
Joseph Garcia
Do you think Ebola was invented in the 2000’s? I learned about it in second fucking grade.
Ryder Lewis
I mean some few parts made me chuckle, but its the just the same shit over and over again. It would be funny if the made something interesting, like if Trump in actuality was a the avatar of a character isekaid into this world, and thats the explanation of why he's done so many different things and has little public restraint. At least then it would be something new...
Jason Price
Legit, Spy vs Spy is the only reason to read it anymore.
Magazines are really expensive to produce and most of them fail within 6 months. In these days, you have podcasts, Youtubers/friend simulators, blogs, Twitter. Magazines need to provide something unique to attract the audience. MAD magazine can’t rely on Orange Man Bad because that’s provided already on the internet, they don’t need to pay $5 for that
Samuel Stewart
I have this interview of Trey Parker and Matt Stone
It actually was reinvented as Nintendo Force. Nintendo is only co-opting the NP name for their podcast (Nintendo didn't own NP for its final years, Future Publications did), merely licensing the name to them.
I'm not sure if anyone from NP is involved in the podcast, but I know a lot of NP people were involved with Nintendo Force. It was a pretty good mag, they even commissioned original comics.
Owen Morgan
Right the President Trump stuff is dumb. That's a given. Nobody is arguing that.
What I am saying about magazine/comics etc, is that people post them online for free. Only the crowd that absolutely has to feel it in their hands goes out and buys it after it's available online. But, true, magazines being expensive to produce also counts against them.
Kayden Robinson
or just any show that the creators and crew want to continue doing because they feel they have more story to tell or didn't finish what they started.
Plenty of shows have continued through comic books, novels, short clips, you name it. The term "cancel" in regards to tv, books, comics, etc. should be eliminated. But for some reason companies insist on continuing it.
Charles Cruz
>Plenty of shows have continued through comic books, novels, short clips, you name it.
What are some Yea Forums examples?
William White
Unfortunately, yes...
Brayden Lopez
>December 1979 >our price $0.75 - cheap! >equivalent to $2.65 today, adjusted for inflation >April 2018 >our price $5.99 - cheap! "Cheap" they say.
Joseph Thomas
Futurama enjoyed a sizable comics run before Bongo died.
Michael Murphy
that's the joke.
William Rogers
>anyone reading a magazine these days
Brandon Russell
MAD went to shit after Bill Gaines died.
He was the only one keeping the corporate execs at bay.
Camden Williams
>anyone reading a magazine these days
People Magazine sells really really well and it’s one of the top read magazines in the US.
Colton Rogers
MAD magazine really had it against South Park.
Aiden Sanders
Was it jealousy or just dislike?
Gabriel Campbell
Why not both??
Josiah Flores
why cant sjws stop shitting on trump reee
Josiah Jones
seething
Aiden Hill
Well let’s see what co would be interested in....
There’s Avatar TLA Marvel picked up Captain Planet Invader Zim in 2015 After it was cancelled the first time Samurai Jack Smallville of course
Joshua Ortiz
Ebola was a hot topic then and it became a hot topic again. Just like that Ed, Edd n Eddy episode where Double D explains that fads come and go but they eventually make their way back around.
The Simpsons has been running so long that they're inevitably going to cover every topic under the sun, so it'll always appear they "predicted" something when really they've just been running long enough that they saw the beginning, end and second beginning of a fad. Where the fuck do you think "The Simpsons Did It!" meme comes from?
