Is there any chance of him getting the spotlight?

Is there any chance of him getting the spotlight?

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No cuz hes a Dr Strange ripoff

Bad bait

Seems unlikely. He really hasn't been popular in decades, and I can't name a single one of his villains or storylines.

A good writer could reboot him and turn him into something interesting, but really any magical problem you would come up with for Doctor Fate would probably be more interesting as a Zatanna storyline instead, as she is actually a recognizable hero and less explicitly powerful than Fate is.

Magic is already really hard to write around in comics because it sucks all of the tension out of the room, because you know that the hero can solve most problems with just a single spell. Fate has really powerful magic, so coming up with problems that are worthy of his time is harder and are by nature going to end up being kind of repetitive. There is only so many times you can fight gods and demons before you start retreading ground. Which puts Fate into a weird situation where he is a powerhouse, but not actually very interesting as a result.

Curse

FPBP

From context I am guessing you think thats a Fate villain I should have heard of, but I'm only like 60% sure of that.

Id like to see him in Shazam 2

It's really hard to spotlight him, as the character concept was broken in the 40s, then got even further derailed to the point that Fate-centric stories aren't even about Dr. Fate, but the helmet.

Originally he was portrayed as a mysterious, sinister, phantom-like figure who we never saw with his helmet off, was contemptuous of humanity except for Inza, was shown to have mastered ancient sciences that merely resembled magic, and was shown to not have to eat food and once described himself as a creation of the elder gods who was never human, never a child, and had all sorts of rivalries with various ancient deities. It was really eerie, Lovecraftian and ahead of it's time for the early 40s.

Then they ruined it by revealing he was a human named Kent Nelson who was trained by a wizard named Nabu. Then they had him wear a half-helmet, become an actual medical doctor, and turned him into a generic superhero. Roy Thomas later retconned this to be that Nabu was controlling Nelson with the helmet (the real source of the power) which is why he changed it, and since then, most Fate stories have revolved around who wears the helmet (at one point it was a mother and son who combined into one being, then a thief who forged the helmet into a dagger). And when that isn't the focus, he's just used as a generic sorcerer hero, mainly because he's been around so long and was in the JSA. You could probably use Prince Ra-Man or Sargon the Sorcerer just as well in the same roles and it would make no difference.

I like Dr. Fate, really. It's just that all the helmet crap, like Hawkman's continuity, has made it hard to go back to the simplicity of the early stories and even harder to get into.

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Wotan, Ian Karkull, Nergal, Mr. Who and The Fish Men of Nyarl Amen are Fate villains who occasionally see use (though in Mr. Who's case it's usually as a joke, he's just a generic mad scientist who for some reason was pushed big back in the 40s) and have potential, but most writers usually just have him fight typical DC magic-themed villains or nobody Monsters of the Week. Karkull did appear in Superman: TAS, although he was portrayed as a Cthulu-ian shadow monster.

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'sup ladderbro

Sadly, only comic book fans would know this. Misterio will forever be known by most of the planet as a unhappy Stark lackey and as far as most anyone is concerned, the Marvel universe - villain and hero alike - revolves around Iron Manlet.

Like what, a solo movie? No. He might make a roster in a team movie if they go that route. He's a character normies might vaguely recognize since he's popped up here or there (cartoons, Injustice, etc), but they know nothing about him beyond he's a wizard, if that.

His apex would probably be a CW show where the previous Fate's daughter finds her dead dad's helmet and becomes the new Dr. Fate while juggling school and boys.

Similar problem to Hawkman. Name one good Fate solo story? Who's his supporting cast? His locale? What's Kent Nelson's personality. Would the movie be set in the 1940's?

It's DC's fault, all these characters from the 1940s, and yet we only know so much about them. Tell me some trivia on Dr. Mid-Nite?

But don't worry, they got another 12 Batman books coming!

He is very, very OP.
Now, that normally isn't a problem, if we take someone like Superman, with a large supporting cast and known stories that writers can draw from to create new stuff, like a movie. But Dr Fate doesn't have that.
So, you're left with three potential stories.
1)A general magic team doing magic stuff. Zee and co. They ask Fate to help, he doesn't help, because he only saves the cosmic balance and not small threats. He appears at the end as a deus ex machina, to save everyone.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing. Imagine being shown Kent having the problems of being someone who knows he's not supposed to save everyone, even if he has the power for it. Have him talk to other heroes about his responsibilities/pains, the distinction between maintaining the fate of the universe and saving every single person.
It can lead to a good moment, where the main baddie either completes his ritual to be super OP, or kills some random civilians he has put in magic traps as bait. Heroes decide to save the innocents, letting the villain become OP. Because they always protect innocents and also, they know from their talk with Kent that once the baddie gets too OP, Fate will appear to slap his ass.
2)New Fate getting powers. It can work, but essentially, it's a very standard and very non-fate story.
3) Actually a Dr Fate focused story. Well, it can happen. If you can have a writer capable of doing high fantasy and cosmic psychedellic fuckery well. Which you can't. Not everyone is DeMatteis.

>can't name stories and villains
villains: Mordo, Wotan, Curse, Tphoon, Lords of Chaos

Here. An user once screencapped my post.

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Zatanna and Shazam could be a good supporting cast

Bump

>entire film is actually the heroes helping the villain along secretly so that he'll get sloppy thinking he's got it in the bag
>the big moment is Fate cockblocking the villain long enough for the other heroes to wreck his plans

I like what they did to Dr. Fate in The Brave and the Bold #30. He saves Hal's butt and comes to terms with his own fate. This is one of my all time favorite issues, Straczynski did a grat job setting the tone.

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If we do end up with a Black Adam movie, set in ancient Egypt, he would fit in there as Nabu.
Worked in JSA. We also had Katar Hol as Prince Kufu.
There's your team right there.

With Fate as Nabu

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Fateanon here. Didn't know this. This is brilliant. Love you. Reading it.

Who the fuck even is Doctor Fate these days?

The Egyptian kid? Maybe? His own fucking run couldn’t decide if he was Fate or if Kent Nelson was.

It was Kent, until Nabu went mad. Now JLDark will search for a new Fate, which we don't know who is. Khalid (the egyptian) was an apprentice, but fate no more. In Doomsday clock, it seems to be Kent again.

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Did he fall or pass out

I think he's drained/exhausted. He doesn't get fully unsconscious, just weak.

Would’ve been funnier if he fell

So exactly how powerful is Fate anyway? Is he somewhere around Superman level or is he strong enough to do crazy shit like beat entire pantheons of gods by himself?

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This guy gets it

Holy shit thank you

Depends. His upper limit is definitely reality bending, and one time he fused the lords of order and chaos together. That’s probably why they switch up who has the helmet so much, justifies lowering the power levels.

He can walk between the different universes because he is the only fate

What does he do.

Whatever the plot demands

Everything

Yes.

As much as Fate himself is a bit of a blank character to most writers and readers he ties into the cosmic multiversal struggle of the lords of order and chaos. So do three or four other characters DC is pushing right nownand more can be integrated.

Nah, I don't think so

I know you're memeing, but you have a good point. The public at large has already been pretty heavily exposed to Dr. Strange. If Fate gets a movie, he's going to be endlessly called a Strange ripoff just because they're both wizards.

What fate demands.

Most likely to be changed to a black guy.

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I prefer the glove look

nope

not even a show on CW or the failed DC Universe streaming service

also this but that really goes for every DC character at this point

>be the most powerful character in DC
>nobody knows how to write you so you’re relegated to the sidelines all the time

Or he turns evil

Or he is shoved to a newbie

The possibilities are endless!

Just like Martian manhunter

kino

Not all. If anything they’d change him to be Arab or something. Which isn’t entirely out of character

Just call him 'Doctor Iron Strange' and sit back.

>is he strong enough to do crazy shit like beat entire pantheons of gods by himself?

Closer to that, yeah.

Beyond the gods there are the Lords of Order and of Chaos and Nabu the Wise is one of the former.

>most powerful character in DC

lol

Well, he's the most powerful magic user and magic is canonically a lot more OP at DC than Marvel.

I mean he could turn Superman into a frog if he were so inclined. Maybe even Captain Marvel.

Although probably not Doctor Manhattan.

He definitely has an argument as the most powerful human in DCverse. He's nowhere near the top of the chain with regards cosmic entities and the like.

>literally controls everyone’s fate and has held the destruction of the universe back with his bare hands
>not powerful

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>I can't name a single one of his villains or storylines
That's never even stopped a character from getting a movie
Plus if you can't name at least one good Fate run you must be pretty casual

To be fair there’s only one or two Fate runs everyone agrees is good.

I'd raise that to, 3-4, if you really mean good and not great.

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Fair point. God, I wish we had another DeMatteis-tier Fate run.

He’s a weird character because he needs a host to do anything so a lot of his stories tend to focus on his hosts even though they’re irrelevant and have no powers.

Fate is , ideally, the merged being with a middle/new personality that is neither Nabu nor the host. If it's just Nabu, it means the host has given up on life (Kent after Inza died) and if it's just the host, it means Nabu is weakened.

Still. Fate is treated the same no matter who his host is

Reaaaaaally?
Reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally?

Let's check that out.
Kent and Nabu are one version, okay?
Then we have Inza. Who never merged with Nabu's consciousness, except from that threesome when Kent was Fate.
Linda and Linda with Eric. Who never merged with Nabu's consciousness.
Hector. Who never merged with Nabu's consciousness.
Kent V. Who never merged with Nabu's consciousness.

Those all had the power (or part of it, because they never stuck around long) and occasionally Nabu as a guide to give them tips, without merging with them or controlling them.
Your Fate-fu is weak, user. Doctor Fate is only a merged/controlled being with Kent involved. In the other cases they have the power, but they're not exactly a host.

What the fuck are you on about?

You responded to the wrong person.

My point is, claiming, Fate is treated the same, no matter who the host is can't be exactly accurate, as only one of the Dr Fates can count as a host.

But you did it by talking about merging, which I said nothing about.

Anyway, okay, tell me more about that. Because Kent Nelson is the only one I’ve seen have an identity and skills outside of hosting Dr Fate as Lone Wolf.

So aside from him all of the other ones are at least treated the same from what I can tell. They don’t get a code name or do anything especially interesting aside from their association with Nabu. I wish this wasn’t the case because it’s such a waste of potential to me.

Please tell me I’m wrong

They are all called Doctor Fate. They just don't merge. And the most well written story is about two humans merging as Dr Fate with Nabu living as a pseudo mortal in Kent's mostly powerless corpse and chilling on their couch eating junk food and watching soap operas.
Then he stands up to Darkseid to protect them.
I am not joking.

*don't merge with Nabu's cosciousness

Yeah, that’s my point. Calling them all Dr Fate makes most, if not all of them, pointless. The only one that even remotely matters is Nelson. All of the words might as well be John/Jane Does from the Orange County morgue. The story would be exactly the same.

Eh, they have the powers, costume, tower and in most cases Nabu is there as a coach. It's okay to call them Dr Fate.

Yeah I know.
But I like characters who have their own identity, and I really dislike when characters have the same name.
I suppose that’s what I’m getting at here

The person having the helm earning the powers of Doctor Fate and thus the mantle isn't such a horrible idea, particularly as past fates sort of exist in the amulet of Anubis, fate remembers past universes/multiverses and at least two of the fates were very reincarnation focused. It fits.

No, I get that that’s what I’m saying.
I’m talking about the “hosts”.
They should have an identity outside of when they assume the powers of Dr Fate

Dr Fate itself is more like an entity, so i have no problem calling multiple that, such as when Zatarra becomes Fate.

Ah, you mean very few Fate's get focus on the non-fate parts of their life?
Kent, Inza have, definitely. Kent V was a psychiatrist and it played a big role both in his role as Fate and outside. Hector had the whole Lynda business. So, they kinda do. And his stuff with his Dad, Hawkman.

I guess what I mean is would they be on the Justice society (etc) roster without fate? And if not they should be.

Like I think Nelson would as Lone Wolf.
But, the others I feel like are just regular people. Maybe I think they haven’t had enough character development, I’m not exactly sure how to express this idea.

Would a GL be on the league without his ring?

>Can't have a Darkseid movie, he's a Thanos ripoff
>Can't have a Fate movie, he's a Strange ripoff

Is this suffering ever going to end?

Yes, most likely.
I don’t think that’s the same though

How can that be when DC has their own Dr Strange?

What? No, they wouldn't.

Yeah they would.

Highball, Darkstar, Warrior, etc. They’ve all gone beyond just their rings.

Are these names Hal, John, Guy and co took to perform other roles, with just gadgets and martial arts when they lost their rings, or names used by alien gls who lost their rings, but were still powerful since they were aliens?

The Human GLs.

I don’t think the alien GLs really get anything much beyond being another soldier.

Like I’m pretty sure Kilowag is just Kilowag but I’m not positive

So, they did no-power stuff without rings. Interesting.
Hector could, due to his hawkman relations. Kent V, maybe league therapist?

I’m not positive if it was no power, I’m no expert.

Well Hector is The Silver Scarab and Kent V could be Doctor Fate, Jr. I guess? Idk

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I think he's different enough that most people won't mind. Fate deals with themes of control, both with the Lords of Order and with Kent's dynamic with Nabu. It's all about a karmic balance where nothing can be allowed tip too far in either direction. Kent is basically thrusted into being Fate and loses complete control of his body for as long as Nabu needs it. On that topic, the feminine/maseuline dynamic explored in the eighties run can helo drive the point home and make for an interesting watch. You could even adapt what Matteis and the new JLDark run is doing where the Lords of Order say fuck it and decide to either help the universe end or let it die in order to bring about a new age of Order upon the rebirth of the universe. And also fuck you ladderbro, he came first.

Maybe the spotlight death.

Rude