WHAT HAPPENED?!?

Are gays the worst thing to happen to humanity?

onerva was a really weak villain and in theory her goal was logical but the way they portrayed it was so poor (shooting missiles at a reality destroys it? like, really?), overall it didnt feel like an endgame, it was more like "huh? thats it? for real?"

they also shat on shiro real hard, and even the straights were rooting for him to be the main guy

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Yes they did. Yes. They did.

Gays are a minority compared to fujoshits and wanted Sheith. Many of them were cool with just Shiro being gay. Blame women for this shit, not gays.

Maybe, but now that the dust has settled I'd still take Korra over Voltron any day of the week. By the end, the people on Korra were making fun of their shittier mistakes, while the Voltron staff seemed to be doubling down on their hatred for the genre they were working on.

They'd had years to figure out what to do with the "quintessence corrupted Zarkon and Honerva" idea, and what they came up with was, like... "eh, it's not THAT corrupting. Allura absorbed some and was fine. Maybe Zarkon and Honerva just sucked."

That was some impressively lazy bullshit.

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Nothing. The show was fine. Nothing great but enjoyable for what it is. The ending kind of sucked but what modern cartoon doesn't have a sucky ending nowadays. The only problem is a whiny, shitty fandom that blew things out of proportion, Yea Forums included, and remain bitter that a show that was never about romance didn't pander to their romantic delusions about their favorite characters.

fucking this, I'm gay and I love sheith porn, but I did not care at all if it happened or not, I just wanted a good ending and it was so poor, filled of made up technobabble nobody cared about and it kept shitting on established character arcs

No, shippers are. It doesn't matter if your ship is Klance or Zutara, you are the pimple on humanity's ass. The pimple... that's turning cancerous. Somehow.

>but what modern cartoon doesn't have a sucky ending nowadays.

Regular Show was good. Gravity Falls wasn't perfect, but it ticked off a majority of the boxes it needed to tick off for a solid ending.

That might be it.

what the fuck? did Yea Forums's tendency to shit on every serious action series extend to the few normies who rate shit?

>every serious action series
There HAVE been good ones. Gargoyles, for example. And... um... Full Metal Alchemist!

Wait, no, that's Yea Forums. Shit. Um... Avatar was largely good, getting a bit weak in the ending? That's the best I can do.

Fujo-fan-fuckery was one thing. Shiro seemingly being crammed together with literal-who was lame. Keith being stuck forever-alone because fucking Allura snuffed it. So many things felt rushed, unfinished and the staff seemed perfectly fine with leaving stuff totally unresolved. It felt like a labor of begrudging responsibility for the last season.

Get woke go broke.

They made Lotor the good guy only to shit on him. No development for Hunk, Pidge just stopped after her brother was found.
Keith literal went missing for a whole season.
The clone thing didnt make sense in the end.
Shit endgame which went against what writers said were gonna happen. I think they only did it to shit on Kallura and Klance.

Both justice league cartoons were excellent. Dragon prince is decent. There are plenty of good action cartoons historically, even if good modern ones are rare. I dont like it personally but people seem to praise the new tmnt.

Lance was the one left forever-alone. Keith wasn't lucky enough to even get a dead girlfriend. Keith just got a pet without a name.

They started pandering to them homosexuals thats what fucked this up.

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>I think they only did it to shit on Kallura and Klance.

...Stop making me sympathetic to the writers. Keith never showed a micro-feeling toward any of his teammates, the people trying to claim otherwise were making fucking Zutarans look sane in comparison.

>Dragon Prince is decent
We can't say because it's not over yet. We keep saying "this might end up coming together" about shows that nosedive. Dragon Prince might be okay. She-Ra might be okay. Or they'll dumpster-fire, Voltron style, and make their fans look foolish for ever having hope.

I didnt ship either but again ppl are gonna ship regardless and those were the loudest fandoms.
Kieth was more caring or leaning towards it but they made him 'muh shiro' too much and he went missing. Even then Allura literally never showed any interest in Lance and they expect me to believe she was hiding it and the mice had to tell her to look at him?!

Most of the characters in this show amounted to fuck all

>How did it all go so wrong?

Well, just a few of the problems about the show in general:
>they let higher-ups make choices that completely destroyed the narrative (i.e. bringing Shiro back from the dead multiple times)
>they tried to pander too much to various sects of the fandom and the expense of the story
>they kept introducing and devoting time to side characters instead of fleshing out the actually important characters (like the fucking Paladins themselves!) and then ultimately doing nothing with these side characters
>shipping
>in a show about a giant robot, there was actually very little of said giant robot

But in terms of Season 8 specifically, they basically just said "fuck it" and throwing whatever shit fell out of their ass at to wall to see what stuck. The whole Lance/Allura thing, how poorly Lotor was handled, 90% of the cast they introduced just sort of being there and doing nothing, all the bullshit with the gays, the absolutely batshit retarded ending where Honerva gets everything she ever wanted and Allura dies for literally no reason. It was clear that they just absolutely did not give a fuck any more.

Okay, but break it down with me.
Lance: Showed feelings toward Allura.
Allura: Never showed romantic inclinations toward anyone but Lotor, who turned hyper-evil and died.
Pidge: Never showed romantic inclinations.
Hunk: Never showed romantic inclinations.
Shiro: Never showed romantic inclinations.

Of ALL the possible pairings, Lance and Allura made the most sense simply because making it work required ONE character to develop feelings.

Any other pairing would require TWO characters to develop feelings.

It was shittily done, but "Allura finally reciprocates" makes more sense than "suddenly, Lance realizes the one he ACTUALLY cares about is Keith. Who reciprocates! And the reason why Lance didn't mind Keith vanishing for a full year is because... fuck it, just pretend that didn't happen!"

What kills me is that they really didn't even devote much time to side characters. Look at, well, Avatar. We met Bumi for an episode, but we got a good feel for him, then he ended up having a role in the final battle. We met Suki's warriors, and they had an important role too. I rarely felt like time was being wasted, because we got to meet interesting characters who played a role down the line. With Voltron, we spent a two-parter getting to know Shay and her people. Then we pretty much said goodbye to them, except for some shots in the background.

Fucking wasteful.

The through-line of this show's story past season 2 just felt jarringly messy and not that logical. It's a lot more difficult to find this show that engaging to watch, past a certain middle point of the show

I know, so I'll stay cautious. But its enjoyable so far. As for she-ra I didnt like it after I watched the first season and I'm told the second season isn't any better, so no chance of being let down. Voltron was a huge let down yeah, but at least it did have some good action scenes and good sci fi stuff.

Were the fights still boring after season 1?

Right, I'm not trying to be a stick in the mud. Just saying that we shouldn't point to unfinished shows while claiming that there have been good points in recent years.

user... season 1 was the HIGHLIGHT for the fights.

The writers never agreed on anything

You let the fandom decide how the show goes.

They had no longterm plan, that's for damn sure. It's a show that would've been better if it'd been canceled after the first season. Everything went right down the shitter after Zarkon.

So you are saying Allura liking lance after not showing interest was an asspull for no reason other than the writers never gave Lance a arc of moving on or growing.
So they are shit writerd.

I didn't have any ships and I still thought Allurance was retarded.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

...No, I'm not saying that at all.

I literally just said that of all the "shipping combos" Allura+Lance is the least retarded, since it only involves one person discovering hitherto-unmentioned feelings for the other. All the other combos require two people to go "gosh, now that I think about it, I'm in love with you!"

Two bullshit events is worse than one bullshit event. Simple math. Not saying they didn't do a bullshit job of things, just saying that the people that wanted other ships were mathematically even more delusional than the people who wanted Allura+Lance.

no, they're the fourth worst thing to happen to humanity, but they are where they are because of the first worst thing to happen to humanity.

Man I member the first season and was so hyped for the future. I forgot what decade we live in and should have known better. Pandering to any fandom is cancer but the autistic tumblr is a bullet to the brain retarded.

This. They wanted to appease shippers, but introducing a literal who to hook up with Shiro is far worse than just leaving things “ambiguous” because the ships people wanted were either Klance or Sheith. What happened was literally worse than given them nothing.

S6/7 have decent fights including the mech ones

How? The only gay shit was some horrible lesbians, a blink or you miss it scene, and the last minute homo kiss. There is no Klance fujobaiting. You made it all up in your head.

Too many seasons.
They had enough plot for 2 seasons but after the first got an order for way more

I remain baffled by you retards convinced that the show (1) pandered in any significant way to the fandom, or (2) was hurt by any such fandom.

The absolute most egregious "pandering" in the show was a two second "uh... and Shiro got married" at the end, which, frankly? Neither improved nor hurt the quality.

Season 1 set up the basic conflict and told folks that Zarkon used to be a Paladin. By the time Season 4 rolled around, Zarkon was on life support, with his empire in the hands of the scheming but morally grey Lotor, who wanted to conquer the universe to bring about peace and end the constant slaughtering by the Galra. And we'd learned that Zarkon and Honerva were once good people, corrupted by Quintessence. That was, at the halfway point, the basic setup: a magic substance had turned goodish people into rotting corpse-monsters bent on destruction, and there was an heir to the evil empire that wanted peace but didn't see a way to pull it off without conquest first.

Skip ahead to the end and apparently the quintessence doesn't turn people evil because Allura took a great big chug of it and ended up fine (and she slapped around a de-quint-ified Zarkon for being a shitty person even though pre-quint Zarkon had been good), and Honerva is destroying the multiverse, but Allura can fix it with powers billions of times greater than anything she'd shown previously. And Lotor had died off-screen.

They had fucking years to think of an ending, and they came up with a gigantic fucking dogturd mess that didn't make a lick of sense and barely acknowledged the things they'd established as core issues seasons before.

Oh, and they wanted to do a thing on the awesomeness of Earth Military for some fucking reason, ditching the space castle, because who wants a space castle when you can have generic military only in space?

"Pandering" had nothing to do with this show nosediving so hard it went into the planet's core. They phoned in a shitty faux-epic ending.

>I know my otp wasn't going to happen
Pancefag?

Its still makes no sense. Lance liked or flirted with other girls. It was only the last two season did they treat it like it was love in his end and Allura only recuperated cuz rebound.
There was no build up and they try to justfy ut was it was there all along she just had to realize. Which is shit and a bad way to writing a relationship.
If this was true endgame they should have never introduced the lotor/allura thing or made him good.
That was when they should have built up Allura and Lance.
Then it wouldnt have felt force and her death would have matter more. Her "love" for lance was shallow.
Regardless of so called math. Its still a stupid endgame since it didnt come from the heart. Allura wason rebound. I rather have no ships than asspulls over a nice fucking story.

Most likely Kallura. Pancefags are mostly in it for the Pidge porn but Kallura fans are like Klance fans in believing Allura/Lance happened specifically to spite them.

Show should have ended at season six or even seven. Season eight did nothing to further the plot or characters and instead just made everything beforehand seem pointless.

This is a serious problem. Most episodes are completely pointless and can be skipped.

>giving a single shit about audience scores

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>It still makes no sense
There's "oh fuck, they're really going with the thing they barely hinted at for the first three seasons and only started one-sided tip-toeing toward starting with season four?"

And there's "oh fuck, they're not even going with the pairing they BARELY started setting up, they're going with something else entirely?"

And look, they're both different degrees of awful. I agree! I'm just saying that as bad as Allura falling for Lance was (and it was REALLY bad), it would've been worse if they'd discarded that pairing which they'd BARELY even touched on, in favor of a totally new pairing they hadn't AT ALL done anything to set up.

Shit's bad. Shit squared is worse. That's all I gotta say. Voltron had, hands down, the WORST ending of anything Western animation has produced this decade. I would rather watch fucking Delgo than watch the last episode of Voltron again. BUT it actually could've been WORSE if some of the most batshit insane shippers had gotten it their way in the final episode.

Fucking this. The worst part about the last season was the awful straight shipping, everyone acting like paper dolls and Allura hijacking the story so one of the showrunners could live out her Mary Sue fantasy of being the super duper tragic martyr everyone loves, rewriting everyone's motivations in order to make that happen, and that has fuckall to do with fandom pandering.

To deny Klance is to deny divinity.

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Bad writing. Mother fuckers didn't know how to write a cohesive narrative and wasted time on filler shenanigans rather than developing their story and characters.

The show is almost all setup with little payoff, which sucks because within all that setup is a lot of good shit which, as you said just goes to waste. They do give some of them a namedrop toward the end but it's rarely in a good place or something people would get excited to see.

look how they massacred my boy..

when i was a kid, this was a commander ya'd follow to hell and back,but now?

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They pulled a GoT. And if DW didn't make them push the last two seasons out early it would've come out right around the same time too.

Ok.

God ain't real. My life is unchanged by this.

>people in threads talked more about shipping than the show
what went wrong?

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They made the characters too sexy.

this, the show would've never gotten popular if it didn't look nice

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They put the show in space but didn't explore any world long enough to come up with lore. Probably didn't have any proper lore for Alteans in the writer's room.

People talked a lot about ships in Avatar, yeah, but they also speculated about other things in the Avatar's world, because there were all these neat cultures, and cool side-characters that got fleshed out, and so much history... plenty of shit to talk about.

What were you going to talk about with Voltron? The history of planet #3, which showed up for one episode before the cast went "welp, smell you later"?

The shippers were fucking vile, but I'm not going to let the writers off the hook for fleshing their universe out so poorly.

THIS

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Alteans feel like they were come up with by a thirteen year old. Oh look, they're stronger, smarter, and better than everyone else! They have NO flaws, and can literally rewrite the multiverse. Any evil ones are a perversion of the True Altean Way, and after all that bullshit they did they get to go off scot free by going "We're sorry we were tricked by Honerva into murdering all those planets including the former base of the coalition, we totally cool now?"

TBF, THe netflix model of broadcast doesn't work if you're going for that much lore if you haven't made a series bible already.

IIRC they said they did but that they made it really loose so they could fight with the execs better. And it's speculated this is why the toys are so bad, because you can't make good design docs when they're being so secretive.

>audience score
worthless

...THat doesn't make sense. We see the Lions and Voltron. Make some toys outta that.

The lions are the only decent toys of the lot.

Heck get some toy replicas of the bayards? Or those Voltron slippers Lance had.

I'd buy some Lion Slippers.

My problem with LanceXAllura was that Lance's character arc was to stop flirting with her, and her got rewarded by relationship with her. This can conceivably happen, but it doesn't make sense as a story arc. If they wanted him to hook up with someone, they could have a different character. Or, I don't know, they could give Pidge more of defrosting arc, that'd be cute. Or keep his alone.

It's weird because this show had a shitton of merch opportunities and for stuff that little boys would've eaten up. DW deserves its share of the blame for their merchandising division being full of idiots.

I would've bought lion slippers before season 8.

Doesn't help that Montgomery kept saying things in interviews that suggested the total opposite would happen. We're dealing with a show made by someone who pulls shit straight out of her ass because she either can't keep major plot points straight or interprets scenes completely differently from how a sane person would. The show went to shit because it was written by aliens.

When Lotor first showed up I was excited.

>Lance's character arc was to stop flirting with her,

Lance's character arc, as much as he had one, was slowly realizing that he really DID have worth (with the viewers coming to the realization that a lot of the showing off that he did was due to insecurity).

I'm being generous here, because his arc was something touched on briefly at best.

No idea where you got "Lance's character arc was to stop flirting with Allura." He flirted with her badly a couple of times pre-Lotor, was envious as fuck when Lotor started dating her, and started showing more respect to her when she was a Paladin, but not in a way that indicated he didn't want to wake up next to that any more.

The bomb format is cancer.

Lance was interested in Allura but she wasn't interested. It was a mature decision to respect it and move on, and it shouldn't have resulted in double-backing into relationship with her.

All signs point to the show constantly getting rewritten in later seasons. I don't think she was being disingenuous or insane, I think it was genuinely that the writers room had turned into such a clusterfuck that nobody could keep things straight, and things they thought were settled ended up being fought over again over and over.

>It was a mature decision to respect it and move on,

When did that happen though? Him going "Oh, she's not into me, guess I'd better knock it off and move on"?

At absolute most I got the feeling that he'd come to respect her enough to stop with the shit-tier pickup artistry, but that's VERY different from him going "oh, this is never going to happen"

He never backed away in the first place. He just matured enough to try a slower approach as his feelings grew less shallow. Not complicated.

Finalized episode scripts and voice recordings are done around two years ahead of release schedule so she would've been aware of how the last third of the show was supposed to play out and how it resulted in Allura jumping Lance's dick once Lotor bought it. IIRC those interviews were around midway through the show, too, so she should've definitely known by then.

Voltron was never good. The animation, character design and such were excellent, but the storytelling was bad bad bad. The characters were flatter than a pancake, and nothing happened between the first and last episode of the season, which were the only important episodes.
Not to mention the direction and music were painfully bland and the anime references were as shallow as Steven Universe

I agree in principal, I just think the show had devolved into a massive mess where they were trying to tweak things to get alternate endings. Remember "The Grudge"? An episode where Zethrid is furious that she lost Ezor, and then it turned out that Ezor was alive, only in suspiciously few scenes and awfully static, with previous dialogue making a lot more sense if she'd been dead?

It is very difficult to make rewrites to animated series for the precise reasons you listed. I'm still 99% sure they were trying to tweak random shit with Voltron, well past the point where sensible people would've gone "that's written in stone now"

>I agree in principal
I disagree in teacher

>Not to mention the direction and music were painfully bland
^This.

The background music was pervasive, intrusive, and oppressive. That stuck out so badly for me that I couldn't focus on the story, which might have been a blessing in disguise.

Exec Meddling, bad creative decisions and fandom pandering/baiting

You win this round.

>Remember "The Grudge"? An episode where Zethrid is furious that she lost Ezor, and then it turned out that Ezor was alive, only in suspiciously few scenes and awfully static, with previous dialogue making a lot more sense if she'd been dead?
Reminds me of the last-minute changes to GI Joe: The Movie to make it so that Duke didn't die.

I'm amazed how boring the transformation music is most of all

As people keep mentioning literally the only pandering done was the wedding epilogue. If anything it's debatable they didn't do enough pandering, because the last season is when you're supposed to put in fanservicey things like cameos of all the popular minor characters and the like. Instead we got a boring mess that seemed aimed at no one, not even the more reasonable types.

>people from Voltron also worked on Spiderverse
>Onerva's goal seems similar to Kingpin's
I know its stupid to speculate, but its just too weird of a coincidence.

Did they? I thought they were just being considered for Spiderverse sequels.

Oh come on, they put in all that stuff with Generic Human Space Marines! Who doesn't love Generic Human Space Marines? They even shot a video where interesting things kept happening whenever the camera got dropped and couldn't film. Hilarious (I'm told)!

Spiderverse is to this what Star Wars is to Game of Thrones.

Yeah, for a show that had goddamn 76 episodes, I was stunned that the ending had just blink and you miss them callbacks. Did Shay even get to say "hi" to Hunk? I don't think so.

Of all the things wrong with the ending, Shiro's slapped-together "maybe this'll appease them" wedding isn't even in the top 100.

Shorter?

>Slav, who was legitimately great, and whose schtick revolved entirely around messing with Shiro, came back with speaking lines
>not one scene of him pestering Shiro again

Refuge franchise for two hacks who ran a show into the ground starring a white haired princess who went nuts and an angsty black haired hero with a wolf whose entire arc about becoming a true leader resulted in him doing jack shit.

My answer is pithier though.

It really feels like season 7 was meant as the real grand finale. We got more throwbacks between the quiz show and the montage of the season finale with all those aliens showing up on Earth like the restaurant owner from the mall.

Joking aside, sometimes I ask myself what would be necessary to put into a "sequel movie" to fix the un-be-lievable clusterfuck the show turned into. I don't like "it's not doable" as an answer to a writing challenge, but this one's the Everest of fixer-uppers.

The Quintessence creatures never got properly resolved, so that would need to be the framework, but beyond that I can't figure out where to even start, they dug such a hole.

>lesbians

Where?

I honestly woulda liked for voltron to have ended at s7. The whole Evil Witch storyline coulda been done in a sequel series.

allura/lance was so badly done. they had a date next to a tree and suddenly they're soulmates? just what lol

They start the movie out by showing the paladins in their new lives as well as having fun together to indicate they're really good friends who spend lots of time withc each other and not just meeting in front of Allura's statue every once in a while.
The plot is kicked off when Shiro is in the middle of a generic space mission on the Atlas (so, not retired) when it's attacked by a wave of dark energy. His Quintessence ship bond or the crystal in his arm make him sensitive and get visions of Allura and the Entity. Or, Keith finds out about it during one of his peacekeeping missions with the BoM.
After talking to Coran and doing a bunch of investigation that doubles as an excuse to revisit all the places and loose ends they never properly dealt with they find out that when Allura sacrificed herself what she actually did was create a magical barrier to keep the Entity from devouring the multiverse, but it's winning. It also manifests itself in the universe by resurrecting Lotor's corpse.
Eventually the lions show up again to call the paladins back into action, which ends with Allura coming back to life, Lotor's soul asking to be mercy killed, plus the Lions sacrificing themselves along with Honerva who gives a proper apology to destroy the Entity for good.

Well said, you pretty much worded the reasons I stopped watching.

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At least then the fakeout with the paladins possibly dying to the Altean robot would've meant something.

>they wanted to do a thing on the awesomeness of Earth Military for some fucking reason, ditching the space castle, because who wants a space castle when you can have generic military only in space?
this was the pits, and the worst part is, i'm pretty sure it was ripped off anime.

zethrid/ezor implications

this is good
i don't think allura actually died. i think she ascended to godhood or something.

>zethrid/ezor implications

Oohh.

Season 8.

>Pancefags are mostly in it for the Pidge porn
I can't really speak for the other Pancefags, but I liked it because I thought Lance and Pidge were good together. If I only cared about Pidge getting dicked, she could have just as well be shipped with Keith/Shiro/Hunk/whoever.

I never watched the old Voltrons, but Veteran fujos said that Kallura had happened or at least been teased in all the previous Voltrons, so I think that might have fed their hopes for it happening in this Voltron too.

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Also nerf the Alteans while we're at it. Make it so that overuse of Quintessence itself is what led to the rise of the Entity. They properly explain how Altean magic works as well as what the hell the Druids are, by revealing them to be corrupted Alteans or Galra/Altean hybrids, or just Altean-wannabe aliens making use of the more sinister side of Altean magic. This would show the potential for evil already existed within their culture to make them less overpowered. The Entity was actually some kind of dark god created by an ancient Altean cult who wanted to know too much and Honerva inadvertently rediscovered it with her research, but didn't know because most knowledge of it was suppressed. Alfor was suspicious because he had some inklings from the ancient inscriptions on Oriande.

As for the final battle and Allura's resurrection. After Lotor sacrifices his second chance at life to defeat the Entity (his soul got brought back with the body for some reason, and during the time he regain control of himself they use this time to deal with his treatment of the Alteans, his romance with Allura and his family issues), it then hijacks Allura's spirit and forces her to bring herself back into the mortal realm so she can drop the barrier while also controlling her for her powerful magic abilities. This way they get to actually finish off that dropped subplot plus some Empress Allura fanservice as she wrecks the paladins singlehandedly in a really cool battle sequence. Eventually she's able to come to her senses and reject the Entity through the power of friendship plus a heartfelt speech from Lance before returning to them for good. During the final fight against the Entity she also uses her powers to recreate Atlastron but cooler and better. The Entity finally transports itself into Honerva's spirit since she's the same kind of being as Allura before she sacrifices herself using Voltron's power to die for real like Lotor.

Expecting it based on the old shows is reasonable. But then you had all these shippers claiming it was done specifically to spite them, which is the kind of absurdity I'm used to seeing from Klancers.

No beach episode

>Even then Allura literally never showed any interest in Lance
Come on man, did you need her slobbering over his dick to get the hints?

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Man makes a good argument.

And it was the only time. And they had to make it as incesty as possible for her to give a shit.

Shiro banging any of the team has weird age difference, step-dad vibes
now that I'm typing that out I realize that's probably what they liked wasn't it?

>Most episodes are completely pointless and can be skipped.
people like you are ruining television

I needed them to actualky have a conversation where she didnt treat him like a child

See, this is why normal people want gays/lesbians/trannies to make their own fiction instead of taking a pre-existing franchise and muddying it with gay shit. You'll drive away all the normal people who want a good piece of fiction to enjoy, and all you'll have left are the psychos who only want yet another gay fictional relationship to cream themselves over. Then once it starts heading in a direction they don't like, the show tanks in viewership and no longer has an audience.

So why is in this case the fujos at fault when they just aren't satisfied with the turn of events, but in Star Wars' case it's because of the new movies and not because the fans are entitled manchildren?

>You'll drive away all the normal people
Oh you sweet summer child. "Normal people", as in normies, don't give a shit about cartoons. They think all 2D animation is for children and refuse to watch it.

2D animation has very niche and manic fanbase. There's no point in making animation for normal people because they won't watch it no matter how good it is.

If I were referring to normies, I would have just said "normies".

I watched one episode and it offered nothing anime couldn't offer better. What might have been saved by good character designs and sci-fi setting was ruined by awful dialogue and extremely childish comedy. If I wanted to watch gay kids telling fart jokes I'd watch South Park.

The show had nothing else going on than the sexy characters and apparently the fans of such content weren't pleased by it.

Shipping is fine.

Harassing writers because the show doesn't conform to your fanfiction is not.

This

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I cant enjoy a show unless other people do

Shipping is a sign that you arent emotionally stable or mature enough to consume a story.
You arent along for the ride, you are making up your own story and for the extreme, demanding you have power over the direction of the story.
Its where not having a life and having a superiority complex meet.
If you ship in any sincere capacity may I suggest getting a fucking life?

Same thing that happened with Korra. They tried to please their loudest, most obnoxious fans, and make a huge spectacle.

But their huge spectacle fight at the end was just a long, squeaky fart. It was a lot of loud noise and bright lights and nothing substantial or creative or really interesting.

It felt like it was a rushed conclusion that had nothing to do with anything else. The final season was a disaster put together by what felt like an algorithm scanning shitty reddit posts.

you know why
the manchildren are convinced rian johnson exists specifically to spite them

Rian Johnson is a hack though.

really couldn't help yourself, could you

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Shiro could have gotten with Matt or something.

i feel like this would have been the good-writing thing to do. age up matt a bit and make him shiro's lost fiance.

People thought they were going to do that before Matt's reveal.

Right about Kallura, never have the spite thing much thought. I figured they were intentionally avoiding Keith and Allura to differentiate from the original show, but that's about it.

>Lets avoid using the robot (THE REASON PEOPLE WATCH THE FUCKING SHOW) as much as possible and do boring relationship garbage instead!

That's the biggest reason why I dropped this show early on. What's the point of making a reboot for Voltron if the mecha barely gets used?

>Same thing that happened with Korra. They tried to please their loudest, most obnoxious fans, and make a huge spectacle.

As numerous people have said, you're out of your Goddamn mind if you think they did much to please ANY fans. They gave Shiro a husband in the end. That was about it for them actually making an effort to please fans, and it made NO dent in the quality one way or another.

The great big massive problems with the show had ZERO to do with "pleasing fans," get the fuck out of here with that shit.

>>Lets avoid using the robot (THE REASON PEOPLE WATCH THE FUCKING SHOW) as much as possible and do boring relationship garbage instead!

What show did you watch? They didn't use the robot OR do relationships. They did stupid space magic, and dull space marine shit. And, like... clone Shiro.

If they'd done either solid interpersonal dynamics OR cool robots, it might've saved the show from the other problems. But no, mere episodes from the end Keith was going "are we even friends to the whole team?" and the answer is a firm "ehhhhh...."

I think the problem was that it paid enough lip service that the Klancers became unbearable

I ain't even a Star Wars fanboy. I like it casually and thought TLJ was hot garbage.

Yeah, that guy. Couldn't even be arsed to keep the names straight with how much I wanted to forget it. Only Pidge and Hunk turned out adequately.

Same. Not to spite fans but to be "different."

then you have regular shit taste

I just want to say I have nothing but the purest contempt for any person who uses relationship nicknames.

at most, the actual staff did some "we're not shooting down shippers' dreams" stuff in interviews. be honest with yourself, Klancers needed no help with being unbearable.

Stay mad, Rian.

Lauren and Joaquim specifically said Klance was never going to happen before S2 even came out. Shipfags convinced themselves the EPs were lying and started memes about it.

TLJ was shit though., only decent scene was the throne fight and only on the first watch.

And then on the second watch
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Skip to 4:13

They didn't learn anything from the Avatar guys. Remember LoK Season 2? That's what happens when you listen to fans.

If nothing else, it definitively proved that Star Trek "bumps on head, but a interesting cultures" aliens are way better for a show than "creatively designed visually, utterly lacking in culture" aliens.

This whole show had the visuals driving the writing and not the other way around. It's why it sucked. They came up with cool looking scenes at the expense of plot and character development.

>what happened
They killed the only black Allura for a reason that made 0 sense, they replaced all team interaction/affection/bonds with cardboard cutouts that screamed as they did roboshit, they made the main villain unsympathetic to the audience as the source of all evil and pain in the universe who somehow was the only one allowed a truly happy ending, they replaced their best character shiro with another cardboard cutout who went from team leader, galra champion and valued friend to someone who does nothing when his best friend gets held at gunpoint and then goes down from one kick to watch a bunch of alteans try to blow up his ship, and they forced in a gay wedding that they self-admitted just existed to pander while pissing off every single shipper about it, people who hate gays, and a good chunk of gays themselves who saw it for the pathetic brownie point grab it was after they did a press lap patting themselves on the back for blowing up Shiro's 'boyfriend' who could have easily been dismissed as a roommate had they not said out of show that they were romantically involved

There's more those are just off the top of my head oh yeah the Ezor shit too

>They listened to fans

They absolutely did not. The first "season" aired in 2016, the last episodes were up in 2018. They literally didn't have time to incorporate fan feedback (aside from slap-on shit like Shiro's husbando and the last minute Ezor-esurrection).

Honestly, the fact that they did 72 episodes and the final eps had to be pretty much in production before the first eps aired?

I think you could make a good argument that THAT'S why the creators shat the bed. They spent a ton of time fine-tuning the early stuff, and were hurrying to do the other "seasons" before they had time to even get a handle on what was working and what wasn't.

Sheith was so fucking hot, Klance retards truly did ruin a miracle.

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The writers also confirmed that Axca hooked up with Lance's Sister Veronica

I know Yea Forums is full of cinemasins-tier brainlets but this is a disgrace

Why is it that being around Lotor that makes women gay

Going to hyperspace lets you kamikaze crash into a much larger target and atomize it.
This move was never used in a previous Star Wars movie because every character in every Star Wars movie up until Holdo was actually a retard.

Damn, Keith got cucked.

Please, Keith would need to have gonads to get cucked. You couldn't get his heart beating fast with high voltage.

They had their episode count at the beginning and they still didn't plan ahead. Sometimes I wish writers were more paranoid and had eight back up plans

>the robot is cgi
eww

He got one of the most emotional episodes in the whole show.

Never forget how Hunk and Lance were (implied) childhood friends but their entire friendship was nerfed. Love it or hate it, Keith and Shiro are the only ones who got substantial friendship establishment. And the show suffered because of it.

Good. Fuck Kacxa.

user former staff flat out said they rewrote season 7 and 8. The reason they had time to slap that shit on is because it wasn't even done yet. Plus look back at interviews and you can tell how far along they are based on the lines they reference. Also animation is done after VA

Sauce cuz that's hilarious. Also the irony of Lance's sister getting with Keith's love interest instead of Klance.

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Stock transformation footage

First episode aired in 2016, last one aired in 2018.

I don't see how in God's Green Earth anyone can think that was enough time for them to make significant changes based on "Trying to pander to fans," or even get a good feel for what parts were working with fans and what weren't.

They had time to do some rewrites and fixes, but purely from lead-in time needed for animation, they had to be trying to put together the ending right at the start. They didn't have the smallest team on this, but you're still looking at a couple months animation per episode, and there was about 40 episodes that aired in 2018 alone.

They threw around the "season" term very easily, but realistically it was "on air" for two and a half years, and required heavy lead-in time Because Animation.

There just wasn't room for them to do a significant amount of tinkering based on fan feedback.

A cautionary tale of making characters fags for no reason other than to pander to a group that is 4% of the population, tops.

At least they kept Pidge a girl.

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It's a sign that they wanted to deliver on Klance but then execs forced them not to.

You can always tell a show is bad if there are multiple large scale shipping wars.Sure any show will see a little bit of shipping, many will see main girl x protag vs other. But when shit is coming from every direction, show will nearly always be bad.

For that to happen you need a lot of different ideas, drama, minor interactions etc but not a lot of conclusion or anything solid. Fan fiction breeds fastest in the cracks. If the character isn't confirmed straight he can easily be gay, well he flirted once but bi is a thing. If there is an underlying romantic sub plot that can be ignored, it will probably end with them not getting together. If that shit gets dragged out for a few seasons that gives you years to theorise of how it won't work out and your ship will actually come about. While if the romance starts early, gets well developed and maybe even turns into a real relationship mid way through the show it all becomes a bit harder. Less cracks to fill, your ship wasn't able to pick up steam before getting crushed. You can keep trying, but it is always going to have a lower appeal when it so clearly can't happen. If the story and characters are so tightly developed it really only leaves room for stuff after or before if you want to get your shipping on. Unless the shippers had a good time of denial to get themselves going they will have a hard sell. But if your show is a sloppy mess, ideas and intentions all over the place like a spur of the moment explosion. That leaves a load of room for the shippers.

Not in response to fans though. They rewrote shit because they kept fighting with the suits over which way they wanted the show to go and we ended up with a compromise that made neither group happy except for Montgomery loving the part where Allura died for no good reason.
A big chunk of outrage is over Allura's bullshit sacrifice which has nothing to do with the gay stuff.

Because they're mad about Allura straight shipping.

They should've killed Keith. It would have been worth it for the salt alone.

Now that would've been a good way to subvert expectations.

Keith and Lance barely interacted after the first season and the showrunners confirmed they wouldn't get together but that didn't stop them. Usually you'd be right but in this case show quality has nothing to do with it.

Voltron was an odd duck in this regard, I would argue.

The fandom came heavily from people who had seen Korra (which had love triangles), which in turn came from Avatar (which had romances... not triangles, just Sokka in love with Yue then Suki, Zuko loving Mai, and Aang with Katara).

The fanbase showed up going "where's the ships?"

MEANWHILE, IN THE WRITERS ROOM...: "God, I am so sick of shippers."
"Wanna make a show that has, like... no fucking romance in it? I'm talking a baseline acknowledgement that some people fall in love, but giving no real screentime to that and at absolute most one blink-and-you-miss-it romance between the main cast?"
"God yes."

They literally said in interviews that they weren't making a show which would have much romance in it, and people ignored the fuck out of that. I'm not making excuses for the show being shitty, but I think it's worth noting that they inherited a fanbase used to relationships in shows, and that ran face-first into a show that didn't have anything much in terms of relationships. Like shoving a burning torch into water, you're going to get a face full of unpleasantness.

Explaining everything that went wrong with VLD would require mutiple full-length posts. In short, the show's suffered from multiple major rewrites, production issues, executive meddling, and showrunner incompetence.
One of the major things, from my perspective, is that LM and JDS, the showrunners, were given the task to reboot a mecha series, and decided to just make Avatar in space.
There's only so much that you can change about a franchise's formula before you end up breaking it. OG Voltron is ultimately a mecha series with an episodic story. VLD is basically a regular action series with a strictly serialised format.
Now, I believe that Voltron, with all of its numerous faults, managed to construct a tighter and more coherent narrative in 52 episodes (more than half of which are self-contained stories) than VLD did in 78 episodes.
And keep in mind, you can watch most of OG Voltron's episodes in a random order, and it makes little to no difference. VLD should, at least in theory, have been able to tell a better story because of its serialised format and slightly more mature style. But it ended up having more convenient writing and puzzling plot developments than the original, which was literally a shoddy edit of a mediocre mecha anime.

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It's mostly this. A huge amount of the shipping drama came from people who actually wanted more Korra relationship drama. The show could've been incredible and the shippers would've still blown their gasket over Keith and Lance not being Korrasami 2.0.

The show dropped the ball early on and I was pointing this out since season one, where it obvious someone outside the writers had control and convinced them not to kill off Shiro, because someone from the top was a huge fan. This lead to numerous writing problems that can be easily seen in the show. One specific example is Keith having nothing to do, because it was clear he was supposed to replace Shiro's role as lead, but Shiro ain't dead, so Keith is wasted space.

That being said, fuck Lance and his fans. Lance was a bland character that many fans for some reason latched on to like a parasite. Lance should have been hated, because the cringe loved obsessed failed romantic that shits on every female he sees, but fans saw something that wasn't there. They projected what they wanted Lance to be instead of what he was. Seriously, Lance isn't full of hateful, self-loathing angst, but according fanon, he is. He's the Draco Malfoy of Voltron, where fans just project what they want onto characters bland enough to fulfill that purpose.

This. I'm not gonna deny the shows flaws - it had a lot of unrealized potential, a lot of cool set ups, that never were explored, shitloads of cool lore that was never explored, and the existence of Allura as basically a superpowered plot device.

But the fandom was morons coming from two other shows thinking this one would be the same.

The designs are still great though.

The thing is, Shiro was arguably the most popular/recognizable character back then. It's not that some exec wanted to have him on the show because they liked him, but because the fans liked him. But I agree that that's when things started going bad.

Not just Korrasami, there's also people who got into this show because they wanted Keith and Allura to be the new Zutara. Avatar fandom is pure cancer and I fear for Dragon Prince.

The only thing that would've triggered the fagdom worse would be if they added a bit in the epilogue stating that Shiro was sent to anti-gay conversion therapy.

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The decision not to kill Shiro off came way before the show came out. The execs predicted correctly that he'd be popular but it didn't matter if they were right or not. That's why there was that joke in one of the episodes about it.

Voltron had the perfect storm of sexy Studio Mir designs and lots of male characters for the Korra/Avatar fanbase to latch onto in the worst way. I've seen a number of them move on to The Dragon Prince and She-Ra, but let's be honest. Those will never hit Voltron levels of fandom, simply because they're not as nice looking of shows.

I still don't understand why there are such large audiences, mostly female teenagers, that expect romantic relationships in children's cartoons to be a major aspect of the show. They always leave in the end unsatisfied because they don't have their fix, and it just baffles me that these people always returns to cartoons to meet that demand.

These people are aware that there are novels, movies, and even entire TV programs that cater to romantic soap operas they're desperately seeking, right? I'm not crazy for pointing this out to them? Because it's like watching someone only interested in complex political intrigue playing FPS video games when they are better sources in other mediums that can fulfill his/her desire.

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I mean... anime has no fucking problem doing it. Neither do a lot of TV shows. I'm actually siding with the obnoxious female teenager audience here in thinking it's perfectly doable, and frankly embarrassing that Yea Forums has had so much difficulty with it.

Girl and boy aren't sure if they care about one another. Things happen, each thinks the other is dead. Find out everyone is fine, kiss one another, Badda bing, you just did romance, well done. Doing REALLY good romance is hard, but it's fucking easy to do SOMETHING, and we keep fucking up the easy shit.

Still can't believe we got Finn the Human tricking his girlfriend into torturing a brain-addled old man, to get his jollies. dudewht.

Voltron fandom seems to have made a split between those two shows. She-Ra got all the batshit Klancers and gay shippers but little else,while Dragon Prince got the rest, including thankfully the less crazy fans.

>Still can't believe we got Finn the Human tricking his girlfriend into torturing a brain-addled old man, to get his jollies. dudewht.
Wait what?

I wish the two shows had inherited equal percentages. Batshit shippers would at least make Dragon Prince discussions interesting. There's fucking nothing to talk about in the show now except when /pol/ rears its ugly head and discussions about skincolor show up again.

Fuck that show is dull.

>I mean... anime has no fucking problem doing it.
I disagree. As an anime and comic book fan, romance in those medium generally leans towards tolerable to Voltron levels of bad. Wolverine X Jean X Summer was as terrible as Korra X Mako X Asami or Naruto X Sakura X Sasuke. Cartoons and anime are at its best when romance is kept to a minimum.

Yeaaah... that... that was a thing that happened. "Wow, my pants feel happy when I see my girlfriend hurting that guy I know is actually a nice old man with a severe mental problem. I'm gonna trick her into doing it again, so I can keep feeling like this!"

I don't think anyone on Yea Forums saw that one coming.

>How did it all go so wrong?
>Netflix

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>klance fujos also know how to bomb user ratings
oh how shocking

Someone should make a show that's just some character sheets and a few shorts on Youtube. Bet the fujos would love that.

>They had a great budget, the staff were all pros, they were tasked with doing a reboot of a beloved property that had been neglected but still had visual appeal, and for the first few seasons they seemed to have a good handle on shit.
Literally none of this is true

They made a cheap show on a IP that's long since lost its profit generating power, and pretty much no one liked it, and once they lost the demographic they'd been pandering for nearly the entirety of the show there was no one to hide just how mediocre the show was.

You think it should've been higher? Frankly I think 18% was generous...

I don't watch Adventure Time, explain?

>Naruto X Sakura X Sasuke
That's a singularly awful instance of shipping retardation, I don't think I've seen anything as bad in any other anime.

You can't really use that as an example of how things are for most series in general.

>Literally none of this is true

What?
Voltron wasn't huge any more, but was remembered and gets regular pop culture references.
The main staffers had all worked on hit shows before.
Their budget was good. Shit, the animation was pretty well-maintained in quality from start to finish.

What part of that isn't true?

Not even waifushit?

You sure you didn't confuse that for She-Ra?
The animation and voicework was like the sole good thing about the final season.

The Ice King is one of the main "villains" of the series, but at that point the kid protagonist had known for a while that the Ice King was actually a very kindly man that was being kept alive for thousands of years by a mystic artifact that left him confused and crazy.
At the time, Finn was dating a fire elemental, Flame Princess.
Finn watched her attack Ice King (because he was being a dingus), and... I mean... they used euphemisms, and dream imagery, but it was blatant as fuck that what the writers were conveying was "Finn is aroused by seeing his girlfriend beat up Ice King."

Then Finn wanted to feel like that again, and arranged a trick so it would look like Ice King was being a dingus again, so Flame Princess would attack him again.

Eventually she found out and dumped his ass.

This was an actual episode, and a pretty important one since it ended the relationship that had been going on for a few years at that point.

Comics and Cartoons, man.

They already do. It's called gacha and male idol shows.

Logan got over Jean pretty well, especially since she died and all. It's Scott that's the problem. He quit the X-men, went wandering, and literally married a clone of his dead GF because he still didn't get over it. Emma told him his obsession with Jean is what ruined their relationship, and Scott still freaks out when Wolverine called the Jean of their 616-universe "our Jean" like he was the only one that's allowed to say that.

Bleach

That one wasn't anywhere nearly as bad.

>Their budget was good.
It literally wasn't though, it's why they used a lot of the same cost cutting techniques anime does. Whether the animation was good or not is incredibly irrelevant to the cost it took to produce.
>The main staffers had all worked on hit shows before.
That's not the same as them actually being good. Unless we just mean "professional' in the very literal sense of "paid to do that kind of work" which, sure.
>Voltron wasn't huge any more, but was remembered and gets regular pop culture references.
A show making a reference to it doesn't somehow equate to the ability to pull in large amounts of people to actually consume the content

They indulged to the crazy part of fandom that didn't give a fuck about the story or anything other than just two specific dudes.

If they had just ignored them and told their story they probably would have gotten something salvageable.

This is a really melodramatic way of describing it. Finn was a guy who liked violence and Ice King was a magical wizard who spent his days kidnapping women.

The only real moral issue was that Finn was lying to Flame Princess about it, betraying her trust in that way, when he all likelihood he could have probably just asked her to do it.

So if Finn invested into...exotic relationships, all woulda been well?

Ehhhhhhh, at that point Finn definitely knew about Ice King being Simon-mind-controlled-by-the-crown.

It was a bit sketchy of him to be dismissive of the fact that a decent man was trapped in the Ice King's crazy skull, and VERY fucked up for him to arrange for Flame Princess to fry his ass for shits and giggles.

>the budget wasn't good

Let's meet in the middle and say that the budget was good enough to hire Studio Mir, which is Not Too Shabby.

>That's not the same as them actually being good.

Sure, but that's sort of what the thread is about, I guess. The staff had all worked on shows before. Collectively they had to know about things like planning out seasons and characters arcs. "Well they turned out to all be incompetent despite having experience" is the short answer to what went wrong, but it can probably be expanded on.

>It couldn't pull in large amounts of people
Netflix ratings numbers are hard to gauge, but by all accounts this got a good number of people invested. At least some of the folks that showed up had some familiarity with the franchise as a whole. Not a guarantee for popularity, just something making it easier for the staff to not fuck up.

not exotic, especially not for Ooo, Flame Princess was at the very edge of not being evil, like in nearly all of her appearances before her learning to not be evil was a plot point. Asking her to beat up and evil wizard is so completely in her ballpark it literally made no sense, especially in character to be dishonest about that.

Whether magic made him crazy or not doesn't really make the Ice King an okay guy. It wasn't that long before that episode (and after holly jolly secrets) that Ice King stole a bunch of parts of princesses and used them to make a freakish mutant he could try to marry.

Ice King getting his ass kicked isn't really undeserved, pretending he's just an old man is just silly. His character was meant to be a punching bag from the very start of the series. I'm sure we all loved him but making moral judgements about kicking the kidnapper's ass is just dumb.

>They indulged to the crazy part of fandom that didn't give a fuck about the story or anything other than just two specific dudes. If they had just ignored them and told their story they probably would have gotten something salvageable.

Why do retards like you keep telling yourselves that? There was no shipping in the show, and if the staff grinned woodenly at fans and went "any ship is possible at this point!" that has nothing to do with the writing sucking. They didn't indulge the crazy part of the fandom in the writing room. They didn't indulge any part of the fandom in the writing room. In the writing room, they just yelled at one another because they realized they'd written themselves into a corner.

why are guys not autistic about shipping girlXgirl but girls become psycho when its comes to guyXguy

There's plenty of that. The current thread is almost nothing but waifushit.

>I believe that Voltron, with all of its numerous faults, managed to construct a tighter and more coherent narrative in 52 episodes (more than half of which are self-contained stories) than VLD did in 78 episodes.
Fucking this, holy shit.
It is absolutely astounding how a severely edited dubbed show (plus its new exclusive American season) from the 80s makes more sense than with less episodes than VLD.

Someone hasn't spent much time in yuri fandoms.

The reason I ever watched the show was Lotor. Once they did him dirty I stopped caring and never went back.

Nigger that happened before the show even aired. They did that shit for toys and it didn't even go anywhere as they didn't sell well and canceled many concepts.

I mean, fuck, the original DotU had a way how to handle the "not dead character" thing with Sven but the producers went full retard. What was the point of that slipshod clone plot?

yuri discussion on Yea Forums barely exists, yaoi has a general on Yea Forums

Yurifags are fewer in number but the ones who care are notoriously just as insane as the worst fujos.

His opening scene was him going "I will be a different leader, a kind and accepting one, shake my hand and we can walk to a golden future together!" followed by him turning around and going "ship that fucker to Siberia."

Don't know why anyone expected him to not go full fascist when the good guys didn't do whatever he decided was right.

we fucking are not, fuck you.

He literally says the masses are easy to manipulate too. How did him turning out to be evil become so hard to believe?

Then why did his mom get the best end?

Lotor is a bizarre case because they treated him like he was supposed to be morally ambiguous in interviews and most of his scenes are like that, but any chance of that was torched when they introduced him with a line like that. I'm guessing this was another matter of the writers disagreeing in the room and the straightforward villain interpretation winning out in the end.

>Skincolor
>Not earshape
Nobody cares about the niggers, it's all elf hate now

It was pretty garbage desu

Being a kind and accepting leader doesn't automatically equate being a fool, friend. Of course he had that fucker shipped to Siberia. He didn't want to be stabbed in the back later down the line by him.

After all, he could have had him executed outright.

Probably some harebrained feminism message.

Guys are autistic about shipping guyxgirl though

>pulls her actual son out of the rift
>has no visible reaction to him being melted into his chair, uses him as a puppet, and then simply discards him when he's no longer useful
>literally murderer entire realities to steal the family of a different Honerva
>"I just wanted to be with my son!"

Her getting a happy ending disgusted me. Like, actually disgusted me. I've never felt that way towards a cartoon before.

But they killed a brown woman in the process.

It made no sense. They'd established early on that Honerva and Zarkon had been good people - GOOD people, not just decent - and Quintessence had hollowed Honerva out and made her sickly, and then when she and Zarkon went into the rift they got full-blown-corrupted into zombie monsters by Quintessence entities.

How do you put in something basically revealing that parasite creatures are the real big bad and turned the antagonists evil, and then never address it in the final episodes? What? The? Fuck?

Also a harebrained feminist message.

Honerva was never "good". She was absorbed in her work and willing to do whatever it took to reach her end goal.

I can get Honerva going crazy over the loss of her dead family without the need for brainwashing as that had some precedent, even with the sudden shift from FOR SCIENCE to FOR MY LOVED ONES.
But the idea that pre-corruption nice Zarkon is somehow to blame for his corrupted zombie self's crimes is baffling. Best I can come up with is that it's leftovers of some old plot that got changed but they still really wanted to have that scene in anyway.

Since her health went through the shredder, I don't think we were meant to conclude that her obsession was just her being really into science. It certainly looked like they were showing that being around the Quintessence was making her obsessed and fucking up her body, which would fit with how a larger dose turned her into a Quitessence-vampire-zombie with no solid memories except "me wanty Quintessence."

The parasite monsters disappearing from the plot could've been forgiven as a side consequence of their Quintessence addiction and that they became zombified due to the overexposure but then it turned out that Honerva was just a shitty person whose ideals got corrupted by general extremism or something? I don't know.

They didn't make Zarkon the final boss

They didn't even vanish from the plot. One went into Allura.

AND SHE WAS FINE, FOR SOME REASON?!? Why even have the parasite infect her, then? Are we meant to conclude that the parasites don't fuck you up. Because look at Zarkon before and after... I am NOT buying that the parasites don't fuck you up.

Show did okay right up to the last two installments then utterly crapped the bed.

That's the extremely strange part. They were finally making headway with that and leading up to a decent if mediocre conclusion before suddenly everything went completely off the rails after the Children of Light episodes onward. That's not just a mistake caused by ordinary incompetence, something absolutely happened in the writers' room. Feels like the showrunners had a certain idea of how they wanted the finale to go then wrested complete control for the last few episodes.

The story of what the fuck happened in the writing room is something I hope we'll find out one day. It's gotta be interesting. You don't trainwreck like this without some interesting shit going on.

Everything is Shiro's fault

The final villain should have been the giant shadow demon, not honerva.

Honestly, I think they WERE going to do that (see the entire shadow parasite wanting to help allura defeat Honverva by taking the form of lotor), but they were forced to end it and had to rush the ending.

That's my take on it anyways.

It feels like they had two distinct and competing interpretations of the villain trio (cause of evil is internal vs external), hence why it's so schizophrenic. The finale went with the showrunners' personal culpability angle, but not before the other writers somehow slipped a few episodes with the parasite version.

THIS.

Despite being the least memorable villain from the 80s voltron, New Zarkon was fucking badass and the best villain they had.
Lotor was a fucking whiny bitch, and Haggar just relied too much on fucking deus ex machina power ups to work, while Zarkon was fucking 100% badass manliness.

I preferred the villains when they used Numerical advantage and a fuckton of ships to solidify them as a threat, with a couple Robeasts or armors as centerpieces, not "Oh shit, they have NEW MAGIC! We can't beat that!" every encounter like later villains used.
Fuck, Sendak was badass too, he was the only worthy followup to zarkon.

Shiro was the only reason to tune in.

Shiro was boring.

>The final villain should have been the giant shadow demon, not honerva.

Yup

I liked lance. and Pidge was pretty good.

Honestly, the only character I disliked was Keith. Boy was vanilla as fuck, generic broody Shonen progatonist 100200345.

Most of the cast is pretty alright except for Keith and Allura as the two most boring ones, which is why the show went to shit whenever it ramped them up in prominence.

Allura was good whenever something surprised her enough to drop her oh-so-proper pseudo-British-royal shit and react like a normal person. "PIDGE IS A GIRL?!?!?"

As for Keith... I did not care for Keith...

Allura was okay as mission control, but not as an actual pilot team member.
I was actually unhappy they had to follow the original show in putting her on the team, because she worked much better as a "mystical/tech advice from the sidelines" kind of deal.

Zarkon was cool and all, but too much of his motivation devolved into just trying to get the Black Lion back. Which admittedly you could blame on him being a zombie puppet.

Haggar had the setup to be the best villain of the three once she got her true self back by having Zarkon's sense of wicked style but also a real motive in between her direct connection to the space parasites, whatever the Druids' goal was, and being an Altean. The fact that they didn't go with any of this is a big part of why the ending was so disappointing.

>The final villain should have been the giant shadow demon, not honerva.

>original GoLion had the titular robot be an ancient spirit of war that the Space Goddess split apart for being a dick
>VLD could have gone this route
>could have made the Entity be one of Voltron's ancient foes that had been imprisoned in the rift and the entire show was basically a drawn-out kekaiku to get free so he could fuck up Voltron, the SG, and all of creation
>the end could even play out the same, with Voltron and Entity battling in between realities
>when the Entity finally gets destroyed, Voltron realizes through the power of friendship what Space Goddess meant by "don't be a dick"
>Voltron sacrifices himself to restore the destroyed realities
>the Paladins go home and live out their lives as heroes, and the Space Goddess lets Voltron's spirit back into Space Heaven since he learned his lesson

Also Lotor fucks Merla in the ass onscreen or something, I don't know.

Think they'll reboot the series in the future?

All complaining about the last season taking a dumpster dive, I still have fond memories of it and enjoyed the ride mostly; I wouldn't mind seeing another iteration of it, maybe with them learning from fan expectations.

Originally they wanted all of the paladins to sacrifice themselves together with Allura in the end and you know what, if they didn't change anything else besides this I would've found it OK. The entire team being needed to defeat the villain by working together and dying together would be harsh but make more sense than just Allura suddenly having to sacrifice herself because of a thing only she can somehow do.

I forget who Merla was, so she can't have been that important.

Given what they did with the epilogue they're stupid enough that the only thing they'd take home is to pander to shippers for real next time around.
A lot of the basic concepts in this show were fine in theory so I'd take them hiring Mir again and jettisoning the two showrunners for having their heads up their asses.

Stupid altean bitch pilot of one of honerva's giant robots who didn't question Honerva's insane plans until she suddenly started using them all like zerglings vs. Siege tanks and then YEETed herself to help voltron.

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Queen Merla was some crazy warlord bitch that Zarkon married Lotor off to.

It's not impossible, but this is just such a weird scenario. Up to very nearly the end, Legendary Defender was considered a definitive example of how to properly update an older property. And then it just... did that.

There's not many old takes on the franchise (like... Go-Lion and that one shitty cgi show), so a reboot would heavily rehash VLD. I can't think of any time people have been tasked with rebooting a property that was considered pretty good right up until a sudden sharp plunge in quality right at the end.

Maybe some day, but not for a loooong time. Them trying to revisit VLD with a direct-to-Netflix movie and repair some of the damage might be more possible, but I can't imagine people are lining up for that thankless job.

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Transformers is a good example. Not G1 specifically, but its a transformers trend.

Beast wars into beast machines.
Prime into Robots in disguise.
Armada, while not GREAT had its fans, and then its 2 sequels went into the garbage.

Yeah, with Transformers you had the G1 cartoon, and some Japanese stuff, and then the comics were kinda their own thing, and then Beast Wars/Machines came about, and we had the various Japanese series... point being that (1) there's been a lot of takes, so there's a lot of old material to draw on, and (2) those takes have been coming pretty steadily after the original series aired. Similar with TMNT. When the 2012 show hit the air, there'd already been several comic incarnations, the 80s cartoon, the 80s movies, the 2003 cartoon, and the 2007 movie.

With Voltron there was the original series, then a looooong time with fucking nothing, a brief blip CGI show that died in the crib, another looooooong time of fucking nothing, then Legendary Defender.

Not holding my breath for them to reboot Voltron. Damn shame.

But fuck, if I had a genie that only did Voltron-related wishes, I wouldn't wish for a reboot, I'd wish for a non-shitty ending to VLD. One that made sense.

Consensus among all the normies I talked to is that outside the nonsense of the last season the show was quite enjoyable despite its flaws, with the show not having enough robots and Keith's character being annoying as the most common complaints. They mostly like Allura, Shiro and Pidge, and had a lot of good things to say about the mech design and how they'd have bought the figures if they only offered them in the first place. So even the lack of mecha could've been made up for if DW made proper merch for the ones that did appear, and wasn't obsessed at chasing the young boys part of the audience.

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I wonder if there will be a VLD live action movie at any point, since doing 80s cartoons seems to be a big thing nowadays.

It's like the Robotech movie, just vaporware announced to hold onto the license and drum up interest every once in a while.

Fuck I hope not. They couldn't even pull off Power Rangers, and that was an Easy Mode version of Voltron. No space battles or anything.

Game of Thrones wasn't a reboot but it's funny how it went through almost the same reaction curve
>first two seasons well received
>some apprehension for the middle ones but still positive
>peaks again with 6
>heavily mixed opinions for 7
>plunges off a cliff for 8
And for a lot of the same last season writing crimes too
>major characters have sudden changes in personality for no reason besides needing to beeline for the grand finale
>others who spent all this time becoming important are suddenly ignored and useless
>major plot revelations introduced then suddenly forgotten at the last minute
>evil queen who committed atrocities gets let off easy and treated absurdly sympathetically
>corny John Hughes epilogues that are either way too on the nose or make little sense to what they were doing beforehand
>one of the characters is rewarded with something he never asked for but it's treated as if it was his real goal all this time

We should've had Slav hand Shiro a book titled "Voltron: Legendary Defender."

("Actually, you're not in it.")

>Shiro, do you take random background character to be your husband?

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I felt like naming her Merla was a waste and the EPs trying to appease fans who wouldn't stop asking about her.
They should have just made Axca Merla since the beginning. Their biggest mistake was the constant shilling of their OCs no one cared about.

I really feel they did Keith all sorts of wrong in VLD. It's like they hated OG Keith or something.

I don't think they hated him so much as they took inspiration from all the wrong places and didn't realize he came off as less sympathetic than they intended.

They essentially gave Dotu's Keith's old moxie to Shiro.

And Keith got the original Lance's hotheadedness.

Allura kind of forgot about the Entity.

And Lance for Lauren's self esteem issues

Keith feels like he was written by a Sasuke fan.

I didn't like new keith much, but I felt him and Lance fighting in S1-2 was entertaining as a decent party mechanic.

Because he's pretty, anons, and that's all that matters.

>Fuck, Sendak was badass too, he was the only worthy followup to zarkon.

Good taste.

It's possible. It's not gonna happen any time soon. Everyone sperged out hardcore and the comics are cancelled too, not that many of us were reading them anyway.

If they reboot it, it'll be in ten years or so, it won't be anytime soon, because people still manage to reeee about the show today.

I wonder how much of it had to do with the company merger.

This show has great art assets, setting, lore etc.

But it meanders and tries to do too many things.

There is no sense of escalation past season 2, no tension like anime.

And it doesn't do a good job of getting you invested in the characters, like a western cartoon.

It comes off vapid and shallow and can't compete with the plethora of similar show available thanks to internet streaming.(which we didnt have in the 80s)

Voltrons only purpose is as a gateway mechanime.

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REEEE is the response the show deserves. You don't hit the ball out of the ballpark, stroll around first second and third base, the drop your pants and shit yourself unconscious mere steps away from home base and expect people to ever again look at you the same way.

Ah, that's right, Lions Forge got bought out/merged with something, didn't it? That's possibly it. Whatever caused it, I saw people celebrating how "the evil has been defeated" all the same.

So yeah, there won't be a reboot any time soon. If they do anything, it'll be a live action movie based on the 80s version.

Oni Press, who laid off almost everything Lion Forge owned, even the popular stuff.

It's hilarious how so much of the ending would've been solved if they sacrificed the robot (which they've actually foreshadowed in the past as having these kinds of powers) instead of it having to be Allura herself.

The fucking lions just floated away anyway at the end, so they may as well have. Fuck what a clusterfuck of incompetence.

Oh, I didn't know it was Oni Press. Last comics I saw from Lions Forge were some "queer" comics or some shit.

The only thing close to foreshadowing they had for Allura having to use blood magic in the ending was maybe that one line in the magical White Lion realm about giving up your life for knowledge, which is basically on the same level of Mad Queen Dany "foreshadowing".

>Cartoon trying to go for the awful anime fandom that tries being an anime is shit like a current anime
Wow, coloured me surprised.

Literally everything about Acxa makes zero sense, even if they went with the original plan to kill off Hunk and replace him with her when she's the most cardboard out of all the many donut steels they could've picked. So naming her Merla would've at least justified her otherwise pointless existence as shoutout to the old show. Actually, a lot of the useless side characters would've benefited from being named after people from the original series. I'd tolerate the Earth students a lot better if they just named them after Vehicle Voltron characters.

Because you can't make a bold feminist statement with robot lions.

I genuinely worry about the mental health of anyone that thinks they were trying to go that route. They were desperate and went "uh... allura magics everything away, but we need some tragedy for this to be considered a good ending so she dies in the process. Whew, done!"

At least Garrett wasn't in this shitshow.

It sounds stupid but that's the official answer.

Not everything has to be a deliberate act to spite you salty Kallura fans.

I remember Lauren saying she put a lot of herself into Keith. It wouldn't surprise me if he was another case where she truly believed what she was doing was deep and epic.

I'm only talking about Keith. I don't give a fuck about Allura. Calm your goddamn tits.

Regardless, the idea that they did anything to spite old fans instead of it being regular bad writing is a bunch of conspiratorial hogwash.

I wasn't even saying it as a way to spite the oldfans but rather the character itself. Not everything has to be personally to the fans. No one blowing anything out of proportion until you started accusing me of being a Kallurafag.

Spite for the old fans, spite for the old character, basically the same shit. With the exception of their statements on Lotor, believing they did anything out of spite for the new characters and their fans is also a likely sign of retardation.

Don't turn this into /vld/, Satan. Just leave it at that and quit getting triggered so easily.

for anyone that isnt trigger happy and want to keep talking with some sane /vld/ folk
discord.gg/QvA9e39

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Have sex

ITT: Confirmation bias and retroactively justified irrational hatred

The show started strong, got a little weedy in the middle, and ended strong.
Move on. There's not going to be any more. It's over now. If you didn't like it, you're free, and if you liked it, there's nothing that can happen to change that.
Why are we still talking about this? This isn't even a Korra-style
>"What can we learn from this dumpster fire?" style autopsy,
it's literally
>The characters I wanted together didn't get together, this means the show was fundamentally flawed!
Like, holy entitlement, man.

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>The show started strong, got a little weedy in the middle, and ended strong.

I think seasons five, six, and seven were strong, but eight was the weakest one alongside four. The shift to focusing on Allura just wasn't that interesting to me, but I've never been fond of her. I was looking forward to Honerva as a villain, but the execution was just strange. The Alteans were too quickly washed over, as well as Honerva's redemption. And the action, overall, just wasn't nearly as engaging as it was in season seven for me. I did like that little bit of alternate universes we saw though.

I agree that Voltron does attract unnecessary butthurt and irrational hatred though.

Even if you changed who got together at the end that wouldn't cancel out all other the bizarre turns of events that took place in the last season and especially the last four episodes. It doesn't justify the hatred of the seasons that came before it, now that is irrational, but 8 did have a lot of problems that weren't quite as bad in previous ones, and it did make choices which shit on the developments of the previous seasons in retrospect by making them seem meaningless.

Have any tumblr lancefags done any cringey shit recently?

Just the usual whitewashing fanart allegations

I saw Twittershits sperging out on an Asian artist for "whitewashing" Lance and Allura. It was a classic case of retards not understanding how lighting works.

>and ended strong.

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>ended strong

Allura: "I forgot to mention it until now, but I'm powerful enough to rebuild an entire multiverse from scratch. COUNTLESS whole REALITIES. I can just wiggle my ears and create them. I'm kinda a god."

Keith: "Huh. Would've been nice if you'd used a fraction of that power back when people were shooting at us."

Allura: "Slipped my mind."

Just a thought, the way Allura talked about the Lions and paladins in the early seasons made me think they had a long history with many different paladins piloting them over the years. Turns out our protagonists were only the second team to pilot them, and that the first team only did it for a few years

>ended strong
lol wat?

People still would've hated the ending even if they'd given us one of the main ships because of what happened with Lotor and Allura's death.

Lancefags are honestly the most baffling fandom I've seen pop up in years.
What exactly is it about such a mediocre fuckboy of a character like Lance that attracts such autism amongst tumblrites of all people? He's the most boring and hetero out of the cast and probably has the easiest life out of all of them and the fandom is obsessed with giving his character all these attributes that aren't even there. Why?

Since I didn't care about shipping, I thought the show ended just fine. Too fine. Would have liked to see humanity go and wipe out the Galra, but that's not what the show was about. I liked that they kept getting new villains instead of being a rinse-repeat monster-of-the-week series. Things progressed throughout and had a definite ending instead of another "but wait, here's the REAL villain" asspull.

>season eight
The fuck? Hasn't this show only been on for like three years?

I don't think that was ever really the implication. More that, in that situation, she could undo what had been done to restore the universes. It's not like it was something she could do outside of those particular circumstances.

I think she just pulled a Zelda from BotW

Seven was weak shit. Atlas jobbed and continued to job.

You're seriously defending that shit by saying "well under those exact circumstances she could rebuild a multiverse"?

The lack of monster of the week was good becaus they tried it for a while and it didn't work but it feels like they went the opposite way for Honerva. They were so desperate to have an epic touching finale that it fell flat on its face and dragged everything down in the process.

Jews, blacks, women, and gays, in that order?

You're the first human being I've met that thought that the ending was fine "aside from the shipping."

At least I assume you're human. Can't be sure, because I'd like to think that the average homo sapien could look at that asspull deus ex machina unsatisfying horseshit ending and go "that's not fine at all."

Remember how they split everyone up at the end of season 1, just to have them rejoin 2 episodes later. What a huge disappointment

Eh. They were never going to stay away for long. We just needed to see what kind of things they'd be capable of solo, and we got a little of it. Pidge's all-alone bit was the best, although she hit the jackpot with a safe location.

No they didn’t

I knew that one wasn't going to last long because they already spent the first season splitting people up and weren't likely to do it again.

The only people I know who liked the ending are the kind of people who'd lick the sweat from the showrunner's taints. Even people who didn't hate the season on the whole hated the ending part of it.

Didn't it add a bunch of diversity shit and gay people? I was gonna get into it since I loved 80's Voltron, but passed when I heard about how it had big time gay.

Nope. They acted like they did though. Instead we just got a vague breakup and the show ending on a homo kiss that nobody liked because it was pandering bullshit that came out of nowhere but otherwise nothing.

>Didn't it add a bunch of diversity shit and gay people?

No.
The original had Sven, Keith, Lance, Pidge, Hunk, and Allura, with Sven dying a bit in. This version kept Sven around (renaming him Shiro) and making him gay, but gay on the downlow... we only got proof when the series was about over.

Beyond that, the diversity was... I dunno, some of their skintones were a bit darker? I'm not sure the show even said what ethnicity they were. That's about fucking it.

It's not as gay as tumblr would lead you to believe.

Allura is brown now and that's it.
Lance is Cuban now and Hunk is Samoan but they were already brown in DotU/Golion.

Shiro being gay was too forced. I don't have an issue with him being gay, have him hit on a few guys or some shit, that's cool.

Just having a random ass nobody kissing shiro for the final shot is just a random "GAY GOOD! GAY GOOD!" attempt at SJW cred, and is forced and breaks the narrative.

It'd be like if the series ended with a scene of Lance fucking 10 alternate timeline alluras and going "And lance found true happiness"

Tumblrites really love inept, insecure twinks without any real talent or accomplishments; they've done something similar with another (but much better) vaguely Lance-like character. Guess it's the only character type those people can self-insert into.

To elaborate on what this user said.

The showrunners put almost NO relationships in the show. No straight ones, no gay ones, virtually nothing.

Near the end they said in interview that they were going to reveal that one of the main characters was gay, and had a boyfriend, and they expected fans to like it. Folks should have suspected that this was a weird thing to say, since, again... the show had treated relationships like they were the invention of aliens.
Well the character's boyfriend was revealed in a flashback, and flashback boyfriend died immediately, killed in battle.
Understandably, people were pissed. I don't have a ton of sympathy for people that expected gay characters to get special "not killable in war" immunity, but it sucks ass that that the showrunners made a big deal over Shiro having a boyfriend when they knew that said boyfriend would be Mr. Dies-as-he-shows-up.
To try and stem the backlash, the staff literally called one of the animators back and they had a static image drawn of Shiro marrying a random dude, which they shoved into the final episode as part of a series of static images showing the cast moving on with their lives.

It was a pathetic attempt at saving face, and the sad thing is that it wasn't remotely the shittiest thing in the ending. Not even top 10.

The ending was just unimaginably bad. Like someone had written what seemed to be a good essay and handed it in to their professor, but instead of a conclusion paragraph they just started listing racial slurs. "How did you even fuck up that badly?" bad.

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>they've done something similar with another (but much better) vaguely Lance-like character.

Who, user? Say who you're thinking of. Who?

It better not be the fucking Onceler.

Bella Swan syndrome. Girls who want relatability self insert as him and girls who want a blank slate power fantasy self insert as Allura.

Which is a shame because I think Lance is a fun character but none of them care about that side of him and in fact they'll REEEEEEEE about disrespecting his character if you do bring it up.

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He seems to be a favorite of the animators at least.

They self insert because they identify with Lance's mediocrity and self-esteem issues and add on all those positive attributes to him in an effort to protect their own egos.

The dumb thing is, I could probably forgive the ending if they put in enough spectacle to make up for it, but it wasn't even particularly nice to look at. The final fights were all really undrwhelming and stilted especially compared to the previous season, and instead we got a lot of static shots with people yelling about how all of existence is under attack and about ot get wiped out. Shiro didn't even put up a struggle against the Alteans which is stupid considering he's the guy who consistently fights the hardest and the best out of all of them. Did they run out of fight budget money? The fight with the ghosts of the old paladins was the only impressively animated moment they had all season.

>Did they run out of fight budget money?
I mean... yeah, it's possible?

Bear in mind, they got the funding for all 70+ episodes in one chunk, and got to decide where to put it. Now, I can't imagine they'd be so stupid as to not make sure each season had roughly the same amount of funding, but... they might've dropped the ball somewhere shifting things around and going "well this one doesn't ~really~ need a lot of animated fights..."

Honestly though, I thought everything from Earth onward was where the show started sucking. Everything on Earth was DULL visually, trying so hard to look like something that a U.S. military might one day morph into that they didn't ask themselves "who the fuck wants to see yet another futuristic US military instead of SPACE KNIGHTS?"

We lost a space castle with warpgates in favor of the U.S.S. Brown Brickship.

Nah, it's a Yea Forums character. Prompto.

I thought the Earth segments looked pretty nice actually, especially the sleek Gundam-esque pilot suits. Only real complaint is the overuse of orange, and not a particularly nice shade. It fit the tone of the story. Season 8 had a problem with them going back to the colorfulness and space setting but keeping the drab and dour tone once they lost their reason for it of a devastated Earth on the verge of destruction, which also makes for a way more reasonable conflict than vaguely ending existence.

That whiny fucker? People self insert as him?

I don't even understand. Lance is my favorite because he's funny, annoying and probably the most motivated and threedimensional character of the whole cast. But what I've seen from other fans is how they don't care for any of his personality traits. Even though he's the most blatantly straight character in the show they act as his relationship with Keith isn't a friendly rivalry but a fucking romance? I feel so gaslighted.

I liked the military stuff, because it always felt like the show was itching to take the space opera in a more gritty direction instead of sticking to fantasy and now they finally got to go all out. Main problem was with the choice to focus so much on the donut steels over the characters that mattered, even though nobody was given a good reason to care about them until after they stopped being relevant.

He's a goofy jokester who's really dumb but also well meaning, found his niche as a marksman, and really cares about his family. He's an asshole to Keith at first but quickly learns to drop it and besides he basically forgets about him after a certain point. All of that is great character material that they just ignore in favor of stock "relatability" that doesn't really exist.

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He's the one who looks closest to a Tumblr stereotype character.

>a bunch of diversity shit
Allura is black (and the most powerful creature in the universe)
Pidge is an Italian girl (and the smartest creature in the universe)
Sven is a disabled Asian gay
Lance is a mestizo
Hunk is Afro-Samoan
Keith is a mixed race asexual emo
Coran is a redhead clown
Romelle is a dumb blonde

>I loved 80's Voltron, but passed
I think this isn't a bad decision.

Who the fuck makes an action show and decides the last season should have the fewest good action sequences? The ending deserves all of its hate for that reason alone.

Besides Allura and Shiro (original Sven makes a cameo though), and Lance losing his mullet, they're actually more accurate to the original Golion designs than any of the other sequels. Lance's outfit and nose was also originally supposed to be closer to the original too.

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Also a pair of ambiguous lesbians that nobody even cares about

Yes.

Sorry for my shit taste.

If you watch the show and let it end at season 6 and pretend everyone made it home safely then you've watched through everything that matters watched all the stuff that matters. They had two perfectly good places to end the show on instead of the one it did.

I forgot to mention Lotor's minions who are all women and lesbian, based on what we witnessed.

Yeah. That came out of nowhere. I expected he was surrounded by chicks because, y'know, harem. But no?

Two of them are. One died, and the other gets some yuri teasing because JDS apparently thought it was hot or something.

They needed something for those characters to do after the original epilogue was canned. If they stuck to the original plan they probably would've gone their separate ways.

>they're actually more accurate to the original Golion designs
They're basically the recycled cardboard of AtlA and LoK in differen clothes

the only girls attracted to Keith would have to be lesbians anyway
He has his mom for companionship I guess?

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>They needed something for those characters to do after the original epilogue was canned.
Do we know what all was in this?

It says more about how wild the other designs diverged.

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What the main characters did afterward was going to be left ambiguous, so no epilogues/timeskip and presumably Allura coming back quickly was going to be left more open. It'd focus on things like what the minor characters were doing and one example they gave was Zethrid becoming a fitness instructor (probably without Ezor, maybe with Acxa), rather than joining the BoM.

I know it's late but I hate your kind with a passion

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